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Is there any point in an SSD right now? Seriously!

I don't see the point in a Solid State Disk.
They are over priced,
Too small,
And data tranfer rate are only about 233mb/s compared to 300mb/s spining hdd
So whats the big thing?
I dont get it!
flyboy

http://www.storagesearch.com/bitmicro-art3.html

I read a bit at the top of that site saying:
SLC SSD capacity- grew 71x
in the period 2001 to 2009.
3.5" SLC SSD capacity was 14GB in 2001. 2.5" SLC SSDs reached 1TB in 2009. MLC SSDs could pack 4TB into 3.5" today if there was a market. Price, and enterprise applications unsuitability presently preclude this.
So ok the technology is there for big ssd's but they are still over priced.
flyboy

Too expensive right now.

flyboyovyick2k9 said:
I don't see the point in a Solid State Disk.
They are over priced,
Too small,
And data tranfer rate are only about 233mb/s compared to 300mb/s spining hdd
So whats the big thing?
I dont get it!
flyboy
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you are wrong. no spinning hdd can reach 300MB/s. i have a ssd in my laptop it was only about $75 when a hard drive is about the same; it is only 30GB though, but it does not matter because i dont store anything on my laptop.

Do they reach 300mb/s?
And what f you do store a lot of data?
flyboy

If you have a desktop then ssd for system and apps, main files.
standard HDD for storage, ie music, vids...
I really want one, only 2 issues for me, price and 2 sata header on my motherboard dam mini-itx. (cd and HD...)

flyboyovyick2k9 said:
Do they reach 300mb/s?
And what f you do store a lot of data?
flyboy
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yeah here is one that goes up to 355MB/s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148348
also i was saying that i dont care that the one that i have is small because i store everything on my server or desktop.

So you have an SSD in your laptop?
Is there any noticeable speed differences?
flyboy

It's not really about speed when comes to solid states disks it's durability and size, no moving parts, which generally slows down the speed.
I found my Eeepc SSD to be far slower than say 5400 in a Gateway also found that if many processes stated @ once it's crawl like on bootup.

so ssd's are not as fast as spining drives?
flyboy

I've gotta say, in my case, when it comes to SSDs, it really *IS* all about speed
I purchased 4 32GB SSDs (SuperTalent ME/GX Drives - discontinued model, not the GX2, which is slower) - last year. I have them configured in a 128gb RAID0, speeds top out at roughly 650MB/s Read/Write, which is the rough practical limit of the Intel ICH9R SATA RAID chipset i'm using.
Even the single SSD outperformed any of the hard drives in my system (1-2 year old 7200RPM drives with 32mb cache)
SSDs have a hugely reduced latency time compared to a spinning disk, that's their major draw. Random access reads are hugely improved. For my usage pattern, nothing would suit it more other than a RAMDrive (which would cost much more and be volatile)
Here's an ATTO test on my RAID0, the write speeds are lower than usual (usually around 620MB/s) - I'm breaking in the new Intel RST driver. (Check out that read anomaly!) It would take you somewhere on the order of 6-8 Hard Drives in RAID to acheive a result like this with sustained transfers, and then you'd still be wayyy behind on random reads.
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In comparison, here's 2 Raptors in RAID0 (Arguably as fast as you get with hard drives)
3 Raptors would almost equal the sustained speeds I get with 4 SSDs, be cheaper, and have more storage. But would never come close to the random access time using SSDs due to the nature of a hard drive (heads that need to seek)

Da_G said:
I've gotta say, in my case, when it comes to SSDs, it really *IS* all about speed
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Sorry to cut down post Da_G, must be cr*p drives in asus Eeepc range then as all models tried are slow but then they are budget side of laptops, always thought the problems would be simultaneous reads\writes..

Until they come down in price an increase in capacity, no point.

MalekoUK said:
Until they come down in price an increase in capacity, no point.
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Low power, low heat generation, making a passively cooled totally silent machine possible?

I think its best waiting until the price comes down.
thanks
flyboy

"spinning" drivers are slow compared to ssd
people should not confuse the speed stated by the interface like SATAII 3Gbit/sec with how fast the physical media can transfer data
storagereview do benchmarks and keep a database for performance
http://www.storagereview.com/php/be...&numDrives=1&devID_0=360&devID_1=368&devCnt=2
these 2 are some of the fastest "spinning" drives max out at 119MB/sec
SSD also use a lot! less power and don't get hot
but imho they are still too small and expensive for desktop use

Da_G said:
SSDs have a hugely reduced latency time compared to a spinning disk, that's their major draw. Random access reads are hugely improved. For my usage pattern, nothing would suit it more other than a RAMDrive (which would cost much more and be volatile)
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Da_G, I'm kind of curious as to what kind of tasks are you doing that require you to have the need for maximum random access read speed? Are you running a large database that doesn't fit into memory or the OS page cache? Besides that I couldn't see you doing constant random reads over a large set of data.

Do you think ssd's would be good in servers?
flyboy

*Not Phone Related* - NES Gaming PC - Celebrating 25 Years

So...for those who want to take a break from all the phone stuff, I thought I'd share a small project of mine.
I recently completed a PC build I did back in October and decided to document the progress of the build with three videos (last one, part 3, linked above). I took an old, non-working NES and used it as a case to make a NES PC gaming rig that does one thing - play NES games with the original, unaltered NES controllers. I know that NES PC mods are nothing new and that many have been done before, but it was a fun hobby project. Anyway, let me know what you think!
Here's a few pics of it:
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that is epic!

Wow very nice work!
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I would buy that from you! Haha
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Thanks all. Will be doing a sleeper SNES build sometime in the future.
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This marvelous idea has inspired me! i am currently making a gamecube controller external hardrive/bluetooth unit...
i just need a bit of help, do any of you guys know where i can get a 2 way usb splitter?
something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/4-Port-Way-U...&otn=3&po=LVI&ps=63&clkid=6892448881617951994
but only 2 way???
if all goes well, ill post a guide on how to make one
(oh, if you know of a three way splitter that could be useful as well, as i am thinking of adding a usb LED)
(oh again, if you know of a four way splitter like the one linked, but with a smaller "convertor box (for lack of a better word)" please link that also, as i can just cut one or two of the usb's off)
hope that made sense.

Nice! I haven't had time to watch the video so pardon if I'm asking a dumb question, but what are the specs of the machine?

urbanengine1 said:
i just need a bit of help, do any of you guys know where i can get a 2 way usb splitter?
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u use only 2 on the one u linked .... and cut off the others if it doesnt fit

souljaboy said:
u use only 2 on the one u linked .... and cut off the others if it doesnt fit
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yeah, i was thinking about that...
but the coverter box thingy is a bit big to fit inside the gamecbe controller, and if its outside, it looks a bit tacky
_
EDIT: i have it sorted now, im going to get the 4 way and just use a mini bluetooth dongle and mini usb drive, the other two will exit through the bottom of the gamecube controller, so as to make it a two way usb hub AS WELL AS a bluetooth and external hardrive unit
i will post a pic in a couple of weeks after the items arrive

I converted a original xbox headset into a usb pc headset.
Nice work with the NES!!!

flyboyovyick said:
I converted a original xbox headset into a usb pc headset.
Nice work with the NES!!!
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NICE!!
theres a guid on the net about putting eeepc netbook hardware in a super nintendo, with a cd drive inside a game cartride (*drool*)... i just hope someone here does that

vbetts said:
Nice! I haven't had time to watch the video so pardon if I'm asking a dumb question, but what are the specs of the machine?
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The specs are:
Intel E5300 @ 2.8GHz
Geforce 9300 onboard chip
40GB Intel SSD
150W Pico PSU
It's waaaaay overpowered for just playing NES games, but it barely manages to run Hyperspin (the front-end, aka the menu) with all the bells and whistles (it's very CPU intensive as the entire menu is based around flash). So that's the reason for having such a strong GPU/CPU. I could have possibly gone with another front-end that isn't so intensive, but I really like Hyperspin and the options it gives you for building out a menu.
For the SNES build, I'm going with a sleeper look, which means I can't cut holes in any of the case - and that means I need to have a passively cooled motherboard and proc that won't overheat. So I'll need to find a way to lower the specs while still managing to run Hyperspin at a decent framerate. It'll be interesting when I start it - I love these kinds of projects.

Flash should be hardware accelerated, so it should be mainly dependent on your gpu. It is overkill for NES, but it is pretty sweet still.

anyone know where i can buy a cheap (broken preferably) xbox original online?
ebay doesnt give any results (only broken xbox 360's)
any ideas?

vbetts said:
Flash should be hardware accelerated, so it should be mainly dependent on your gpu. It is overkill for NES, but it is pretty sweet still.
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Really? Thought flash was CPU. Is flash run via DXVA now? Didn't seem like it on the box. Oh well, regardless, Hyperspin takes up a lot of CPU if you turn all its features on. But it's a great front-end.

buddwm said:
The specs are:
Intel E5300 @ 2.8GHz
Geforce 9300 onboard chip
40GB Intel SSD
150W Pico PSU
It's waaaaay overpowered for just playing NES games, but it barely manages to run Hyperspin (the front-end, aka the menu) with all the bells and whistles (it's very CPU intensive as the entire menu is based around flash). So that's the reason for having such a strong GPU/CPU. I could have possibly gone with another front-end that isn't so intensive, but I really like Hyperspin and the options it gives you for building out a menu.
For the SNES build, I'm going with a sleeper look, which means I can't cut holes in any of the case - and that means I need to have a passively cooled motherboard and proc that won't overheat. So I'll need to find a way to lower the specs while still managing to run Hyperspin at a decent framerate. It'll be interesting when I start it - I love these kinds of projects.
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hmm... you could always try a via nano-itx motherboard (120mm by 120mm) for your sleeper build, the one with the 1.5ghz processor might work well as it's graphics chip supports hdmi output...
i just think it may be hard to fit a mini-itx board in the case without cutting some holes at the back.
EDIT: oh, what mobo did you use in your nes?

I used a ZOTAC GF9300-I-E. Yeah, for the SNES build I'll need to go smaller perhaps. I won't be able to start on it for a few months though. But I already have a pretty good idea for what the video will be like. Should be fun!

Gaming Comp

Im looking to buy a new gaming computer because my mac is really not built for it. It runs some games pretty well under windows but not as good as i would like. i have a quote for 1000$ for it atm (2.54Ghz MBP 2009 model) and i have 600$ of extra cash im willing to put into a new computer.
my basic question: What is the best gaming computer i can get in the price range of 1400-1600$?

johnston9234 said:
Im looking to buy a new gaming computer because my mac is really not built for it. It runs some games pretty well under windows but not as good as i would like. i have a quote for 1000$ for it atm (2.54Ghz MBP 2009 model) and i have 600$ of extra cash im willing to put into a new computer.
my basic question: What is the best gaming computer i can get in the price range of 1400-1600$?
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In all seriousness, you are better off building your own because it will be cheaper. If you go that route, the only things that will be expensive are the CPU, GPU and motherboard.
Now if you don't know what processor to go with, I suggest you check out Intel's 2600K. It is Intel's new Sandy Bridge processor and it is FRICKING awesome for its price. Easily overclockable up to 4Ghz on air.

DDiaz007 said:
In all seriousness, you are better off building your own because it will be cheaper. If you go that route, the only things that will be expensive are the CPU, GPU and motherboard.
Now if you don't know what processor to go with, I suggest you check out Intel's 2600K. It is Intel's new Sandy Bridge processor and it is FRICKING awesome for its price. Easily overclockable up to 4Ghz on air.
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should have been more specific, im looking for a gaming laptop

johnston9234 said:
should have been more specific, im looking for a gaming laptop
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1600$ Max? I can't believe I'm going to say this, but Alienware's m11x and m15x are solid laptops with a good price. You can also check out HP also or Dells XPS series which are pretty noteworthy.

Take a look at asus laptops. They have the best price for what you get.
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ur not a human if u dont choose from these (according to steve jobs)
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro?mco=MTM3NjU5MzU

souljaboy said:
ur not a human if u dont choose from these (according to steve jobs)
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro?mco=MTM3NjU5MzU
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check out: Aira.co.uk
http://www.aria.co.uk/Systems/Gaming+Range - Gaming PCs,
they might be some what expensive, but look around at the parst and stuff,
also i will say i got my XFX ATI Radeon 5770 Single Slot - £105
and a samsung CD/DVD 24x - £24
and its awesome,
the rest tho is a stock Dell XPS 430
Specs:
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 (Socket 775)
RAM: 8.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 531MHz (7-7-7-20)
MotherBoard: Dell Inc. 0G254H (CPU)
GraphicsCard: XFX ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series
HDD: 625gb Western Digitial Caviar x2
Audio: Reallusion Virtual Audio
Creative X-Fi Audio Processor (WDM)
ATI HDMI Audio
got all this informaiton from a program called Speccy

souljaboy said:
ur not a human if u dont choose from these (according to steve jobs)
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro?mco=MTM3NjU5MzU
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wow....no
i definetly am looking at Asus and Alienware atm.

do you guys have any specific models that i should take a look at? maybe a config that has worked well?

Just go for Alienware if you 100 % wants gaming laptop
If you only wants a gaming laptop then go after processor and Graphics card because RAM And hard drive you can upgrade that later , You need solid Nvidia GTX Series for good gaming

I know Lenovo's aren't technicaly gaming PC's but they have some great specs for the price there

I'm in the Alienware camp as well. My brother has one and he can multi-box WoW (5 account bot team lol) with no lag whatsoever.
But it runs any game he wants to on it with no lag and its pretty slick looking.

ive heard alienwares are a bit overpriced for what they are worth, however i like the power they put into those computers. I will definetly check that out. also, should i go for a custom built comp or just one pre-configed?

Well you cant cave in so you'll have to get atm a good solid computer thatll last you the next 10 years
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johnston9234 said:
ive heard alienwares are a bit overpriced for what they are worth, however i like the power they put into those computers. I will definetly check that out. also, should i go for a custom built comp or just one pre-configed?
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joke aside best bang for the buck (or should i say fps for the buck) is the sager brand , go ahead , compare the specs and price with alienware , or anything ya want
they look more solid too (which is a huge plus compared to the childish green alien faces imo)
http://www.sagernotebook.com/

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200575504565
These guys are the best.

http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=category_browse&selected_cat=special&mid=NP8170
wow, i like this one alot

Sagers are alright.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...DeactivatedMark=False&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20
Any out of those would be pretty nice. I would wait some though, because the Sandybridge mobile chips are suppose to be coming soon.

johnston9234 said:
http://www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=category_browse&selected_cat=special&mid=NP8170
wow, i like this one alot
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yeah they also have the new 2k i7 (sandybridge)

Show Us Your Rig....

On a forum I used to frequent back in my tech support days we had a thread called "Show us yer Rig"......
I'll start with my present one...
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An aging P4 3.2Ghz, Asus motherboard, XFX 9500GT, couple Tb drives, Win7 & Ubuntu 12.04 (Pangolin AFAIK) dual boot.
Plus, when I'm at home my A500 has a home on the desk as an aWARemote tool for Winamp etc...
Dont mind the mess, its the only place in the house I'm 'allowed' to be messy (damn these wifey characters!).
Direct full size image links...
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By all means say my computer sucks:
HP pavilion a6235
AMD x64 dual core @2GHz
2 GB RAM
Nvidia geeforce something
Windows 8
Screen: Samsung syncmaster p2370HD
Additional details when i get better access to my computer tomorrow.
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There is a thread on this already. I looked for it but got bored. But it is here.

Is there? Ah well theres two now unless someone wants to link me there... I like your rig LordManhattan..... Is that quad core?

stressfreesoul said:
Is there? Ah well theres two now unless someone wants to link me there... I like your rig LordManhattan..... Is that quad core?
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You're more showing pics of your desk rather than your PC
So here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=554174&highlight=show+us+your+desk

Thanks! That's Octocore! I can run Minecraft on full settings and explode things in-game without any lag

boborone said:
There is a thread on this already. I looked for it but got bored. But it is here.
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Yes there is, but I tried and failed. I can't find it. If anyone finds it then a link here would be great, but until then it's a valid thread.
And to stay on-topic (which pains me to do so), you REALLY don't want to know my PC setup! Seriously

Show it! Is it a notebook or something like that? If so, don't be embarrassed, the only thing i have is a crappy laptop, but i don't need anything else. I don't play games, so i don't need a lot of power. SHOW IT, or tell us what you have

Lulz^^
This is why I love forums. I only use my desktop as a permanent media server, which it does just fine...
I posted in the other thread too

LordManhattan said:
Show it! Is it a notebook or something like that? If so, don't be embarrassed, the only thing i have is a crappy laptop, but i don't need anything else. I don't play games, so i don't need a lot of power. SHOW IT, or tell us what you have
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Since you asked so nicely
It's an "e-machine" custom built thing with a dual core 2.4GHz CPU (of some make or other - I think it's an AMD) and 4GB of RAM. I pretty much use it for browsing, DLNA streaming, software development and writing music. It doesn't need massive specs as I don't game on it that much. I've got a couple of Star Wars games, but they happily run at decent res as they're years old.
It suits my needs, but is by no means a powerhouse. I'm a console gamer, but if I wasn't then my PC would be pimped to the max as I'd game on that instead. I needs my games!

Same here, got a 360 but dont bother with that all the time either. Nice media extender though...

Thanks! Now, was that so hard? It's still better than my laptop. I have a Compaq Presario CQ62 with 2GB RAM. Not sure on the rest of the specs, but it's not fast at all. But it's OK for doing daily tasks like reading news and streaming/downloading things. If i want to game i'll power up the good ol' PS3.

Some of you have already seen these, but since it applies, here's my PC. I call her Cocaine.
I hope you like white haha.
And a cellphone pic to show s different color light behind the mobo.
Sent from my coffee pot.

TheSkinnyDrummer said:
Some of you have already seen these, but since it applies, here's my PC. I call her Cocaine.
I hope you like white haha.
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Thats an uber rig. I'm jealous. Doesnt often happen.... My old rig was nice too but I've lost the funding to keep up with the tech curve these days....
Whats the spec on that beast?

stressfreesoul said:
Thats an uber rig. I'm jealous. Doesnt often happen.... My old rig was nice too but I've lost the funding to keep up with the tech curve these days....
Whats the spec on that beast?
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Thanks, glad you like!
Here goes:
Lian Li a05n case
Asus p8p67 pro motherboard
Intel i7 2600k CPU clocked at 4.7ghz
Antec 620 liquid cooler
Pny gtx550ti gfx
Lite on bluray burner/reader
Nzxt sentry2 fan controller
Corsair 8gb xms3 memory
Crucial M4 64gb ssd
2x wd caviar blue hdd
Corsair tx650 psu
I think that's it haha
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TheSkinnyDrummer said:
Thanks, glad you like!
Here goes:
Lian Li a05n case
Asus p8p67 pro motherboard
Intel i7 2600k CPU clocked at 4.7ghz
Antec 620 liquid cooler
Pny gtx550ti gfx
Lite on bluray burner/reader
Nzxt sentry2 fan controller
Corsair 8gb xms3 memory
Crucial M4 64gb ssd
2x wd caviar blue hdd
Corsair tx650 psu
I think that's it haha
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U spent how much building that?
I love how it looks, so clean

davidrules7778 said:
U spent how much building that?
I love how it looks, so clean
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Thanks! Around $1500
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Wish I could fill the screen, I need a bigger room lol

cant decide which win7 tab to get...

before you say it, yes i know win7 isnt a good tablet os. i know. i dont care i still want one. lol.
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my arguments for gigabyte:
much faster cpu (atom equivalent of an i3)
standard 2.5" hdd allows more and cheaper upgrade options (hybrid hdd anyone?)
dual usb with one superspeed
mouse pad, mouse buttons and scroll buttons make it much easier to navagate freely, also certain combos will send certain commands like C+A+D
looks really sexy, pretty much like the hp slate
thoughts: if it had atleast 720p resolution and atleast dx10 supported gpu id be all over this thing
summary: has ehh hardware compared to msi but ease of use seems exponentially better​my arguments for msi:
slightly cheaper
ips display at 720p+ (you sexy beast)
lower tdp cpu
radeon 6 series gpu with dx11 absolutely OBLITERATES any atom gma (the ability to do some light gaming like bejeweled and heavy weapon would be nice, at more than 15 fps would be even better)
double the ram at a higher data rate
msata insures low power consumption
dual cameras
gps (cuz why not)
slightly bigger battery
dedicated C+A+D button can be pretty useful
tpm security module
thoughts: if i could find a better cpu to upgrade to i could live with everything else and would buy this thing in a heartbeat but lack of mouse controls, super slow cpu and lack of i/o ports are a real turn off
summary: has some fairly impressive hardware for a tablet, but the ease of use seems lacking compared to the gigabyte​

I can see where this will end up, so ib4l

ha ha ha! way to be productive bro.

Some people here judge everyone by their own standards

yeah... just go ahead and delete the thread im sure everyone is gonna bypass it anyway

m1l4droid said:
I'd say wait for surface. It's worth the wait. Even I'm ditching Android as a tablet OS for that device.
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^^^ that.
Unless there's a specific reason for wanting W7 on it (maybe you just want it now, rather than waiting), go for W8 - looks much better.

daktah said:
yeah... just go ahead and delete the thread im sure everyone is gonna bypass it anyway
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I'll close it if you really want me to, but not everyone in here's a troll. Some will actually read your post and answer constructively.

Archer said:
^^^ that.
Unless there's a specific reason for wanting W7 on it (maybe you just want it now, rather than waiting), go for W8 - looks much better.
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i know i probably should but im not looking to spend a ton of money on this thing as i already have a $2300-something sager gaming rig (the one good thing about deploying: the redonk amount of cash you make). i just wanted this as a small cheap portable solution.and plus i can jusp upgrade when w8 is released if i wanted.
Archer said:
I'll close it if you really want me to, but not everyone in here's a troll. Some will actually read your post and answer constructively.
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oh yes i know ive been here since i found the place back when the og evo came out so i know that people can be really helpful... when it comes to phones. other things tend to be not so much. atleast in my experience.

I had no intention of being a troll - it was early in the morning here, I briefly skimmed the OP and had visions of it going exactly the same way the recent Mac thread has gone, turning into a haters vs fanboys outing.
To be honest, I would also recommend waiting for one of the 'Surface' tablets running Windows 8. 7 just isn't designed for tablets and is still really difficult to utilise without a keyboard - I speak from experience as I am an EPoS engineer by trade and spend half my life using both XP & Win 7 based touch-screen PC systems in my job.
I have played with 8 and it just looks much better designed and far more ideal for the Tablet market.

The arm version of the surface would have a processor that is similar to those of android tablets and the ipad right now. You wont be able to run any current windows programs on it. However the pro version of the surface should run older windows programs, in addition to the metro apps. The pro version will most likely be a bit pricey though.

yosterwp said:
The arm version of the surface would have a processor that is similar to those of android tablets and the ipad right now. You wont be able to run any current windows programs on it. However the pro version of the surface should run older windows programs, in addition to the metro apps. The pro version will most likely be a bit pricey though.
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Yes I just looked it up and saw that and that is my problem with new Surface machines. RT is supposed to start out at $600 but basically is a glorified WinMob/WinPhone, and since its ARM it will most likely use SOCs which means no CPU or RAM expansion options. On the other hand 8/Pro will be fully compatible with everything and use standard mobile components, but starting at $1000+ is way out of my price range. Again, I have an expensive ass laptop for the power computing area of my life, I just wanted this as a thing that is more mobile and just to mess around with it. And as far as the keyboard thing, SimonTS, a $15 generic mini USB keyboard case from Amazon can easily solve that problem.
I guess when I end up being able to buy something Ill go for the Gigabyte because of the body, ports, and the couple of accessories offered by Gigabyte compared to the... nothing that MSI offers (that Im aware of at least). I bet I can replace the screen on it too hopefully.