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Send Expansys Diamond Back For Refund?

Hi all, first post so hello. I've been reading various reports on here and elsewhere about expansys' so called UK version.
Will the official UK phone be any different/better? I'm a bit concerned and wondered whether to send it back and wait for Tmobile to release it.
What you reckon?

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If you purchase a T-Mobile it will be locked not unlocked and I beleive the number will be HTC P3702 or 3.

The UK version will have more up-to-date software (HTC have delayed the release date to apply software fixes). Also, the Expansys Diamonds have been imported from HK, so it's not clear what will happen about the warranty.
If I were you, I'd play with the Diamond for a bit, then send it back to Expansys and try to get my money back. Then I'd buy an unlocked Diamond whenever it is properly released in the UK (probably sometime between the 15th and 25th) for much cheaper from somewhere like Play.com, TotalPDA or INKINO (I can't believe Expansys are charging even more than INKINO).

Dark Fire said:
The UK version will have more up-to-date software (HTC have delayed the release date to apply software fixes). Also, the Expansys Diamonds have been imported from HK, so it's not clear what will happen about the warranty.
If I were you, I'd play with the Diamond for a bit, then send it back to Expansys and try to get my money back. Then I'd buy an unlocked Diamond whenever it is properly released in the UK (probably sometime between the 15th and 25th) for much cheaper from somewhere like Play.com, TotalPDA or INKINO (I can't believe Expansys are charging even more than INKINO).
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Thanks for the quick replies.
I paid £120 for it with a 12 month £42.50 contract. Only had it couple of days so i think i have 14 days to cancel?

nokmond said:
Thanks for the quick replies.
I paid £120 for it with a 12 month £42.50 contract. Only had it couple of days so i think i have 14 days to cancel?
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I think thats expensive. Its probably cheaper for you to get it offline (totalpda 410, play.com about the same), and get some other phone for free with contract and ebay that.. or get just a contract at a discounted price from these online stores.

someone1234 said:
I think thats expensive. Its probably cheaper for you to get it offline (totalpda 410, play.com about the same), and get some other phone for free with contract and ebay that.. or get just a contract at a discounted price from these online stores.
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Thanks. How would i stand with returning the phone and cancelling the contract? Is it 14days to cancel? Would i get my £120 refunded?

nokmond said:
Thanks. How would i stand with returning the phone and cancelling the contract? Is it 14days to cancel? Would i get my £120 refunded?
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yes you will get all money back maybe a restock fee will apply, but most contract provides should not charge this.

You'll get a total refund. You're covered by distance selling regulations. Some people call this a cooling off period, but its actually to protect you from shoddy descriptions, since you can't physically see the product.
This 'cooling off' period is a myth, and doesnt automatically apply to phone contracts by any law. All networks build it into their T&C when you buy direct, but be very careful, some retailers like carephone warehouse for example are agents for say O2, and so have their own contract, which has no cooling off. If you walked into carephone warehouse store and signed up you'd be outta luck. Online, you could use distance selling regulations to cancel (yeah they still apply because its seen as a product).
If in dought, always buy online (with a decent credit card). Sounds funny doesnt it? only a coupla years ago we would be advising the opposite! But you have alot more protection now online and with a credit card.
Refuse to pay any restocking fee if they ask you for one say its not a UK device as advertised. All else fails, call your credit card company and let them deal with it

someone1234 said:
You'll get a total refund. You're covered by distance selling regulations. Some people call this a cooling off period, but its actually to protect you from shoddy descriptions, since you can't physically see the product.
This 'cooling off' period is a myth, and doesnt automatically apply to phone contracts by any law. All networks build it into their T&C when you buy direct, but be very careful, some retailers like carephone warehouse for example are agents for say O2, and so have their own contract, which has no cooling off. If you walked into carephone warehouse store and signed up you'd be outta luck. Online, you could use distance selling regulations to cancel (yeah they still apply because its seen as a product).
If in dought, always buy online (with a decent credit card). Sounds funny doesnt it? only a coupla years ago we would be advising the opposite! But you have alot more protection now online and with a credit card.
Refuse to pay any restocking fee if they ask you for one say its not a UK device as advertised. All else fails, call your credit card company and let them deal with it
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Thanks. I paid for it via credit card from expansys. Looks like play.com will be a better option.

nokmond said:
Thanks. I paid for it via credit card from expansys. Looks like play.com will be a better option.
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There's also a power seller on ebay eCell or something for 400 quid including postage. It'll be another import, but at that price i do think it may be worth considering for some people.

Ordering From UK Clove

ok can someone please tell me what kind of duties you pay when u order from clove from the uk to usa? i want to know should i order there or order from expansys usa. expansys usa is charging like 940 for the unit where as clove uk with the conversion rate is about 760
thanks

u pay the straight price and shipping only.

I was also considering buying from them, but would appreciate feedback from anyone who's dealt with them. How is their service? How quickly do they action (dispatch) your order? Do they charge you immediately, or when they dispatch?
Thanks.

My shipment was delayed by 1-2 days since they required some additional confirmation of my shipping address in the US (another complication was I was shipping to WORK, different from my billing address!)
I emailed them asking about my order, at which point they said 'oh yea we require some additional infor since you're a "first time customer"', so I sent them a copy of a random bill, and a copy of the top of my paystub (since it had my work address on it -- they didn't ask for this). Said I was good to go and they shipped it later that day...
however I anticipated receiving (via DHL) this afternoon -- tracking now says its "on hold" -- I called DHL, and the phone did not clear customs. Apparently DHL did not add it to the cargo manifest so it was not cleared while in the air. Plane lands, they unload, have no record of customs clearance so they hold it. I had to send DHL a copy of my 1040, and apparently they do customs clearing late at night, which means my X1 is hanging out in Ohio right now (I'm in ATL); hopefully it gets moving, and FAST, once they clear it. But they said that could take 1-2 business days.
I am going to NYC on Wednesday, I REALLLLY want the X1 before then (you know, Google Maps n stuff )
But the Clove price was GREAT! Anticpated paying much more, especially considering other retailers are listing in the 8-900s+, where I thought I would have to be paying...

abdul.aziz said:
I was also considering buying from them, but would appreciate feedback from anyone who's dealt with them. How is their service? How quickly do they action (dispatch) your order? Do they charge you immediately, or when they dispatch?
Thanks.
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I ordered from Clove and they were awesome. Excellent communication, great price and delivered as promised. They notified me ahead of time about the credit card verification process (which is a good thing) so that didn't slow my order down. Other than that catch ordering through them, it was a smooth, easy transaction.
I ordered back at the beginning of October and didn't ship immediately so I can't comment on the processing time to ship for in stock items. However, I got an email on 10/20 saying my X1 would ship on 10/27 and they were right on. Also, my card was not charged until it was shipped.
Bottom line, I'd highly recommend them on price, service and quality. Not to mention super fast DHL 2 day shipping from the UK (for impatient people like me).
Hope that helps

Clove was perfect. i had preorders on two other sites that were selling for $950-1000. 425 L + 37 L shipping = 462 L total. In USD, it translated to $739.77. $250+ cheaper than mobileplanet (expansys) or mobilecityonline.
ordered on oct 22nd. received an e-mail on friday the 24th regarding incoming inventory and authorization of credit card, shipped out monday morning the 27th, and received the 29th of wednesday in CT.
interestingly, the box is not sealed (i.e. didn't have the sticker that says nobody has opened it before). did anybody else's have one of those?

SCtud said:
interestingly, the box is not sealed (i.e. didn't have the sticker that says nobody has opened it before). did anybody else's have one of those?
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I noticed there was no seal too but completely forgot about it when I saw the X1, lol. It looked like they threw in a couple little fliers/ads for software and accessories so maybe that's why.

nice i wanted to know this also given that i was thinkin about ordering from clove also so how much in total were you goes getting them and what kinda shipping did you pay and get overnight? 2 day

read my post? it's all answered there.

I ordered with Clove on the morning of the 24th (this monday), they stated that i would be getting the device on the 30th or 31th (they should be getting stock on the 29th), i just found out now that they're only getting stock on the 12th of November and i had to ask why my order wasn't shipped yet. They didn't warn me before hand that i wasn't getting my order on the date they stated...

I ordered from Clove, UK.
1. I ordered it last Sat online (before the stock dried up )
2. Called early Monday and had some trouble trying to get my Credit card company to give Clove the authorization number (Clove needs it to verify buyer but my CC company doesn't allow distribution to anyone. Finally, Clove just sent it out anyway). I got it WED!!!! No issues with Customs, etc.
3. I paid $712 for the phone (unbranded/unlocked) and 2 Day DHL shipping (which is almost $300 less than other competitors). It was a retail version and brand new.
4.. Their customer service was outstanding, really tried to help me get this phone. They shipped within hours of CC authorization and approval. I got Tracking Number within hours also. They if anything, are too cautious (thats a good thing) with their verification of orders.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND, VERY HONEST SELLER.

neur0x said:
I ordered with Clove on the morning of the 24th (this monday), they stated that i would be getting the device on the 30th or 31th (they should be getting stock on the 29th), i just found out now that they're only getting stock on the 12th of November and i had to ask why my order wasn't shipped yet. They didn't warn me before hand that i wasn't getting my order on the date they stated...
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I ordered on the 27th of October (I think you meant 27th as well) and haven't gotten any email update yet. Which worries me because now I have to wait as well....uugggh.. Feel like ordering somewhere else then but they say patience is a virtue... T_T
EDIT: As far as a company I ordered from them my Touch Pro back in August and had no issues with the service. Just wish the x1 was more widely available.

Clove The Best !!
I ordered my X1 on friday 10/24, had to call cc company to verify purchase.
received my phone yesterday 10/29.
excellent company and customer service !!
Cost $ 765 with DHL international.
Highly recommended !!
much better than Expansys who tried to charge me $965 for the phone, then tried to tell me that Clove is not a good company when i cancelled their order.
Cheers.

Did Clove tell you to call your CC company or did you do this on your own?

Clove sucks.
I pre-ordered on October 8th thinking that I was assured a unit. Sadly I was mistaken. On Tuesday I had sent an email wondering what had happened to my unit. They replied asking me to send them a recent credit report or transaction number from my credit card company. I choose to send the transaction number since it seemed a safer solution. After checking my credit history I was amazed to see that I was yet to be charged. I sent an email telling them I could not send a transaction number since no transaction was placed, and decided to fax them a credit report stating my address. A day later they emailed me and offered their condolences as they had sold out of Black units and said that the people who confirmed the security check first would receive them first as there was a lot of demand. I told them they had only sent me a security check after requesting information as to the whereabouts of my order. They of course told me all security checks emails were sent out on the same day. This is absolutly absurred.
So to clarify:
-I ordered on the 8th of October
-First batch came in on the 24th
-They sold out on 27th
-Received email for security check on 28th
-Sent security check on 29th (early in the morning)
-Declined first batch on 30th
-Promised (?) a unit on the next shipment, November 12th.
My question is how they can advertize a product for pre-order if they sell the units on a first come first serve basis. Their clumpsyness is unactable.

Well I just got off the phone with Expansys. They tried to switch my order to a US order to "stop me from paying duties and customs taxes." The guy also told me that they always ship US orders from their UK store from the US and Expansys currently has 300 back orders right now.
The last part is the only bit of truth I got out of him. I've ordered from Expansys UK before and it came from the UK and I didn't have to pay any taxes. All he was trying to do was make me pay the higher price on the US website and wait longer. What a crock of #$%^
Long story short, I'm keeping my order with Clove even if I have to wait until Nov 12th for it to ship out. I might try eBay but I don't know if I'm going to risk it not to mention the prices are way too high.

veloaudio said:
Well I just got off the phone with Expansys. They tried to switch my order to a US order to "stop me from paying duties and customs taxes." The guy also told me that they always ship US orders from their UK store from the US and Expansys currently has 300 back orders right now.
The last part is the only bit of truth I got out of him. I've ordered from Expansys UK before and it came from the UK and I didn't have to pay any taxes. All he was trying to do was make me pay the higher price on the US website and wait longer. What a crock of #$%^
Long story short, I'm keeping my order with Clove even if I have to wait until Nov 12th for it to ship out. I might try eBay but I don't know if I'm going to risk it not to mention the prices are way too high.
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So are you saying that if you ordered from the UK expansys you wouldn't get it anytime? Or are u saying that the US expansys has 300 back orders?

+1 for Clove.
I ordered a TP back in August over a weekend, they processed the transaction on Monday (I sent them an email with the 6-digit transaction number for confirmation) and shipped it out same day. It missed the outbound DHL flight that night but was on its way the next day; had the TP in my hands by 11am Wednesday, west coast US.
For clarification, Clove needs you to confirm your CC only if you're a new customer. This is so that they don't end up exporting the phones to bad orders (black market, etc). As long as you've got your billing/shipping info all straight with your CC issuer (you might also call ahead to let them know to expect the charge in GB Pounds), there should be no major problems, except waiting for stock to arrive.

Bxsteez said:
So are you saying that if you ordered from the UK expansys you wouldn't get it anytime? Or are u saying that the US expansys has 300 back orders?
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The guy was very vague and when I'd ask him to clarify he kept asking me how I wanted it shipped (Ground, 2 day, or Next Day)?!?! He made the statement that Expansys had 300 back orders (I would assume UK since the US store is still a preorder). He also said that they are supposed to get more next week but that the shipment wouldn't be enough to fill all the back orders. He was basically telling me that anyone in the US that ordered form the UK store really ordered from the US store (they would hand off the transaction to US). I should have hung up and called back when he said that because that is a lie.
Bottom line I don't know what the call really accomplished except that this guy was trying to scam me. I am inclined to believe the 300 back orders because of the demand for the phone. Take it with a grain of salt though.

I thought it was slightly strange that with all the demand for the silver one they had 100+ listed this morning. I'm going to call them and see if they actually have some in stock or if they are just lying.

Anyone able to order HD7 from Tmobile Customer Service yet?

So, I logged into my account to check on the HD7 pricing and it's there now. It shows 499 with a 50 dollar discount, bringing it to 449. I almost pulled the trigger, but I wanted to call and see if they could do something on the price. So, I did. And apparently, they don't have the listing in their system yet!?? Although, she did say she'd try and help out on reducing the price and would call me on Monday (the release day) to get it sorted out. My concern is on release day, I'm sure it's going to back ordered. Anyone else have any experiences to share?

Yes,I was able to order mine on Tmobile yesterday and got the email confirmation too with the estimated delivery date of 11/04( really hope so) and got a text message today that its being processed and will soon get a tracking number when it ships.

molten83 said:
Yes,I was able to order mine on Tmobile yesterday and got the email confirmation too with the estimated delivery date of 11/04( really hope so) and got a text message today that its being processed and will soon get a tracking number when it ships.
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Maybe I should've just done it today then. I checked all day yesterday (so I thought) and didn't see it on there until around 0650 cst this morning. Now it's not on the site period. Maybe a few calls like mine and they realized they messed up. But, definitely let us know if they get it to you by the 4th. Or at least if I was you, I would call and complain if it didn't get there, no matter if they made a mistake or not.

I just logged into my T-Mobile account and looked up for HD7 upgrade. I am getting a price of $499. I am on Even more plus plan. So thats fair.
As far as the estimated shipping date is concerned, its showing up as 11/9. So I did not move any forward. I might as well pick it up on the 8th in the stores.

VizagDude said:
I just logged into my T-Mobile account and looked up for HD7 upgrade. I am getting a price of $499. I am on Even more plus plan. So thats fair.
As far as the estimated shipping date is concerned, its showing up as 11/9. So I did not move any forward. I might as well pick it up on the 8th in the stores.
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I came to the same conclusion.. I'd like to pick up the phone at the store.. and play with it a bit.. I'm still torn between this phone and the venue pro..

Yeah, I just logged in again and almost pulled the trigger. But, maybe you guys are right and I should wait until I get a chance to mess with it at the store. I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy it anyways and just keep my HD2 just in case I end up not liking it. Worst case scenario is you buy it, unlock it and sell it overseas for a profit anyways.

everytime i go to upgrade phone page it gives me an error !!
Sorry, please try again later.
Our systems are currently unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience.
anyone else having this problem?

Nope, it shows just fine. Although, the phone isn't listed now. It did the same thing yesterday. It's there all day and then at night, it's gone. I'm still trying to hold out on just dropping the 450..500 after tax on it and see what Tmobile will try to shave off it for me at launch. But, trust me, I've just about put my card info in twice. And had it showed it be delivered before the 8th, or even on the 8th. I would've probably done it.

So I own my phone, no contract and I use TMO US service. If i go to the web site and sign in it wont let me buy the phone!...I mean how stupid is that..because I dont have a contract and I own my phone?...Every time I try to buy it it say Im not eligible for an upgrade even though Im not asking for an upgrade. Very frustrating, and bad business.

nevermind..
I also have no contract but I don't get that message about not being eligible for an upgrade.. it takes me to a list of devices I can buy..

Oddly enough, now it hasn't been up on the site all day. Here's something else to look for. If you just do a search for "hd 7" on the Tmobile site. The Samsung Galaxy Tab comes up with the HD7. It shows the button for upgrade, but you can't buy either one right now. But, it's an indication of it coming.

I guess they realised the mistake they made.I was able to order mine on 11/01 and the email confirmation said I will get it on the 11/04 but its showing in my order status that my phone will be delivered on the 8th.

Well i just got off the phone with TMO. They WONT let me buy the phone now because I dont have a two year contract. They told me I would have to wait till monday!..I told them how this was a terrible business practice..that they were turning down a 500 dollar sale and they basically said ...to bad.
Terrible way to run a business.

molten83 said:
I guess they realised the mistake they made.I was able to order mine on 11/01 and the email confirmation said I will get it on the 11/04 but its showing in my order status that my phone will be delivered on the 8th.
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Sounds about like them. And come to see, they make many revealing mistakes. Like now if you search for the HD7 on the Tmobile website. It will pull that and a listing for the Samsung Galaxy Tab (no price though). You can hit upgrade, but unfortunately it won't take you to the order page like the HD7 did. Well, at least you'll actually get it on the 8th instead of it being shipped on the 8th.
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Well i just got off the phone with TMO. They WONT let me buy the phone now because I dont have a two year contract. They told me I would have to wait till monday!..I told them how this was a terrible business practice..that they were turning down a 500 dollar sale and they basically said ...to bad.
Terrible way to run a business.
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Yeah, that is definitely terrible on their part. Who cares if you're on contract or not. It's a NO contract price that you're paying. I would definitely complain when you order it on Monday and at least get them to take off 50 bucks or something for the inconvenience. I mean you do pay for service every month just like everyone else.

I was able to get the order on 11/01 also. I talked to tmobile and they said that it was a glitch in the system. they said if you receive the wrong phone you can send it back. My card was charged $379 I even got a text message stating that it was being processed. so hopefully I get the phone on the 8th

Blueightytwo said:
I was able to get the order on 11/01 also. I talked to tmobile and they said that it was a glitch in the system. they said if you receive the wrong phone you can send it back. My card was charged $379 I even got a text message stating that it was being processed. so hopefully I get the phone on the 8th
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$379? Wow. What did you pay for? Phone is $250 (before $50 rebate).

sorry I payed $329.99 for the first installment after that they charge $40 for 4 months. 329.99 + 160 $489.99

Blueightytwo said:
sorry I payed $329.99 for the first installment after that they charge $40 for 4 months. 329.99 + 160 $489.99
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Oh you bought full price with installments. That makes more sense now. Haha.

went to go see the status of my order and it now says we are unable to retrieve the status of your order. Hope the phone is still being processed and hope my card is not charged if they removed my order. anyone else have this problem if you ordered it on 11/01?

I'm having the same problem: unable to retrieve status. And I have no tracking info when I try "track by reference" with my cell number on the UPS site.

[Q] Where to NOT buy white Note?

I can answer my own question... NOT FROM SIMPLYELECTRONICS.NET
Why?
Trying to deal with them has been harder than performing brain surgery in the dark with one hand tied behind my back.
Ordered a white Note on January 25th. They needed extra identity verification (aka the documents they need to defraud me a month from now). I order from B&H all the time with orders exceeding $2,000 without having to verify my identity.
Fine, I played their game, January 28th rolls around and it can't ship till next week because they are backed up. I tell them forget it, to cancel it, and I will get it from someone else who can do business professionally.
Between January 28-30. I have FOUR comfirmation email cancelling my order from TWO diff reps and from the
[email protected]
email. Now today, February 2, I receive an email that my order has shipped and here is your tracking number...
Scammers folks. Terrible customer service. Been sitting on the phone for ONE HOUR trying to talk to someone live....no one will pick up. No one is returning my emails. I just filed for fraud on my credit card, I will refuse the package when it arrives, telling you guys here, and also prepping my attorney for anything.
SimplyElectronics.net is not professional, not prompt, sketchy, involved in fraud throughout Europe, and by far the worst company I've ever dealt with.

I pretty much agree with you.
I ordered an HTC Flyer last August. It took about two weeks before they sent it out. The tracking code was emailed two days after shipping the parcel. And then DHL decided to f*ck up the delivery - returning the parcel to UK. After a month and a dozen emails I finally got my money back.
On November I noticed that they were selling the Flyer very cheap - around 330€ for the 3G model (here in Finland it's 700€) so I decided to order it again. A few days after the payment I was asked for identification which I sent immediately. Two days after this I was informed that ALL of the 3G Flyers were "damaged" during delivery and couldn't be sold. That's bull****. Another few weeks of waiting and I got my money back.
And then the Note. It took a week to send it, even though the web page says it will be shipped in 1-2 days. Eventually got my Note but it's an HK model and there was no pre-filled warranty card included. So no chance of a possible warranty service here then.
Simplyelectronics appears to have little to none physical stock - all they do is hunt cheap items, ship them to the UK and off to customers. If they advertise a price and run into problems and are unable to purchase the item for a cheap price, they come up with an excuse like the damaged boxes with the Flyer. Different camera forums have also reported similar behaviour.
I won't be purchasing anything from Simplyelectronics anymore.

@justus... I just don't understand why you went back to the same company to do a business again after you experienced hick ups with them... But you dealt with them again buying a note from them ?? I JUST CAN'T SEE ANY VALID REASON AS TO WHY YOU KEPT WENT BACK TO THEM AND GO THROUGH THESE HASSLES YOU DESCRIBED... JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND... REALLY, YOU JUST HAVE TO BLAME YOURSELF FOR GOING BACK TO THAT UNPROFESSIONAL COMPANY FOR A BUSINESS...
FOR ME, IF THAT HAPPENED TO ME.... THAT WILL BE END OF DEALING WITH THEM... THATS IT.... THERE ARE HEAPS OF OTHER RETAILERS OUT THERE SPECIALLY IN ENGLAND WHERE I PURCHASE MY GALAXY NOTE AND NOT ONLY AT GOOD PRICE BUT ONLY TOOK 4 DAYS TO SHIP TO AUSTRALIA....
YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH ONLY 4 DAYS IN SHIPPING TO AUSTRALIA FROM ENGLAND.. I MEAN DOMESTIC PARCEL TAKES AROUND 4 DAYS...

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@justus... I just don't understand why you went back to the same company to do a business again after you experienced hick ups with them... But you dealt with them again buying a note from them ?? I JUST CAN'T SEE ANY VALID REASON AS TO WHY YOU KEPT WENT BACK TO THEM AND GO THROUGH THESE HASSLES YOU DESCRIBED... JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND... REALLY, YOU JUST HAVE TO BLAME YOURSELF FOR GOING BACK TO THAT UNPROFESSIONAL COMPANY FOR A BUSINESS...
FOR ME, IF THAT HAPPENED TO ME.... THAT WILL BE END OF DEALING WITH THEM... THATS IT.... THERE ARE HEAPS OF OTHER RETAILERS OUT THERE SPECIALLY IN ENGLAND WHERE I PURCHASE MY GALAXY NOTE AND NOT ONLY AT GOOD PRICE BUT ONLY TOOK 4 DAYS TO SHIP TO AUSTRALIA....
YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH ONLY 4 DAYS IN SHIPPING TO AUSTRALIA FROM ENGLAND.. I MEAN DOMESTIC PARCEL TAKES AROUND 4 DAYS...
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mustang2012 said:
@justus... I just don't understand why you went back to the same company to do a business again after you experienced hick ups with them...
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Because at that time they were one of the very few offering the white Note, and since they ship from UK I was able to avoid VAT.

I got mine from Expansys uk. I did have to verify my address but I haven't ordered from them before. Next day delivery though and I was very pleased.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda premium

Also ordered mine from eXpansys. Great support, friendly and quick staff. Also, even though online system told me estimated availability was 2-5 business days, I received my package overnight ... and we are talking international shipping!
I am in no way affiliated with eXpansys, nor do I receive monetary compensation for posting my experiences ;-) Just wanted to do a shout-out for awesome service.

My (not so good) Handtec experience

Hi,
I ordered a Nexus 4 from Handtec on the release day. The amount was withdrawn from my credit card immediately.
A couple of days ago my order was cancelled and I got a refund. However due to conversion rates I lost 20 EUR.
This is not a big deal but the explanation from handtec was that it's nothing they can do about it.
1. They can deliver what I ordered. Do not take orders for products they can't deliver.
2. Do not withdraw the amount until the item has been shipped.
When I sent the above they answered by closing my support ticket. Disturbing!
I can live with this but it's a matter of principle. I will not order anything from Handtec again and I would recommend everyone to stay away from Handtec.
BR/Svanteson

That's the risk when buying in other currencies. The opposite happened to me, it's just the way money works.
The companies are only obligated to make the refund in the currency they operate with, and the amount they charged, so...

mELIANTE said:
The opposite happened to me, it's just the way money works.
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I want in on this scam!!

ziddey said:
I want in on this scam!!
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Currency trading FTW!

Bad Experience with Handtec
Shortly before Christmas 2012 I purchased a (alleged unlocked) Galaxy S3 from Handtec. This was the fourth phone I had purchased from them and until then having had no problems had no reason to contact them after purchase.
The phone was set up for Virgin Media Internet France (which took a factory re-boot to uninstall). The phone, from what Samsung, Virgin Media and others told me was that it was most likely that it had been previously installed with a Virgin SIM card – a French one at that! The phone had been set up in French, the instructions were in French and it had a continental plug. It is my opinion that it was purchased by Virgin to be sold as a locked phone through their French outlets (which went bust last week) and that job lots were sold off to wholesalers.
The person I spoke to at their call centre told me that I should have been told it was an import (definitely not told!!) and I should have looked on the web where it was displayed (I placed the order by phone). The manager was off hand and I was left with the definite impression that it was “We don’t really care about your problems”.
Would I recommend them? Before this I had done so but not anymore – my advice is to pay a little more and purchase it from a store where you can go back and see them face to face.
I had thought of reporting them to Trading Standards but, hopefully, it this makes someone think twice about buying from them then they will have lost not only my custom but others.