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[Q] Nexus One --> Galaxy S ?

I realise there was a giant mad thread about this that just got closed and I'm not interested in reforming that here. I have a few questions and would like some discussion but not interested in arguments
1) Prices where you are?
Where I live (New Zealand) Nexus One cost about the same as the Galaxy S. I'm just wondering is the Nexus One regarded as a cheaper phone in America or where ever you live (I realise it's not sold anymore, but before they stopped selling it) and when I say cheaper I mean purely money wise, not feel or anything.
I ask this because I've seen the statement before: "Galaxy S is great but it's not worth the extra money from a Nexus" and just wondering if that's how it really is.
2) Gaming?
I'm curious as I see a lot of people here defending their Nexus One's over the Galaxy S and I understand the reasons they give however I have a feeling all the people that prefer their Nexus One's to any Galaxy S series phone don't use their phones for gaming much, if at all. Would this be correct?
I currently own a Nexus One and I have to be honest for gaming it really sucks. I was so excited for Gameboy & Playstation emulators and I can't play any kind of RPG or Action game on them that requires me to push more than 1 button at a time or it registers my fingers all over the place!
My Situation
Due to prices being what I believe to be a little backwards here I can sell my old Nexus One (with a couple of little marks around it, etc, basically it's just used) and buy a BRAND NEW 8GB Galaxy S and it would only cost me a maximum of $100 ($70 US) or if things work out well it'd cost me nothing at all. Which brings me to question 3...
3) Should I 'upgrade'?
I know a lot of people don't consider it an 'upgrade' however for me personally I consider it entirely worth it for the GPU & multitouch alone. I brought my Nexus One excited of the idea of multi touch gaming and am guttered at how virtually any emulated or 3d game performs on my N1 (I was totally unaware of the lack of multi-touch when I brought the phone)
Also I'm interested in any sort of discussion on reasons for/against switching to a Galaxy S but please no NEXUS ONE IS BEST DIE IPHONE FANBOY GALAXY IS CHEAP PLASTIC crap. I love my Nexus but I feel the Galaxy better suits me.

Ok. I was probably one of the ones who was arguing in the other thread but I didnt start it. I got bashed because I said the Galaxy is the better phone.
Anyways Im not going down that road again. Ive got both phones at this moment and if your into gaming I say go to the Galaxy. Is the galaxy a way better phone, no, But what it has is definetely a upgrade. Ive said it before and ill say it again. On the sgs I never have to check my memory worrying about if I got enough room to install a new app, I used to check daily on my n1. I never ever check memory as I still got over 1.2 gigs left and about 120 apps installed. Gaming, Im not to into gaming as Im a 27 year old man, but when I do Id like to be able to play them well, and On the n1 it was a total failure. Toon warz would wig out when you shoot and run at the same time and when you let go of shooting it will still be shooting because of the axis problem. Pinch to zoom alone even in the browser isnt even as close to the SGS.
The super amoled is way better than regular amoled and makes it look like a TFT screen.
Im not gonna go into more about how the sgs beats the n1 cause ive done that enough, so Ill answer your question.
Hell yes I am, the SGS is the better device, by a lot? No, but enough for me to upgrade. The MT alone is enough for a upgrade and you wanna play games? well the SGS has no problem playing toon warz. I need a top device that can multitouch, and the N1 will never, ever be able to play MT games well. Even the old Iphone2g had better MT screen than the n1. I actually laugh at people who think the N1 handles 3d games as well as the SGS. Just not gonna happen. Go on youtube and watch on Android.com I believe the benchmarks vs SGS against droid x, evo and n1, the dude even plays asphalt and even the Video maker says that the SGS blows it all away.
Im not dogging the n1 cause im keeping mine, its a great phone and a great developer phone, but if you want gaming or for movies, the n1 is just not the device for that. The SGS sounds more like its what your looking for, True MT, More responsive for games, bigger screen and Waaaay brighter.
SGS FTW....
No hating on me this time please. The n1 is great, but common, the SGS out Specs it in almost all departments.

1) Not from what I remember, I payed $530 out right for my Nexus when it came out, Most of the current galaxy s phones are currently going for cheap on Amazon and such. I think it was basically free with a 2 year last I saw.
2) The GalaxyS has a getter GPU then the Nexus One (and most of the snapdragon phones to be fair) so the GalaxyS would most definitely play games better then the Nexus One.
3) It appears that 3D gaming is important to you, and if thats what you want the the GalxS phones should work great for you. Also the CPU is a smidgin' better on the GalxS then on the Nexus.
Most people in the Nexus One forums including myself see anything that doesnt give the freedom like a dev phone is a downgrade. That is where the "its not an upgrade" thing is coming from. Because with the mod community you basically never have an old phone, you can always flash a new rom and be totally different from anyone else.
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If you want something for gaming i suggest waiting for a Tegra 2 tablet or if you dont like tablets LG is making some Tegra 2 Phones which will be super fast..or you can get the Milestone 2 when it comes out.

I don't for a second believe Samsung will put the requisite priority on upgrading the OS to the latest Android. I think it will get upgraded, unlike the Behold II, but I don't think it'll happen for MONTHS after phones like the N1. Also, Touchwiz is hideous and changing to ADW or LP doesn't help with the cartoonish icons.
That being said, I AM jealous of the screen, processor, and multitouch sensor... just not enough to put myself into what I know will be a very frustrating position in a few months.

Blueman101 said:
Most people in the Nexus One forums including myself see anything that doesnt give the freedom like a dev phone is a downgrade. That is where the "its not an upgrade" thing is coming from. Because with the mod community you basically never have an old phone, you can always flash a new rom and be totally different from anyone else.
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That's one thing I'll definitely miss however I'm an absolute sucker for interface and screens.
For example the physics bounce back in list menus on the Galaxy S! Such a simple thing but to me I see it as so important as it's something that you constantly encounter and I love the overall feel it gives to the device.
and I think anyone that has used it has to admit that the 4 inch screen is beautiful and I wasn't sure I would but after using it I think the 4inch is a great size (I'm thinking Droid X & EVO would be too big for me)
I'm sad to admit it but the iPhone still kicks Android's ass with its gestures and physics. I prefer Android in every other area of the OS but for example the Gallery and Web Browser in iPhone if you have a play with it you'll see what I mean with the pinch to zoom, it is really really nice to use. I always wished my Nexus had that and I'm glad to see Samsung took some steps towards getting that feel to Android (with the list bounce back etc.)
but back to my point. I love the developer side of my Nexus one and that we get new versions etc so early however I'm the sort of person that everytime I open the Gallery app I have to do a wee pinch on each photo just because I love gestures and multi touch so much or will unlock my phone just to look at the big screen and the live wallpaper with water rippling in my hand and I think thats why I feel so drawn to the Galaxy S with its giant bright screen and amazing GPU that can render that awesome Samsung live water wallpaper with ease (check it out if you haven't)

johnnie93 said:
If you want something for gaming i suggest waiting for a Tegra 2 tablet or if you dont like tablets LG is making some Tegra 2 Phones which will be super fast..or you can get the Milestone 2 when it comes out.
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I see what you're saying and I considered this as well however with my situation that I mentioned in the OP I currently have the opportunity to move to a Galaxy S with little or no cost, however when it comes to these next generation devices coming out later this year my Nexus will be worth a lot less and it will cost a lot more to upgrade to them.
I probably will buy a new device about mid way through next year and I will be willing to put more money into one then, however I don't want to (or mainly my girlfriend doesn't want me to ) put another few hundred into a phone in a few months time.

LevitateJay said:
That's one thing I'll definitely miss however I'm an absolute sucker for interface and screens.
For example the physics bounce back in list menus on the Galaxy S! Such a simple thing but to me I see it as so important as it's something that you constantly encounter and I love the overall feel it gives to the device.
and I think anyone that has used it has to admit that the 4 inch screen is beautiful and I wasn't sure I would but after using it I think the 4inch is a great size (I'm thinking Droid X & EVO would be too big for me)
I'm sad to admit it but the iPhone still kicks Android's ass with its gestures and physics. I prefer Android in every other area of the OS but for example the Gallery and Web Browser in iPhone if you have a play with it you'll see what I mean with the pinch to zoom, it is really really nice to use. I always wished my Nexus had that and I'm glad to see Samsung took some steps towards getting that feel to Android (with the list bounce back etc.)
but back to my point. I love the developer side of my Nexus one and that we get new versions etc so early however I'm the sort of person that everytime I open the Gallery app I have to do a wee pinch on each photo just because I love gestures and multi touch so much or will unlock my phone just to look at the big screen and the live wallpaper with water rippling in my hand and I think thats why I feel so drawn to the Galaxy S with its giant bright screen and amazing GPU that can render that awesome Samsung live water wallpaper with ease (check it out if you haven't)
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Pinch to peak is horrible on the n1. Funny thing is they added that while testing it on the n1. I guess they assumed no more clearpad 2000.
I love mt gestures as well. Feels futuristic.

Blueman101 said:
1) Not from what I remember, I payed $530 out right for my Nexus when it came out, Most of the current galaxy s phones are currently going for cheap on Amazon and such. I think it was basically free with a 2 year last I saw.
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I believe phones work different over there how you buy them on contract and get them cheaper etc.
Here you just buy whatever phone and put a sim card in it, be it 'pre-pay' or 'on account'. So all phones are 'unlocked'
Looking on Amazon Galaxy S phones are listed for 670 USD?
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Unlocked-Touchscreen-Slot-International-Warranty/dp/B003U2T57E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1283354829&sr=8-1

i am the owner of a nexus one. nearly all my phones have been from htc. i love the htc brand because of the community(xda). it is a fact everybody has to agree. an example the i5700 (comparable to the hero) but u can take a look yourself who got the better development... xperia x10 ...excellent hardware but no community support and they merely got root.
Is it an upgrade?
Hmmmm...arguable. Hardware- absolutely. the samsung i9000 is definetely an upgrade in terms of hardware but u have to keep in mind that it is 7 months newer than n1. both phones have their goods and bads. no phone is perfect. I said arguable because i am sure software wise that n1 is and will be superior. Most of us here like to flash roms, change builds..... this makes the difference (as i stated in the beginning).i do not think i9000 will get the support of this community. Just take a look at how many custom roms are present for i9000. Also at the end of the year , n1(google's developers phone) will definetely be gettting the gingerbread whereas the i9000 will be stuck on 2.2. remember that i9000 already got the upgrade from 2.1 to froyo ; so 2 upgrades for a phone is less likely. this is the policy of phones companies, instead of pushing an upgrade for the phone, they will release a new phone with gingerbread .
Is it worth?
i wont be upgrading the n1 until the 2gz or dualcore processors are out but It depends on u and ur means. Phones nowadays do not reign as a flsgship more than 3-4 months , maybe less. eg... desire hd will be out soon, then in Q2 2011, samsung is releasing a phone with 2gz processor with 1gb memory, ... android 4.0. If you have the money, ... ur choice.
My advice...
If you are so concerned about gaming, sincerely.. i would advise you to take an iphone. I myself would never buy and iphone (hate it cause i am flash addicted and i am not into games).We here at xda tend to critisize the iphones but i have to admit that it is the best at multimedia purposes mainly gaming....
You can upgrade to i9000 if u want but maybe i am wrong but the android market currently do not have many graphical games that would suit ur needs nd by the time these games get developed, then it will be time to reupgrade the phone... vicious circle!

Cyanogen Mod on Galaxy S
deeren said:
My advice...
If you are so concerned about gaming, sincerely.. i would advise you to take an iphone. I myself would never buy and iphone (hate it cause i am flash addicted and i am not into games).We here at xda tend to critisize the iphones but i have to admit that it is the best at multimedia purposes mainly gaming....
You can upgrade to i9000 if u want but maybe i am wrong but the android market currently do not have many graphical games that would suit ur needs nd by the time these games get developed, then it will be time to reupgrade the phone... vicious circle!
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I'm not entirely about gaming and I couldn't stand to buy an iPhone, many things about it disgust me. Such as a homescreen that is only an app draw!? How they deny flash, how they block countless applications, how I have to run iTunes to do anything.. argh I could go on forever. So iPhone is not for me, I love Android. As I said before however if it came down to it I think I like live backgrounds, multitouch gestures, large screens more than I like the development side... Very tough choice though.
[Q] Cyanogen Mod on Galaxy S
Also on another note I believe Galaxy S series is soon going to become a Cyanogen Mod supported device which pretty much means it'll get all the development I need am I right in assuming this??
I mean, hell it even brought 2.2 to the G1! So I can assume if Cyanogen does a version 7 for 3.0 and Galaxy S is a supported device that I could eventually see 3.0 through Cyanogen Mod if Samsung never decided to do an update?

This may help op. Even this dude wants to trade http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=cl4p5JI0-gQ

smashpunks said:
This may help op. Even this dude wants to trade http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=cl4p5JI0-gQ
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haha yeah I saw that video the other day. The GPU is amazing in the Galaxy S phones, definitely in a league of its own at the moment.

If your just going to use the phone as it is I would say galaxy s, but on the flip side if to want root and gear developer base be patient or go with the nexus 1.
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jonscapri said:
If your just going to use the phone as it is I would say galaxy s, but on the flip side if to want root and gear developer base be patient or go with the nexus 1.
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I'm not really that worried about Galaxy S development btw. There has been more than 2 million (I think it might be over 3?) sold already counting US & International version sales. Just two days ago when a test Froyo build got leaked the Galaxy S (international) development thread had over 1000 people viewing it. I think all the rom development (although there already are a few out atm) are waiting for Samsungs offical 2.2 which is coming out in a couple of weeks.

Galaxy TAB. Prob run same as the Galaxy S. Why go with 4" when you can have 7" screen. Wait and see tomorrow what the specs are going to be. Keep your n1 and wait for the TAB i say. I bought a captivate. Surely a great phone. I got frustrated with the development on the Captivate. I figured it will be that way. CM will be out but who knows when it will be released no word. I bet when a official froyo will be released they will release the CM6 as well. Gives them some time to work on it. If you really want to game and watch movie do it on a bigger screen. Why on a 4" screen. My n1 will hold up to what i need to do to survive a day without any laggs, glitch or whateva i throw at it. It runs like a champ. N1 will only be replaced by N1. Yeah not good for game but it will do everything else. So if you looking for a gamer type of phone, SGS is good to go but you will be without much development. Plus even with CM, i don't see ginerbread running on the SGS. My 2 cents.

LevitateJay said:
I'm not really that worried about Galaxy S development btw. There has been more than 2 million (I think it might be over 3?) sold already counting US & International version sales. Just two days ago when a test Froyo build got leaked the Galaxy S (international) development thread had over 1000 people viewing it. I think all the rom development (although there already are a few out atm) are waiting for Samsungs offical 2.2 which is coming out in a couple of weeks.
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Development will be just fine. Like you said, all 4 carriers and sold a lot so far. More people are on the sgs.
You wont regret it, I say go sgs ...

smashpunks said:
Development will be just fine. Like you said, all 4 carriers and sold a lot so far. More people are on the sgs.
You wont regret it, I say go sgs ...
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Dont be confused here, they are separate phones, each will require different roms. Do not make the mistake of counting all sgs phones in the same basket, as far as the mod community is concerned they are separate phones each require separately coded roms.

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Development will be just fine. Like you said, all 4 carriers and sold a lot so far. More people are on the sgs.
You wont regret it, I say go sgs ...
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Blueman101 said:
Dont be confused here, they are separate phones, each will require different roms. Do not make the mistake of counting all sgs phones in the same basket, as far as the mod community is concerned they are separate phones each require separately coded roms.
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Agreed!!!!! all galaxy s phones are not the same!
Also another point to be noted is that number of phones sold is not necessarily directly proportional to the development ...
e.g, 1. i guess that (like they say) nexus one is a flop in sales but however has had enormous activity in the development section.
2. Motorola milestone/droid had an enormous success in sales(also sold millions). but did it have the kind of development we are used to???
It all comes to whether Samsung will improve their security on the bootloader bla bla bla on their froyo upgrade. and depends whether the quality chefs are shifting to the sgs or not.

Blueman101 said:
Dont be confused here, they are separate phones, each will require different roms. Do not make the mistake of counting all sgs phones in the same basket, as far as the mod community is concerned they are separate phones each require separately coded roms.
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Correct, but they will be easy to cross mod since most the files and codes are alike, yes they will require different Roms and etc, but if the epic 4g can do something chances are the others can with a slightly different way.

Is it upsetting that the samsung is face of android?

I really don't ever see this changing because google will never take control of their product. But over the past few weeks I have been noticing that the only phones people really know about are the iphone and samsung s3. Like if i tell people about what a nexus is and why it's better they just look at me crazy like I'm trying to pitch them and I'm the one out of touch.
Google releases a 300 dollar phone that is hard to order, on half the carriers,lacks storage and LTE and they this is going to work. It makes me sick that touchwiz is the face of android. I wonder how google feels about this.

I don't really care much what stupid people think my phone's awsome, wooohooo
n7'd from my n7

Google releases a 300 dollar phone that is hard to order, on half the carriers,lacks storage and LTE and they this is going to work. It makes me sick that touchwiz is the face of android. I wonder how google feels about this.
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Google is new to the hardware market. Sure, they sold already 4 Nexus devices, but the Nexus One, Nexus S and Galaxy Nexus are developer / nerd / android lover devices and not a device for everyone like the Nexus 4.
Google made mistakes, though. Really bad mistaked. The ordering is bad, no 32 GB Nexus 4, Android 4.2 is bad and create weird issues. I hope a 4.2.1 update will come soon and fix the problems with my Nexus 4 (USB OTG, Random ANRs, Touchscreen Sensivity).

Samsung spent a ton on marketing. They deserve to get some fruit from their labors.
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Remember when HTC was the face of Android? Remember when Sense (not the Windows version) was first unveiled along with the HTC Hero? How about the Evo and it's massive (at the time) 4.3in screen? Samsung being in the spotlight now only pushes the other manufacturers to work harder on their new devices and marketing schemes. The other big Android companies will also get their time to shine at some point, but that's not what the Nexus line is about. The Nexus line is really built for Devs, people like us who frequent XDA, and for Google to set the standard for what OEMs should strive for.
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Nope.
Samsung have amazing build quality, some people don't like plastic but the build quality is second to none. The amount of sales and the few returns they have proves this and Apple don't choose Samsung to make the insides of their products because they suck.
Also TouchWiz is great, I don't see why people hate on it so much. Samsung make their phones easy to load new roms, they don't try to stop you from doing it like some. Also when I try to go back to stock Android after using TouchWiz.... I can't because stock Android, even 4.2 is missing so many amazing features. I mean the Note 2's Pen functionality and the PiP and multiple windows is worth TouchWiz alone.

Pointless thread - nothing to do with the Nexus 4
Should be in the Android forum
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About as much as I care that Microsoft is the face of the operating system market.
The general population can keep using what they want, there is always going to be power users who want to tweak and automate everything they can to work best for them.
I'll happily use my AOSP ROMs and Gentoo while the general population happily uses Touchwiz and Windows.

People need to stop saying that the Nexus line is for developers and geeks. That really hasn't been true for years now. That ended when carriers started selling Nexus branded phones in retail stores and online (pretty much since the Nexus S). The Galaxy Nexus was just some weird "Galaxy S II.5" phone offering the stock experience and the Nexus S was the precursor to the Galaxy S II.

This is the Nexus 4 General forum, for news, tips, guides, howtos, etc relating to LG & Google's Nexus 4.
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[Opinion] nexus 4 vs S4

the nexus 4 is a great device, and im sure the Galaxy S4 will be nice also.
I realize this is a Nexus 4 forum, but my question is this; is the s4 a worthy upgrade from the nexus 4?
please shout off below, and I will give thanks to those who deserve it.
and there is a poll up top
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I totally forgot about the HTC one XD
that device is also pretty slick (maybe) so also give opinions on that phone too maybe?
thanks!
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By the time S4 becomes available the N4 will be over 6months+ old; this is a long time in phone tech these days.
For me the performance improvement isn't enough considering the time gap; just wait another few months for the real next gen.

Just ask yourself one question. Can you live without timely updates? Also, cyanogenmod devs are not going to be buying the s4. If I can find the source I will post it.
Edit: http://m.androidcentral.com/cm-developers-passing-samsung-galaxy-s4-should-you
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meangreenie said:
By the time S4 becomes available the N4 will be over 6months+ old; this is a long time in phone tech these days.
For me the performance improvement isn't enough considering the time gap; just wait another few months for the real next gen.
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I feel you may be right, the s4 specs are good BUT there not anything spectacular. if anything its a minor update (in my opinion) to the S3.
how would you see the HTC One?

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Just ask yourself one question. Can you live without timely updates? Also, cyanogenmod devs are not going to be buying the s4. If I can find the source I will post it.
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ya i read that the other day on google currents (I have android central, android police, cult of android, and a few others on my feed)
Its a shame, but these companies noot to make unlocked bootloaders and easy to root, rom and flash
I dont do rooting or anything, but i understand the frustration from all you rooters...as I was with my verizon galaxy nexus

I haven't even rooted my n4. I've never been happier with a device.
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if you like buggy stock ROM´s, even more buggier custom ROM´s, missing source code, no original development ... go for the S4
I´ll stick to my N4

harecurtis said:
I feel you may be right, the s4 specs are good BUT there not anything spectacular. if anything its a minor update (in my opinion) to the S3.
how would you see the HTC One?
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Agreed it's not worth it at all, I had the S3 and I am never going back to plastic. The only thing I would get is the One, and that's if it gets S-OFFed. Honestly, I am 100% happy with this phone, I'll wait for the next nexus before I even consider anything else.
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Honestly I my self am not impressed with the new changes to the s4(meaning most of the "new" features could have been a software update on the s3). I've owned the entire galaxy line accept the note family and just switched to a nexus 4. Samsungs got a lot of bug issue within there phones as well as hardware issues Samsung has really began to become the iPhone of the android world honestly I would wait to see what Google has in the works in there upcoming press conference before making any decisions then you have the three to choose from being the HTC one s4 and maybe a Nexus 5. Coming from a previous Samsung user and the experience I've had with there products I would not go back and for me personally as well nothing beats stock android and always getting an update weather your phone is 2 years old or 2 months old. Well that's my 2 cents take it or leave it and have a blessed day.
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Samsung needs to stop trying to re-invent the wheel. They are are adding too much crap to the phones in the form of Samsung made social media crap, media players and other proprietary software.
If they don't add clean simple features then people will lose interest. When I bought my S3 I was fumbling around trying to find out how most of the new features worked, only to find it cumbersome and counter-intuitive. What good are features if you never use them?
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My Nexus 4 experience so far

Helloooo XDA!
I got my Nexus 4 on Wednesday and here is my thought...
IT SUCKS.
(got ya)
Nah let me be honest. I'm in love! This phone is just amazing.
From the performance to screen and design just a simple WOW!. My friends on school loved it. Saying it was unique because well nobody has this phone as it isn't been sold in the Netherlands. Of course I feel special :laugh:
I haven't rooted it yet. Sadly don't know how to do that. I did download some apps, games and put some music on it. while the 16GB might not be a lot, for me it is enough!.
Camera quality is amazing for me. Seeing I come from a Samsung star I might not see the difference that people do see with a S3 vs Nexus 4.
Simply amazing!

After reading ur post, I get a feeling that it is written by me lol. I am exactly in the same boat. The place where I work, there are around 3000 employees and not even a SINGLE one has a nexus 4. Definitely feels very special to have the latest and greatest of Andriod. People envy me.. they have said that themselves. I simply LOVE this phone. Teh camera for me is awesome. I love it.

I agree with both of you really is a good phone possible the best so far and I've had most couple of Iphones 3g/4s and HTC desire hd which was OK and a moto defy brilliant but most of my friends and work mates have iphones which I got them on to they won't look at any thing else shame on them they think i weird lol. the nexus 4 on jelly bean vanilla is best is I've used up to now and quality of the phone is spot on can not fault.
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Please use other threads. Closed.

No new N7 anytime soon. Or Android update.

I'm sure some of you watched the keynote live today. I wasted 3.5 hours of my life watching that keynote. No new N4,N7, or N10. Not even another Nexus Q. But they did announce a galaxy s4 nexus which I could really care less about. Oh yeah, and no new android either. 4.3 or 5.0. Pretty dissapointed. Just pitting the info here on good ol' xda.
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Oh some people really do make me laugh.
You already have a Nexus 7 which is still an amazing and powerful device. It's running on the latest Android OS available and yet you think your time has been wasted?
What about the time which was spent by everyone at Google who put that event together? They spent all that time and effort for people like you to still moan about things.
What is the world coming to?

Also hangouts app not working on nexus 7
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Google said this was going to be developer focused, and lots of important news came out from that side.
The new Galaxy S4 Nexus edition is pretty big news, in terms of what it could mean for the future of Android phones.
I'd rather wait and get a significant upgrade rather than have a half-arsed product be pushed out just so they have something to announce at the I/O (à la Apple)

kerneldev said:
Also hangouts app not working on nexus 7
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This.
Google, no Nexus 7v2, no 4.3. All no problem. But don't play silly on deciding which device gets Hangouts and which not.

There is still plenty of time left. Chill.
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BlackFire27 said:
I'm sure some of you watched the keynote live today. I wasted 3.5 hours of my life watching that keynote. No new N4,N7, or N10. Not even another Nexus Q. But they did announce a galaxy s4 nexus which I could really care less about. Oh yeah, and no new android either. 4.3 or 5.0. Pretty dissapointed. Just pitting the info here on good ol' xda.
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that blows. was looking forward to 4.3. This Google io was a lot more subdued

KidCarter93 said:
Oh some people really do make me laugh.
You already have a Nexus 7 which is still an amazing and powerful device. It's running on the latest Android OS available and yet you think your time has been wasted?
What about the time which was spent by everyone at Google who put that event together? They spent all that time and effort for people like you to still moan about things.
What is the world coming to?
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Yeah I love my n7 :c Ive just been waiting for so long to some sort of way to stop the senseless battery drain introduced with 4.2. Other than that I wasn't planning on upgrading anyways, but the io was still pretty dissapointing anyways :/ the pixel is cool though.
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TeamAlpha said:
Google said this was going to be developer focused, and lots of important news came out from that side.
The new Galaxy S4 Nexus edition is pretty big news, in terms of what it could mean for the future of Android phones.
I'd rather wait and get a significant upgrade rather than have a half-arsed product be pushed out just so they have something to announce at the I/O (à la Apple)
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All of what you say is true and respectable. But however a galaxy s4 with cyanogenmod is almost equivalent :/
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They probably want to have a separate event so that this news didn't get down played
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These type of rants really make me laugh.
I for one am happier that there is no new Nexus 7 or Nexus 4, because both of those devices still kick ass. Stop turning into such consumers. What you have is good enough. The day Google starts releasing the same device with a tiny upgrade with an S at the end of it, is when I'll leave for good.
4.2.2 does the job. Some people complain about lag but I've never had any. You're doing something wrong if you have terrible amounts of lag, or a faulty device. It's that simple. Also, if you're having problems with the device, such as with the battery and lag or whatever it may be, play around with it and fix it yourself. After all, that's why you bought a Nexus device, right?
The updates to Google Maps are massive and very important, as are the ones to Google Hangouts. Tons of work has gone into them. Learn to be a bit more appreciative. Even if some people did get what they wanted, they'd just likely want more two months later.
Please stop being ridiculous.

kerneldev said:
Also hangouts app not working on nexus 7
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I'm sure it's just a temporary glitch. For now, get the apk from the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2280184

N7.2 is needed to keep up with the performance of the N4. Now an N4 owner has settle for a tablet that is slower and lower PPI than the phone, or bump up to the N10 and accept the added bulk & weight.
Hoping for an N7.2 doesn't mean the N7.1 is not still a great device. What could be bad about getting an N7.2 with better specs for the same price as the N7.1?

I just wanted a new Android version (4.3, 4.2.3, whatever) so it would fix the issue with Nexus 4 wifi falling asleep and doesn't get notifications in time or able to answer wifi VoIP calls. It's a known issue since november 2012, and still not fixed in 4.2.2!
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=42272

Well for me, I have a N7 but I will be probably be forced to hand it over at the end of the month.
So I'll be a new buyer. If the N7 isn't announced then I'll be forced to wait or buy last years tablet again. It has to be close because we all know Apple will update their mini this year.
I agree the N7 is a great device. I just don't want to spend $200ish on a tablet and a better one come out a month later for the same price.
Ahh I was really hoping. I even did my ritual Android dance before work today.
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I am just sick of my Nexus 7 being laggy. I really feel like 4.2 was some cobbled together kang of 4.1 that they beefed up with a ton of features and rushed it out to the nexus devices so they could have a new version of android for the nexus 4 and 10 announcement. Granted with my 4's dramatically better hardware, I don't notice any lag at all, but it killed my Nexus 7. I've tried several roms and kernels too and it's still laggy, worst when it's resyncing from sleep. Google now can be virtually unusable at times on it too, with my keyboard taking forever to appear and then the screen not registering my inputs on it.
I understand for fragmentation purposes it might be the right thing to focus on play store updates, and core google apps and services as well as developer tools to give everyone who buys an android device a great experience. But if they are done updating android for a while, they gotta at least fix 4.2. It's the buggiest version of android since honeycomb!
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BlackFire27 said:
I'm sure some of you watched the keynote live today. I wasted 3.5 hours of my life watching that keynote. No new N4,N7, or N10. Not even another Nexus Q. But they did announce a galaxy s4 nexus which I could really care less about. Oh yeah, and no new android either. 4.3 or 5.0. Pretty dissapointed. Just pitting the info here on good ol' xda.
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Yet.
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Cor-master said:
I am just sick of my Nexus 7 being laggy. I really feel like 4.2 was some cobbled together kang of 4.1 that they beefed up with a ton of features and rushed it out to the nexus devices so they could have a new version of android for the nexus 4 and 10 announcement. Granted with my 4's dramatically better hardware, I don't notice any lag at all, but it killed my Nexus 7. I've tried several roms and kernels too and it's still laggy, worst when it's resyncing from sleep. Google now can be virtually unusable at times on it too, with my keyboard taking forever to appear and then the screen not registering my inputs on it.
I understand for fragmentation purposes it might be the right thing to focus on play store updates, and core google apps and services as well as developer tools to give everyone who buys an android device a great experience. But if they are done updating android for a while, they gotta at least fix 4.2. It's the buggiest version of android since honeycomb!
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Have you tried any of the custom ROMs made for the Nexus 7? I've been extremely happy with SmoothROM.

KidCarter93 said:
Oh some people really do make me laugh.
You already have a Nexus 7 which is still an amazing and powerful device. It's running on the latest Android OS available and yet you think your time has been wasted?
What about the time which was spent by everyone at Google who put that event together? They spent all that time and effort for people like you to still moan about things.
What is the world coming to?
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Not for me. The nexus lags like hell with horrid gpu rendering. I wanted that updated spec nexus 7. Google io sucked this year. I assume we will get less android updates now to limit fragmentation. I think 4.3 was nothing but a rumor and they are at least working on key lime.
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okEric said:
Have you tried any of the custom ROMs made for the Nexus 7? I've been extremely happy with SmoothROM.
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All of the custom roms and.kernels have lag for me. This is my 2nd nexus 7 to. This thing needs a quad core + 2gb of ram.

Would everyone rather have Google be like Apple and introduce products MINOR changes to devices and throw on a "S" to the name or come out with new innovation? This years I/O was not a disappointment. Its not all about the "products".
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