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With the new release of G2 I am sure there are many of n1 users looking to upgrade. Who is in? I don't need a hardware keyboard. I like the slim n1. Prob wait for the real nexus two. I wonder what is the full spec on the new G2? Whatcha think?
Edit: 800mhz say what? You guys sure u want to upgrade.
http://t-mobilescoop.com/HSPADEVICE
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not yet...
I am not going to leave for the g2 untill january, or at least until the gingerbread phones start rolling out, but if there isn't anything spectacular...which there most likely will be...I will be trading the nexus for the g2
800 MHz? No thanks.
Not Me...what would I do with a slide out keyboard
The only thing I'd really like is HSPA+, though my city probably won't get it for a few months. Other than that, I don't see anything overwhelming with the G2. Don't need a hardware keyboard now that I'm used to virtual keyboard and Swype... The Adreno 205 GPU is also something else I'd like. I think I'll just wait until early next year to see what other HSPA+ phones come out.
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800 MHz? No thanks.
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It's an underclocked proc from what I hear. Clock speed isn't everything. It's more about how efficient the proc is in one clock cycle. From the sound of things (aka rumors so far), It's going to have some pretty damn sweet features. It's the successor to the first Android device! It can't fail
I'm not necessarily LEAVING the Nexus, but I'm seriously debating picking one of these bad boys up
uansari1 said:
The only thing I'd really like is HSPA+, though my city probably won't get it for a few months. Other than that, I don't see anything overwhelming with the G2. Don't need a hardware keyboard now that I'm used to virtual keyboard and Swype... The Adreno 205 GPU is also something else I'd like. I think I'll just wait until early next year to see what other HSPA+ phones come out.
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How does that GPU compare to the one in Galaxy S?
Nice looking phone, but no. I will need something soon to replace this collectors item though.
As much as i would love to have a g2 to continue the legacy I think I will stick with the sexy nexy
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How does that GPU compare to the one in Galaxy S?
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Adreno 205
Now everyone knows that HTC G2 (also known as HTC Vision, HTC Vanguard, HTC G1 Blaze and HTC Desire Z) will feature Snapdragon MSM7230 chipset which uses Adreno 205.
Adreno 205 features:
Hardware-accelerated SVG and Adobe Flash®
Significant improvements in shader performance over Adreno 200 GPU
Streaming textures that can combine video, camera, SVG and other image surfaces with 3D graphics
Based on the early benchmark results, Adreno 205 is expected to be about four times faster than Adreno 200. Samsung's Hummingbird with PowerVR SGX540 is expected to beat Adreno 205 by a small margin, however. Still, given that nothing touches the performance of SGX540 today (that's right, iPhone 4 is not even close!), this is quite an improvement. Also, this thread proves that
Interesting to note that Adreno has hardware-accelerated support for Adobe Flash. Are we going to see much smoother movies in action on this platform?
Will Snapdragon QSD8x60 and QSD8672 use this GPU as well? Perhaps at a higher clock speed? These are dual-core chipsets running at 1.2GHz and 1.5GHz respectively. Rumored phones such as HTC Glacier (also known as HTC Emerald) and HTC Scorpion are expected to use these chipsets. If we are lucky, we may get to see some of these phones during 2010.
Blueman's List of phones that will get him to leave his current Nexus One:
Another Nexus One
Emerald
Nexus 2
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At 1GHz or higher I would have bought one on release day. Now I plan on waiting for some reviews and opinions after it has been out for a month or two. I really would like a hardware keyboard but the absence of | and \ diminishes its usefulness for me.
The other mitigating factor is the rumored dual core Glacier on the horizon. I am interested in seeing how that one shapes up.
I'm buying the phone release date hopefully. It's only clocked at 800ghz so I'm guessing it'll get overclocked. I'm still keeping my Nexus though just as a collectors item, as a backup and for gingerbread. I'll never sell it. One reason I wanna switch is because the 3g problem on my nexus seems to be getting worse over time. The main reason I want it is the keyboard mainly for gaming and because it's vanilla android. If there is a nexus 2 I will buy it also and when the myTouch HD does come out or project emerald I'll just get my friend to get one and report it stolen and I'll do the same with mine and then switch the extra with him. I'm hoping its available for preorder but does anybody know if you preorder a phone does it charge you right when you preorder it or on your next bill?
Hell i am leaving my n1 for this mang! Well not leaving but getting.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/samsung-galaxy-tab-preview/
Why the hell would I? Its ridiculous to jump from N1 until a dual core android phone with a front facing camera and an 8MP rear camera that is a "Google" phone running stock android. In other words hell no!
Are you serious. No Thanks. If I only had a G1 with TMO, the obvious upgrade would be G2. But Nexus One to G2 = Downgrade. It's an ok phone though.
A) Just to play devil's advocate, people are saying that the 800 MHz MSM7x30 Scorpion chip actually runs FASTER than a 1 GHz Snapdragon. Read the comments here:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/01/confirmed-t-mobile-g2-will-have-android-2-2-flash-and-800mhz-c/
B) It'd be tempting but nah, not for me. I'll wait for the next resolution bump (past 800 x 480). Preferably higher than the retina display
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Hell i am leaving my n1 for this mang! Well not leaving but getting.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/samsung-galaxy-tab-preview/
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The Tab, looks really nice, it has everything i could possibly want in a tablet, however I was planning on waiting for the Tegra2 line of Android Tablets. Hopefully they will run just as flawless as the Tab.
Im sorry but 1ghz ftw!
If it comes with HDMI I might get one. It's hard with T-Mobile because they rarely get really nice phones like this so I may get it regardless.
Hello,
Running ICS (assuming with update)
Anyone use either or both? I was leaning towards the Nexus vs Amaze and now its either the note or nexus.
Ti omap vs exynos
The note has a slightly edge on screen rez?
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http://www.google.com/cse?q=galaxy+...O-8859-1#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=galaxy note or nexus
I chose the Note because it has better hardware than than the Nexus. Just look at the CPU, GPU, and screen. For me the Note is a perfect phone because I use it mainly for web browsing, gaming, and watching live video. The advantage the Nexus has is ICS, which we will eventually get.
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http://www.google.com/cse?q=galaxy+...O-8859-1#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=galaxy note or nexus
I chose the Note because it has better hardware than than the Nexus. Just look at the CPU, GPU, and screen. For me the Note is a perfect phone because I use it mainly for web browsing, gaming, and watching live video. The advantage the Nexus has is ICS, which we will eventually get.
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Damn. I guess its not coming to tmobile /sigh
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Hello,
Running ICS (assuming with update)
Anyone use either or both? I was leaning towards the Nexus vs Amaze and now its either the note or nexus.
Ti omap vs exynos
The note has a slightly edge on screen rez?
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note has a notable edge on screen res. on top of having extra 80 lines (1280x800 vs 1280x720), the nexus also loses lines of resolution due to its on screen buttons, which reduces the resolution of the nexus to something like 1196x720.
note also has more processing power. i had a motorola atrix and upgraded to a galaxy note. despite the note having to run at a much higher resolution, it was still producing a much higher framerate compared to the atrix. the omap isnt that quick compared to the exynos chipset.
but im just going on technicalities here. i havent tried the nexus yet, but if the nexus was available 2 weeks earlier, i probably would have a nexus instead of a note. in the end, both are awesome phones, and both will get ICS (although the note might not see it till january). its just a matter of whether or not you can wait.
I think Note is the best one ,
Best resolution
Best Screen Size (not comfortable for all)
Best CPU
Best GPU
My choice is the Note, as mentioned above the PowerVR graphics in the Galaxy Nexus is quite a bit slower than the Mali-400 in the Note/S2 despite the higher resolution. Also the Note gets a bigger battery while the Galaxy Nexus is much the same as the S2.
A big deal breaker on the Galaxy Nexus for me is the lack of micro SD expansion, with such a fantastic screen for video and prices relatively low for 32GB cards the microSD slot is pretty handy.
John
Note +
Hardware
Screen Size & Resolution
Expandable Memory
Nexus +
ICS
Overall Size
Design
The lack of sd card in the Nexus and weaker hardware meant I went for the Note and I don't regret it. ICS on the Note should be awesome because there is definitely room for improvement in the software department for the Note, it isn't as smooth as my S2 was when scrolling though menus.
imho: Nexus = Absolutely NOGO !
Agree Johnmcl7:
A big deal breaker on the Galaxy Nexus for me is the lack of micro SD expansion, with such a fantastic screen for video and prices relatively low for 32GB cards the microSD slot is pretty handy.
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In my case, I use a huge amount( up to 30 GB and more )of offline RasterMaps for Navigation in regions not covered by Navtech/Teleatlas Vmaps , for this reason expandable storage is essential .
Ostentible SGN supports 64GB SDHC ...
If the Nexus would have a SDSlot , I would have spoilt for choice
When updated to ISC the SGN will have only advantages !
I thought I had misread it when I saw the Galaxy Nexus was lacking a micro SD slot but unfortunately it's true.
How do the cameras compare? I know the Galaxy Nexus is 3MP down but that on its own doesn't mean anything.
John
Have you read the Note and Nexus reviews over at Engadget? If no, it's a good idea.
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I find myself completely uninterested in the nexus. Ics is nice but I can wait for it.
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I find myself completely uninterested in the nexus. Ics is nice but I can wait for it.
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same here..
and thats why i bought a galaxy note
Dont go into Note section to ask for question like this, because most of the answers will be pretty obvious. And you dont mind if I add 1 more. Note has the best specs, but if you cant wait for ICS, go for Nexus, it's the only thing that brings the Note down.
Note without a doubt. I was interested in the Nexus back when I had an SGS2 but as soon as I learned of the Note (bigger screen, same GPU as SGS2, faster CPU and expandable microSD) I knew it was the one for me and not Nexus. Nexus has too many compromises to be worth it for anyone but a developer.
Of course note.
The note has everything the nexus has and a larger screen in addition.
16gb just doesn't cut it. And now I am used to the size of the note I'm not sure I could ever go back. Its pushing my ipad aside too.
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I like the larger screen for emailing and surfing.
I dislike those soft buttons on the Nexus, they don't look appealing to me and I like having hard buttons.
So it was a no-brainer.
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
So Here's my plan (this is actually how I got the cash to get the N1, albeit an iPhone 4)
Buy a iPhone 4S through At&t for $150 (refurb)
Sell it on ebay for ~$450-500
End up with an excess ~$350
Sell my N1 for ~$100
~$450 total
I can then make up the difference out of my own pocket
$500 is also roughly the amount the Galaxy Nexus is unsubsidized.
The One X looks like an amazing phone. However, the one that will be offered through At&t will be dual core 1.5GHZ, which is still better than the Galaxy Nexus' dual 1.2GHZ. However, if I'm going to have this phone for the next 2 years, it's going to be kick-ass, so I would go with the international tegra 3 quad core One X being offered unsubsidized. Right now that will run more more that $500 surely, but I'll be getting a monster.
I'm also extremely impressed with the community for Nexus devices. The ability to flash countless ROM's is a convenience I wish all phones could have, and something I do quite often. I know HTC has unlock-able bootloaders now, but I don't think they have as much community support for various ROM's, recovery's, etc. I do love the build quality of HTC devices so much more than Samsung though.
So my question to you all is, should I stay true to the Nexus line and get an extremely solid phone, or go for the One-X with almost 3x as much processing power?
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You never get 100$ for a used nexus one. More like 40~50$. They go new for around 100$
Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
Jack_R1 said:
Read the comparisons between Tegra 3 and MSM8960. The dual-core One X will most likely be more powerful and less battery-eater than Tegra 3 one. The number of cores doesn't equal performance. You can get it through AT&T and that would make your plan much simpler.
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Thanks for that. So would you choose the One XL over the Galaxy Nexus?
I might not be a good example. After a year with Nexus One, mostly running Enomther's ROM (somewhere between AOSP and CM), and trying some CM7, I grew really fond of Sense, especially after using Sense 3 for a while (running Sense 3.5 on my MT4G now). Stock Android has so many stupid quirks and limitations that I can't stand it. Plus, I completely dislike stock ICS look, it's awful IMHO, and I didn't particularly like Gingerbread either, Froyo was much closer to my taste - and Sense reminds me of it. So I would definitely take a phone that can run Sense ROMs over a phone that can't, but as you can see, it's my subjective opinion.
There is one more lesson I learned from Nexus One: user base counts. With Galaxy Nexus, all you get is a new OS 1-2 months ahead, and relatively small user base - while most likely having devs, but also more likely to jump to another, newer phone quite fast. On the other hand, on One X for 1-2 months delay in OS update you'll get more variants - in addition to stock Sense there will be AOSP, CM and MIUI variants like for any other phone, and most of all - you'll probably get A LOT more users, which eventually equals much better support community. Look at Nexus One development versus the good old Desire. If I'd pick Desire back then - I'd still be using it now.
Seems to me the choice is clear.....lol
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Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
Theshawty said:
Wait, what? The HTC One X isn't dual core. It's got a quad core processor.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
This one is for dual core Snapdragon S4, I believe.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Theshawty said:
Dafuq? Why do they make two versions of it?
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Because Tegra3 does not play nicely with LTE.
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XSafire said:
The time has come. The N1 has put up a good fight, and is still fighting to stay up to date, but it's an uphill battle.
So I recently became eligible for a upgrade through At&t. Unfortunately the best Android phone they have to offer right now is the Galaxy S II. I'm the kind of guy who isn't going to drop hundreds of dollars for a phone I will have for 2 years that can't compete in a year.
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http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-ph...wtSlotClick=1-007D1Y!903920-1-1&rel=nofollow#
SGS2, $10 if you buy it today, with two year contract. $100 otherwise... Your plan seems silly.
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Only the international version.
The US version gets a dual core but it's a beast dual core at that.
Benchmarks better than Tegra 3.
You really can't go wrong with it.
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No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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ray3andrei said:
No the tegra 3 still outperforms it in raw power by like 70 percent, but the dual core that i has is a beast no doubt about that
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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Jack_R1 said:
That's according to what benchmark exactly?
Anandtech says you either don't know what you're talking about or can't read charts (or both). Maybe if you mean that dual-core S4 outperforms quad-core Tegra 3 by 70%:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
Seeing these numbers, HTC's decision to go with Tegra3 leaves you thinking, what's wrong with them. The most probable reason is that they had to decide when the CPUs weren't anywhere near ready, and they evaluated them to be more or less equal, and given the marketing hype of Nvidia and a bit earlier arrival, chose it for flagship device. Well, I guess their management is not too happy now to say the least, when the CPUs are out in the wild and the results are on the table, but that also could make AT&T's One X a big hit, like I said.
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I also saw pics of a galaxy nexus cooked and all that kitchen stuff i saw PICS only that doesnt prove anything, i own a transformer prime and its really good but it tends to lag when it switches from companion core to the actual cores, i saw benchmarks where the ram in the one x (s4) completely crushes the ram in the prime which is almost impossible because the ram in the prime runs at twice the clock speed. But it is single channel compared to dual channel in the s4 on paper the tegra 3 is faster.. by a lot ...
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Are you being serious.. do you trust the bull**** on amandtech.... honestly you didnt hold the device in your hands to see how it performs, nor did you see a clip of it being benchmarked. Its impossible how 2 cores 1.5Ghz can beat a quad core 1.6Ghz the the arm in the s4 doesnt give double the performance compared to the arm in tegra 3... seriously, its like comparing an intel core i5 to a amd phenom 2....
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
P.S. It's funny that you assumed that I "didn't hold the device in my hands".
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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Haha....i didnt say a9 did I, you seem to be really pissed dude... show me a vid where the one x gets benchmarked.. and im not a fanboy.. in fact i like my nexus more than my prime..
On paper the tegra 3 is better and even if it uses arm a15mp core it still wouldn't match sorry im done here
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That's only because you don't know a thing about what's in both, how they work and how the Linux kernel above both works. If you manage to read the beginning of the article, you'll see that Krait in S4 is no Cortex A9. Yes, especially in FPU operations, it can double, triple and quadruple the performance of a regular A9, and is generally much faster.
You're resorting to 2nd-grade defense, which could be expected from a Tegra3-based-device owner-fanboy. The benchmarks are just that - benchmarks, and if you're talking "raw power" and giving numbers - back them up with raw data, which benchmarks are (more or less objective, but it's not the point here). Otherwise just say "I own a Tegra3 device and it performs fine, and I have no idea what dual-core Krait performs like, because I never saw one". There's nothing else you can possibly say. "Impossible"? Says who?
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If i look at thr quadrant benchmark it gets 8500, on my prime i get 11000.. so the t3 is faster.. sorry
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I would choose the nexus only because of the screen, stock ics, and 1st to get updates, anything else go for the one x regardless of the version you get
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Looking for a fully featured 7 tablet, that I will be using for web browsing, gaming (intense ones ) and studying.
Planning on using this device for a couple of years before replacing I am assuming 3 to 4 years?
Our family currently has the Tab 2 7.0 and I reckon it's a bit sluggish, is the Nexus 7 exceptionally smooth?
Should I get it?
It's a Nexus device so will be supported for a couple of years at least with the latest and greatest Android.
It will already be a upgrade from the Tab, as it runs Jellybean.
Nothing in the world is future-proof more than a few years (notable exception being my PS3, which is stil bang upto date despite being bought in 2006).
In terms of processing-power it's right up there with the Nexus 4 and the Galaxy SIII, so you're not looking at problems playing games in the near future.
Also, you got an active development community for the device, so even if Google decides to not support the tablet with new versions of Android, you can still keep up to date with what the devs are pumping out.
I've been using mine almost all the time when i'm not sitting in front of my rig, and it has never let me down.
I might say it is likely to be future proof for at least 2 years. It has the hardware, and Google is known to support their nexus line for quite a while. My guess is that it will be in the front line of the upcoming key lime pie update tier.
It's not really possibly to future proof a device until performance can only be increased by a change in architecture, and even then only marginally, much like in the pc category.
Software wise it's a nexus, it will rule the roost for 2-3 upgrades
Hardware wise I'll give it till the new Tegra 4, snapdragon 800 and the exynos 5 octa come out
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It's not really possibly to future proof a device until performance can only be increased by a change in architecture, and even then only marginally, much like in the pc category.
Software wise it's a nexus, it will rule the roost for 2-3 upgrades
Hardware wise I'll give it till the new Tegra 4, snapdragon 800 and the exynos 5 octa come out
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I know that the new chips introduced at CES 2013 are a few times more powerfull than the Tegra 3. What I ment was that future apps and games will work OK for 2 years. The average life span of a phone and table is 2 years, if it's a flagship device at the time you make the purchase. And the thing is if you fear buying a new device just because it's not future proof, you'll end up never buying anything. 200 dollars isn't a lot of money for what you're getting with this tablet.
Re: How future proof is the Nexus 70
I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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The N7 is faster than a Tab, its processors clock at 1.3 GHz and in terms of build quality i'd say they are on equal levels.
I know there are a few stories out there about screen lift on early batches of the N7, but since I can only speak from personal experience, I can say that the build quality of mine is exceptional.
OptimusLove said:
I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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You probably shouldn't try to provide an answer when you don't know what you're talking about. The nexus 7 is a 1.2ghz quad core processor, tab 2 is 1ghz dual core, not the same. As for apps Samsung forces on users, there's always plenty of alternatives on the play store.
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CrazyPeter said:
It's a Nexus device so will be supported for a couple of years at least with the latest and greatest Android.
It will already be a upgrade from the Tab, as it runs Jellybean.
Nothing in the world is future-proof more than a few years (notable exception being my PS3, which is stil bang upto date despite being bought in 2006).
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I hope so. I just bought one off of Ebay and I'm waiting on delivery. I'm a little skeptical of the performance of the N7. I have a SG3 that has higher Quadrant scores, so I hope it has enough processing power to go beyond KLP.
If I were you, I wouldn't give a rats ass about Quadrant scores, as they usually say jack-s**t about the speed or usability of a device.
Same deal with PC-Benchmarks really, they are a marketing tool to get you to buy new hardware.
2 years for a 250$ device seems like more than enough to say that it paid for itself. Most probably the games development will skyrocket, better specs will be required, better screens, more storage space. So, as I said, for me 2 years is a good estimate.
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If I were you, I wouldn't give a rats ass about Quadrant scores, as they usually say jack-s**t about the speed or usability of a device.
Same deal with PC-Benchmarks really, they are a marketing tool to get you to buy new hardware.
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Greed, that's is what i bought one.
I bought my wife a TF300 several months ago, it is on par with the N7's performance but the N7 cost almost half the price.
IAmNice said:
Its a 1.3 GHz quad core.
Just buy it. It should be future proof for at least 1 year. Its cheap anyways
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It's a 1.2 quad core, 1.3 is single core mode.
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95Z28 said:
It's a 1.2 quad core, 1.3 is single core mode.
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Um. What? It's a quad core 1.3ghz. The companion core is is 500Mhz.
let me put this in perspective... technology changes at a rapid rate. since the n7's release just 6 months, there are now a few devices that outperform it in games (the galaxy note 2 is a great example). play some intense games like need for speed on the n7 and galaxy note 2 and you will see how laggy the n7 can get compared to other devices. the n7 is already becoming an outdated device, hardware-wise. games will only become more demanding, they're not gonna just hit a plateau for two years or wait until the n7 has had a good shelf life. games are already lagging on the n7. if you want something future proof for the next year or two, then good luck, that will never happen with tablets because of the growing rate of the software market. your best bet is to buy the latest and greatest when it's released. that's the only way to "futureproof" yourself.
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Its a 1.3 GHz quad core.
Just buy it. It should be future proof for at least 1 year. Its cheap anyways
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maybe not..
http://www.nu.nl/gadgets/3016117/asus-maakt-tweede-nexus-7-tablet.html
or in english: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130128PD222.html
it depends on when google wil release the next nexus 7.
OptimusLove said:
I'd prefer u get the tab 2 rather than the nexus 7. Since the tab has a better build quality, screen.
Both are 1ghz and 1gb ram, so no comparison there.
And Samsung has apps like Memo, s Suggest, etc,
But in terns of futureproofing the Nexus 7 fits well
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Wrong on so many levels. Is this why you wanted to hang out in here even though you don't have a N7?
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cnstarz said:
let me put this in perspective... technology changes at a rapid rate. since the n7's release just 6 months, there are now a few devices that outperform it in games (the galaxy note 2 is a great example). play some intense games like need for speed on the n7 and galaxy note 2 and you will see how laggy the n7 can get compared to other devices. the n7 is already becoming an outdated device, hardware-wise. games will only become more demanding, they're not gonna just hit a plateau for two years or wait until the n7 has had a good shelf life. games are already lagging on the n7. if you want something future proof for the next year or two, then good luck, that will never happen with tablets because of the growing rate of the software market. your best bet is to buy the latest and greatest when it's released. that's the only way to "futureproof" yourself.
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This is contrary to everything I read about the tab 2 before buying my N7. Almost every reviewer complained about the Tab 2 being noticeably slower than the N7 in gaming.
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This is contrary to everything I read about the tab 2 before buying my N7. Almost every reviewer complained about the Tab 2 being noticeably slower than the N7 in gaming.
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i never mention the Galaxy Tab 2 in my post.
It's a Nexus device, so it will be supported going forward for quite a while, and since it is easy to unlock, the developer community will support it for quite a while.
It probably won't be the best gaming device in 2 years, since that pushes hardware well beyond most other tasks, but if it starts to get a bit slower, you can always push the clocks. It seems most of the N7s will push the cores to 1.4 or 1.5 without any issues, and 1.6 is doable for burst before hitting thermal limits, with some chips able to run even faster. The GPU pushes quite well too.
I'd fully suggest one as a reasonably future-proof device. Plus, they'll likely still resell for $50-$100 in 2 years, which means you're paying $50-$75/yr for a Nexus device. That's pretty good.
Hi guys,
I'm considering buying a new phone. I am interested in Note 2. But it is out of budget. Do you guys think, Note 1 is viable option? I want a phone that works. I am absolutely pissed at my current phone. It lags.
I want to know if it is a good option to buy Note 1 in 2013? Does games run smoothly? And last, how is the developer support?
Thanks for taking time to read it. Looking forward for replies.
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Firstly, this is a question so it should go in the Q&A section. But whatever.
Secondly, regarding your question.
You're complaining about how your phone is laggy and after following this thread for a while, I wouldn't recommend getting the Note for a "lag-free" phone.
Here's why:
Darren Moffatt said:
Screen Resolution will always have an impact on performance. The more pixels to display, the harder the GPU has to work. Given the note has a significantly higher resolution than the Galaxy S2 while running the same GPU (and pretty much the same hardware overall), its unlikely you'll see the same graphics performance between the two devices.
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vegetables said:
They got the same chipset, and that's exactly the problem, that's why the note is always laggy unlike the incredible smoothness on S2 , you r comparing:
- 480 x 800 pixels, 4.3 inches (~217 ppi pixel density) ~> S2
TO
- 800 x 1280 pixels, 5.3 inches (~285 ppi pixel density) ~> Note 1
How could the same chipset handle bigger screen, higher resolution and more ppi ?
And even with CM kernel, it even laggs more and more
The solution? ~> buy Note 2 xD
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If you're looking for a phone that doesn't lag, I would recommend the Nexus 4.
If you're looking for a phone with a big screen, Samsung recently announced the Galaxy Mega series, although they have mid-range specs.
If you're wanting a high-end phone, but aren't willing to pay the high-price tag... well... you get what you pay for.
I was keen on getting Nexus 4 but it's not available in India. Btw, my current phone is Motorola Defy. It's terrible to say the least. All I want to know if it will function lag free in day to day performance and some gaming?
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little-vince said:
Firstly, this is a question so it should go in the Q&A section. But whatever.
Secondly, regarding your question.
You're complaining about how your phone is laggy and after following this thread for a while, I wouldn't recommend getting the Note for a "lag-free" phone.
Here's why:
If you're looking for a phone that doesn't lag, I would recommend the Nexus 4.
If you're looking for a phone with a big screen, Samsung recently announced the Galaxy Mega series, although they have mid-range specs.
If you're wanting a high-end phone, but aren't willing to pay the high-price tag... well... you get what you pay for.
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i dont really understand the " buy note 2 " thing. because it has the same gpu as the note 1.
note 1 is still a worthy device to have because at present it can run every app that is in the play store.
but soon it will not be enough.
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No!
rashsalmn said:
Hi guys,
I'm considering buying a new phone. I am interested in Note 2. But it is out of budget. Do you guys think, Note 1 is viable option? I want a phone that works. I am absolutely pissed at my current phone. It lags.
I want to know if it is a good option to buy Note 1 in 2013? Does games run smoothly? And last, how is the developer support?
Thanks for taking time to read it. Looking forward for replies.
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For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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I'm glad you said "For me".
Dual Core is a great asset in a phone, just like in PCs when they first hit, but Quad Core hasn't really had the same impact, and won't for some time (IMHO). Phones are still not multitaskers from a user point of view; we can only have one app on screen at any one time (other than some phones that allow two, including the Note 1). So you could argue that the app that has the focus takes one core, and background tasks take the other (although it is a little more complicated than that). Most apps are not multithreaded either, so there are few benefits to more than 2 cores. Web browsers, for example, are mostly single threaded.
The newer phones tend to be quicker / slicker in real world use more because of the refinements in the CPU core, better GPU and (to a lesser extent) faster speeds. Whether you see improvements from 2GB of RAM over 1GB is purely subjective and depends on individual use patterns. Increased CPU speed only helps for, to be generous, about 20% of time when the phone is in use. Less than 5% overall.
And the arguements that the Note 1 is slower than the S2 were also true when the Note 1 was brand new, which didn't stop it selling extrememly well! That arugement is flawed.
The bottom line, for the OP, is "How much?". Comparisons shouldn't be made between the Note 1 and the Note 2, nor with any newer phone with a Quad Core CPU and 2GB of RAM, they are in different price brackets. Comparisons should be made to phones in the same price bracket, the age of a device is irrelevant (for now). Depending on how cheaply the Note 1 can be bought for, that might make it a very good prospect.
I personally find the 'lower' resolution of the Note 1 to be fine, and I really appreciate that it is 16x10 rather than 16x9 in aspect ratio.
However, it is an older phone and I doubt Samsung will release any more updates for it after the recent 4.1.2. Developer support is very strong, though, and custom ROMs are getting better and better as the Exynos chipset is exploited more and more in the open source drivers. The Note 1 running SuperNexus or SlimBean is really quite slick. And if you want some of the stock Samsung Apps then Cassies ROM is great for getting rid of the bloat.
Out here in Qatar, the Note 1 is still for sale, but is more expensive than the Nexus 4 is in the UK (excluding flight costs!). The Nexus 4 is a stunning phone. So it all comes down to cost and availability of other phones.
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I'm glad you said "For me".
Dual Core is a great asset in a phone, just like in PCs when they first hit, but Quad Core hasn't really had the same impact, and won't for some time (IMHO). Phones are still not multitaskers from a user point of view; we can only have one app on screen at any one time (other than some phones that allow two, including the Note 1). So you could argue that the app that has the focus takes one core, and background tasks take the other (although it is a little more complicated than that). Most apps are not multithreaded either, so there are few benefits to more than 2 cores. Web browsers, for example, are mostly single threaded.
The newer phones tend to be quicker / slicker in real world use more because of the refinements in the CPU core, better GPU and (to a lesser extent) faster speeds. Whether you see improvements from 2GB of RAM over 1GB is purely subjective and depends on individual use patterns. Increased CPU speed only helps for, to be generous, about 20% of time when the phone is in use. Less than 5% overall.
And the arguements that the Note 1 is slower than the S2 were also true when the Note 1 was brand new, which didn't stop it selling extrememly well! That arugement is flawed.
The bottom line, for the OP, is "How much?". Comparisons shouldn't be made between the Note 1 and the Note 2, nor with any newer phone with a Quad Core CPU and 2GB of RAM, they are in different price brackets. Comparisons should be made to phones in the same price bracket, the age of a device is irrelevant (for now). Depending on how cheaply the Note 1 can be bought for, that might make it a very good prospect.
I personally find the 'lower' resolution of the Note 1 to be fine, and I really appreciate that it is 16x10 rather than 16x9 in aspect ratio.
However, it is an older phone and I doubt Samsung will release any more updates for it after the recent 4.1.2. Developer support is very strong, though, and custom ROMs are getting better and better as the Exynos chipset is exploited more and more in the open source drivers. The Note 1 running SuperNexus or SlimBean is really quite slick. And if you want some of the stock Samsung Apps then Cassies ROM is great for getting rid of the bloat.
Out here in Qatar, the Note 1 is still for sale, but is more expensive than the Nexus 4 is in the UK (excluding flight costs!). The Nexus 4 is a stunning phone. So it all comes down to cost and availability of other phones.
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I agree with you up to a certain extent. However I wish to raise the following points-
Dual cores are not as efficient as quad cores.
As you say, RAM is subjective but 2 GB will give better results than 1 GB.
I don't like the 16:10 aspect ratio
Exynos chipset won't be exploited any more - developers are steadily leaving the Exynos chipsets behind and moving on to Qualcomm chipsets.
Yes, there will be just one more update to 4.2.2 and then Samsung will drop support.
Out here in India, Nexus 4 isn't even available officially.
@op I wouldn't buy this phone if I were you. Get something from the newer generation or get the note2 secondhand when the note 3 comes out - doubtless there will be more than one idiot willing to throw away a perfectly good phone for the latest and greatest.
However if you want a phone that 'just works' and developer support is important then go for a Sony.
What am I getting ? The next nexus. But that's because I'm a flashaholic !
BUY ONE! I skipped the note 2 as we have no 4g. Quad cores only give 60%more processing power not double. I over clocked mine to1.6gig.
I'm vv happy with it still. You should skip a generation as the tec is good for two years. Phone makers want you to up date every year.
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BUY ONE! I skipped the note 2 as we have no 4g. Quad cores only give 60%more processing power not double. I over clocked mine to1.6gig.
I'm vv happy with it still. You should skip a generation as the tec is good for two years. Phone makers want you to up date every year.
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It will be two years this October....
warfareonly said:
Exynos chipset won't be exploited any more - developers are steadily leaving the Exynos chipsets behind and moving on to Qualcomm chipsets.!
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I'm not sure that's the case. The Exynos 4 is still in current hardware, such as the S3, Note 2 and Note 8. The Exynos 5 is in the Nexus 10 and is expected to show up in the S4 at some point. All of these devices have a huge amount of aftermarket dev support.
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Dual cores are not as efficient as quad cores.
As you say, RAM is subjective but 2 GB will give better results than 1 GB.
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Again, we need to compare on price, not hardware specs. I don't know how much the Note sells for in India, but compare that with what's available in the same price bracket. The Note cannot now compete with the latest and greatest, nor the previous top models perhaps, but I'm sure it would fair very well indeed against the current mid-range crop.
As for the Dual / Quad core arguement, check what Anand says when he reviews the Note 8 and talks about Multiview:
Here’s where having four cores actually can make a difference.
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Meaning that in general 4 cores are not really any more useful than 2 unless you have something that specifically can benefit.
wait for note 3
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RockstarGamer said:
For me No! Because now smartphones requires atleast Quad Core Processor With 2GB..... NOTE Became Average Phone B'coz it has Dual Core Processor ...
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While your net decision is agreeable, the logic you provided for it is full of misnomers. The 'more cores and more RAM' theory doesn't work that way. Buying a phone with that logic is just plain ignorance. A dual core phone can still do wonders if the materials are right. An old horse Note1 with 2 exynos cores can do a lot more than a new phone with 4 MedaTek cores. And RAM is pretty much useless without proper optimizations on both s/w and h/w fronts.
To the OP - It is an old phone, reaching two years in Oct. And it was first designed to run Gingerbread so we have come a long way already in terms of support. So you are gonna drop 26-27K on a phone that is great but would not be officially supported for very long. Plus it should see significant drop in prices when the Note 3 comes out (the trade value of the phone will be peanuts compared to what you would pay for it now).
However, on the plus side you would get an excellent phone. With proper care and the help pf XDA resources you would not need official support. We should easily see Key Lime Pie (Android 5.0) on our notes not long after it comes out. Plus it is an awesome device, did I say?? And for ~26K, the alternatives are mid-range phones that just can't match up.
If I were you, I would buy a pre-owned Note 1 (or a Xolo A800 which I must admit is quite nice and cheap). Then when it comes out, get a brand new Note 3.
rxpaul said:
While your net decision is agreeable, the logic you provided for it is full of misnomers. The 'more cores and more RAM' theory doesn't work that way. Buying a phone with that logic is just plain ignorance. A dual core phone can still do wonders if the materials are right. An old horse Note1 with 2 exynos cores can do a lot more than a new phone with 4 MedaTek cores. And RAM is pretty much useless without proper optimizations on both s/w and h/w fronts.
To the OP - It is an old phone, reaching two years in Oct. And it was first designed to run Gingerbread so we have come a long way already in terms of support. So you are gonna drop 26-27K on a phone that is great but would not be officially supported for very long. Plus it should see significant drop in prices when the Note 3 comes out (the trade value of the phone will be peanuts compared to what you would pay for it now).
However, on the plus side you would get an excellent phone. With proper care and the help pf XDA resources you would not need official support. We should easily see Key Lime Pie (Android 5.0) on our notes not long after it comes out. Plus it is an awesome device, did I say?? And for ~26K, the alternatives are mid-range phones that just can't match up.
If I were you, I would buy a pre-owned Note 1 (or a Xolo A800 which I must admit is quite nice and cheap). Then when it comes out, get a brand new Note 3.
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I M Talking about NOTE II Not Craps with Mediatek Chipsets
IMHO if u dont' already own a Note 1, u should go for the Note 2, or wait for Note 3 =)
♡ for my note. Its my personal computing device and my diary and album
Get any note device and you will be a happy person.
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