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[THINK TANK] Now that there is Nexus, what about the Dream?

Ok Now that there is a Nexus One, there is fewer developers for the G1, some have moved on to the droid explicitly and other hardware, so I predict the development for the G1 will probably cease within a year... Whats next for the G1/Mt3g?
I think it would be a good idea for more collaboration to further optimize these roms, I think cyanogen, wesgarner, daproy, dwang htcclay, and benbuchacher should collaborate more, create an extremely fast "base rom" and save all the extra features as addon's... What do you think?
How can we push this year old Phone to its max?
How else can we tweak this baby?
How else can we optimize ram usage, disk io, and cpu?
I heard a while back the camera has dedicated ram, can we tap into that?
Can we overclock this baby? Here is an interesting thread
Lets push this to its limit, please share your ideas

get a Milestone...?

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get a Milestone...?
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defconoi said:
Ok Now that there is a Nexus One, I see allot of the rom developers for dream/mt3g have not updated their roms in a while... Whats next for the G1/Mt3g?
How can we push this year old Phone to its max?
How else can we tweak this baby?
How else can we optimize ram usage, disk io, and cpu?
I heard a while back the camera has dedicated ram, can we tap into that?
Can we overclock this baby? Here is an interesting thread
Lets push this to its limit, please share your ideas
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Pardon me, but what the hell are you talking about, and why is this thread needed? Where do you get off saying the developers haven't been updating their ROMs in awhile? It's been at most ONE DAY since we last saw a ROM update. Are you serious? Relax.
Also, this is not a solid idea worthy of a THINK TANK. Sorry.

defconoi said:
Ok Now that there is a Nexus One, I see allot of the rom developers for dream/mt3g have not updated their roms in a while... Whats next for the G1/Mt3g?
How can we push this year old Phone to its max?
How else can we tweak this baby?
How else can we optimize ram usage, disk io, and cpu?
I heard a while back the camera has dedicated ram, can we tap into that?
Can we overclock this baby? Here is an interesting thread
Lets push this to its limit, please share your ideas
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Did this really need its own thread? its been less than 12 hours since the last ROM update, Overclocking has been around since before we had hero running on our phones, MODS delete this useless thread

i believe he means pushing past the 528 'maximum' and hitting 768
it can be done, in theory
chip manufacturers just dont recommend it

Cyanogen stated he would continue with Dream/Magic ROMs, along with Nexus updates...

Depending on what else comes out later on, I might get the Nexus One when I'm due for an upgrade based solely on the fact that I read you can gain root using a built-in command intentionally put there by Google.

I think that what he says is true, most of the devs are moving to Nexus or the Droid...there are few that still dev for G1/MyTouch...i predict about 6 more months of developing, then the G1 is going to be out of the game...
But dont panic, just enjoy the next couple of months with your G1, and start saving for buying a Nexus or a Droid

djluis48 said:
I think that what he says is true, most of the devs are moving to Nexus or the Droid...there are few that still dev for G1/MyTouch...i predict about 6 more months of developing, then the G1 is going to be out of the game...
But dont panic, just enjoy the next couple of months with you G1, and start saving for buying a Nexus or a Droid
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indeed... so I think all the current dev's working on the G1 still should collaborate more instead of working on 10 different G1 roms, I think we should focus on optimization mainly, and collaborate with cyanogen on his github etc..

how about letting them do what they want. they don't owe us anything. we're lucky to have rockin ppl like them who bless us with their hard work in their spare time. i'm looking forward to the X10 and beyond and probably wont update until bluetooth 3.0 gets implemented. There are many choices that have optimized android to its limit till this point and will continue until ~~~ the end of time ~~~ and they do collaborate now, along with all of the other devs that are contributing their mods to all of the "flashables" out there. I see android getting to the point that we(the end user), will be able to piece together and skin our own roms easily and quickly. these are the trailblazers...

I like having all the different people making what they want... Everybody likes a little something different. Personally from what I have seen, usually someone finds something, then the other rom devs incorporate which ever parts they deem useful for the direction they want to take. Just my .02c though.

[Request] DATA2EXT

So this is basically awesome.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859419
This thread seems like it could be helpful http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=864174
Can it be ported to our phones?
I think if we could get this working everyone would most likely be grateful.
Let me know what everyone thinks. Im just throwing the idea and hopefully inspiration out there to try and get this working.

i was looking at it a while back, didnt really take a lot of time at it though. ill check into it a bit more, see what i can do

Thanks man its appriciated I see your doing alot for the forum now so im just throwing out a good work.

if this gives us a huge speed increase on the stock htc kernel with its battery life and quick charge time, it'd be tit.

Yea personally my phone lags out more then id like. Usually its when texting which i assume is because i use a 3rd party app and because i usually have a few thousand texts in my inbox but still any kind of boost without sacrificing battery would be AWESOME.

Gahh Its Lee said:
Yea personally my phone lags out more then id like. Usually its when texting which i assume is because i use a 3rd party app and because i usually have a few thousand texts in my inbox but still any kind of boost without sacrificing battery would be AWESOME.
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yea but to be honest, i dont think there is such thing as a completely smooth sense rom. i mean skyraider and frankenrom were close with a good kernel but i think if we got this to work to take a load off the UI/system it would be alot smoother, no little "glitches" or hiccups ya kno

Even if it's not 100% smooth if it helps without the need of overclocking well that's just great
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C4H1LL said:
yea but to be honest, i dont think there is such thing as a completely smooth sense rom. i mean skyraider and frankenrom were close with a good kernel but i think if we got this to work to take a load off the UI/system it would be alot smoother, no little "glitches" or hiccups ya kno
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That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I never get lag, not sure what you are doing to yours but your are definitely doing something wrong. I have had Droid 1 users comment on how smooth the Incredible was compared to the Droid.
I am running stock rom which I deodexed and zipaligned and removed verizon bloat from. I also delete texts before they get 1000+ long. I never understood wht people kept them that long, blackmail later on?
I would love to see this on the Incredible though, I actually came looking to see if anyone was working on this.

if what I'm reading is correct, this might be the best performance tweak that could make roms truly fly.
I certainly would appreciate it tremendously.
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Cyanogen just tweeted they will support no phones with this. Why is that? Is this a bad hack or something?
But the speed increase looks phenomenal! I'd be down for this in ROMs.
Droid Incredible Rooted!

Seems to basically do what voodoo does for galaxy s phones.
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Well it seems like porting it is tricky in the second link I posted it says how the phone doesn't wanna act right after a reboot. Hmm well maybe we will get lucky and get this working on our phones.
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So only r2does is willing to tackle this?
Hmm I really thought people would be more excited.

no sure if im going to have a chance any time soon though, busy with the GRH build, plus i got finals next week.
people may not be interested because it doesnt seem like theres a large following. CM already said that d2ext will recieve NO support from him or his team.

Did the cm team say why they would not support this? Is it too much different work for each device and thus not easy to develop as a common rom?
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Per @cyanogen
Using the data2ext hack on CM ROMs will get you no support from us. You have been warned

Well this is the forbidden hack now
I dont mind waiting but i dont see why people arent excited i mean this would seemingly get rid of the need to overclock and with your phones which have very well known bad battery life that seems amazing to me.

fader01 said:
That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I never get lag, not sure what you are doing to yours but your are definitely doing something wrong. I have had Droid 1 users comment on how smooth the Incredible was compared to the Droid.
I am running stock rom which I deodexed and zipaligned and removed verizon bloat from. I also delete texts before they get 1000+ long. I never understood wht people kept them that long, blackmail later on?
I would love to see this on the Incredible though, I actually came looking to see if anyone was working on this.
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I came from a Droid 1 and yea huge difference but its COMPPETELY smooth... I don't keep a million texts and for the most part it is smooth but you do have to admit you get an occaisional hiccup or the lock screen slider isn't too smooth idk I love it wayyyyyy better than any other phone ui though
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Yeah, just like they probably won't support ROMs that have any sort of other mod of their ROM... and with good reason. You wouldn't support something you made if someone else screwed it up by adding a bunch of modifications or changing system files.
Gingerbread ROMs are going to be worthless until the source drops or a ROM leaks from another phone anyway. Why not work on something worth while in the mean time instead of something that's going to be completely abandoned in a month or so?

He went on to say later that the reason that they would not be supporting it is that #1 it is his belief that it is a benchmark hack, with no other use. #2 If you move the data partition to the SD (or better yet, we have 8gb of internal storage, which is probably faster transfers) when you try to wipe between roms, you leave a bunch of garbage behind and possibly have issues. Then the *****ing starts and everybody thinks it's because of your rom, but really it was just that the whole partition didn't get wiped.

[POLL] Which rom?

Hey Yall, I'm a longtime cappy user,
Have had a couple already but I have moved on to the Atrix, great phone btw,
But the cappy still holds a special place for me. Anyhow, I would like to get everyone's help in deciding roms for my Dad and Wife, Which I'm giving cappy's to as presents.
Now The main reason is that I would like to keep in touch using the gtalk voice application. (I travel alot and this is very usefull when I'm abroad).
So , in you guys oppinion, what would be the best ROM for people who don't mess with the phones and just want them to work and being able to use 2.3+
Thanks
Gabe

its all about personal preference. cant really have a 3rd party tell em whats best for them. threads like this gets closed quickly.wth that said already, there's stock 2.3.3 KF1 for i897. i think stock is best for non-phonemodders

Yeah, I tend to agree with that stock would be best. But the thing is that I think google talk voice and video capabilities are dependant on it being 2.3.4 or +.I'm not sure,
Basically I would like to know about the roms that aren't as jumpy as other. Because As I Agree with it being a personal user problem, whn my fam have phne problems it usually falls in my lap.
Thanks,
PS: I hope this tread dosen't get closed as fast as you say, I figure it's the Q/A forum, if it cant be posted here, where can it, right?

gabloco said:
PS: I hope this tread dosen't get closed as fast as you say, I figure it's the Q/A forum, if it cant be posted here, where can it, right?
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They are looked down upon. Each developer puts their own time and hard work in to their roms. And having whoever say this one is best and that one sucks is not called for. Because everyone has their own opinions and no two are the same. Same for every rom they have their differences. which people may like and may not like.
Is why i look down on best rom threads.

I respect that.
I have hoped to have worded differently where What I meant was:
The ROM that has been toughly tested, and isn't dependent of users expertise on CPU OC, Configuration Files, Knowledge of ROOT explorer, SQL Browsers, ETC. (under the hood stuff)
Something that doesn't necessarily offer all the configurations options, that might get someone in trouble, that also offers the current latest android subversion.
I guess it's too much of a complicated question for a just simple yes or no.
So I guess I'll just find myself content in have asked.

I ment no harm in my comment but,
If you don't want them messing with so so or having this or that as an option then just leave them on stock like CremeFraiche had said (And maybe with lag fix kernel, if its still around) or teach them (if they are willing to learn) what stuff means, dose, and how it works. They in turn can decide on what they would want to suit them best.
I hope some of this can help you out

gabloco said:
Hey Yall, I'm a longtime cappy user,
Have had a couple already but I have moved on to the Atrix, great phone btw,
But the cappy still holds a special place for me. Anyhow, I would like to get everyone's help in deciding roms for my Dad and Wife, Which I'm giving cappy's to as presents.
Now The main reason is that I would like to keep in touch using the gtalk voice application. (I travel alot and this is very usefull when I'm abroad).
So , in you guys oppinion, what would be the best ROM for people who don't mess with the phones and just want them to work and being able to use 2.3+
Thanks
Gabe
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I think a great fit for ur Dad and wife would be Cognition 5 v1.00
Based on the leaked I897UCKF1 Gingerbread 2.3.3

MIUI definately!!!!!
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I would say Apex 8.2 or Serendipity 7

As far as GB ROMs go, I've only tried Apex. I liked it, it has good performance and runs pretty smooth. I haven't gotten around to trying out the other GB ROMs yet so I can't say anything about them. However a rooted ROM might not be the best to go with for them. Both of my parents got Captivates so I could be their goto guy for instruction and debug. I think giving them a Rooted phone is just asking for additional trouble. I think a stock ROM with a nice theme (if you want them to be a little different) is the way to go for them.

Now I understand why people don't like android...

Hello all, I know this will sound like a rant against the phone but in reality I just want to know if others share my opinion or if I'm alone on this one thus making the "problem" me.
I recently bought an HTC sensation 4g and I have a problem called companies customizations!
My problem with sense is that it has tons of apps that I don't need: ereader, stock; or other that I need but are bloated: weather.
It's probably a seller to see big cloud on such a great screen, but on the long run I wished it opened up immediately with the hourly forecast and less fullscreen animation to drain battery.
I heard a lot of my friends that didn't like android (mostly hated samsung or htc) and I never understood why. My nexus one with stock android wasn't the prettiest phone to look at (compared to iphone) but with some customization it was quick, usable and provided more functions than pretty graphics. But now I know! With loads of extra useless apps and their contents or awkward design choices (like the not very friendly coverflow looking thing to choose backgrounds and such). Yesterday I heard from my friend that his girlfriend galaxy s came with avatar and they had a long struggle trying to remove it from the phone sd card because they didn't care about it. When I checked the phone the avatar icon was still there since they're not very tech-savvy.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate my phone, the hardware is great, the screen is better than I expected, I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery. Apple doesn't do that and there's a reason "normal" people tend to pick up an iphone so quickly.
I wish there was an official way to ask companies to make all this stuff optional! Please don't think that I have it with HTC or sense, I'm referencing sense because that's what I experienced this problem with. Let me know what you think maybe if others have this issue with companies, we could organize a petition or something?

That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies .my Samsung had a heap of unwanted bloatware and service provider crappy useless battery consuming memory hogging apps the best thing i ever did was root this phone no more random reboots battery improved by 50% and everything on the phone is what i want on it not something that the companies think or want you to have on it .So with all that said if you have patients and can do some searching on the xda forums you will find a solution to what you want to achieve on your device .Believe me if you like it now you will love it when you get it the way you want it.
Hope that help .
I moved from iphone 4 to the SGS2.
One thing i know whatever i do to this phone it can be fully restored back to stock and the warranty will still be there providing i don't brick the phone
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Mustoura said:
That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies.
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He said that himself
DBBGBA said:
I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery.
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I could not agree more with the OP. I used Nexus 1 builds on my HD2 for about 8 months and loved it. I've now got a Samsung Galaxy S2 (I just wanted a newer, faster phone, but with the same size screen), and despite being a great phone I found myself longing for that AOSP experience. I tried a couple of AOSP ROMs in the SGS2 forum and breathed a sigh of relief at how much difference they made, but they unfortunatly aren't currently stable enough to use day-in-day-out. So I've recently gone down a different route - MIUI. I've literally only done it today, and so far I'm loving it.
Anyway, I digress. There should be some manufacturers out there that recognise this gap in the market and sell basic Android phones, with no other crap on them. I know Google do that (obviously), but I wish more did the same. People shouldn't have to know how to flash a ROM or root and freeze apps, just to get the best possible basic Android experience available.
Rant over

Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Mustoura said:
Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Heh. I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not the 1st person to comment on a post after not reading it correctly. I reckon in the history of the internet it's happened at least 3 times

Id like to see a major manufacturer do a little experiment on there next big handset.
Supply two different versions, one with there overlay and one aosp fresh from the oven, see which one sells.
I know they are only trying to add functionality to the device but they could at least write there apps properly so they dont cause wakelocks and hog resources, hell there's a whole forum full of very competent developers im sure would be happy to help
@johncmolyneux
off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby

mynamesteve said:
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off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice

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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I was the same meself tried a few out and stuck with Villain, been testing CM out occasionally to see how development is going and very impressed! if i'm not mistaken Miui is based on CM so if thats working for you its party time
the main thread with the download link is in the Q&A thread in Q&A, just so you know
Was rocking Hyperdroid Cm7 on my HD2 too so i know the feeling
I think I just officially hijacked this thread! sorry OP

That's why I have a g2x, pretty much vanilla android. But then again, just take all that crap off yourself or flash a custom rom.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.

Overstew said:
What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!

Overstew said:
What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Not sure you get it Sir!
aosp = stock android = no bloatware
Standard and fast for you to add what YOU want, not have crappy coded apps forced on you that are difficult to remove.
Simples

I agree...
But I think this Operating System Fragmentation is a USA problem. Sure it happens elsewhere. The problem is the carriers use the bloatware and other specialty apps as a revenue stream. So far, Apple is changing that game and Google is doing what it can but with so many handsets and the open nature of Android it's really hard to control. I won't say anything about the closed ecosystem Apple has built vs the Android Market since both have redeeming qualities as well as flaws.
I have 3 phones on my account, all android. All were rooted on first day out of the box and had all that bloatware removed, including Inception which took up too much space on the memory card.
I wish the USA would take the approach found almost everywhere else. You pick your phone, then you pick your carrier. There's lots of great stuff going on elsewhere in the world like NFC, handsets that aren't gimped by the carrier... etc.
Just IMHO.
Cheers

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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it

mynamesteve said:
But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
Rant over
BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!

I have to say, if it wasn't for HTC I wouldn't have an android phone.
Tried a Nexus ROM on my HD2, really hated it. Tried the SGS2, really couldn't get on with it (nice screen though).
I can understand and respect that many people do like aosp, and I'm glad that we have the options available to us.
My stock sensation is fast and sense 3 is lovely and polished.
I really wish carriers (apparently mostly in the US) didn't take a fast phone and turn it into something reportedly sluggish though.

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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
Rant over
BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
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Sadly no it doesnt make it aosp and as the user above pointed out theres a lot of fragmentation in android, manufactures are messing with the core of the system and not just building an overlay/launcher.
Sometimes this works sometimes this doesn't i do feel alot of the resources could be used to better the stock system, better all round compatibility, better drivers and make android better for all there users. but thats like asking for world peace, and im no CEO of a major corp so what do i know
But i know how it works in the real world, i gave my sister my HD2 and she doesnt care what Rom is on there as long as it looks nice and everything is there out the box. (cant believe i gave her the most versitile handset on the planet with that attitude but thats beside the point )
The OS ease is very important to people and i understand that for a non-tecky, i think that is also part of the reason why we cant have stock out the box, the 'mobile market' needs the icon on his device to begin with so the manufacturers try to supply that, but do it very badly.
Phew! sorry about that.

I also much prefer AOSP.
I loved sense on winmo but I absolutely detest the android equivalent.
Touchwiz is just plain vile and as jcm mentioned the SGS2 is lacking that really stable aosp experience....
Luckily though if your unhappy with your phone and need to make changes then your in the right place
No I haven't missed the op's point about wanting more customisation out of the box but I just wanted to make the point that every single resource you need to achieve whatever you want to do with your phone (within reason) is right here under your nose.
I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
Sure I cheated and used a kitchen but hey, gotta start somewhere right.
Anyway I digress, my point is that we can all wish for HTC/samsung etc to start catering for our every need until we are blue in the face but they won't.
Sometimes you just have to roll up you're sleeves and do things for yourself.
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conantroutman said:
I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours

johncmolyneux said:
And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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Actually I very nearly did but you know how many zip file heroes there are in that section. Do we really need another?
That and I'm too lazy to update it for each new firmware that trickles out.
I think I will release one though, probably with a very tongue in cheek OP....
And yes, I and a lot of others had many, many hours of enjoyment from your work so thanks for that
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[Q] ICS or GB?

So earlier this month I hard bricked my captivate playing with bootloaders going from Froyo to GingerBread. Yes...I'm a noob...
The phone got stuck at SBL.bin for over eight hours. Then I pulled the batt and the USB. Then it was game over.
I contacted MobileTechVideo, paid them my money and shipped it off to them.
It got there yesterday. They have had it for 24 hours now....I'm excited to possibly have it back before Xmas...
I paid extra for them to install a rom/upgrade for me.
I'm thinking of going to ICS, but I really use the phone as a Daily Driver and would like something stable.
I'm not asking what rom should I go with. I understand that those threads get locked quickly.
But should I go ICS yet or stay with GingerBread?
Remember, I won't be flashing the rom, MobileTechVideo will be so no worries about messing it up!
My fear is that if I don't get ICS professionally installed now, then I won't be comfortable about flashing it myself later. And I really don't want to miss out...
I'm torn about what todo....

I'm assuming you are getting unbrickable mod, which, what do you think you will screw up if you install a ROM? You are unbrickable.
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Maybe I missed the point, but as a daily driver, I would think you would want something that has a little more track time on a large install base..
I was faced with the same question, and chose to go with one of the leaked ROMs. As much fun as this can be, I need my phone to be working as well...
Good luck with your choice!

Well that's what I was confused about. ICS will act the same weather it's "professionally" installed or I install it. There is no Nexus S source so it's bound to be super buggy regardless.
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ConeyKiller said:
I'm assuming you are getting unbrickable mod, which, what do you think you will screw up if you install a ROM? You are unbrickable.
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Funny you ask....
I originally did ask for the unbrickable mod because 'doesn't that sound good? Who wouldn't want that?'
Then I spent a night reading about it....and changed my mind.
I may be wrong here, but from what I read it's great for a guy who is an expert, runs a linux box and spends his days flashing various rom combinations.
However for a noob, I didn't want to be bothered with holding down the power button for 5 seconds on every boot. And I sure as heck don't have a linux box to get into the unbrickable portion to actually unbrick the thing. It didn't seem to me like a nice easy, 'Here's how to get out of trouble by clicking your heels together three times' item that I need as a noob.
No, it sounds great on paper, but I think in reality if I brick it again for some reason, I'll just pay MTV to fix it. It's a tradeoff between giving MTV some of my money when I mess up and usability on a daily basis. I'll take usability thanks. I am gratefull that there are experts here who have the ability to repair the phone no matter what I do to it.
That doesn't mean that I will stop reading XDA and learn though...By the time my upgrade is due, I may have enough knowledge to use it on my next phone.

Davensocal said:
Maybe I missed the point, but as a daily driver, I would think you would want something that has a little more track time on a large install base..
I was faced with the same question, and chose to go with one of the leaked ROMs. As much fun as this can be, I need my phone to be working as well...
Good luck with your choice!
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Thanks!
That's what I was leaning towards too. I just wanted to be sure that I wasn't going to miss out on the new shiney stuff that the 'cool' kids are playing with....

2.3 is more stable
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self-proclaimed noob should not even be considering ICS (which is in alpha/beta at best)....
it shouldnt even be a thought in your head if you want stable and dont know anything