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What do you think?
Motorola: more RAM, higher resolution display, dock functionality, locked bootloader?
locked bootloader.... that kills it for me
If the bootloader isn't locked on the Atrix, then I'm going with that without hesitation.
You forgot to mention, bigger battery on Atrix as well.
locked bootloader
What do you mean by a "locked bootloader" ???
does it have to do with the ability to flash non official ROMs on the phone ???
Optimus 2x has a 2MP front camera, 8MP rear camera... a big plus compared to the Atrix. With the higher resolution display you won't see much difference unless you look at your phone like you would at a letter in a dark room, more RAM is not that helpful as 512MB is more than enough for an Android device (heck, it's even enough for netbooks and Win XP).
I'd say the only proper advantage is the bigger battery which will definitely make a big difference in day-to-day use.
Atrix. Locked bootloader is only speculation, at the moment. And megapixels is not the be all, end all criteria on picture quality.
PuerkitoBio said:
Atrix. Locked bootloader is only speculation, at the moment. And megapixels is not the be all, end all criteria on picture quality.
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+1, but it's not sure about locked bootloader, we are not sure until we see it on the phone, remember what Motorola said:
"“We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users’ interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability.”
Even if you can change by your self the 2X has the advantage to come with two loaders so you choose the LG homescreen or Vanilla.
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Even if you can change by your self the 2X has the advantage to come with two loaders so you choose the LG homescreen or Vanilla.
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Source? Would be great though.
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Even if you can change by your self the 2X has the advantage to come with two loaders so you choose the LG homescreen or Vanilla.
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Polluxus said:
Source? Would be great though.
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Agreed. I'd even say Awesome. I may be jealous, if that's the case.
My entire problem with the 2X has to do with it's screen. Why did they opt for an ordinary LCD screen on this phone? For me it may be too hard to go back to a regular screen after owning a samoled.
What really puzzles me is the fact that LG are releasing another phone along with the 2X that supposedly has a much better screen. I believe it's called the LG optimus black iirc. Why not give your highest end product the best screen? Bad decision if you ask me.
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Source? Would be great though.
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This is from Norwegian amobile http://www.amobil.no/artikler/lg_optimus_2x/80296
Translated with google you can fins this in the text:
"Menu-wise, Optimus 2X quite remote from pure Android menus. LG has made some graphical modifications that resemble the manufacturer's S-Class menus or Samsung Touch Wiz. One should however be able to choose clean Android menus if you wish."
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My entire problem with the 2X has to do with it's screen. Why did they opt for an ordinary LCD screen on this phone? For me it may be too hard to go back to a regular screen after owning a samoled.
What really puzzles me is the fact that LG are releasing another phone along with the 2X that supposedly has a much better screen. I believe it's called the LG optimus black iirc. Why not give your highest end product the best screen? Bad decision if you ask me.
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It's not an all ordinary LCD, it's an IPS display
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My entire problem with the 2X has to do with it's screen. Why did they opt for an ordinary LCD screen on this phone? For me it may be too hard to go back to a regular screen after owning a samoled.
What really puzzles me is the fact that LG are releasing another phone along with the 2X that supposedly has a much better screen. I believe it's called the LG optimus black iirc. Why not give your highest end product the best screen? Bad decision if you ask me.
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Although I agree SAMOLED is great I wouldn't make such a big issue out of this. You probably only notice the difference in side-by-side comparisons and not in everyday use. Plus LCD is sharper and better in bright sunlight. Oh and it's an IPS LCD (like the iphone and ipad) so good colors and viewing angles.
Atrix now listed on amazon.com for 600 US-Dollar (= 437,062937 Euro) that would be a great price for europe...but i don't think we'll get it that cheap....
maybe i wanna get an atrix if it appears for the same price as the lg in europe and with unlocked bootloader...(cuz of higer res display, dock functionality, more battery power, bio sensor on back, 1gb ram)
get the l 2x, it will be easy to root.
@gizz68erz
Can't remember where I found it. It was on one of the German forums out there but Motorola officially said that they will lock the bootloader to make sure their gadgets like the display dock will work in a proper way.
I will definitely go on the L2X.
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Optimus 2x has a 2MP front camera, 8MP rear camera... a big plus compared to the Atrix. With the higher resolution display you won't see much difference unless you look at your phone like you would at a letter in a dark room, more RAM is not that helpful as 512MB is more than enough for an Android device (heck, it's even enough for netbooks and Win XP).
I'd say the only proper advantage is the bigger battery which will definitely make a big difference in day-to-day use.
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I bet you won't even be able to tell the difference between a 8MP and a 5MP picture. Don't forget that you will look at it on your 2MP HDTV or computer monitor. The problem is that the sensor is way too small to benefit from 8MP. MP is the last thing that we should care about a camera nowadays.
1GB RAM can make a big difference however. Especially since android phones tend to loose some memory for the GPU or something else. There is only about 300MB user accessible on the Galaxy S. I am sure that you would prefer a netbook with 1GB over 512 MB too. I think that this is even more important than CPU MHz.
The higher resolution would also have make a huge difference (especially when browsing web pages), but unfortunately I read the Atrix uses a Pentitle matrix which kills effective resolution. We will have to see which one is brighter and have the best contrast before making any judgment on the screen anyways.
I was really excited about the X2 but the more and more I read about the Atrix the more it seems like its the better phone. Even with the Locked Bootloaded and ATT usually puts and end to non market apps. This Atrix is a beast I use my phone for business so the battery is awesome. I just dont want to pay att higher prices, they are stupid expensive compared to TMO
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Optimus 2x has a 2MP front camera, 8MP rear camera... a big plus compared to the Atrix. With the higher resolution display you won't see much difference unless you look at your phone like you would at a letter in a dark room, more RAM is not that helpful as 512MB is more than enough for an Android device (heck, it's even enough for netbooks and Win XP).
I'd say the only proper advantage is the bigger battery which will definitely make a big difference in day-to-day use.
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2x have 1.3MP front camera only.
The most interesting me was the atrix have fingerprint and upgradeable to 1080p capture : )
what do you think about this ?
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/LG-Optimus-Black_id5102
looks more sexy than the 2x
especially on the back, since im a woman, the back sight is important too
;-)
And since you are a woman, you are just looking on what you see and not what's inside
Well, it's indeed a nice phone but not as powerful as the x2.
hey its a very nice and sexy phone, i would recommend it since most people wouldnt really take full advantage of the dual core 2x.
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And since you are a woman, you are just looking on what you see and not what's inside
Well, it's indeed a nice phone but not as powerful as the x2.
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Hahaha that was epic!
What I don't understand is that Optimus Black is supposed to have that great screen, with higher contrast and less energy consumption, so why wouldn't they use that screen in their flagship device (the 2X) ? I mean it's going to be really expensive anyway, so I might as well spend a bit more and have the best possible phone, including the screen.
BlueScreenJunky
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I think so!!!
Because they need each phone to have a key selling point. That's why the 2x doesn't have this screen. Plus the 2x has an IPS thingie majigie screen. not as good as black's screen, S/amoled or retina, but it's right behind them.
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Because they need each phone to have a key selling point. That's why the 2x doesn't have this screen. Plus the 2x has an IPS thingie majigie screen. not as good as black's screen, S/amoled or retina, but it's right behind them.
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Both of the LG's have IPS screens. Apple's Retina is also an IPS screen. The difference is that the black's is a more advanced IPS which is brighter. It's not really a concern for me, I think the 2X's IPS looks plenty bright enough.
I know apple's and black's screen is IPS. Just pointing out that the optimus 2x's screen isn't that bad.
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Both of the LG's have IPS screens. Apple's Retina is also an IPS screen. The difference is that the black's is a more advanced IPS which is brighter. It's not really a concern for me, I think the 2X's IPS looks plenty bright enough.
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Sure like Nokia they put a polarizing filter on it to make black more black. That's it.
Don't forget that iPhone Retina screen is made by LG. The OX2 has in essence the same screen as the iPhone but with lower pixel count.
Weird thing is that both LG and Samsung were a few years ago considered to be "the cheap koreans" and nowadays they're suposedly "high-tech". At least other suposedly better quality brands use their cheap parts in their upscale devices.
They're all ****ing us.
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And since you are a woman, you are just looking on what you see and not what's inside
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Men do the same with women, don't they
Well, it's indeed a nice phone but not as powerful as the x2.
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Nonetheless the cpu should be more then powerfull enough to run the full android experience. If the price is right then perhaps this might be the better option. Because the more I see (and hear) from the X2, the more it dissapoints :-(
I heard that Optimus Black will use OMAP 36~ Soc.
No matter how design is good or not, it sux.
OMAP 3xxx-5xxx has 2-channel memory and not bad architectures. Last series has DDR3 supporting.
Has been launched request to the administrator for opening a section for the Black..
if someone want to support, this is the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14047779&posted=1#post14047779
thanks
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Has been launched request to the administrator for opening a section for the Black..
if someone want to support, this is the link
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Hi There,
I'm about to get one of this two:
Motorola Defy (not plus)
OR
LG Optimus Black P970
Besides the obvious technical/feature/differences between them:
Screen size, CPU speed and Rugged vs Not.
The fight is ONLY between this 2, contract availability reasons.
what is your honest user experience and long term satisfaction, modability , upgradability , dependability , whole experience ... your opinion !
Thanks !
defy is very old !
black is better for sure
Defy is water proof and shock proof but it has smaller screen and slower processor.
Optimus Black is much better it has faster processor and bigger and brighter screen.
3.7" vs 4" is not much of a difference. albeit defy has FWVGA resolution and has better ppi than the black. rugged, waterproof & dust-proof. my vote to defy.
and since you are at xda, i feel ur gonna root the phone. defy can run @1 ghz seamlessly. there are many mods that can let the defy record 720p videos.
and the best of all there are more ROMs available for the defy than all teh optimus (2x, black, 3d, sol, bla bla bla) combined. cm9, miui(official) and many more.
the only upperhand of the black is the 2MPx front camera & the upgraded chipset. nothing more. then again, if you buy the defy plus, it's a 100% better deal than the black.
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I have a p990 and with a custom rom it's a dream x), The screen is beautiful . For me it's a very good phone
I didn't used the P990 (2x) with stock rom for a very long time, in fact 30 minutes, just the time to gather everything to flash cyanogenmod 7.
You may be new on xda but a rom when almost everything works is not a common thing, CM7 rom others based on it for the P990 and P970 (black) everything work.
If you want to stay on stock rom and just root, I won't recommend you a LG phone as they kind of mess up their stock rom.
If can understand how to flash a custom firmware, then both phones you want, have a very good kang (you'll understand this later) by temasek.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1421425
I'm using it on P990 and it's a true marvel. I think that I took this one because it's the cheapest dual core phone available. No in fact it's because it has a stable CM7 port. First I wanted the Samsung I9100 (Galaxy S2) which have a powerful dualcore internaly made by samsung but there is I9100G in the wild which is also called Galaxy S2 but have a Texas Instrument CPU. The fact that this version is less powerful than the original one doesn't matter, it just make it not compatible with I9100 roms.
Don't consider the optimus black, dual core is what you want, trust me. Even if the optimus 2x don't have what LG is calling Nova screen, it still a beautiful screen, very sharp (still the iphone 4/4S is a little sharper, just a little) and with gorilla glass. I think it's the first time in 5-6 years that I didn't put screen protector on my phone.
But with the Tegra 2 dual core and the speed of CyanogenMod, everything is so smooth. With 50€ extra, go for the 2x.
If you can wait, the samsung galaxy S3 will arrive and the price of the S2 will drop a little. The 4.3" screen may be too big for you but it has better stock rom than the LG 2X.
But LG Optimus 2x P990 with CyanogenMod7 is something unmatched in the 300€ price range right now.
2x that price is too expensive , if you like app,you should buy iphon4 8g, but the 3.5 screen is too small. Android platform i will consider sumsung galaxy note,bigest screen , or lg optimus lte ,in china it just 2k5 ~= €300
I agree with all of the above (except for the chinese guy).
290 euros is not a big price tag for O2X, at least not on "first world" countries.
Even if you're not a very demanding user you will certainly enjoy flashing a custom ROM. Phone is smoother, more stable, battery life is better, etc. Unless of course you screw it up and brick your phone. But if you follow the instructions step by step (I can help you with that) you should be fine!
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I agree with all of the above (except for the chinese guy).
290 euros is not a big price tag for O2X, at least not on "first world" countries.
Even if you're not a very demanding user you will certainly enjoy flashing a custom ROM. Phone is smoother, more stable, battery life is better, etc. Unless of course you screw it up and brick your phone. But if you follow the instructions step by step (I can help you with that) you should be fine!
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i mean €290 for 2X is not worth , just 1 year the hardware is way behind. don't we consider ' cost performance' , maybe you shouldn't care the damn €520+ like some chinese, there are iphone4s everywhere in china.
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i mean €290 for 2X is not worth , just 1 year the hardware is way behind. don't we consider ' cost performance' , maybe you shouldn't care the damn €520+ like some chinese, there are iphone4s everywhere in china.
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My friend, can you tell me what's better than an O2X for 290 eur?
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chenjiaru said:
2x that price is too expensive , if you like app,you should buy iphon4 8g, but the 3.5 screen is too small. Android platform i will consider sumsung galaxy note,bigest screen , or lg optimus lte ,in china it just 2k5 ~= €300
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Its great price for it. Only reason for such price drop is that first wave of o2xs was crap and people lost trust in that phone.
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I can only talk about what I've tried.
I "test-drove" the phone for about three weeks with stock ROM and I liked it, didn't have any problems, no sleep of deaths, battery life was ok.
Then I tried temasek's kang and vadonka's kernel, and what was already good just got excellent. Phone is ultra stable, great performance, great battery life.
Regarding camera quality, obviously removing the plastic cover will get you better quality as you will not have distortion from the plastic, but be careful as this plastic is there to protect your camera lens. As long as you don't scratch the plastic cover you shouldn't have any trouble. Quality is acceptable for me... for a phone camera, obviously.
Flashing a custom ROM, as far as I know, doesn't improve picture quality.
doctorik said:
Hello guys,
I´d like to buy a new phone (my first smartphone), but not sure which one. Although I browsed through a lot of phones (not all, of course), I found only 3 phones that I truly like (mainly because of design and features included):
- LG Optimus Black (price 245 - 255 Euro)
- LG Optimus 2x (290 Euro)
- iPhone 4 16GB (520+ Euro)
Well, I´m not willing to pay 520+ Euro for brand new iPhone 4, so only 2 options remain. These are my pros for each of LGs:
LG Black
+ thinner and lighter
+ better screen ?? (not sure about this one)
LG 2x
+ dual core CPU
+ bigger internal memory
+ better camera and video
I know about crappy LG support and read about all bugs that you have suffered from (using 2x, not sure if Black is better in this area). I presume that I´d need to root phone (never did that) to get the best experience of it. But what would you suggest me? Should I buy Black or 2x? Or should I look elsewhere?
PS: I´m not power user and don´t need best out there (won´t play games much if at all). I just need fully functional phone with appealing design, very good screen (4-inch max.), good connectivity and very good camera.
THANKS for feedback.
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Go for o2x. Black has really outdated gpu. Or maybe htc evo 3D for 270€.
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HTC EVO 3D:
cons:
- Not gorilla glass
- Internal storage 1GB??
- Camera 5 MP
pros:
- 1.2 GHz CPU
- Non-Tegra GPU (everyone seems to hate Tegra)
- 1 GB RAM
- Slightly bigger screen
- Slightly bigger capacity battery
The first two cons are killers for me. You install 2 or 3 games and bye-bye 1 GB. I also like my screen to be scratch resistant. But it's a good suggestion nonetheless!
5mpx or 8mpx it doesnt matter on phone sizes sensors.
3D photos and videos are such a nice gimmick
1 gb internal storage - 10. class micro sd and switching internal with external.
Cons for me would be no gorrila glass and colors are nowhere near o2x.
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In my opinion the readability is great, but I can't compare it to the other devices you are asking about because I've never owned them... but compared to my last phone (LG GT540) it's really great!
I've just tried radio because of you, I had never tried it before And I can tell you it works perfectly.
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Flashing a custom ROM will get rid of any carrier logos + preloaded carrier apps
That's why I like it too
Flashing a custom rom (Temasek's Kang is very good, stable, smooth everythings working and the camera app can be replaced with the stock one but improved for 1080p video) will remove all the branding.
Root is like admin right in Windows, rooting a phone is like giving admin rights in windows, it can be used to remove branded apps (with titanium backup for example) but only apps.
For the HTC build quality, it seems that for the previous generation, there was too much model, many high end, many middle, many entry level models and the phone inferior to 300€ are just entry level so crappy material. That's why for 2012 there is only 3 phones, one for each price level.
For the quality of the 2X P990, it was marketed as an high end phone and build quality is not cheap, especialy that it have gorilla glass (optimus black too).
There was bad feedback for first batch but i bought mine 2 weeks ago (bought in France, the box all in german called LG Optimus Speed, made in Korea) and no problem.
For the camera quality, the back plastic that protect the camera is a fingerprint lover. I just wipe it on a sleeve, cristal clear.
The only dual core phone at 300€, just that.
The IPS screen is truly wonderful on the Optimus 2X, that's basically it's only redeeming feature.
Pros SGS2:
Bigger screen (but worse quality)
Thinner
Lighter
Better performance (stock ICS 4.0.4)
Better battery life
Faster IO - Apps very quick to "install".
The touchkey lights are not as bright as O2X, less annoying, only 2 not 4.
16GB internal
Cons:
Questionable strength, mine has a cracked screen, O2X has not ever cracked despite drops worse than those videos on YouTube.
Screen is really, really bad, I have high standards but christ AMOLED is the worst idea ever...
Battery needs to be removed to get SD card out.
O2X pros:
The screen is nice.
The O2X is more resistant to drops,
Better speaker (loud not call)
Cons:
Basically inferior to the SGS2 in every single way.
Camera is worse.
Heavier
Slower
Antutu benchmark
sgs2: 6595 - stock 100% ics
o2x: 5257 - nightly 08 nov CM10
Camera comparison:
SGS2 is top
o2x bottom
SGS2:
Warm colours, everything detailed nicely.
Wider field of view (Both phones were in same position when photo was taken, more or less. they were ontop of eachother.
LG2x:
Very washed out looking, not a lot of clarity to the image.
http://imgur.com/a/YE9KS
It is difficult to do a comparison, the O2X is a little faster around the operating system, opening/closing apps etc, but that's because of JB I would say.
If you think the SGS2 screen is bad, you should see the PENTILE super amoleds (e.g. gs1, ns)
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If you think the SGS2 screen is bad, you should see the PENTILE super amoleds (e.g. gs1, ns)
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ugh. I don't want to imagine anything worse than what the SGS2 has.
Yep, x2 feels outdated compared to sgs2
But the sound quality on sgs2 is just unacceptable
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Yep, x2 feels outdated compared to sgs2
But the sound quality on sgs2 is just unacceptable
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Yea I did notice the speaker wasn't great.
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Yea I did notice the speaker wasn't great.
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Good to know. I was thinking about SGS2 for replacing my O2X because IMHO external speaker of O2X sounds bad (my wife has an Xperia Neo V and to my ears the external speaker sounds better and louder), and knowing this I'll no longer consider SGS2.
Battery? I mean with 3g always on
For me it was a disaster with the LG while the S1 of my father was great, don't know much about the S2
Haven't had it long enough to test battery.
I assume its better just based on my light usage.
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I have had enought about these comparisons ..
Compare SGS2 with Ainol Novo 7 Crystal
$100 VS what ever SGS2 price right now
7" VS what ever SGS2 screen is
price to performance ..
i know its not "apple" to "apple" and its ridicilous comparing phones with tablet ..
but you making a new thread for this is silly
comparing phone with "antutu" :cyclops:
but i think yes .. if LG can make the softkey a little bit smaller .. than the screen may have something like 4.3" ,, that must be great ..
but please .. dont make another thread to compare phones .. this is O2X thread ..
IMO amoleds are worst if compared with IPS LCDs
AMOLED = saturated colours
+ black spots on screen(by product of amoled manufacturing processes)
Only good thing about amoleds are contrast ratio is good
I have both optimus 2x n galaxy nexus
And i have my nexus screen and built quality, all plastic
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seriousia said:
IMO amoleds are worst if compared with IPS LCDs
AMOLED = saturated colours
+ black spots on screen(by product of amoled manufacturing processes)
Only good thing about amoleds are contrast ratio is good
I have both optimus 2x n galaxy nexus
And i have my nexus screen and built quality, all plastic
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Also in games I notice weird little patches around effects, I just hate this screen lol.
Doubt I'll ever use my 2x again, gave it to my sister. Had no idea how much better the s2 was all this time, should have sold up ages ago, or just paid the extra $100 for the s2 13 months ago when I bought the 2x..
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I've had a SGSII and i could say that it is a great phone period. But OX2 It's better in a lot of thing's. Only in battery life, camera and memory is inferior to SGSII
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I've had a SGSII and i could say that it is a great phone period. But OX2 It's better in a lot of thing's. Only in battery life, camera and memory is inferior to SGSII
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Would never substitute my penguin o2x even if someone would gift me samsung galaxy s2...:good:
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Would never substitute my penguin o2x even if someone would gift me samsung galaxy s2...:good:
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SGSII it's a really good device, but has his problems, it's normal. But you should try cyangalop on OX2
I think buying the 2X was one of the worst decisions in my mobile history. The phone was unnecessarily slow and support was the worst ever. I should have gone with the GS2, but now I'm very satisfied with the GS3. Don't get me wrong, I really tried to get the most out of the 2X, but it's performance frustrated me.
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who cares about your samsungs, iphones or any other phones else than p990... this is o2x forum... thanks
60nine said:
who cares about your samsungs, iphones or any other phones else than p990... this is o2x forum... thanks
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I think my comment was on topic here. Not sure what your point is.
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i was talking in general... not reffering to your post...
whole threads like this are offtopic in general - only my 2 cents...
You can't compare a phone to another that is 100 eur more expensive... or... you can compare it... but you would have to try to think in terms of price/quality ratio... and I would say the O2X gives you a pretty good bang for your buck. Of course if it was now I would go for the N4, not even a slightest doubt in my mind.