ok... so i just wanted to post this ... this just happened today, it was not like this yesterday... but my phone has displayed a constant H today, where as before it would only show that when downloading... so i decided to upload some large files to my ftp server, and i used IP Dashboard to monitor the upload... check out my upload transfer rate...
I think the H stands for HSDPA, not HSUPA. The difference is primarily in the upload speed (that's what the U stands for), but most service providers only provide HSDPA at this time, not HSUPA.
radicool said:
I think the H stands for HSDPA, not HSUPA. The difference is primarily in the upload speed (that's what the U stands for), but most service providers only provide HSDPA at this time, not HSUPA.
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U is for UMTS... H is for HSDPA/HSUPA
ATT has been slowly rolling out HSUPA in its major market areas... Did you look at the pic and notice the upload speed?
Previous behavior of the indicator was 3G, would only switch to H when downloading data on HSDPA... now its a constant H and i get fast UP/DOWN access..
shogunmark said:
U is for UMTS... H is for HSDPA/HSUPA
ATT has been slowly rolling out HSUPA in its major market areas... Did you look at the pic and notice the upload speed?
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Ok, my understanding was that all 3G and faster connections use UMTS, and HSDPA/HSUPA are advancements of the UMTS protocol. The manual only makes reference to HSDPA, so I guessed it didn't support HSUPA.
The upload speed looked like it fell within the HSDPA range, but I'm not very good with the whole kbps vs. kB/s conversion thing!
Can you please do a speed test on www.dslreports.com/mspeed
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Can you please do a speed test on www.dslreports.com/mspeed
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I live in the St. Louis area and got 600 kbit/sec. It doesn't say whether that was up or down. That's on my AT&T Tilt.
650kbit/sec (1mb dl)
See attached file. My signal out at my place is a lot lower than I get elsewhere in the city. This is from Portland, OR...
sweet deal!
@ Shogunmark
is there a .cab for that IP Dashboard app that you can post? I would really like to start testing the upload speeds in the DFW area. At&t keeps saying any day now for HSUPA.
For those of you who want to test the upload speed of your Tilt, I would recommend using the Intenet Sharing app and tethering to a PC/Laptop. That way you can just use dslreports.com
I got 673kbit/sec
0.406s latency
5.158s d/l time
Phoenix/metro area - AZ
My Tilt shows the H icon 99% of time, have seen it drop to 3G and E in areas I have low signal strength.
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Can you please do a speed test on www.dslreports.com/mspeed
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the mobile speed test on dsl reports only does download, not upload... that is why i used IP Dashboard to monitor the connection and used total commander to FTP into my server and upload some large files..
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@ Shogunmark
is there a .cab for that IP Dashboard app that you can post? I would really like to start testing the upload speeds in the DFW area. At&t keeps saying any day now for HSUPA.
For those of you who want to test the upload speed of your Tilt, I would recommend using the Intenet Sharing app and tethering to a PC/Laptop. That way you can just use dslreports.com
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The IP dashboard was a trial i found while trolling on handango.com ... it actually looks like a useful app..
Interesting. I have the H displayed on my phone all the time as well here in Minneapolis. I thought the Kaiser did not support HUSPA out of the box?
Will need to test upload speeds.
373.9kbps still falls within range of 3G/UMTS which is 384kbps.
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ok... so i just wanted to post this ... this just happened today, it was not like this yesterday... but my phone has displayed a constant H today, where as before it would only show that when downloading... so i decided to upload some large files to my ftp server, and i used IP Dashboard to monitor the upload... check out my upload transfer rate...
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HSDPA has an uplink of 384kbps.
Here in Singapore, I am using HSDPA, and the uplink can hit 370+kbps as well.
Officially, Kaiser is not supporting HSUPA, although the chip supports it.
good news
this is definitely good new as I live in metro detroit and in a very large 3G area. today the 20th we haven't changed over yet still showing 3G. on a side note I was ith tmobile and just came to att with my kaiser. with tmobile my results were 80-150 kbps with att 3G they are 500 kbps-850 kbps
I know this is a really old post, but I got about 3 Meg yesterday with speed test,
Around the forest park area. Hsdpa + in Stl now?
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this is definitely good new as I live in metro detroit and in a very large 3G area. today the 20th we haven't changed over yet still showing 3G. on a side note I was ith tmobile and just came to att with my kaiser. with tmobile my results were 80-150 kbps with att 3G they are 500 kbps-850 kbps
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Is anyone else in Southern California experiencing extremely slow HSDPA network speeds from AT&T? I have 3 to 4 bars, and for some reason www.dslreports.com/mspeed/ is reporting speeds slower then 100kbits. When I turn off 3G/HSDPA manually and run under EDGE, I get about 130kbps in the same location. I have been traveling throughout all of Orange County, and it is the same everywhere I go.
I have tried loading different ROMS (ATT, HTC, Dutty's ROM) and Radio ROMS, but still slow speeds...
I am running under MediaNet configuration and I have disabled the Proxy Server.
Any help is greatly appreciated
Odd.. I'm in San Diego (center of SDSU right now), stock AT&T rom with proxy disabled. HSDPA full bars gets me 438kbps on that site with the 1mb download. 77kbps with edge.
YES!!!
I'm glad I'm not the only one.
dslreports also seems to give me slow speeds...dipping under 100kbs. with four bars 3g or HDSP.
I've been using this instead:
http://sanjose-speedtest.sprintbbd.net/
with that I'll usually get between 150kbs-325kbs. sometimes faster, sometimes slower. fastest i've gotten is 650kbs every once in a blue moon.
I was pretty unhappy for awhile...
however, tethered to a computer...
I find with speedtest.net using the Las Vegas server, late at night,
I will get 1200-1700kbs. ONLY the Las Vegas server though, every other server gives much slower results...especially the ones in Los Angeles. San Jose often gives me faster results than LA.
also tethered....the test over at stanford is nice because it analyzes your connection a little:
http://netspeed.stanford.edu/
i've actually disabled the HDSP because for me, over here, it doesn't help things...actually it makes it worse, because when I'm at the edge of a coverage area...my phone will just bounce between 3G->HDSP->3G->HDSP before establishing a lock.
i don't know about yours, but I bought my tilt on black friday in Irvine. media net, no proxy. when i had isp.cingular, it was generally the same...and not any faster.
This thread is only for users that are UK T-Mobile customers that have only basic Web N Walk. In fact it might only apply to customers that have moved over to Web N Walk on or after January 2008
I have noticed that my download speeds seem to be teetering at the lower end of 3G, slightly better than GPRS, but no way near HSDPA speeds. The test is located at the following site, if you are unable to use Opera try Pocket Internet Explorer.
www.dslreports.com/mspeed
I have repeated this test at various points throughout the day and with various signal strengths and have never been able to download faster than 190kbit/sec.
I have been speaking to T-Mobile regarding this issue and they state that HSDPA is only available to Web N Walk Plus customers and not the basic Web N Walk customers. However, colleagues of mine are on the basic Web N Walk and are able to download at HSDPA speeds.
T-Mobile are unable to provide written proof stating that HSDPA is unavailable on basic Web N Walk, the terms and conditions do not state this, and the 1GB fair use policy should ensure no one abuses the additional speed.
Furthermore, the MDA Compact IV is sold as a HSDPA enabled phone. I therefore conclude that either I have been miss-sold my contract / phone or T-Mobile have incorrectly disabled HSDPA.
What I would like to do is see if others using the MDA Compact IV are in the same situation, so could you go and do the above test if you are a UK T-Mobile customer on basic Web N Walk and report back on what speed you get.
My HSDPA connection is patchy at best, in that the coverage is poor (as is T Mobile in general). However I have just tried the speed test and I got 1157 mb for a 1 MB file. Doesn't really seem representative of my usual speed experience though.
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My HSDPA connection is patchy at best, in that the coverage is poor (as is T Mobile in general). However I have just tried the speed test and I got 1157 mb for a 1 MB file. Doesn't really seem representative of my usual speed experience though.
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Are you on the basic Web N Walk tarif and when did you move over to it?
Whoever told you this about HSDPA at certain tariffs on T-Mobile is talking tripe I'm afraid. HSDPA is standard on T-Mobile 3G across the UK now, as is HSUPA UK wide and in London area faster HSDPA.
I'm sure you know that the figures are published at best and you will rarely hit what they publish.
In my area I get a four bar signal but at best I get just over 1mb connection with it usually being around the 300-600 mark. Uploads however have seriously improved since the network upgrade a few weeks ago.
I'm on £7.50 w'n'w and the most i get is 300kbps which is the same as when i turn off hsdpa and just use 3g - still 300kbps.
What the hells going on?
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I'm on £7.50 w'n'w and the most i get is 300kbps which is the same as when i turn off hsdpa and just use 3g - still 300kbps.
What the hells going on?
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Right this is FACT and it IS on terms and conditions, I read them.
The reason I aborted my pre-order of MDA Compact IV was (amongst others) the fact that the standard web n'walk IS 3G speed only at up to 384kbps.
When I found out I flipped and cancelled and rang Orange retentions and got such a blinding deal I stayed with Orange ! Orange = HSDPA any package.
T-Mobile customers in the UK who have been on web n walk basic for ages may be under old agreement when it was HSDPA. You have to be on wnw PLUS now to get HSDPA for new customers.
dont get it, whats the deal? Why not pay another 5 or so quid and have HSDPA?
Afterall, why do you need HSDPA if your just browsing on your phone???? The only real reason you need HSDPA is if your using your phone as a modem which basic package doesn't allow you to do anyway.
This just makes sense.... so, whats the problem? Its not like its 10's of pounds of diference, its the price of 2 pints in a pub?
HSDPA is useful for web browsing simply because the pages load up up so much quicker.
I use mine to do a bit of browsing on the train after leaving work, and the difference when the coverage drops off to standard GPRS along the journey is very noticeable.
To say that you don't need hsdpa for browsing is like saying we could all make do with 56k modems for browsing at home. Yeah sure we could. but it would be painfully slow.
I am on T-mob, but have the HTC version. When I first got it there was no hsdpa on my account. when the phone detected a hsdpa signal, I could not connect at all, so I phoned 150 and asked the guy to make sure that hsdpa was enabled for my account. He said it should be but he would check. When he checked the system it wasn't set up, but he enabled it there and then, and it was available pretty much straight away
I am on flext 20 + w 'n' w basic
I'll try the dslreports thing tomorrow, but pages do load up much quicker when I have a H signal indicated
GPRS is commonly known as 2.5g
3g is "3g"
HSDPA is commonly known as 3.5g
Speed limits for each
btw: i'm fairly sure the phone supports HSUPA with a quick registry setting. Remember also that HSDPA is a BURST technology, not a sustained/constant technology.
Just because you dont have a "H" in your bar, doesn't mean your getting slow speeds - 3g IS quick enough for webbrowsing. You get normal 3g connection on Web'n'Walk basic.
So my question still stands, why do you NEED 3.5G HSDPA speeds for webbrowsing when 3G (Normal) IS way fast enough? If I was T-mobile I would use the same method for discouraging people using the phone as a modem when they are not supposed to - mind you 3g is still waaaaay fast enough for most stuff.
The fact you couldn't connect when your phone shows a H in the bar is odd... glad you got that sorted out.
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Are you on the basic Web N Walk tarif and when did you move over to it?
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I was on the basic package, I have not requested to move up neither have I been told that I have been moved up. The potential difference here is that I was on web n walk before Jan this year.
Good luck in trying to sort this out. i've decided to go (back) to Vodafone at the end of my contract in Nov because T mobile network coverage is so shocking.
did a few speed tests on mine this morning:
on the train
GPRS - 37 kbps
HSDPA - 498 - 1514 kbps
at my desk
HSDPA - 778 - 1231 kbps
was on web n walk basic for two years before upgrading to the diamond
and your trying to tell us 37k/s isn't fast enough to render webpages? If your experiencing slow webpages with this speed, its not your link at fault.
edit: at its at least 3x faster than you could dream of on a 56k modem!
Everyone who has responded so far has been on the Web N Walk package before Jan 2008. I would like to hear from someone who has only recently moved over to Web N Walk.
@ Monty Burns
1. There are better was to ensure that Web N Walk basic customers do not use their phone as a modem, such as a fair use policy, which they have. Why restrict how fast someone gets to that 1GB limit!
2. Yes back in the day 56K seemed fast, but you got to understand that the bar is constantly moving, back them most pages where static HTML, these days we have java, video streaming, audio streaming, not to mention bandwidth intensive apps such as Google maps.
I do notice the difference between what is effectively 3G speeds and WiFi. It’s frustrating and T-Mobile should see common sense and allow everyone to use HSDPA, it doesn’t cost them any extra to do so.
@ ns73
Please point me in the direction of the terms and conditions you read, as I cannot find this anywhere!
yes your correct, the bar is higher but .. why do you need 3.5g to do it? 3g is way fast enough and will happily fill up your phone very quickly!
I suspect there is some form of limitation to HSDPA connection/s which is why, if i was t-mobile, i would limit it to those paying for the full package. As your only supposed to be browsing, you just don't need 3.5 when 3 is still massive overkill.
I remember few years ago when HSDPA just came out I rung up T-mobile and they had to tick the box for HSDPA enabled. I believe you can also do this yourself by logging into the T-mobile website and managing your account
You don't get HSDPA with standard WNW, and while it may not have been stated when you connected, it was also not stated that you WOULD get HSDPA. If you connected to WNW over a year or so ago you may have slipped the net, and still have access at the higher speed.
As far as "ticking a box" is concerned, I don't believe this option is still present on their' systems, and even when it was it was simply for legacy purposes and you should have never have had it ticked in the first place.
The £5 isn't much extra to get the HSDPA, I don't mind paying it.
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You don't get HSDPA with standard WNW, .....
The £5 isn't much extra to get the HSDPA, I don't mind paying it.
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Exactly. Cough up and get the larger packet (about 2 beers a month!!!? If you can't spare that, you have more serious concerns), live with no HSDPA (why do you need it anyway when your not allowed to use it as a modem) or go to another telcom.
well i've just taken out my compact IV on tmobile, flext 30 with W+W my signal at home is shocking, but at work connects over HSDPA and returns between 992 and 1324 so far, just with standard and new line taken out on tuesday
@ Monty,
I have to disagree, while you may feel that 3G does fill your screen quickly enough, I find it slow and tedious. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on what they consider to be acceptable. I do not consider my current browsing experience to be acceptable.
There is a limitation to the number of connections per cell station. The cell station has algorithms built in to automatically share the data between HSDPA, 3G, GPRS, and GSM. However, this ratio is adjusted every few milliseconds on the fly and would only be a factor if a large number of people are downloading at the same time.
@ lx_t,
This option is no longer available on the T-Mobile website.
@ OK!
Your right WNW basic does not state that it includes HSDPA, but neither does any of the other WNW tariffs, so in that case as its not explicitly stated one way or the other, it is implicitly implied. Furthermore the MDA Compact IV is sold as a HSPDA phone, it does not state that this is subject to being on a particular WNW tariff.
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@ Monty,
I have to disagree, while you may feel that 3G does fill your screen quickly enough, I find it slow and tedious. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on what they consider to be acceptable. I do not consider my current browsing experience to be acceptable.
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Thats not the link. you cannot notice the diference between 3g and 3.5g on a web browser on your phone... unless the web page has tens of links to some seriously high megapixel pictures of course but then, the phone would cave in anyway.
Check out the link i posted above for the speeds. 3g is like using a ferrari to race a push bike when it comes to speeds needed for web pages. HSDPA is designed for "modem" use and heavy downloading and for web browsing is like using a Veyron.... if you think 3g isn't good enough, your never going to be happy with web browsing on a phone.
I've spent more than £5 pounds worth of my time trying to explain this and thats all it would cost you a month to get a little more priority on the t-mobile network and a higher fup. Why are you so cheap? Why should you get maximum speeds on cheapest package? its FIVE pounds.
Now, where's the nearest wall, i think it might be less painfull head butting it than this thread ....
I have problem with my captivate such that 3G data speed(according to Speedtest.net app) does not go over 300-400 kbps. Also app chooses closest server as Wichita Kansas and I am in in Portland Oregon.
Besides the speedtest app Internet browsing is slow in general even though signal is good ,3-4 bars constantly.
About 1/2 mile away from my work place ATT has put new 7.2Mbps tower but even in close proximity of the tower my download speed does not go over .5 Mbps.
I got new SIM card at ATT store but that did not help either.
BTW phone is rooted
Any suggestion would be appreciated
The tower is 7.2 megabits. Your theoritical speed limit is about 1000 kbps so...did you try intalling the hsupa modem? Be warned that it will screw up bt and headset controls
Using the power of the force close
Have you tried the speed test multiple times? I verified my tethering with really high speeds which were cut dramatically the next morning. It could be time of day or just lousy network congestion. Try again over wifi and compare to your computer for a benchmark.
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On wifi there's no problems at all. But seriously regardless of the time of the day or location I do not get anything better than average EDGE speed even the phone shows 3g icon constantly. Is there some APN setting that I need to check.
I compared the download speed to iphone4 , 3gs, HTC ARIA and motorola q9h on the same time of the day and on same location and captivate gets at most 1/3 of download speed of the other 4 phones. (Other 4 phones get in average 1.2 Mbps download)
Not to mention that even that speed is actually low for HSDPA. I did not flash HSUPA since I'm not so concerned with upload speeds
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