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So, I was wondering with the HTC Incredible out for Verizon right now, would it be easier to port Sense over from that to the N1 than from the Desire since they share many of the same parts? I know the Desire port is almost fully functional, but missing some things, would the same occur with the port from the Incredible. Or does it matter that it's CDMA?
I would love to have Sense on my Nexus, but these questions are moreso just me trying to get my head around how this port thing works.
N1 has more things in common with desire than incredible.
Aside from a few minor hardware differences (physical buttons, no noise cancelling mic) the desire is basically the same phone as the N1 but with different software and a non unlockable bootloader.
you should be saying HD2 port to incredible or visaversa
lostinbeta said:
would it be easier to port Sense over from that to the N1 than from the Desire since they share many of the same parts?
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It would be more difficult since the N1 is closer to the Desire than the Incredible. Also, the Desire rom has already been available for months.
I would love to have Sense on my Nexus
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Why not try the Desire rom that's available now?
Starting from square 0 on Incredible would mean a port that's less functional than the Desire rom for at least many months.
Good info to know. I have no idea why I thought the Incredible was closer than the Desire... me being stupid apparently...lol. And I do plan on trying the Desire port, my N1 just arrived today. I will keep it stock for a bit just to make sure it doesn't have any of those pesky issues that can be fixed via warranty, but I'll get the itch to root and ROM it soon enough. My FUZE didn't last very long before I did so... I doubt this will either...haha.
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It would be more difficult since the N1 is closer to the Desire than the Incredible. Also, the Desire rom has already been available for months.
Why not try the Desire rom that's available now?
Starting from square 0 on Incredible would mean a port that's less functional than the Desire rom for at least many months.
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Though I do wonder, if the Incredible's version of Sense is a newer/updated version of the UI, then would we expect to see those changes implemented in the Desire? Hence making another version of the ROM closer to what the Incredible has.
I'm assuming somebody will release the Incredible ROM more to make the current Sense ROM better.
Just a guess...
I saw this when I was bored and looking to see what was going on with Evo roms and stuff.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=966728
Is Sense 2.0 officially from HTC or made by some users like us?
Is it really more streamlined and quicker?
Could our Heroe's hardware handle it?
Would it be easier to build the 2.2 and 2.3 and beyond with our Heroes with this opposed to the current Sense UI we have?
If it is possible to run on our Heroes, has any devs talked about developing roms with it to anyone's knowledge?
(Disclaimer: I haven't been doing stuff to my Hero for about 6-8 months and haven't kept up with what is going on since then, so excuse some of my ignorance)
Sense 2.0 is what the Desire Z and Desire HD shipped with.
amdme127 said:
I saw this when I was bored and looking to see what was going on with Evo roms and stuff.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=966728
Is Sense 2.0 officially from HTC or made by some users like us?
Is it really more streamlined and quicker?
Could our Heroe's hardware handle it?
Would it be easier to build the 2.2 and 2.3 and beyond with our Heroes with this opposed to the current Sense UI we have?
If it is possible to run on our Heroes, has any devs talked about developing roms with it to anyone's knowledge?
(Disclaimer: I haven't been doing stuff to my Hero for about 6-8 months and haven't kept up with what is going on since then, so excuse some of my ignorance)
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I was Recently Wondering the same thing.... Can the Evo be Ported to our Hero???? Anyone???
"Sent From" My Fast as it Gonna get Sprint Hero! Running... My *ExpressoEnergyHero* ROM, The Build.Prop Tweek from Kifno, & The XDA BLUE.apk from Page 10 of my "EEH" Thread!!
does anyone know or has anyone heard if the vivid will even get the new sense 4.0 i know the new one X has it but the vivid has no love yet.. thanks
ps3kev said:
does anyone know or has anyone heard if the vivid will even get the new sense 4.0 i know the new one X has it but the vivid has no love yet.. thanks
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Officially (as in from HTC), probably never.
Unofficially, probably after S-Off is released and CM9 is out.
thanks, do u know if there will be an official update to android 4.0.4 or 4.0.5 heard it is fixing alot of issues
ps3kev said:
thanks, do u know if there will be an official update to android 4.0.4 or 4.0.5 heard it is fixing alot of issues
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Define issues, and honestly, since a global rollout has yet to occur, I doubt that upgrades >4.0.3 are going to occur. Maybe the regions that have yet to get ICS may get 4.0.4 or later, if those regions ever release an update.
Honestly, you're probably going to have to wait for CM to give you that.
question????
@ Aus_AZN
Why do you think or what have you heard that indicates no Sense 4 for Vivid?
I'm new to the HTC line and reacquainting myself with Android phones. I had a Moto Droid X a few years ago until it was stolen. I was loving it compared to my old VeriZon semi-smart phone. But then it was liberated.
I also lost everything after the loss of a family member. So I really haven't had a quality phone for the last 2 years until I upgraded to the Vivid. I didn't do much research, I just knew it would be upgradeable to ICS. I only upgraded to it because I was able to get it for $49.99 as an upgrade from a Fry's electronics near me. So far it ROCKS!!!!
Also where is a good or great source to learn more about Sense and what it adds to the phone? I have seen very little here or on the HTC site or AT&T either.
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@ Aus_AZN
Why do you think or what have you heard that indicates no Sense 4 for Vivid?
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HTC has said Sense 3.6 for the Vivid line. 4.0 for the One series and newer.
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@ Aus_AZN
Why do you think or what have you heard that indicates no Sense 4 for Vivid?
I'm new to the HTC line and reacquainting myself with Android phones. I had a Moto Droid X a few years ago until it was stolen. I was loving it compared to my old VeriZon semi-smart phone. But then it was liberated.
I also lost everything after the loss of a family member. So I really haven't had a quality phone for the last 2 years until I upgraded to the Vivid. I didn't do much research, I just knew it would be upgradeable to ICS. I only upgraded to it because I was able to get it for $49.99 as an upgrade from a Fry's electronics near me. So far it ROCKS!!!!
Also where is a good or great source to learn more about Sense and what it adds to the phone? I have seen very little here or on the HTC site or AT&T either.
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Well, the Vivid is definitely upgradeable to ICS, just not Sense 4 ICS. The way Sense 3.6 looks is very similar to the way it looks on GB; you just get the ICS bonuses when you update it.
I for one hope we see sense 4.0 at some point. It's not out of the question. Hopefully after the one line gains some steam they'll update it.
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Many bugs on this update like losing reception when entering a train station then having to manually turn it back on when back outside or rebooting. Lost of audio on games which needs a reboot and the constant upgrading android on reboots. I believe we will get an upgrade to work out the kinks. But doubt a sense update but who knows we got beats audio and sense 3.6. HTC is cool like that
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I for one hope we see sense 4.0 at some point. It's not out of the question. Hopefully after the one line gains some steam they'll update it.
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I don't think they'll update it; I think the user community will pull through. There is some efforts being made right now, but a lot of it is blocked courtesy of RIL issues.
dfella30 said:
But doubt a sense update but who knows we got beats audio and sense 3.6. HTC is cool like that
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Yea, but ATT isn't..
homeslice976 said:
Yea, but ATT isn't..
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I've had sprint and t-mobile att is by far better in pricing. They even waved my activation fees and sold me a top of the line phone for 1 cent. While sprint and t-mobile man enough said. Never had verizon but after walking in and looking at the prices I walked out and never went back that was 5 years ago. What its been 5-6 months, fastest update to the latest and greatest ever not to mention we were the first to receive ICS if I'm correct. I think people are upset about the whole no unlimited data thing. But for what I use my phone for its ok haven't even hit a gig yet. Also lowest cancel fee as well. Haven't really needed support yet so don't know about that but S&T forget it.
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All I meant by that is that ATT has been notorious for only providing 1 major update per device (minor security/software patches aside). We got ICS and Sense 3.6 as the update, I don't see, from history, ATT giving us another big update like Sense 4.0
What pisses me off about all the cell phone companies is that they waste technology with greed. This phone among others have 2 CPUs and a monster gpu yet the current software does not utilize it very well at all. Now quads its truly a waste of hardware. When phones like the Samsung epic still does very well. ICS uses more resources and the following android update will use even more, making capable phones unable to be upgraded do to lack of resources. Now as far as sense 4 goes our phones have enough resource to handle the upgrade to not give it is a waste and a greed move. Also I hate reading a phone has 1gb ram but 300 available, its starting to be a joke. Laptops another mobile device that can receive the latest and greatest as long as the hardware is supported, they should just offer upgrades for a price which would guarantee upgrades as long as the hardware meets the requirements and offer them from the play store. And fixes should stay free.
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Really overall the update has been pretty good to me. Some minor quirks here and there but everything works and it seems stable. Sense 3.6 works well just the look of it all gets to me. Coming from a Samsung, touchwiz definitley adds its own look but keeps enough elements that you still know what version of android your running. The way it sounds is htc rebuilt sense from the ground up to look good on the one series but just did some minor tweaking on the updated phones. I still question the call imo. And I don't get why htc feel the need to remove overscroll glow and Crt animations on their roms, very cool effects that SHOULD be enabled! And why is the app drawer so.... Gingerbread looking? And where are the widget previews and why aren't they located in the apartment drawer?
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/02/01/editorial-sense-4-on-ics-one-step-forward-two-steps-back-for-android/ from my HTC PH39100 using XDA
From this article it sounds like 4.0 is more of the same anyway but it's spot on about what bugs me about sense ics
Thanks for the link Cor-Master!!
I may want to back off of Sense and see what ICS really looks like. Who knew HTC was bastardizing ICS so much. Im new to the Vivid so I had no idea what Sense really was. Now I know more and knowing is half the battle!
Yeah and like the author I'm not against custom UIs. In away its what android was all about and it allows manufacturers some freedom in putting their own stamp on Android. But in the case of sense its just too much. A good example is my captivate and it's official gingerbread update. Samsung put their own stamp on I with touchwiz but it still looked and felt like gingerbread. All and all I'd say touchwiz was 80% android. And the launcher wasn't as heavily weaven into the ui as sense so as for me I spent a majority of my time with it on adw ex. But sense is probably 30% stock Android if that. They really went out of there way to make sure android didn't look or feel like android anymore.
I like sense for the most part and the issue is fixable if htc just does a few minor things: #1 kill all the textured menus and use the stock holo theme for everything. #2. Enable all ics animations #3. Keep the notification bar stock. And last but not least #4. Use the stock app drawer. They could keep everything else the same and sense overall would world's better!
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I like Sense. 3.6 is a huge step closer to an AOSP feel than 3.0 or 3.5 was. 4.0 looks even closer. Any way I look at it though, I like what HTC did with Sense. I think it enhances the look of the OS, without compromising resources too badly. It's definitely my favorite Android overlay (over touchwiz, motoblur, etc)...and it's one of the many reasons I bought the Vivid, because I like Sense. If I didn't like Sense, I probably wouldn't have bought HTC. Especially one who's development is a little slower than others.
i guess we just have to wait and see what happens maybe att will release an update for it i dont know
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Officially (as in from HTC), probably never.
Unofficially, probably after S-Off is released and CM9 is out.
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CM Roms are AOSP based and will not contain Sense. CM always use AOSP
There is something I need to ask. Stock Ics have some good features but new Ics update we have doesn't have them. For example number splitter on Calling. I mean stock Ics split numbers like 0-530-540-5555. But sense 3.6 0530540555. We also don't have panoramic camera, mtp USB connection, big picture on contacts info screens etc.
Why ? Are these not important things ? I already search that features to mod my Rom, no luck.
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Number splitting as 1-212-535-6789 is a US telephone numbering method. The ICS ROM which has been released is a WWE (worldwide English release) and obviously the rest of the wold is greater and more important than the US: ergo, no number splitting. Satisfied? Or do you still believe tha the US is the center of the world?
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It almost seems to be like sense 3.5 with a few ICS features
A lot of it to me has a gingerbread sense feel
Theres not much from the upgrade of GB to ICS, IMO they have stripped and changed some features and things from ICS to differentiate from other phones/manufacturers?
Seems to me like they are not taking advantage of ICS on sense 3.6
I don't even think we have zero shutter lag in sense camera
This is the reason I have changed from GB sense to AOSP ICS
It just looked and felt too much like runny 3.5, but then again its only a 0.1 bump in number so there is not much different
I am still loving the AOSP/AOKP look and the added features over HTC sense 3.6
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It almost seems to be like sense 3.5 with a few ICS features
A lot of it to me has a gingerbread sense feel
Theres not much from the upgrade of GB to ICS, IMO they have stripped and changed some features and things from ICS to differentiate from other phones/manufacturers?
Seems to me like they are not taking advantage of ICS on sense 3.6
I don't even think we have zero shutter lag in sense camera
This is the reason I have changed from GB sense to AOSP ICS
It just looked and felt too much like runny 3.5, but then again its only a 0.1 bump in number so there is not much different
I am still loving the AOSP/AOKP look and the added features over HTC sense 3.6
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I tried the Niks custom ICS Rom with sense 4 and I actually didn't like the changes to the app menu as I am used to vertical swipe since Froyo days. Also the way the homescreen are customized in sense 4 doesnt make any sense to me. It looks slick but at the end of the day it unnecessarily complicates things. It also produces a slight lag as compared to the older way of doing it. I think the newer phones like one x are more capable to handle this new feature. Also the drop down menu has been modified in ICS which I don't quite like. The quick settings option in custom roms are so much better than what's available with these official updates. Thats all about sense 4. I then flashed the Official ICS ruu with sense 3.6 which thankfully makes me feel closer to home. However, access to full settings from the quick settings menu isn't any simpler after the update. In fact it took me a day to realize that the small gear shaped image is clickable. LOL on that! I also hate the fact that the call accept reject and most other similar buttons have been interchanged. This is just ridiculously lame!
But most importantly and on a super positive note my phone is much faster with ICS, sense or no sense. On nenumark2 my score increased from 8fps to 27fps and my battery life also seems to have improved considerably.
ps: this is just my opinion. feel free to debate.
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ragapa97 said:
Number splitting as 1-212-535-6789 is a US telephone numbering method. The ICS ROM which has been released is a WWE (worldwide English release) and obviously the rest of the wold is greater and more important than the US: ergo, no number splitting. Satisfied? Or do you still believe tha the US is the center of the world?
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Nope. I'm not satisfied. You're not geting my point. This splitting method also works on Turkey Telephone numbers. I think they can make this selectable on some languages. Like miui did.
But at the end of the day the number you want to ring will still work. The number calling you will still work.
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vizzy said:
But at the end of the day the number you want to ring will still work. The number calling you will still work.
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Thats is one way to look at
You're right, the numbers will be the same in the end, the splitting allows for a better reading, especially when you're used to it because it's usually done like that in your country.
But nevertheless: it's not really important
Look at this:
http://www.androidcentral.com/htc-publishes-jelly-bean-qa-2012-devices-first-excluding-one-v
Maybe we will have a chance Or at least a port from Desire X!
I surely hope so.
But I'm guessing that it will be a bit late like the ICS update.
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I surely hope so.
But I'm guessing that it will be a bit late like the ICS update.
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I'm sorry... but... a little bit late ?
A little?
It took them 9 months...
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Like I said in the other thread, there's basically no way we're getting it from HTC...
And think about it, their ICS update basically made the phone worse. And now think about them just throwing together another update for us...
I don't think it'll be pretty.
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And think about it, their ICS update basically made the phone worse.
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That's your oppinion. For me ICS with Sense 3.6 is bullseye.
JB with what? Sense 3.6 again? There's no way we're getting Sense 4 or above. And anything below 4 is a massive resource hog
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TheDareDevil said:
JB with what? Sense 3.6 again? There's no way we're getting Sense 4 or above. And anything below 4 is a massive resource hog
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Jb will come with sense 4+ for all devices.
guys we have seen heaps of updates compared to other phones (nexus doesn't count)
Big updates:
2.2 froyo + sense 2.1
2.3.3 gingerbread + sense 2.1
2.3.5 GB with sense 3.0
Now 4.0 ICS with sense 3.6
The phone was unveiled at MWC 2011 in January iirc. I still remember lying on the floor reading about the incredible S's rotating buttons, fascinated by them. Long time ago. Point is, that our phone is more than 18 months old, nearly 2 years.
That's quite a major bump in both android and sense versions compared with other devices
SGS2 came with 2.3.3 GB
Got 2.3.5
Then got 4.0
Maybe getting 4.1 (higher chance than us)
They have been bumped up the same amount of important android versions as us. Theirs just came later and is way higher specced, so they are getting 4.1
Tl, Dr we should be happy with what we have. Like I said earlier if HTC bring it out for us I would definitely get another HTC next.
But the "2011 phones are being looked at" or whatever they said was likely in reference to the rezound, e3d and sensation etc. We are another step down with our single core processor and lower amount of ram (same as sensation, wouldn't be surprised if HTC skip out on the pyramid because of this )
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Very well said Mark. Even I don't expect any release from them for our phone. Even if they release, at that point of time, apple would have released iPhone 8 in the market with one more row on their screen, Google would have released coffee beans Android version 6.0, barrack Obama would be fighting for 3rd term of President ship
But truth is still we would be hoping, will htc release update for our phone
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nlooooo said:
That's your oppinion. For me ICS with Sense 3.6 is bullseye.
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My opinion is based on what I've read.
You seems to be the only one so far who actually thinks it is good. Good for you.
@di said:
Very well said Mark. Even I don't expect any release from them for our phone. Even if they release, at that point of time, apple would have released iPhone 8 in the market with one more row on their screen, Google would have released coffee beans Android version 6.0, barrack Obama would be fighting for 3rd term of President ship
But truth is still we would be hoping, will htc release update for our phone
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Thanks, took me a while to write that lol
The max a person can be president for is 8 years, which is 2 terms. #justsayin
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don't forget our HTC cousin, Desire HD. Their ICS update was cancelled at the last min, be proud that the incredible s still has a update
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don't forget our HTC cousin, Desire HD. Their ICS update was cancelled at the last min, be proud that the incredible s still has a update
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Yes. Desire z didn't get updated
dinc2, our twin brother is still waiting from Verizon
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markj338 said:
Yes. Desire z didn't get updated
dinc2, our twin brother is still waiting from Verizon
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And that's why the operators have way too much power...
the incredible s is a really old device, I don't think it even has official support anymore after the ICS update
I know Mark.
I deliberately wrote that.
Indirectly I was trying to say that getting an update is like Obama fighting for 3rd term.
Which is impossible.
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Splux said:
My opinion is based on what I've read.
You seems to be the only one so far who actually thinks it is good. Good for you.
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My oppinion is based in what I've tried.
nlooooo said:
My oppinion is based in what I've tried.
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Just one question, are you really using the stock update from HTC?
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Just one question, are you really using the stock update from HTC?
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I was using for some time, but I went to ARHD only because it's deodexed (I can use a few mods) and doesn't depend on lib partition (easier backup). As far as I'm concerned if was able to do all that on stock update I wouldn't have change it. I don't know why are you so suprised, I'm not a fan of AOSP roms (MIUI maybe, was using it for some time on Desire), Sense 4.0 looks like a child comic book to me, and stock ICS with Sense 3.6 looks preety good to me.
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I was using for some time, but I went to ARHD only because it's deodexed (I can use a few mods) and doesn't depend on lib partition (easier backup). As far as I'm concerned if was able to do all that on stock update I wouldn't have change it. I don't know why are you so suprised, I'm not a fan of AOSP roms (MIUI maybe, was using it for some time on Desire), Sense 4.0 looks like a child comic book to me, and stock ICS with Sense 3.6 looks preety good to me.
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I was talking about the stock HTC update, most other Sense-ROMs are kinda smooth.
It's the stock ROM from HTC that's just pure rubbish. And has been since 3.5 update... But I gotta admit, I did like Sense when I bought this phone and it was Sense 2.1... then it has only gotten worse, and the ICS update I didn't even care to try, and from reading the General section here I think I made the right choice.
Anyway, I still stand by my opinion: if HTC release a JB update it'll probably be something rushed together to make us quiet. Normal users could probably not care less.
And... doesn't 4.1 feel a bit old now?
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I was talking about the stock HTC update, most other Sense-ROMs are kinda smooth.
It's the stock ROM from HTC that's just pure rubbish. And has been since 3.5 update... But I gotta admit, I did like Sense when I bought this phone and it was Sense 2.1... then it has only gotten worse, and the ICS update I didn't even care to try, and from reading the General section here I think I made the right choice.
Anyway, I still stand by my opinion: if HTC release a JB update it'll probably be something rushed together to make us quiet. Normal users could probably not care less.
And... doesn't 4.1 feel a bit old now?
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All Sense 3.6 roms are made from stock rom as a base with minor tweaks. And of course, as many others, you're talking about something that you haven't even tried.
I also doesn't know when IncS have got Sense 3.5 update. As far as I know the last GB update was with Sense 3.0, so you're talking about something you don't know, again.
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All Sense 3.6 roms are made from stock rom as a base with minor tweaks. And of course, as many others, you're talking about something that you haven't even tried.
I also doesn't know when IncS have got Sense 3.5 update. As far as I know the last GB update was with Sense 3.0, so you're talking about something you don't know, again.
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Okay, let's take this from the beginning;
I didn't flash the 3.6 due to the fact that the 3.0 (see, I got it right this time... my memory doesn't handle numbers that well) update was rather sluggish, by using custom ROMs you got away from the sluggish feeling.
And by judging from what I've read about it (excluding you), the stock update seems to be even worse.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1797471 <- just a quick search on Google, and I found that. First xda result, and if you want I can back up my statements with more sources.
Sense 2.1 on Froyo was okay, in both stability and smoothness. It felt like it was actually optimized for this device.
Are we going to keep on with this rather pointless discussion?
Obviously our opinions differ, and it will probably just go on like this in eternity.
My point is clear, early versions of Sense are better than the newer ones. The ICS update was probably only rolled out to us because it was released before our 18 months were over...
Any mistakes with numbers and so forth are to be blamed on my own lazyness, since I am way too lazy to check through this post for errors.