Dear All
I want activation non SIM for SV910 use CDMA 2000 1x and namming program.Pls thanks
What does this even mean?
Haro912 said:
What does this even mean?
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Lol my thoughts exactly!
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Haro912 said:
What does this even mean?
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I got a Viagra ad in my spam folder that was phrased similar to this, some things just get lost in translation...
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luuvien2003 said:
Dear All
I want activation non SIM for SV910 use CDMA 2000 1x and namming program.Pls thanks
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So, you have a VS910 that isn't active and want to use your CDMA2000 modem to access wireless networks without a Verizon Sim card?
VS910 4G (Revolt 1.5)
I like Trampled's first reply better!!! Lol
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luuvien2003 said:
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I want activation non SIM for SV910 use CDMA 2000 1x and namming program.Pls thanks
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You can't. You cannot use the phone with out the sim card. You cannot get into the phone with out a working activated sim, or my phone would not go further, which you need to do to get in and root and CM the phone which would be the only way you might be able to circumvent the activation.
Or that is my understanding of the process.
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You can't. You cannot use the phone with out the sim card. You cannot get into the phone with out a working activated sim, or my phone would not go further, which you need to do to get in and root and CM the phone which would be the only way you might be able to circumvent the activation.
Or that is my understanding of the process.
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I'd be curious... Once I am "done" with this phone, will it still operate as a PDA, or is Verizon ensuring it will reach the recycle bin by locking us out?
Ooh pda that sounds hot! Jk but seriously I had a issue with my Sim and it wouldn't let me post the please insert Sim card and reboot screen running revolt 1.5 but maybe some more modding could fix that.
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Beamer9408 said:
Ooh pda that sounds hot! Jk but seriously I had a issue with my Sim and it wouldn't let me post the please insert Sim card and reboot screen running revolt 1.5 but maybe some more modding could fix that.
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Public displays of affection can be hot! But particularly what I'd be interested in is when I'm done if it becomes a brick or a media device.
does anybody knows how to flash a verizon lg lucid 4g lte to page plus? or does anybody knows the manual programing or any hidden menu code?
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or if some one has the right prl to make it work
There was someone claiming to be able to do that with a Revolution 4g may want to search forums
LG lucid on PP
kaspson said:
does anybody knows how to flash a verizon lg lucid 4g lte to page plus? or does anybody knows the manual programing or any hidden menu code?
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or if some one has the right prl to make it work
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It's possible using CDMA Workshop latest version ... About the PRL ... search for 51765.prl or pageplus.prl you should be able to get it. You tube should be able to give you some quick guidelines on how to accomplish this task.
Good luck
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I know that Verizon uses the non SIM card format...CDMA?
I am on T mobile and have a relative that wants to give me his original Droid. My question is if it is possible or not to unlock a droid and put it on T-mobile?
Id appreciate any help. thanks!
gorealmighty said:
I know that Verizon uses the non SIM card format...CDMA?
I am on T mobile and have a relative that wants to give me his original Droid. My question is if it is possible or not to unlock a droid and put it on T-mobile?
Id appreciate any help. thanks!
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Different radio band with,you can't make it run on the different frequency otherwise people would be using Sprint phone's or ATT phone's on Verizon, or visa-versa all the time. Networks install different radio bandwidths in the devices so you can use a phone that they can guarantee you have a signal depending on their coverage area. Not sure but pretty safe to say here to achieve that in a device made specificly for Verizon not gonna be possible. Correct me if I'm wrong by all means but haven't seen anyone do that yet.
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Definitely why I asked imma keep fishing though, I want a %100 guarantee, know what I mean? Unless it comes down to an absolute hardware issue.
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I've seen someone with the signature "sent from my Verizon powered evo 4G" I forget who it was and never asked then how they did it.
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Definitely why I asked imma keep fishing though, I want a %100 guarantee, know what I mean? Unless it comes down to an absolute hardware issue.
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It's simply not possible. The radio frequencies of a GSM network (AT&T, T-Mobile) cannot be detected by the antennas of a CDMA phone (Verizon, Sprint, cricKet) without hardware modification among other things. It's like expecting to get 4G out of a 3G phone; not to mention the network encryption and MID issues.
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I've seen someone with the signature "sent from my Verizon powered evo 4G" I forget who it was and never asked then how they did it.
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This dude was probably out-of-country or straight-up lying. I've seen this a lot on XDA.
SOURCE: I used to work for Sprint.
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It's simply not possible. The radio frequencies of a GSM network (AT&T, T-Mobile) cannot be detected by the antennas of a CDMA phone (Verizon, Sprint, cricKet) without hardware modification among other things. It's like expecting to get 4G out of a 3G phone; not to mention the network encryption and MID issues.
This dude was probably out-of-country or straight-up lying. I've seen this a lot on XDA.
SOURCE: I used to work for Sprint.
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To my reply lol. Nice source
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The answer is NO.
The Motorola Droid can't even accept a SIM card. It's useless to you.
i got a droid bionic im trying to flash to metropcs im hope someone can help with sim in phone i can not write too the phone if i pull sim out i can write to the phone butt the meid is wrong pls help
update if i connect to cdma workshop and change from ruim only to nv only i can write it all sticks but meid show as what is the the imei (this phone has meid and pesn and imei)
I don't believe its possible.. I tried and ended w/ failure. I believe the bionic requires a sim and the sim is what gives it its programming, w.o the sim the bionic wont work...
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I don't believe its possible.. I tried and ended w/ failure. I believe the bionic requires a sim and the sim is what gives it its programming, w.o the sim the bionic wont work...
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im pretty sure it is possible i know a dude that say he does them but wont tell me how he wants 100 dollars yes the sim has the progrmming but if you connect to cdma workshop change from ruim only to nv only
you can program everything and write prl but in nv only the meid wrong this phone has meid pesn and imei in nv only meid shows as wat is really the imei and esn is different in nv only oh and if you take the sim out before you program it has no signal but after you write prl it does get signal i can dial out and all and when i program everything sticks my problems is i dont know how to get it on metropcs network the meid is not really a meid number its 990000832785887
I didn't think of changing it to nv, let me look into that meid, I've seen a weird meid on a previous phone I cloned, I wonder if its similar..
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I can't seem to find my bionic box but did you check to see if on the side of the box or bottom where the serial is if it has a meid or esn? Where the barcode is.
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I can't seem to find my bionic box but did you check to see if on the side of the box or bottom where the serial is if it has a meid or esn? Where the barcode is.
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box only shows imei that 990000 number but with sim in and in ruim only cdma shows normal meid dont remember the whole number but it starts with 2701 like normal and in nv only i do have an esn is it possible to add esn to metro instead of meid
I'll send you a pm how to get the esn on metro, I don't wanna people having a fit over the method lol
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anyone else got any suggestions
It is possible to chang the prl however getting the esn into metropcs system is going to b the real trick how to....
iwas able to to semi flash the bionic but wasn't able to get the esn into metro's system
GdsSrv said:
It is possible to chang the prl however getting the esn into metropcs system is going to b the real trick how to....
iwas able to to semi flash the bionic but wasn't able to get the esn into metro's system
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prl and programming is no prob i can fully flash it just cant add it to meteopcs
I have no problem doing a full flash on Thunderbolt with 3g and another lte phone.
But I look everywhere and can't find a way to add the Bionic esn to metropcs. I need help on this one too.
if you can't write it here due to some user making a fuss, can you pm me or guilde me to the right place?
I pmed you and everyone else that pmed me i, apologize for such a late response, haven't logged on in a while
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No offense but why do people want to take nice phones and gimp them on MetroPCS? The service is garbage. If you want prepaid, then get it flashed to PagePlus if anything (many times you don't even need to flash anything, it will just work after activating and programming OTA). There are a couple decent phones on Metro (LG Connect or LG Esteem, namely), it's easier (and probably cheaper) than getting a Verizon phone finally working on their network properly.
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No offense but why do people want to take nice phones and gimp them on MetroPCS? The service is garbage. If you want prepaid, then get it flashed to PagePlus if anything (many times you don't even need to flash anything, it will just work after activating and programming OTA). There are a couple decent phones on Metro (LG Connect or LG Esteem, namely), it's easier (and probably cheaper) than getting a Verizon phone finally working on their network properly.
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Well from previously working for MetroPCS, i can honesty say there are some area other carriers don't have any service in that metro does because they have their own towers, and if there in MetroPCS 3g coverage then i don't see how they would "gimp" there phone plus if they wanna pay 1/3 of there monthly price on Verizon i don't see why not..
An alternative people could use is unlocking there bionic and use a prepaid gsm carrier like simple mobile.
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Simple Mobile is also pretty terrible (I am a Simple Mobile dealer myself). Does Metro even actually have 3G? I remember when their 4G LTE started (which from my testing is slower than Sprint's 3G coverage), they only had 1x and 4G, but no 3G.
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Simple Mobile is also pretty terrible (I am a Simple Mobile dealer myself). Does Metro even actually have 3G? I remember when their 4G LTE started (which from my testing is slower than Sprint's 3G coverage), they only had 1x and 4G, but no 3G.
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Yea they've put 3g up almost everywhere they have coverage. They used to only have 1x which was terrible
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Haze69 said:
I pmed you and everyone else that pmed me i, apologize for such a late response, haven't logged on in a while
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Have u or anyone got anywhere with this bionic issue not sure who u meant u pmed but I'm still stuck on this
oakieville said:
Have u or anyone got anywhere with this bionic issue not sure who u meant u pmed but I'm still stuck on this
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What issue are you having?
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What issue are you having?
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can't add or change meid
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can't add or change meid
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Hello, I am doing this for a family member and need help with this...I got the talk and text done and working but no data...Has anyone achived to get atleast a 1x out of the D4? If so can you tell me what im doing wrong? i'm not a noob at this...I have done the EVO 4G and various other phones w/talk/text/web all working... But cant get the web working at all with the D4...Thanks in advance.
Im not sure what changes are made to 4g phones so they can work with Pageplus.
I wonder if Beigephone.com can flash it for u.
Yeah I got it running on page plus but can't figure out the data,switched sim to 3g and disabled LTE detection aswell
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What have you done so far?
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What have you done so far?
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So far I've only gotten talk and text working...I tried putting the settings in and all but no 1x,edge,or 3g
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I know, but how?
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Do you have the lte sim installed I flashed one to ntelos and 3g wouldn't work without the sim card
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vdub804 said:
Do you have the lte sim installed I flashed one to ntelos and 3g wouldn't work without the sim card
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Yes sim is installed
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Anyone got a write up on how to flash These? I was able to flash me OG DROID to cricket but I don't know how to do these 4G phones
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I was under the impression that the Verizon LTE phones had their CDMA authentication modified to use the SIM card for authentication as opposed to the IMEI as in non LTE phones. They also modified their 3G network to use SIM based authentication for 3G data as opposed to IMEI. If this is true it would prevent you from accessing the 3G CDMA based data network because the phone would be passing SIM based authentication for data and the network was expecting IMEI based authentication. In theory you could flash a different radio firmware if you can find it to correct this... but currently as Verizon is the only carrier of this phone I do not believe there are any alternative radio firmwares available. Community....please correct me if i am wrong but this is my understanding.
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I was under the impression that the Verizon LTE phones had their CDMA authentication modified to use the SIM card for authentication as opposed to the IMEI as in non LTE phones. They also modified their 3G network to use SIM based authentication for 3G data as opposed to IMEI. If this is true it would prevent you from accessing the 3G CDMA based data network because the phone would be passing SIM based authentication for data and the network was expecting IMEI based authentication. In theory you could flash a different radio firmware if you can find it to correct this... but currently as Verizon is the only carrier of this phone I do not believe there are any alternative radio firmwares available. Community....please correct me if i am wrong but this is my understanding.
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That's what I thought too that's why I haven't even tried flashing mine
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CreepyE said:
That's what I thought too that's why I haven't even tried flashing mine
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Its totally possible to reflash it and NOT have to use a sim card..... a few nights ago i was able to disable RUIM support and then i installed a sprint and cricket prl sucessfully.
However *228 is blocked in the OS :/
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Its totally possible to reflash it and NOT have to use a sim card..... a few nights ago i was able to disable RUIM support and then i installed a sprint and cricket prl sucessfully.
However *228 is blocked in the OS :/
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Did you get data working?
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No, BUT i dont have a sprint or cricket account i could put the phone on so i couldn't try it.
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No, BUT i dont have a sprint or cricket account i could put the phone on so i couldn't try it.
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How did you disable ruim?
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You can use QPST to set it to NV only.
You can attempt to use QPST, however it would not accept the change. I did it using cdma workshop 2.7
jnc8651 said:
You can attempt to use QPST, however it would not accept the change. I did it using cdma workshop 2.7
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ill give it a shot and report back when I get the phone back
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You can use QPST to set it to NV only.
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the droid razr and droid 4 are basicly exactly the same phone. I used the info in this post (and the links in post #5) to switch my droid 4 over to pageplus. I have had 3g data, MMS and talk all working fine for a couple months now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1530160
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Is everything the same on the Droid 4? I'll pay somebody to do it for me! I'll pay to ship the phone or whatever. I never have too great of luck with the CDMA Workshop or QPST. I DO know how to access the User activation and everything on the phone with the ##PROGRAM then press send and put in the 000000. Any help would be greatly appreciated from anybody. I just got my Droid 4 in the mail today and called Page Plus to activate only to have them tell me LTE couldnt be flashed to Page Plus. What if I called them and used the IMEI and dropped off the last number? Would that work if I just called them and gave them that? HELP! LOL!
matthewjohnunderwood said:
the droid razr and droid 4 are basicly exactly the same phone. I used the info in this post (and the links in post #5) to switch my droid 4 over to pageplus. I have had 3g data, MMS and talk all working fine for a couple months now.
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My mom's Sprint Motorola Nexus 6 has issues with the Airave at our house, which I'm used to. Where we live is a no-service-zone for Sprint (rural Maine) so we have an Airave signal booster. I know that the PRL has to be updated to get any new phones to see the Airave, but I've updated the PRL several times, and it will usually see the Airave and connect for a day or so, then disconnect randomly and require a PRL update. Anyone have any idea of what's causing the phone to forget/change the PRL? thanks
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My mom's Sprint Motorola Nexus 6 has issues with the Airave at our house, which I'm used to. Where we live is a no-service-zone for Sprint (rural Maine) so we have an Airave signal booster. I know that the PRL has to be updated to get any new phones to see the Airave, but I've updated the PRL several times, and it will usually see the Airave and connect for a day or so, then disconnect randomly and require a PRL update. Anyone have any idea of what's causing the phone to forget/change the PRL? thanks
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When connected to airave, set to 3g only on your Nexus.
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When connected to airave, set to 3g only on your Nexus.
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Ah okay thanks! I'll have her try that tonight.
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official.xian said:
Ah okay thanks! I'll have her try that tonight.
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No problem. There has been a recent PRL update too. Version 55025.
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No problem. There has been a recent PRL update too. Version 55025.
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Okay, what's the easiest way to check the PRL version?
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official.xian said:
Okay, what's the easiest way to check the PRL version?
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Settings>about phone>status>IMEI information
Hi ,
I am on stock rooted , gsm unlocked zv6.
Currently using on gsm networks with 3g.
All is well but I wish to activate the gsm lte option , can you guys kindly guide me how can I do that .
I am using my g4 outside of the US
Thanks in advance
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lord dredd said:
Hi ,
I am on stock rooted , gsm unlocked zv6.
Currently using on gsm networks with 3g.
All is well but I wish to activate the gsm lte option , can you guys kindly guide me how can I do that .
I am using my g4 outside of the US
Thanks in advance
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I did build prop edit. Ro.carrier from SPR to OPEN
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After that under more options near mobile data in settings u should then be able to select gsm/cdma/lte auto
TheMadScientist420 said:
I did build prop edit. Ro.carrier from SPR to OPEN
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After that under more options near mobile data in settings u should then be able to select gsm/cdma/lte auto
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Thanks
But after doing the build prop edits still no change
Any other ideas?????
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lord dredd said:
Thanks
But after doing the build prop edits still no change
Any other ideas?????
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thats all it took for me. so i dont. is it u just aint connecting to lte or somethin else.
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thats all it took for me. so i dont. is it u just aint connecting to lte or somethin else.
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Yep while selecting networks, I am getting only gsm/wcdma
No lte with them
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lord dredd said:
Yep while selecting networks, I am getting only gsm/wcdma
No lte with them
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only other thing i could suggest is double checking your apn setting i had to use a updated one once i unlocked didnt work at all for me at first
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only other thing i could suggest is double checking your apn setting i had to use a updated one once i unlocked didnt work at all for me at first
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Thanks again mate
But to turn lte on I should have the gsm/wcdma/lte option to select. Who h aint there in my phone in current t state
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Wow mine wasnt either but when i did the prop edit it showed uplet me look and make sure it was the rite build prop
Ro.build.target_opperator. From SPR to OPEN. SORRY MAN WRONG ONE
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Wow mine wasnt either but when i did the prop edit it showed uplet me look and make sure it was the rite build prop
Ro.build.target_opperator. From SPR to OPEN. SORRY MAN WRONG ONE
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LOL. Now we are talking
Yep the option is there and lets see if my service provider also supports the lte bands of this phone
Thanks a bunch mate
Tc
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lord dredd said:
LOL. Now we are talking
Yep the option is there and lets see if my service provider also supports the lte bands of this phone
Thanks a bunch mate
Tc
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No prob been a while scince i done it. And i thought it was weird it didnt work lol. Now if its a stock rom or any flashtool ule have to do it again.
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No prob been a while scince i done it. And i thought it was weird it didnt work lol. Now if its a stock rom or any flashtool ule have to do it again.
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Got it
I am on stock rooted zv6
Have no plans to update and flash another rom as I feel LG stock ones are good
Btw did you other that the wifi, data, and signal bar icons gets changed after build prop edit, no more spark ones just the usual kitkat like icons now.
Doesn't matter for me really.
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Yea the icons change no lte icon should be a h+ or i got just a 4g icon. U can change from open for instance to att and ule get the att icons.
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Also if ure rooted and got exposed u can now run android theme engine. When build props on spr. Icon changers dont work when it open icons and nav buttons can be modded with android theme engine. Its in the download section of exposed. My navbar is off a windows phone diffrent sig icon and pot leaves for wifi
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LOL. Now we are talking
Yep the option is there and lets see if my service provider also supports the lte bands of this phone
Thanks a bunch mate
Tc
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Does your carrier support lte. The suspense is killing me
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Does your carrier support lte. The suspense is killing me
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Yes they do but they are yet to rollout the 4g or lte in my area, I am just preparing for that, let's see if they ll operate lte on the same bands as the ones I this phone.
Thanks a lot for all the suggestions and help
Will update you by the end of this month, that's the time when they are gonna roll out the lte
Btw did you notice, once you set it to OPEN the call settings crashes always.
And the best thing is you get genuine 2g 3g 4g icons with the build prop edit. Sprint is known to be such a PITA as their network keeps showing a fake 3g icon even if you are on 1x,
For me that's a big relief with gsm ans these OPEN icons
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Lol edit. I didnt ever notice. Shows how much i play in them. I had. A g2 on sprint i opened gsm and let me tell you. When u switch to open. Loads of bugs. Thats part of why we need a ul bootloader. Cloudy fa rom justins rom and a straight tmobile rom unlocked g2 with no bugs. My problem is ive bought 4 or 5 phones since ive had this horrible thing. But in the end the g4 runs better. Heck i was runnin a ps1 and ps2 emulator last nite and man if it dont run great. Neither of them were lagging. I even got my ps3 control to link to the g4. I gave up a gs5 active but there was absolutly no root or anything on it. Shoulda kept the g4 stylus. It was pretty ritecheous but oh well