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since all the hardware specs are the same besides the atrix having 1gb LP DDR2 ram and the O2X/G2X having 512mb DDR2 ram, how does the O2X/G2X out benchmark the atrix in all the programs tested except for linpack and sunspider (linpack doesn't really count since it doesn't seem to play nice with dual core)?
here's the link to the benchmarks androidandme.com/2011/03/news/tegra-2-benchmarks-motorola-atrix-4g-vs-lg-optimus-2x
even though the atrix has higher resolution, someone did the calcluations:
The Motorola Atrix 4G is 540 x 960 = 518400 pixels
At 55fps * 518000 pixels = 28490000 pixels per second
The LG Optimus 2X is 800 x 480 = 384000 pixels
At 77fps * 384000 pixels = 29568000 pixels per second
29568000 / 28490000 = 1.038.
So the screen resolution explains most of the difference but the Optimus is still ~4% faster.
4% may not seem like much, but keep in mind the optimus 2x has half the ram.
There must be something I'm missing.
You can't really just compare screen resolutions like that. GPU drivers could be different. 4% is really not much. Ram doesn't really make a phone faster as such. It just let's it keep more stuff in memory so it doesn't have to be reloaded.
I know 4% isnt much but what confuses me is that its the phone with half the ram that gets better performance. And for computers the biggest performance boost possible is from ram. But i guess if they arent utilizing the amount of ram available thats a different story
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I know 4% isnt much but what confuses me is that its the phone with half the ram that gets better performance. And for computers the biggest performance boost possible is from ram. But i guess if they arent utilizing the amount of ram available thats a different story
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The reason PCs with low ram get's slow is because in order to get room for more data/programs in ram they start using the extremely slow disk as 'backup' for the ram (swap). Android doesn't do that... It just closes old running programs.
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I know 4% isnt much but what confuses me is that its the phone with half the ram that gets better performance. And for computers the biggest performance boost possible is from ram. But i guess if they arent utilizing the amount of ram available thats a different story
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RAM isn't tested by these benchmarks.
@Real world: Atrix is faster than O2X accept you love game on mobile. Quadrant show me Atrix is faster in CPU, RAM, I/O; slower in graphic. Totally, Atrix faster.
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@Real world: Atrix is faster than O2X accept you love game on mobile. Quadrant show me Atrix is faster in CPU, RAM, I/O; slower in graphic. Totally, Atrix faster.
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No, I don't think you're correct:
http://androidandme.com/2011/03/news/tegra-2-benchmarks-motorola-atrix-4g-vs-lg-optimus-2x/
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No, I don't think you're correct:
http://androidandme.com/2011/03/news/tegra-2-benchmarks-motorola-atrix-4g-vs-lg-optimus-2x/
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As I said in real world. Benchmark can't show how you use it. Atrix has 1GB of Ram vs O2X has 512MB so you will not feel any lagging with Atrix, but O2X lag with multitasking or using phone long time since boot. I have both of them now.
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As I said in real world. Benchmark can't show how you use it. Atrix has 1GB of Ram vs O2X has 512MB so you will not feel any lagging with Atrix, but O2X lag with multitasking or using phone long time since boot. I have both of them now.
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funny. cause i can see lots of lags in motoblur's atrix. heck even the pinch to zoom on photos in atrix's 3d gallery is choppy ( i should know cause my brother has one and he hated it so much- im not trolling)
on "MY REAL WORLD" optimus 2x is a lot faster. even on gaming.
and became 'FASTEST" with all the modifications done by Paul and the other devs of optimus 2x.
unlocked bootloader is sweet.
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As I said in real world. Benchmark can't show how you use it. Atrix has 1GB of Ram vs O2X has 512MB so you will not feel any lagging with Atrix, but O2X lag with multitasking or using phone long time since boot. I have both of them now.
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Look, I think it's marginal and I do agree that the greater amount of RAM offers much better overhead.
But, I still disagree in principle and yes, I've used both. I can get both to lag - my perception was that the O2x seemed faster when it wasn't bugging out.
I still believe that bug free software will always seem faster on the O2x until the resolution performance hit can be resolved with qHD displays.
Don't both those phones have ddr ram not ddr2?
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Don't both those phones have ddr ram not ddr2?
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The g2x/o2x has 512mb ddr2 sdram while the atrix has 1gb lpddr2 sdram
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funny. cause i can see lots of lags in motoblur's atrix. heck even the pinch to zoom on photos in atrix's 3d gallery is choppy ( i should know cause my brother has one and he hated it so much- im not trolling)
on "MY REAL WORLD" optimus 2x is a lot faster. even on gaming.
and became 'FASTEST" with all the modifications done by Paul and the other devs of optimus 2x.
unlocked bootloader is sweet.
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I agree with you about unlocked bootloader.
On gaming, of course O2X is faster. But with Gingerblur + some unwanted file removed, Atrix will be faster than O2X . No lag in 3D Gallery. Maybe your brother's Atrix run default ( with Motoblur ).
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Look, I think it's marginal and I do agree that the greater amount of RAM offers much better overhead.
But, I still disagree in principle and yes, I've used both. I can get both to lag - my perception was that the O2x seemed faster when it wasn't bugging out.
I still believe that bug free software will always seem faster on the O2x until the resolution performance hit can be resolved with qHD displays.
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I agree with you about Ram and qHD only
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I agree with you about Ram and qHD only
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You should update you info, since it says you only have an Atrix.
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You should update you info, since it says you only have an Atrix.
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Ok! I will do if I keep it about more than 1 month
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I agree with you about unlocked bootloader.
On gaming, of course O2X is faster. But with Gingerblur + some unwanted file removed, Atrix will be faster than O2X . No lag in 3D Gallery. Maybe your brother's Atrix run default ( with Motoblur ).
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And with MCR or other modified MCR roms and custom kernels. O2x performance became very satisfying and fast.
Unlocked bootloader ftw!
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And with MCR or other modified MCR roms and custom kernels. O2x performance became very satisfying and fast.
Unlocked bootloader ftw!
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LOL I wish side by side with you to compare real world performance between A4G and O2X. When both phones be upgraded to gingerbread, we will talk again
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RAM isn't tested by these benchmarks.
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No, overall performance is - and that is influenced by RAM.
Less RAM might actually help performance, depending on the efficiency of the setup and the quality of the hardware.
How's your gaming on the DROID 3? I've played nova 3, asphalt 7 and mc3 and all 3 seem really smooth and lag free. That seems strange to me since we only have 512mb of ram but maybe someone else is having the same luck...all I know is gaming is smoother on here than it was my ATRIX 2 (with same gpu and double the ram)
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How's your gaming on the DROID 3? I've played nova 3, asphalt 7 and mc3 and all 3 seem really smooth and lag free. That seems strange to me since we only have 512mb of ram but maybe someone else is having the same luck...all I know is gaming is smoother on here than it was my ATRIX 2 (with same gpu and double the ram)
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I've had NOVA3 and Mass Effect: Infiltrator run pretty well for the most part, though both freeze up on me quite badly at times, mostly in areas that are large and/or have lots of fancy graphical effects going on. I'm not running the latest official ROM though, I've got the 890 or something, I don't know how much of an effect that has.
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I've had NOVA3 and Mass Effect: Infiltrator run pretty well for the most part, though both freeze up on me quite badly at times, mostly in areas that are large and/or have lots of fancy graphical effects going on. I'm not running the latest official ROM though, I've got the 890 or something, I don't know how much of an effect that has.
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Is mass effect any fun on the DROID 3?
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Yeah, it actually is! I've never been big on touchscreen controls, but the movement and aiming is pretty well-done. I'm a big fan of the whole series, so that might bias me.
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Is it a short game or pretty decent?
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You could probably zoom through it in a few hours, but it took me quite a while to finish. There's a points system where the fancier your style, the more points and credits you earn. The credits are used in an in-game store to buy upgrades and unlock more weapons and skills. You can easily spend an extra few hours just grinding for credits. If you ace the game with the maximum score on every stage, you can get an extra war asset in Mass Effect 3. I started out with a pirated copy, then I bought it when it dropped to 99 cents, but I think it's 7 dollars normally. You can use the default tap-to-aim system, or for a bigger challenge you can switch to free aiming. The graphics are Perry impressive for a phone game, and you'll want about 250MB free for the extra download.
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New games working very badly
I tried some new games like "bad piggies" and MAMC and both runs very very slow, some times rebooting the phone...
Not sure what's up there. I've got Bad Piggies and it runs perfectly.
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Which one is better in real world gaming/calling/battery life/3g brwsing/gpu/cpu performance customs roms, more easy to overclock best quality phone?
Atrix HD's battery is crap. As far as gaming, some non-tegra games might run better on the Atrix because of the optimization with Adreno GPU's. Take for example MC4. It has hiccups when i play it on my O4X, but it is buttery silky smooth on my Nexus 4. There are no custom roms available for the O4X because of a locked bootloader...therefore no way to overclock yet. Unless you're a kernel dev that could help in that category.
If you're looking to buy a phone and you development is a big deal for you, then go with the Atrix HD. If you don't care about development and just want a solid phone that you can count on, then the O4X is a wiser choice. I honestly don't feel like i have the need for overclocking or custom roms. Just like my Nexus 4. There are tons of custom roms and mods available for it, but i prefer to run it bone stock but with a custom kernel.
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Atrix HD's battery is crap. As far as gaming, some non-tegra games might run better on the Atrix because of the optimization with Adreno GPU's. Take for example MC4. It has hiccups when i play it on my O4X, but it is buttery silky smooth on my Nexus 4. There are no custom roms available for the O4X because of a locked bootloader...therefore no way to overclock yet. Unless you're a kernel dev that could help in that category.
If you're looking to buy a phone and you development is a big deal for you, then go with the Atrix HD. If you don't care about development and just want a solid phone that you can count on, then the O4X is a wiser choice. I honestly don't feel like i have the need for overclocking or custom roms. Just like my Nexus 4. There are tons of custom roms and mods available for it, but i prefer to run it bone stock but with a custom kernel.
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How`s battery life on O4X? and cpu performace tegra 3 vs "krait" S4?and for updating android which one has more support for updates?, what you mean with solid? and what happens if in the future O4X doesnt support new Android systems? bcuz it has locked bootloader so I cant install new custom roms?
Battery life on the O4X is decent. I get a whole day's worth with medium use. As far as Tegra 3 vs Q Krait S4 im sure there are plenty of video comparisons on youtube you can check out. As far as updates are concerned, since Motorola has been bought by Google you can count on the Atrix HD to receive its updates faster than the O4X. And because the O4X has a locked bootloader, there will be no custom roms to fulfill your flashaholic needs. That is until we get some devs who are willing to work on the phone. But until that time comes, if you're a flashaholic...go for the Atrix HD.
When i said a solid phone, i meant that the phone doesn't have any bugs or anything...so you can always count on it on being available for you to use.
someone else with some more useful info?
My 4X only laggs on games like MC4/gtaVC when i set the cpu under 1200mhz
Edit: and games run silk smooth on 1500 with performance setting
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My 4X only laggs on games like MC4/gtaVC when i set the cpu under 1200mhz
Edit: and games run silk smooth on 1500 with performance setting
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what about gamming and battery life?
Battery life: i tested, and my phone will easily standby 500+ hours(in airplane mode, with 3g activated, no data: it failed after the half. About 250-280 hrs.) When constantly gaming Dead Space (only game i tested the actual time on) it lasted 2 hrs 07 minutes on full performance mode. Again with no lag whatsoever(dead space wont lag on a optimus 2x or ever weaker phones though)
I did test on a older version of Counter Strike aswell(i found it the apk on my pc. Cant remember where i got it from) - and it did start lagging when i took it on a match with me and 15 AI`s (that is, 15 guys controlled by the phone) there my battery lasted 3+ something hours (from 100%) before i got the 5% warning.
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Could probably point out that while the battery life while gaming is a bit short - when I've tested it, it's been on average a full hour better than the competing quad-core phones when running the same game side by side.. not completely sure why that happens when comparing it to other tegra 3 phones, though.. Assuming it has something to do with the scheduler policy, along with the slightly larger battery, or something of that sort. Aside from that.. a snapdragon setup uses more power on average, and idles on a massively higher power-draw. Always been a problem with those soc designs - that the antennas and modules need to be powered on completely when there's power on the phone at all. Btw - really did manage to have the 4x run 11 days while online on the gsm network once. Didn't use the phone much - but it really is easy to get the phone to last three-four days if you don't run anything heavy. And by heavy, I don't mean just editing photos, or having the screen lit up, or something like that. I mean something that constantly runs on full processor load.
Power-draw while just playing back music and movies as well is top class. You don't read that in the reviews for some inexplicable reason.... having to do with Engadget being in love with Apple, to the point where they hate on anything that threatens to dethrone their precious princess or something. But it's still the case. This tegra 3 chip with an ips screen/gorilla glass, slim chassis w/replaceable battery/memory card slot - is a very neat design.
What? The power draw when playing music is the only thing that let me down when using this phone! Even my old xperia x8 could do better!
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I meant compared to other modern smartphones
Could put it this way - if you want support for lossless formats, dynamic bitrate, ogg, that sort of thing - then this is the most effective system by far. Since you have power management that is transparent to the OS, and so on, so you can use existing media-players with support for the arm set and get good performance on low clocks/only the companion core, etc.
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I meant compared to other modern smartphones
Could put it this way - if you want support for lossless formats, dynamic bitrate, ogg, that sort of thing - then this is the most effective system by far. Since you have power management that is transparent to the OS, and so on, so you can use existing media-players with support for the arm set and get good performance on low clocks/only the companion core, etc.
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Tested; none of the (free) media players on google play could be run on the companion core. They seem to always run on the 3rd(core2) 1.5ghz core. Putting the freq at a stable 1.1ghz when screen off. And pumping to the full 1.5 when the screen is on...
Not very power saving...
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Hm.. The ones using the arm 7 vfp packs should avoid that. Bsplayer does, at least.. The internal player as well. Same codec pack. The Spotify app actually avoids running on the other cores as well. That instruction set class is not unique for tegra3 either, so it should be fairly commonly used by now.
and getting a higher battery in mAh would help? which models uses O4XHD?
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and getting a higher battery in mAh would help? which models uses O4XHD?
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mAh reflects the storage capacity. Getting the double amount of mAh will basically double your battery life
The only other than the stock battery known to me, must be the mugen powers battery extender-something like that. And that will make your phone look like a brick.
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Hi, Moto X will arrive here in Brazil at august 3 and i'm very excited for this phone which i'm sure will be my next, in this moment I have the Razr i <3
So, how is the gaming perfomance in this Phone? someone already tried Asphalt 8 and see if it runs at High graphics?
I just saw everyone talking about Active notifications, touchless controls and many other things but no one talks about gaming performance, so i'm curious
If someone could show in video how is the gaming performance it would be great
I'm sorry for my bad english =)
Well if you are looking for graphics performance it scored a 11286 score on 3dmark benchmark which is pretty dang good. It plays rr3 super smooth and no lag really at all on any thing else I've thrown at it
Contrary to most peoples belief the phone has some pretty beastly capabilities judging from the use I have tested.
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Couple the adreno 320 gpu with only 720p resolution and you get AWESOME gaming performance! NOVA 3 runs better on this thing than it did on my HTC One and my GS4 Active. NFS Most Wanted also runs flawlessly. I'll download Asphalt 8 and report back, but I am confident that it too will run without a hiccup.
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Well if you are looking for graphics performance it scored a 11286 score on 3dmark benchmark which is pretty dang good. It plays rr3 super smooth and no lag really at all on any thing else I've thrown at it
Contrary to most peoples belief the phone has some pretty beastly capabilities judging from the use I have tested.
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exiting to get mine *.*
_MetalHead_ said:
Couple the adreno 320 gpu with only 720p resolution and you get AWESOME gaming performance! NOVA 3 runs better on this thing than it did on my HTC One and my GS4 Active. NFS Most Wanted also runs flawlessly. I'll download Asphalt 8 and report back, but I am confident that it too will run without a hiccup.
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Great!! I just wanted to know if Asphalt 8 runs at the highest graphics because asphalt 8 is locked the medium and high graphics in some phones, on my razr i for example it runs only in low graphics, and is locked the medium and high
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exiting to get mine *.*
Great!! I just wanted to know if Asphalt 8 runs at the highest graphics because asphalt 8 is locked the medium and high graphics in some phones, on my razr i for example it runs only in low graphics, and is locked the medium and high
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Just downloaded it. It defaults to medium but you can set it to high. I just did 2 races on high and it ran smooth as butter with zero noticeable frame rate drops.
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Just downloaded it. It defaults to medium but you can set it to high. I just did 2 races on high and it ran smooth as butter with zero noticeable frame rate drops.
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Greatt! This phone is powerful! Cant wait to buy mine *.* I heard that Moto Maker will be available here in Brazil too *.*
Let's just say that my phone managed to render a 1,000,000+ poly CAD model and animate it at 60FPS without hiccups while my friend's laptop with a dedicated GPU choked.
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Let's just say that my phone managed to render a 1,000,000+ poly CAD model and animate it at 60FPS without hiccups while my friend's laptop with a dedicated GPU choked.
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What's your friends computer? A Dell laptop with intel graphics?
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What's your friends computer? A Dell laptop with intel graphics?
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An HP Envy.
Well just in specs, it has the same GPU as the HTC One and Sammy S4 yet only has to push around less than half the pixels. This phone is butter. Glad to see at least one company realizing that after a certain point GPU > CPU
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Let's just say that my phone managed to render a 1,000,000+ poly CAD model and animate it at 60FPS without hiccups while my friend's laptop with a dedicated GPU choked.
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Well just in specs, it has the same GPU as the HTC One and Sammy S4 yet only has to push around less than half the pixels. This phone is butter. Glad to see at least one company realizing that after a certain point GPU > CPU
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Great! Definitely it will be my next phone! i saw many videos on youtube of Moto X beating S4 and HTC One in performance, opening games is much faster than s4 and ONE
The CPU will limit it a little bit, but the superior GPU and low resolution will undoubtedly help, so the end result will require some real world input ... does it handle high-end games well ?
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The CPU will limit it a little bit, but the superior GPU and low resolution will undoubtedly help, so the end result will require some real world input ... does it handle high-end games well ?
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havent heard of a single game that lagged on this device yet. Heard its really smooth
I fail to see how the CPU will limit gaming. I fail to see how the CPU will limit anything. This phone tackles everything you throw at it like an absolute champ. Especially gaming.
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I fail to see how the CPU will limit gaming. I fail to see how the CPU will limit anything. This phone tackles everything you throw at it like an absolute champ. Especially gaming.
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That, and the X has the same GPU that One and S4(?) have. It can drive anything you throw at it just fine
asphalt 8 works perfectly , no lag
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The CPU will limit it a little bit, but the superior GPU and low resolution will undoubtedly help, so the end result will require some real world input ... does it handle high-end games well ?
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Take a look at the Anandtech review:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7235/moto-x-review/8
You say the CPU will limit it, but that is far from the case. As Anand shows, the CPU actually runs at it's max frequency more often and leads to higher performance than its quad-core competitors. Saying it handles high-end games well is putting it lightly.
Has anyone run any emulators? How do games on those run? Also can the moto x connect to a PS3 controller?
You say the CPU will limit it, but that is far from the case. As Anand shows, the CPU actually runs at it's max frequency more often and leads to higher performance than its quad-core competitors. Saying it handles high-end games well is putting it lightly.[/QUOTE]
I have the Drastic DS emulator and it works flawlessly with every game I have played so far, no complaints with this phone whatsoever, and it will be so much better with the camera update!
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Has anyone run any emulators? How do games on those run? Also can the moto x connect to a PS3 controller?
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I have the Drastic DS emulator and it works flawlessly with every game I have played so far, no complaints with this phone whatsoever, and it will be so much better with the camera update!
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Have you tried with either N64oid or Dolphin Emulator?
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Have you tried with either N64oid or Dolphin Emulator?
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Not yet, but if it will run DS games no problem, I don't see why it wouldn't run anything else perfectly
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I get around 60fps on the epic citadel benchmark. Also I play asphalt 8 on high quality with zero lag. So I would say it is pretty dang good
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