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But i rooted my N1, but i am completely happy with the way it is now and i dont want to flash a custom rom on it, so what can i really do now, for instance would i be able to install wired tether and have it work? or do i need to install a custom rom for that
I am just wondering if there is any benefit of your the N1 so far without having to flash a custom rom
yes, you should be able to install wired and wifi tether. but i would suggest giving other roms a shot, if you dont like it. just do a nand restore
can you still install apps2sd with no custom rom?
also newb question. doesn installing a custom rom after root give a noticable perfomance boost? like feeing up more ram and rom as well?
most custom roms have the himem enabled, so that will double the available ram for you to use. and apps2sd only works well with the custom rom they came with
i am running cyanogen, and it works really well, better than stock for sure.
But when you go to the download page of wired tethered it says i need a rdnis enabled kernel and i dont think the nexus one comes stock with it, but thats mainly just a guess not an actual fact of knowledge
I don't blame you the N1 already performs great even when it's stock, but since you're already rooted, I suggest you flash Amon's recovery, do a nandroid back up, and try out the available ROMs, you will get everything the stock ROM has and A LOT more, it gives you more memory, speed boost, battery savings, and the option to save aps to SD. If you aren't happy with it you can always restore it.
I'm running Enomther's ROM right now, and trust me you wont get disappointed.
Good Luck!
michaelo147 said:
But i rooted my N1, but i am completely happy with the way it is now and i dont want to flash a custom rom on it, so what can i really do now, for instance would i be able to install wired tether and have it work? or do i need to install a custom rom for that
I am just wondering if there is any benefit of your the N1 so far without having to flash a custom rom
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sorry another question.
If i decide to root. could i backup all my current apps and recover them once i root. I have mybackup pro and will i be able to just run restore apps in a custom rom with mybackup pro?
And with rooted phones, all over the air updates by google must be manually installed right? instead of ota right?
I'm not sure how backup pro works but I think it'll restore your aps coz that's what its for also when you flash a new ROM, the first time you open your downloads list from the market, all the apps you have installed from your previous ROM will be available for download. Note that this only works the first time you open market, so make sure you don't exit the market until your done installing all, or you won't see them again.
Yes you wont get OTA updates when you're rooted, but this is not a big deal since the devs update their ROM as soon as Google releases an update, often, they even get the leaked versions and incorporate it in their ROMs, so you'll be running the updated version of the N1 way before the stock N1's get it.
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sorry another question.
If i decide to root. could i backup all my current apps and recover them once i root. I have mybackup pro and will i be able to just run restore apps in a custom rom with mybackup pro?
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GuerillaZhou said:
yes, you should be able to install wired and wifi tether. but i would suggest giving other roms a shot, if you dont like it. just do a nand restore
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This is actually incorrect. The kernal needs to be updated to be able to use ether of the tethering apps. With the stock rom, there isn't much you can do with a rooted phone. In fact, its almost a waste to root unless your going to run a custom ROM. I use and trust Enomther's ROM's. VERY stable and capable of using tether apps, apps2sd, has the hacked kernal that allows the full use of the 512Mb of RAM etc. etc. Check it out here.
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I'm not sure how backup pro works but I think it'll restore your aps coz that's what its for also when you flash a new ROM, the first time you open your downloads list from the market, all the apps you have installed from your previous ROM will be available for download. Note that this only works the first time you open market, so make sure you don't exit the market until your done installing all, or you won't see them again.
Yes you wont get OTA updates when you're rooted, but this is not a big deal since the devs update their ROM as soon as Google releases an update, often, they even get the leaked versions and incorporate it in their ROMs, so you'll be running the updated version of the N1 way before the stock N1's get it.
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thanks alot man.
inhuman5000 said:
sorry another question.
If i decide to root. could i backup all my current apps and recover them once i root. I have mybackup pro and will i be able to just run restore apps in a custom rom with mybackup pro?
And with rooted phones, all over the air updates by google must be manually installed right? instead of ota right?
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Not sure about backup pro, but I think it should do what you need... atleast thats what ppl have said... i personally never used it..
Most cooked ROMs disable OTA updates... but if u hv stock rooted, you will get the OTA updates, but it'll most likely disable root if a new boot image is part of the OTA...
Daily people post about this. Why un-lock the bootloader (thus VOIDING your warranty) to keep a stock rom? Makes absolutely no sense. Cyanogen and Emon are trusted people that WILL NOT RELEASE ANYTHING THAT WILL BLOW UP YOUR PHONE!! There is a disclaimer for idiots that may not pay attention. If you follow directions you will never have a problem. If you end up with a problem (bootloop or alot of FCs) hop on #cyanogenmod on freenode IRC. Those guys are always willing to help you through problems, Even noobs usually.
Hardware defects will happen on stock just as they will custom ROMs. So don't waste your time un-locking, if you don't plan on running a custom ROM.
YOU CAN'T BRICK YOUR PHONE FLASHING CyanogenMOD/Emon ROMS!!! ONLY RADIOS AND SPL's!!!!!!!!
dude chill there questions i rooted my g1 and i thought it was a fun experience and i just bought a nexus one and i wanted to see if i could root it, but i really enjoy the way my nexus one runs now, its all i wanted to know
Ok, so after having a long battle in my head about whether I should buy the iPhone 4 or the Captivate, I decided to go on ahead and buy the captivate.
I recently found out about something called "rooting" and have been reading up about it for the past few days.
I learned that people like to root especially for tethering and installing android rom updates that have not been released yet by their carriers. However, I would probably NOT use tethering because I am planning to get the $15 per month, 200mb per month, data plan.
I have installed custom Roms before on my Sony Xperia X1, so I know the general risks of installing them. However, I am new to android, and I have a few questions about rooting.
What exactly does rooting allow you to do?
I remember reading that you must root your phone in order to sideload apps (install non-market apps, right?). This was the main reason I wanted to root. However, I found this : http[:]//www[.]androidcentral[.]com/sideload-android-apps-all-you-want-sideload-wonder-machine (sorry, can't post links yet)
This program seems to solve that problem.
Next, I want to be able to install themes, like Launcher Pro especially. Is it possible to do this without rooting by sideloading the app or must I root my phone?
Third, I know that another great advantage of rooting your phone is that you can overclock to 1.2 GHZ. Does this feature really give you that much of a power boost? Also, does it, in any way, decrease your device's lifespan? If so, is it worth it?
I don't really mind the at&t bloatware, and their censorship of the market is easily passed by turning on wifi and putting your phone in airplane mode (I think).
Now, let's say that I DO decide to root my phone. If I do, I would use the "1 click to root" program, in order to minimize the risk of bricking.
Once I root my phone, I would probably go ahead and install this : http[:]//forum.xda-developers[.]com/showthread.php?t=751934
However, there are two things I am confused about: How do I make a nandroid backup so that I may restore my phone to stock and then unroot it after installing a custom rom? Also, what the hell is "odin"?
Thanks in advance, guys.
Root is a linux term, or a unix term. On older systems the root user is like the admin in windows. On some modern distributions you can't log in as root but can use the root permissions with use of a root password and a sudo command (super user do). so the term super user and root are interchangeable.
To root your phone grants you root permissions via an app that grants or denies permissions to individual apps, no password required. By adding a terminal interface you can do nearly anything that can be done on a pc with linux. It is needed for many mods and having it and knowing what to do with it can be very satisfying.
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Odin is a computer application to re flash your phone. Most mods can be done on a captivate without it but get it just in case you do something stupid! I did!
The overclock is pretty safe. It doesn't really hinder battery life much because if it goes to full speed it gets the task done faster so its back to being throttled sooner. Its stock voltage and there is likely more to come with over and under voltages. The hummingbird has a bit more potential than that. That said the phone runs great without it.
I believe a nandroid backup can be done in clockwork recovery. And my phone didn't need to side loss launcher pro. I was already rooted but I don't think root is needed either. The search on the marker doesn't always find it. Also try adw. And do the lag fix. To see what your phone can really do in quadrant.
I used the over clock with unleash the beast and the lag fix, then I set a replacement lockscreen wrong and locked up my phone, I decided to reflash it. Now I use SRE and the lag fix. But it doesn't include the wireless teather app that comes with unleash the beast.
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NeoXer0 said:
Ok, so after having a long battle in my head about whether I should buy the iPhone 4 or the Captivate, I decided to go on ahead and buy the captivate.
I recently found out about something called "rooting" and have been reading up about it for the past few days.
I learned that people like to root especially for tethering and installing android rom updates that have not been released yet by their carriers. However, I would probably NOT use tethering because I am planning to get the $15 per month, 200mb per month, data plan.
I have installed custom Roms before on my Sony Xperia X1, so I know the general risks of installing them. However, I am new to android, and I have a few questions about rooting.
What exactly does rooting allow you to do?
I remember reading that you must root your phone in order to sideload apps (install non-market apps, right?). This was the main reason I wanted to root. However, I found this : http[:]//www[.]androidcentral[.]com/sideload-android-apps-all-you-want-sideload-wonder-machine (sorry, can't post links yet)
This program seems to solve that problem.
Next, I want to be able to install themes, like Launcher Pro especially. Is it possible to do this without rooting by sideloading the app or must I root my phone?
Third, I know that another great advantage of rooting your phone is that you can overclock to 1.2 GHZ. Does this feature really give you that much of a power boost? Also, does it, in any way, decrease your device's lifespan? If so, is it worth it?
I don't really mind the at&t bloatware, and their censorship of the market is easily passed by turning on wifi and putting your phone in airplane mode (I think).
Now, let's say that I DO decide to root my phone. If I do, I would use the "1 click to root" program, in order to minimize the risk of bricking.
Once I root my phone, I would probably go ahead and install this : http[:]//forum.xda-developers[.]com/showthread.php?t=751934
However, there are two things I am confused about: How do I make a nandroid backup so that I may restore my phone to stock and then unroot it after installing a custom rom? Also, what the hell is "odin"?
Thanks in advance, guys.
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Root if you need to - if nothing you want to do requires root, then don't bother.
You can install (sideload) apps without root. Again, root access is NOT required to sideload. The wondermachine does it by using the Android SDK (they baked it in); but you can just as easily download the Android SDK, unzip it, go to the tools directory and use the ADB tool to install apps. USB Debugging mode is required for this or the wondermachine (it is a checkbox you click on the phone).
Rooting will let you sideload directly on the phone without connecting to a pc, but you need to do more then root, you need to change a db file.
Other launchers are installed without root, so you don't need root for this.
You do need root for nandroid backup, but since it will backup your present state, a restore will still be a rooted phone.
So if you want to restore to factory fresh - the ODIN one click is the way to go. It has the ROM and Odin all in one package. Other version of Odin allows you flash different ROMs.
Nandroid and RomManager are used to switch ROMs and restore all on the phone - so you can install a new ROM, but then rollback to the old with all your configuration intact - this requires root.
That 200mb plan is going to be tough to stay within on the Captivate. The background syncing with google and mail app activity will chew up alot more than you think.
Your first concern with this phone will be how to control data, not whether or not to root.
I do think controlling the data use will be easier on the Captivate than it would be on the iPhone4.
For simplicity, I think SRE 1.2.1a does the best job of "remodeling" the phone.
Ok, thanks a lot for your answers guys, cleared up a lot of things.
I decided I wanted to root just so that I could make backups and install custom roms.
Also, about the data problem, I plan to have wifi on and 3g off most of the time. I don't really find 3g to be a necessity.
Also, is there a way to roll back to your previous ROM and keep all your apps? Or would you have to reinstall them fresh?
alphadog00 said:
Root if you need to - if nothing you want to do requires root, then don't bother.
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Well, this is much like there is a sexy girl in your room and people tell you to do nothing!!! People here tells you a lot of cool stuffs with being rooted, that changes "what you want to do"
PS: In my case I decided to wait until the 2.2 comes out. From now on, I just read this forum . However, I did root my phone and flash back to stock using Odin, just to see whether it is like original afterward (and it seems to be!). I believe I still have warranty with the phone then (can anyone confirm about that again for me???)
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Ok, thanks a lot for your answers guys, cleared up a lot of things.
I decided I wanted to root just so that I could make backups and install custom roms.
Also, about the data problem, I plan to have wifi on and 3g off most of the time. I don't really find 3g to be a necessity.
Also, is there a way to roll back to your previous ROM and keep all your apps? Or would you have to reinstall them fresh?
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Titanium backup, and maybe samsung kies, I know kies works for contacts, and media and synching to outlook. I thought it works for apps but I may be thinking of htc sync, I never really use either.
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cppc said:
Well, this is much like there is a sexy girl in your room and people tell you to do nothing!!! People here tells you a lot of cool stuffs with being rooted, that changes "what you want to do"
PS: In my case I decided to wait until the 2.2 comes out. From now on, I just read this forum . However, I did root my phone and flash back to stock using Odin, just to see whether it is like original afterward (and it seems to be!). I believe I still have warranty with the phone then (can anyone confirm about that again for me???)
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If you flashed back to stock no one knows you rooted so your warranty is safe.
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NeoXer0 said:
Ok, thanks a lot for your answers guys, cleared up a lot of things.
I decided I wanted to root just so that I could make backups and install custom roms.
Also, about the data problem, I plan to have wifi on and 3g off most of the time. I don't really find 3g to be a necessity.
Also, is there a way to roll back to your previous ROM and keep all your apps? Or would you have to reinstall them fresh?
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Clockwork mod will let you create rom backups along with you app data
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Anyone who has or know if tun.ko has been ported to work on the LG 2x yet?. Its because I need the tun.ko drivers to activate a VPN connection and the 4 standards provided off the shelf is not supported .
The only way I can connect is via an app from market, but said app requires the presence of tunn.ko to work.
MoDaCo has a kernel with tun included.
I would prefer it not being a custom kernel etc . Im not really that much into flashing new roms and such until at least I have seen Gingerbread on the 2x.
So at present I am hoping for a solutuon that only requires me to push it to the phone and not flash a new rom.
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I would prefer it not being a custom kernel etc . Im not really that much into flashing new roms and such until at least I have seen Gingerbread on the 2x.
So at present I am hoping for a solutuon that only requires me to push it to the phone and not flash a new rom.
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Then either get it from the kernel image or ask Paul nicely to help you out.
Does this paul have name on this board.
You must be new here.
It's paulobrien. His 2X forum is at http://2x.modaco.com.
I just joined a few months ago, so no im not venerable yet . But does this paulk frequent these boards as well?.
The reason I ask is that I find it a bit excessive to register at yet another board for the mere reason of needing to contact him and enquire about that tun.ko file
Alright, let me put it this way; You wouldn't regret taking a minute to sign up for modaco.com, because his custom ROM's and kitchens tend to be for members there only. The MCR (MoDaCo Custom ROM) kitchens are famous for their easy way of choosing what you want to include and not in the ROM.
He's frequently here and on Twitter as paulobrien.
Yea I sent him a PM already on here . But for all the goodness of custom roms I have never really ventured into that realm and tried one. I meant to do it when I had my Desire and started to realise I might get Gingerbread for it. But then HTC says they would give it gingerbread so I stalled even more
And now I have the LG as well, and for what it is worth I am generally content in a a large extend with having a stock rom, albeit with some of the provided apps removed and a few tweeks and addons here and there, without going all the way.
But time will tell with the LG
It's definitely a good phone, and hopefully it will get even better. Let's cross our fingers for Android 2.3 or 2.4(?) soon.
In the meantime I can tell you that flashing custom ROM's is very easy. It's close to impossible to screw up the O2X because we have nvflash working and can overwrite all partitions easily. Nvflash is Nvidia's own tool for writing to the ROM. Paul has a guide for how to flash the latest stock ROM in the dev section here. Just beware that using nvflash will in most cases format (delete) everything including your external sdcard, but you can of course remove it first.
Better yet is to install the custom (ClockWorkMod) recovery, backup and flash a ROM from there, because then you don't have to reinstall apps+data. All data+sdcards will be intact, but system settings and any manually added apps in /system/app will be lost though.
If you decide to give it a go we are all friendly and helpful people, just do a little bit of homework yourself.
I had rooted and security offed my Desire which I have have now passed on .
My LG 2x is also equally rooted, I got CWM on it and flashed radio drivers . So I have already did some manner of mocking about with it . But is NVflash a "required" item on our phones. Because I considered installing it, but didn't thnk I really had a need for it at first.
But sadly rooting and doing such to your phone also means OTA software downloads are not possible as the phone is not detected as being the original phone anymore :/
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But is NVflash a "required" item on our phones. Because I considered installing it, but didn't thnk I really had a need for it at first.
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NVFlash poses as a "last resort" if you brick your phone beyond the ability to make an adb connection. As far as I understand it, it hooks in far earlier and thus enables you to flash system partitions.
If you don't brick your phone, you probably won't need nvflash, but its a safety net to revert the phone to a stock ROM if you screw up.
Still no dice, I sent Paul a PM some days ago and not a word back :/
So is there anyone else that might be able to help, since I will assume I can't just "reuse" the version I got for my Desire
I'm currently running with a rooted version of the latest stock firmware on my N1, and I love the stability and all, except Google's apps2sd implementation is really dumb.
With only a dozen or so apps I am already getting low storage errors.
I've tried flashing in DT's apps2sd but unfortunately it didn't seem to work at all. Are there any other options for me to get apps2ext support without switching to a custom rom?
Try Link2sd in the Market.
It may be better, it may not, but it's worth a try...
Hey SmallWalrus,
I am running stock 2.3.4 unrooted Nexus one. (yes, that is GRJ22)
I have never rooted a phone. Can you please point me somewhere which shows how to unlock and root the N1 with my specs. My phone is pretty old. I am only rooting it because this is a spare one and I now have moved to SGS2.
PS: using a mac and Linux machine. If not then please show me a windows one. i'll try dual booting my macbook pro.
painkilleryusuf said:
Hey SmallWalrus,
I am running stock 2.3.4 unrooted Nexus one. (yes, that is GRJ22)
I have never rooted a phone. Can you please point me somewhere which shows how to unlock and root the N1 with my specs. My phone is pretty old. I am only rooting it because this is a spare one and I now have moved to SGS2.
PS: using a mac and Linux machine. If not then please show me a windows one. i'll try dual booting my macbook pro.
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Have you unlocked your bootloader? That was how I did it though, there is no other way to root 2.3.4 without doing this at the moment.
That is what i want to know. How do i do that safely?
Well there is a way to safely root your phone without unlocking the bootloader, I did those steps recently and they worked fine for me.
1. You need to downgrade your phone to Froyo. Get the FRG83 image from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Nexus_One/Roms
Rename it to PASSIMG.zip and copy it to the root folder of your SD Card. Boot your phone into the bootloader and flash the image. This will wipe your device, so be sure to make a backup of your data and apps first.
2. Use SuperOneClick to root your phone. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803682
3. Now you need to flash a custom recovery. I used the Clockworkmod one, because flashing it is very simple: install the Rom Manager app from the market, it has an option to flash the recovery.
4. Now you are set to flash custom ROMs, either through Rom Manager or the Recovery. You should however do a Nandroid Backup first, in case anything goes wrong in flashing the ROM. Boot into Recovery and you should see a menu item saying Backup or something.
It's really not a big deal as it sounds, I can't guarantee that this will work for you. You should know what you are doing and if you feel unsafe about any of these steps, make sure to search the forums or the web about it, before you execute it.
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That is what i want to know. How do i do that safely?
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Sorry, I didn't see your question until now
Actually, it IS very easy to do this, you can find the instructions here:
http://android.modaco.com/topic/299078-how-to-unlock-the-bootloader-on-your-nexus-one/
It does have some warranty implications though, but since I am already using an import set I don't care. According to some, HTC usually shuts one eye and fix your phone's hardware failures even if it has an unlocked bootloader, but YMMV.
got honeystreak rc 2.1 on my dell streak 7 and i have no clue how to get clockwork recovery on it with honeystreak, so when i get rom manager and flash clockwork it works, then i reboot into the original recovery then i choose software upadate.pkg then when i click it nothing happens it just has the dell logo then it just powers up like it normally would so i cant get clockwork i need help!!!
CWM and Honeystreak are not compatible.
Same thing happened to me, the root was easy with gingerbreak, had root so I could run rom manager and flashed that to the clockwork recovery and backed up. Installed honeystreak using the nvflash and didnt like the instability of it so I wanted to go back but didnt realize the way back was another nvflash the breaks the device and then you have to recover from the cwm back up. I returned it at that point.
I've learned some more about nvflash since then, it seems its the official way they install the os's to the tegra devices. But without the official install files needed for your device, it has to be rigged. Which is why the honeystreak is unstable and the flash back to stock is broken and has to be recovered from a back up.
Windows, ubuntu are such easy installs compared to android. Everythings on a disc(that you can setup on a usb stick), there arent 14 or how ever many separate files you have to download(for the nvflash). And it just starts the install, you dont need separate program to install. They really made the process needlessly complicated for installing android.
I just find it hard to believe, non developers have to RELY on the hacker community to perform fresh(or not so fresh) installs because google/the middlemen dont provide installation media. Oh wait they provide the source code... which if your not a developer is no help to the uninitiated that just want a clean install, install newer versions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16257823#post16257823
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1018809&highlight=nvflash
papermate said:
Same thing happened to me, the root was easy with gingerbreak, had root so I could run rom manager and flashed that to the clockwork recovery and backed up. Installed honeystreak using the nvflash and didnt like the instability of it so I wanted to go back but didnt realize the way back was another nvflash the breaks the device and then you have to recover from the cwm back up. I returned it at that point.
I've learned some more about nvflash since then, it seems its the official way they install the os's to the tegra devices. But without the official install files needed for your device, it has to be rigged. Which is why the honeystreak is unstable and the flash back to stock is broken and has to be recovered from a back up.
Windows, ubuntu are such easy installs compared to android. Everythings on a disc(that you can setup on a usb stick), there arent 14 or how ever many separate files you have to download(for the nvflash). And it just starts the install, you dont need separate program to install. They really made the process needlessly complicated for installing android.
I just find it hard to believe, non developers have to RELY on the hacker community to perform fresh(or not so fresh) installs because google/the middlemen dont provide installation media. Oh wait they provide the source code... which if your not a developer is no help to the uninitiated that just want a clean install, install newer versions.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16257823#post16257823
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1018809&highlight=nvflash
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so your saying its not possible to get cwm on honeystreak
azoller1 said:
so your saying its not possible to get cwm on honeystreak
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Its possible to get cwm(the app) ON honeystreak. What doesnt work on honeystreak is the clockwork recovery boot up menu as you have noticed yourself. Dont ask me why, I dont know. And the only current "fix" for it is to nvflash to stock where the clockwork recovery boot up menu works.
I have an open question for anyone, does clockwork rom manager work properly on honeycomb and thereby make the problem isolated to honeystreak? Or does it not work properly on honeycomb at all.
Honeystreak requires NVflash to install because it completely repartitions the nand.
nandroid depends on knowing ahead of time what the partition layout is, it's not gonna work if it'd different depending on what rom is installed.
If someone made a HC compatable clockwork it wouldnt be compatable with the stock rom either
so when the official honeycomb comes out for the dell streak 7 will clockwork mod actually boot up correctly?
azoller1 said:
so when the official honeycomb comes out for the dell streak 7 will clockwork mod actually boot up correctly?
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When clockwork rom manager is updated to work on HC it will work... thats what I understood from his post, considering the partition layout is different on HC from previous versions.
There needs to be a partition editor and usb/sd card install-able android media like with ubuntu/windows too do away with these crippled ways of doing this. This modern os cant even perform the basics of installation that desktop os's have performed for a decade?. Maybe when Ice cream source code comes out, this is exactly what someone will do. Til then this is ridiculous. They have so hamstrung the ability to control the os on your hardware. What good is open source software if they control how it gets on the hardware. This is not a methodology I would support.
I'll have to see how windows 8 is handled on arm hardware. Might be the only os you can install and update on your own without the hassle. Or I just wont buy any arm devices and stick to flip phones and laptops for mobility.
papermate said:
When clockwork rom manager is updated to work on HC it will work... thats what I understood from his post, considering the partition layout is different on HC from previous versions.
There needs to be a partition editor and usb/sd card install-able android media like with ubuntu/windows too do away with these crippled ways of doing this. This modern os cant even perform the basics of installation that desktop os's have performed for a decade?. Maybe when Ice cream source code comes out, this is exactly what someone will do. Til then this is ridiculous. They have so hamstrung the ability to control the os on your hardware. What good is open source software if they control how it gets on the hardware. This is not a methodology I would support.
I'll have to see how windows 8 is handled on arm hardware. Might be the only os you can install and update on your own without the hassle. Or I just wont buy any arm devices and stick to flip phones and laptops for mobility.
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The only reason the HC builds all require repartitioning is because they're based off system dumps form other devices. As the majority of the source isnt available the only way to get them to work is to make the device more closely resemble the donor rom device instead of making the rom more similar to the reciving device.
If/when HC lands it's either going to use the 2.2's partition map or require a pc to install that has a streamlined version of nvflash bundled. The only thing that would happen if users were able to manually repartition devices is seeing the rom completely break and require a un-repartitioning as android is hardcoded to take a specific partition layout, as device makers have the source they can change the hardcoded values.
Being able to repartition would be more akin to being able to shuffle around the layout of your pc's bios more then being able to repartition windows. There's no generic version of android (nexus devices might be considered generic, but nexus roms wouldnt boot on any other device anyway), it requires it to be ported to a specific device to work. you COULD play around with your bios to the point that you can shuffle stuff around but unless you had a good reason to there's no point.
Being Linux based, I would like to see Android loaded as modular as opposed to monolithic, and then the device manufacturers could simply release open source modules for their hardware. Of course, maybe this would slow things down for processing; but I'd really like a simple way to just port the OS on any device. This would be a great boon for the open source community.
could it be pssible to port over clockwork from another device to this? or is the only way to flash it
The original clockwork is a port, there would need to be 3 versions total to cover every rom:
2.2
3.1
3.2
as the HC roms are based off multiple device dumps and neither are compatable with eachother