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HTC Sense apps while running LauncherPro

Because of the bloat the EspressoUI had, I loaded LauncherPro. Much better memory management. However, I'd like to continue to use some of the Espresso/Sense widgets. (Namely peep, messenger, and the clock with the weather app built in.) Anyone know how to do this? Or must I wait for root?
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can't be done even with root. The Sense widgets require the sense ui to be running. no other way to get them to work. This has been asked probably 10+ times over at the official forums. always the same answer. thats just how HTC made sense.

Then I guess I have my first project, once I get my development computer in order.
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You realize sense is still running in the background? So your theory of better memory management is kinda null. I really don't see what everyones complaints are with sense, it flies for me. So if your seeing any improved speed its probably just placebo, or the fact that those same widgets you want to run or no longer running if you deleted them.

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or the fact that those same widgets you want to run or no longer running if you deleted them.
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I am pretty sure this is the reason. I think it's a problem of monkey see, monkey kinda do... They're seeing some people complain about the internal memory being eaten up most likely due to Sense, and are automatically associating that with performance issues. I think mine flies as well using the Sense UI, I just dislike the look, and would rather have more internal room.

For me it's not a monkey see monkey do. I force stop, and turn off Sense completely. It doesn't run in the background anymore. I do get a memory boost because the MyFaves app, and some of the other things are no longer running. That is where I see the performance boost. Don't get me wrong, the Espresso/Sense is nice, but it has two issues. It runs a lot of stuff in background, whether or not you have the widget on screen. And second, it isn't as functional or customizable yet. I was more so asking the first question though, because I'd like to continue using the peep widget once we get root, and I use a different rom.

Do you have a task manager? I just installed adw just to test this out. After selecting as default home, I close sense, check my app manager and sure enough it started right back up. As for the my faves, its never running for me once I end it with the task manager. ADW and all these launchers are straight though I just cant stand having them running on top of each other, once there root launcher.apk is replacable

For the sake of thoroughness, I grabbed three different task managers. Of the three, only one saw HTC Sense, and it wasn't running or tying up memory, it simply recognized it as a system process waiting to start. You also do not need a "Task Manager" for two main reasons. You have a far better one built into the Setting -> Applications -> Running Services. Second, when an application is no longer being used it goes into what is called OnPause(), then goes to OnStop(). Now in the OnStop() state, yes it is holding memory, waiting for the OnResume() command to take effect so you can pick up where you left off. If another program needs said memory, then the OnStop() process is killed from memory, so the new activity can utilize it. Task managers are just adding to your bloat. HTC Sense is an activity that is constantly running, thus it never truly goes into OnPause(), and it keeps a hold of what memory it takes. That is why I wanted to drop it like a bad habit. And yes, I do agree with you, once we get root, and can install whatever boot.apk we want, then things will be really nice. But I'd still want to find some way of getting the Peep.apk to stand alone because it is a very nice twitter app.
EDIT: I have stated in other threads that I am a newbie level developer. I believe what I posted to be correct. However, if what I have stated above is incorrect, then by all mean, I apologize, and welcome the correction/education.

The phone works fine without Sense, and much faster.
I am trying the Slide2G1 rom on my G1, and once I installed ADW, I deleted Rosie, and all the htc widgets from /system/app. This greatly speeded up the phone, while also allowing me to use the HTC styled apps like calendar and dialer without the overhead of sense as well.

How do we disable sense? Just kill the process running?

turboyo said:
You realize sense is still running in the background? So your theory of better memory management is kinda null. I really don't see what everyones complaints are with sense, it flies for me. So if your seeing any improved speed its probably just placebo, or the fact that those same widgets you want to run or no longer running if you deleted them.
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+1 on that, i have yet to bog mine down and believe me i try, in fact my slide runs just as fast as my buddy's droid incredible.

In my own the best way to get rid of sense is to use a launcher set it as default (I prefer adw) then go into settings/ applications/ manage applications. Then clear all data and defaults from from anything sense then delete them from system/app then delete them from data/data.
Also a real good clock widget with the weather that works with launchers is fancy I also did a themed version of the fancy widget I'll post later if anyone is interested
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Here's a copy of a fancy widget I themed using g-dsonz theme. Here's a preview
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This should work with all launchers. Only tested on adw

Fix RAM Storage(Mutli-tasking) problem in CM7.1/M6

Tired of Keep loading every time you open a program ? ex. I open AppMonster wait for Loading ...... and I press home button make open another program and when I come back >>>>> LOADING ! OMG Should I have to wait again for loading to finish?
To fix this problem Do the following(YOU Will Need A Task Manager to Close Your Opened Apps or U will have low RAM Available) :
1.Install Auto Memory Manager from Market Auto Memory Manager-Market
2.open it it will ask for superuser permission -Allow
3.it should be something like 6-8-16-20-32-40
change it to 6-8-16-20-22-24 or by pressing default or Manually.
4.Click Apply
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this screen shot with many open Apps
MarlboroAzrag

Here's already a thread about this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104399
And yes, multi-tasking is extremely improved after lowering the values! I use 6-8-10-14-22-22, works great, you can do own testing to find the best values.
(YOU Will Need A Task Manager to Close Your Opened Apps or U will have low RAM Available)
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You don't need a task manager to close apps at all!
By changing the values you make Android close apps at a certain amount of free RAM.
Example: In my case "empty applications" that are in RAM but are not used, are closed as free RAM gets to 22mb, standard is 40mb on SwiftDroid.

Does it really bad? I use swap partition and activate swap with terminal emulator can run sygic aura while listening to poweramp and when back to home launcher, my spb shell 3d doesn't have to reload whatsoever.
I try autokiller mem, and found out that it eats around 6 MB of ram to run, I don't really think it's good. I don't know about v6 supercharger.
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Autokiller doesn't use any RAM, it just changes the values in a file, and then is closed again.
And it is way better for me after changing the values.
Too much free RAM is wasted RAM.
And about SWAP: I tried it earlier (with swap-file, no partition) and it didn't seem to do anything, although it was activated.
But let's keep this thread about minfree values.

m1st3r1 said:
Does it really bad? I use swap partition and activate swap with terminal emulator can run sygic aura while listening to poweramp and when back to home launcher, my spb shell 3d doesn't have to reload whatsoever.
I try autokiller mem, and found out that it eats around 6 MB of ram to run, I don't really think it's good. I don't know about v6 supercharger.
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Its just a one time Run so what 6mb! DA!
It used to load app menu for me every time I open it
From launcher :S

I can set this at default ... please send me pm boot.img

Ok well post the setting that is working better for you guys. I want numbers for test
Veronica
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patryk95juve said:
I can set this at default ... please send me pm boot.img
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Put It Manually .
lavero.burgos said:
Ok well post the setting that is working better for you guys. I want numbers for test
Veronica
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Thats the default setting for This phone (or for android)

EazyLuke said:
Autokiller doesn't use any RAM, it just changes the values in a file, and then is closed again.
And it is way better for me after changing the values.
Too much free RAM is wasted RAM.
And about SWAP: I tried it earlier (with swap-file, no partition) and it didn't seem to do anything, although it was activated.
But let's keep this thread about minfree values.
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i use autokiller memory optimizer and it always stays at foreground. taking 6 mB of ram with oom = 0.
imo 6 mB is pretty big.
i wonder is there any app, or script that just change that and can be close after that (taking no ram)?

Autokiller Memory Optimizer does that! It doesn't use any RAM. It changes the values and closes then. In theory, you should even be able to change the values with this app, and then uninstall it and settings are kept.
@lavero.burgos: My settings: 6-8-10-14-22-22
Works perfectly! You could go lower, I had it set to like 4-6-8-10-14-16. You really need to try yourself and see what you like.

EazyLuke said:
Autokiller Memory Optimizer does that! It doesn't use any RAM. It changes the values and closes then. In theory, you should even be able to change the values with this app, and then uninstall it and settings are kept.
@lavero.burgos: My settings: 6-8-10-14-22-22
Works perfectly! You could go lower, I had it set to like 4-6-8-10-14-16. You really need to try yourself and see what you like.
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Thank you
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Does it make change if I put the values like this:
6; 8; 12; 18; 20; 20?
I followed a tutorial on [email protected]

fdespotovski said:
Does it make change if I put the values like this:
6; 8; 12; 18; 20; 20?
I followed a tutorial on [email protected]
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yes it does.

marlboroazrag said:
yes it does.
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So,what's better,your values or the ones I've set?

You need to try it yourself and find out if you like it! Just do some experiments, try your values, his or mine and see what's better for you.

So how am I supposed to change those values. Where do I have to make the modification , what file?
Veronica
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/sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
That's the file.
Also, here's a little explanation: http://www.androidcentral.com/fine-tuning-minfree-settings-improving-androids-multi-tasking
There they say if you only edit this file, the changes are not kept after a reboot. You would also have to edit init.rc

EazyLuke said:
/sys/module/lowmemorykiller/parameters/minfree
That's the file.
Also, here's a little explanation: http://www.androidcentral.com/fine-tuning-minfree-settings-improving-androids-multi-tasking
There they say if you only edit this file, the changes are not kept after a reboot. You would also have to edit init.rc
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Hmm sound complicated, oh well that's why I love linux lol. Thanks
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fdespotovski said:
So,what's better,your values or the ones I've set?
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You just set it the way you prefer.

[Q] RAM Manager app to prevent redraws

Hi,
This is sort of a continuation to a thread I made a few weeks ago, which was about launcher redraw problems I had with every single launcher I tried. I'm on FroyoPro v2.5, and on the recommendation of a fellow board member (thanks, Dagger) I'm running Nemus launcher. Basically, whenever i install or uninstall an app, my launcher prompts me to either force close or wait, and when I choose wait, it becomes slow for the next five or ten seconds and then returns to normal. It was worse before, but ticking "Lock launcher into memory" solved the most of the problems. Seems that the lack of RAM was actually the source of the problem.
I was recommended the SuperCharger script. However, I needed a newer version of BusyBox to install it, so I scrapped the idea for the fear I might brick the phone.
I investigated further for a solution, and found the app called RAM Manager (free version), which was made by a developer here at XDA. I installed it, set the "balanced" profile, and it actually fixed the problem. No redraws so far, and I even think the launcher is a tad smoother than before.
Has anyone tried this app? Is it a good thing to have or would you rather recommend I try something else? Are there any apps like it that are perhaps more efficient? It seems that all I need is better RAM management for the issue to be solved.
EDIT: Forgot to add the link to the XDA thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1305060
So far so good. Battery seems more or less unaffected. No negative effects on AnTuTu and Quadrant benchmark scores. Played five games in total, seemingly no negative or positive effects. What are your feedbacks on this?

The ram manager is actually a substitute to the supercharger script.
I personally recommend it if you are having ram issues.
Also you may freeze or uninstall the useless apps(mainly system apps) so as to free more memory.

Hm, now two days into the testing I've noticed that launcher redraws still do happen on occasion. However, it also seems that this app does the job well the moment it started and several minutes after running, but its effectiveness sort of degrades afterwards. Two days after I don't even notice any difference than before. What's the reason behind this? Is it fully compatible with CM ROMs?
There's only one more thing that I would also like to try before dropping this whole issue completely. Obviously it's a RAM thing, because running the backup I made a day after flashing FroyoPro seems to have no problems until I choke it with more apps. Then the same thing starts occurring. Not much can be done with the limited RAM X8 has.
However, what do you think about tweaking the VM heap size and MinFree values in CM settings? Is it possible to alleviate the problem with some tweaks from there?

Ahhhhhhh
V6 supercharger is just a ....beep.....
Before using that my antutu benchmark was 4005 - after installing script my score had a freefall @ ~3500~ ( lost 500 scores)
I'm using ram manager pro too, I can say that its awesome for setting to -multitasking option ( 3 apps at the same time)
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
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jay-z-s said:
Ahhhhhhh
V6 supercharger is just a ....beep.....
Before using that my antutu benchmark was 4005 - after installing script my score had a freefall @ ~3500~ ( lost 500 scores)
I'm using ram manager pro too, I can say that its awesome for setting to -multitasking option ( 3 apps at the same time)
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Yes, and I might actually try buying this app. Even though it didn't resolve the redraw issue completely, the general feeling of better performance seems to linger. I'm going to keep running the free version for a few more days and see what would happen

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There you go...
Download "system tuner pro" or any similar apps from market.
Press "tweak " button
Set "hidden apps" option to maximum value (now its 24mb but u can raise it to 32 or higher )
That's it...
*launcher pro OR adw launcher are too light and don't need to increase memory (I use adw with Widgets without reddraws

Use thishttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032
It works for me.
Just install the apk and tick both yes and run at boot.
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Ram Usage and Lag

Hi People, I have my 8.4 LTE Exynos for 2 weeks now. I rooted it on the second day, debloated/frozen unnecessary apps. However, my RAM still uses up to 2.4gb which leaves me 300mb free.
Im noticing lags while playing SimCity, Deadtrigger2 and more. What annoys me is the FB Messenger lag.
Just want to know if any of you experience the same. I bought this tablet because of 3gb ram so that i can still install dozens of apps without lagging.
also, im using appsetting from xposed to keep hangouts, phone, contacts and Nova launcher in memory/keep resident, however when i open phone and hangouts, it seems that they are not in memory since it takes 2 seconds to load/display in the screen.
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Actually mine doesn't lag when playing any high graphics games except that it just drains the battery faster than a hot potato.
If you are using a different launcher I suggest you disable touchwiz at it is resident and eats up memory however you will lose the ability to multiwindow and other features.
Also download greenify and enable its exposed mode to hide apps in the background to save memory
Clear dalvik cache to zipalign your apps.
And by default my system apps stay resident in my memory. Check if you have a firmware update

I've never experienced such thing. Are you using CM 12? That's too much ram used.
Could you show us your running apps? Without games

Stock android, debloated usibg debloater. 1.25 gb ram in use, never hit anything higher then 1.9.

Lollipop dropping as I type, report back when you get it

drmodify said:
Actually mine doesn't lag when playing any high graphics games except that it just drains the battery faster than a hot potato.
If you are using a different launcher I suggest you disable touchwiz at it is resident and eats up memory however you will lose the ability to multiwindow and other features.
Also download greenify and enable its exposed mode to hide apps in the background to save memory
Clear dalvik cache to zipalign your apps.
And by default my system apps stay resident in my memory. Check if you have a firmware update
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i am using nova launcher but i dont want to disable the multi window ability. i also use greenify along with its xposed mode.
unlimited747 said:
I've never experienced such thing. Are you using CM 12? That's too much ram used.
Could you show us your running apps? Without games
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im using stock. ill be posting the screen shot in a bit since im charging my tablet. what i remember is that upon viewing task manager from rom manager app, i see all apps in the background. and they're eating my ram.
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well then use nova launcher and set it as your default launcher but TW will run in the background so expect some RAM eating

drmodify said:
Actually mine doesn't lag when playing any high graphics games except that it just drains the battery faster than a hot potato.
If you are using a different launcher I suggest you disable touchwiz at it is resident and eats up memory however you will lose the ability to multiwindow and other features.
Also download greenify and enable its exposed mode to hide apps in the background to save memory
Clear dalvik cache to zipalign your apps.
And by default my system apps stay resident in my memory. Check if you have a firmware update
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unlimited747 said:
I've never experienced such thing. Are you using CM 12? That's too much ram used.
Could you show us your running apps? Without games
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HANSB57 said:
Stock android, debloated usibg debloater. 1.25 gb ram in use, never hit anything higher then 1.9.
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Lollipop dropping as I type, report back when you get it
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here's the screenshot of. running apps using task manager from rom manager. free ram is on 200mb only.
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Question only 4 apps lock to RAM on 16GB RAM?

Hello
anyone noticed why it's only possible to lock 4 apps to RAM on the 16GB/512GB S21 Ultra? I do have 8-9GB RAM FREE after I locked 4 apps that I could use to lock more apps...what is Samsung thinking with that brutal limitation? also only possible to lock 1 app on the regular S21 with 8GB is also very stupid...

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Hello
anyone noticed why it's only possible to lock 4 apps to RAM on the 16GB/512GB S21 Ultra? I do have 8-9GB RAM FREE after I locked 4 apps that I could use to lock more apps...what is Samsung thinking with that brutal limitation? also only possible to lock 1 app on the regular S21 with 8GB is also very stupid...
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Are your apps getting killed if you don't lock them in RAM? How many apps do you intend to keep locked in RAM all the time? I'm just asking out of curiosity as I've never used this feature before and would like to know where this would be useful. I only have a 12GB variant though.

enigmaamit said:
Are your apps getting killed if you don't lock them in RAM? How many apps do you intend to keep locked in RAM all the time? I'm just asking out of curiosity as I've never used this feature before and would like to know where this would be useful. I only have a 12GB variant though.
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no but sometimes I have alot of apps in the list that I don't bother swiping to remove and just press close all and the apps I choose to lock stays in the list...I just think it's a waste of RAM not to be able to lock more apps when it clearly could take more, they also removed the feature were you could lock apps to the recent menu without locking it to RAM.
it's useful for example if I don't lock the Internet browser to RAM and if I start writing something on forum or whatever and if I close the browser by swiping it from the recent list and open it again it reloads the page and removes what I wrote.

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no but sometimes I have alot of apps in the list that I don't bother swiping to remove and just press close all and the apps I choose to lock stays in the list...I just think it's a waste of RAM not to be able to lock more apps when it clearly could take more, they also removed the feature were you could lock apps to the recent menu without locking it to RAM.
it's useful for example if I don't lock the Internet browser to RAM and if I start writing something on forum or whatever and if I close the browser by swiping it from the recent list and open it again it reloads the page and removes what I wrote.
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Ahhh...Ok. Got it.
What happens if you don't swipe to kill apps at all?
Like you said, what's the point of having so much RAM if you don't even use it? All your used apps will stay in that huge RAM right? Including your browser and any other apps that you deem critical (you could also add them to the list of never sleeping apps under battery settings)...
And if there's an app that you always kill out of habit after exiting (that you don't want running in the backgrounnd), just add it to the deep sleeping apps list and the phone will auto disable it once it goes to background.
I know it's not what you're looking for, but I think it will acheive the same result. Just trying to think of alternatives to the lock-in-RAM thingy. I'm not sure if you can lock more than Samsung permitted number of apps in RAM without root.

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enigmaamit said:
Ahhh...Ok. Got it.
What happens if you don't swipe to kill apps at all?
Like you said, what's the point of having so much RAM if you don't even use it? All your used apps will stay in that huge RAM right? Including your browser and any other apps that you deem critical (you could also add them to the list of never sleeping apps under battery settings)...
And if there's an app that you always kill out of habit after exiting (that you don't want running in the backgrounnd), just add it to the deep sleeping apps list and the phone will auto disable it once it goes to background.
I know it's not what you're looking for, but I think it will acheive the same result. Just trying to think of alternatives to the lock-in-RAM thingy. I'm not sure if you can lock more than Samsung permitted number of apps in RAM without root.
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if I don't swipe to kill apps they stay in the RAM but sometimes I just want to clear the recent apps and then it closes the apps that are not locked into RAM.
yes there is no other way to do this unfortunately if Samsung won't release firmware update that allows for more apps to be locked to RAM, it does not matter what I do now, if I close all apps in recent list then they get killed.
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Try with Multi Focus turned on.
Its from MultiStar goodlock module.
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I've been using that but it won't help when I clear the recent list.