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first 25% of battery drops fast?

Ok so this is what i noticed has been happening with my phone...
I wake up in the morning and i unplug my phone from charger at 100% battery life...
after about 1-2 hours of no use (outside of occasional check of time) and no programs running i notice that 25% of life has diminished...
i have turned 3g off and done most of the kaiser tweak settings that help with battery life. for the rest of teh day i can use the phone and battery life runs normally but it seems the first 25 to 30% drops real fast without use
is everyone experiencing this? is it normal?
KP

The problem lies in your first sentence. "I wake up in the morning and unplug my battery." You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life. I only charge my phone in the day while I'm at work. That way I can unhook it when it's fully charge. I would go on ebay and type in OEM battery Kaiser. You can pick one up for 15-30 dollars new.

From what I understand. Leaving your battery in the charger when it is fully charged should not damage the battery as long as its not there for an excessive amount of time but i might be wrong. Either way i have no way of charging the phone during the day as im on the go most of the time so this would mean even if i get a new battery it wont matter because it wile eventually do the same as i have only used this phone for about 3 or 4 months now. any other possibilities or solutions?
or should i just take it as it is and just buy a new battery maybe a bigger seido?

I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.

netboy said:
I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.
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I do... Maybe I shouldn't?

I would hope it has Overcharge Protection!!!
With NiCad Batteries if you overcharged them you would kill the life of the batteries.
And while all batteries do this LiIon are least tolerant. If you overcharge a LiIon battery, that is without Overcharge protection, the LiIon Battery with BURST INTO FLAMES! Thus the problem with the Sony Batteries that caused all those Laptop battery recalls.

gqstatus0685 said:
You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life.
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Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.

I have the exact same "problem" with my Tytn II.
Is slows down evenly though. (So the first 5 % of battery vanishes in minutes basically while the last 5 % can last for an hour, when it's half full % will last somehwere in between these two extremes).
Personally I've just interpreted this as poor measuring done by the hardware and/or software. (Ie I don't think the battery performs better the less full it gets as the meter in Windows would have me think)

kilrah said:
Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.[/QUOTE
thanks ill try it out as soon as i get a chance...
kp
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may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol

duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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Hmm...I don't see how turning my phone off to charge would increase the charging rate dramatically. My phone in standby mode uses 1% every 2 hours.

depends highly on roms and especially on radios.
with a crappy rom, battery could drop as fast as 10% per hour.
with a decent rom, battery drops in standby mode at a rate about 2% per hour.

duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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If the phone is on but on standby that barely changes a thing. If it's on, with display illuminated then yes it might take you an extra 20 minutes to charge.. no big deal either.

*UPDATE*
ok so i drained my battery last night completely(turned on navizon, tt7, and skyfire) which took me about at most 2 hours.
Put it in for a charge
woke up at 9 and checked to see and it was 100%
I have push mail set to update every hour and i also run pocket sportscenter autoupdates which updates every 10 to 15 minutes
I used the phone for 5 minutes of calls
5 minutes of web surfing
a few text messages
and the occasional time check
at 6:30 pm battery life was at an amazing 90%
i was thrilled.
i continued to surf the web heavily from 730 to 8
a few more text messages
at 9 battery was at 67%
so i gotta believe that draining the battery helped recalibrate it...
i guess every 2 or 3 months i got to drain it out and give a full charge
thanks for the help guys
really appreciate it

Battery empty as fast as the speed of light

I know those Pocket PC devices drain their power very very quickly, but when I wifi for let's say about 5 minutes on some websites, my power is drained like 10 percent maybe. Is that extreme or 'normal' for the kaiser?
On the other hand I must admit that when I do nothing with my kaiser it can last very long without recharching.

Which rom and radio are you using? These devices are not exactly renowned for their great battery life (the cost of 3g and hsdpa), but there are ways to optimize them...

PDACORNERultimate. But I also used a HTC P4350 earlier, and it was all the same with the battery life , just wondering how I can measure what battery is better because I have 2 tytnII's until tonight, so I was wondering how I can measure what the best one is .

ALL batteries lose the ability to keep a charge as they get older. Any battery over a year old should be highly suspect.
Get the Tytn II that appears newer, then get a BRAND NEW battery for it

burtcom said:
Any battery over a year old should be highly suspect.
Get the Tytn II that appears newer, then get a BRAND NEW battery for it
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A new battery cured my fast discharge problem. At the time Amazon had the best price on batteries.

I've observed with my TyTnII (1yr old) that the battery drains faster from 100% to 70%. However, it retains charge from 70% to 0% for a longer time.

_MsG_ said:
when I wifi for let's say about 5 minutes on some websites, my power is drained like 10 percent maybe.
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A 10% change on the meter means nothing. To evaluate your battery life/drain, start with a fully charged battery and run it down completely until the PDA switches off.
As said above, the percentage reading is approximate and won't always go down in a linear way. It can go down from 100% to 30% in one hour, then take 3 more to go down to 0.

I think you are using the wrong charger. The charger u are using is nog strong enough. I had the same problem. You need the original charger.

Battery issue???

I think I might have a problem with my battery, but I'm not sure. I had it on the charger for 12 hours. So the battery should be full. When I took it off the charger, the status bar indicated that it had dropped down a notch. Is this normal? I was expecting the battery indicator to be fully shaded in white.

Ok. So I restarted the phone. Now the battery indicator is showing that it's completely full. Hmmm.

This happened to me too today. I'll try a reboot...
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Please remember that your battery needs some time to kick in and settle before you'll get full charges/power and correct indicators. If you just got your phone on Monday, wait about a week, and your phone should last longer and display more accurate approximation of battery life.
If it has been much past a week though, and your battery life is still significantly poor, then it may be your battery, device, or how you have the system configured.

I've commented on this a few times before, the same thing happens to me.
Its obviously a bug with the OS or something as I am now on my second HD7 and it does exactly the same.

let the phone battery drain out then let the phone charge completely with out using it. You will see a huge improvement on your battery life and the phone will charge alot quicker. That will also fix the battery indicator bug.

Ariel is right.
Remember for best optimization of any battery is when u use it 0% to 100% and then let is drain to 0% again.
i have the phone since a week with 5 charges i am not happy YET with the battery. Hope it opens up as ppl are saing.

I forced my battery dry a couple of times between charges using the HTC Flashlight app.
Run the app on maximum beam (you might have to wake it up every now and again) and the battery drains very quickly. I turned on wifi and set some music playing as well for good measure.
Then charge using the supplied charger rather than a PC USB connection. I'm not sure if that's meant to make a difference but mine charges up much faster that way.

Charging your phone through USB to PC always takes longer then using the charger

I'm getting about 15 hours of battery per charge. That's with moderate use (text messages, e-mail web browsing, a couple phone calls). This is MUCH better than when I first got my HD2. The battery would drain about 1% every 3 minutes. It was absurd. I'm pretty content with the battery life thus far. Windows Phone 7 is such a pleasure to use.

friend has an evo and he's trying to sell ot to get an hd7 lmao

Fuse8499 said:
I think I might have a problem with my battery, but I'm not sure. I had it on the charger for 12 hours. So the battery should be full. When I took it off the charger, the status bar indicated that it had dropped down a notch. Is this normal? I was expecting the battery indicator to be fully shaded in white.
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I got the HTC Surround and I noticed the same thing. After coming off a full charge (the whole night) I loose what looks like 5% of the charge within the first 5 minutes. Sometimes it's after as much as replying to a text.
Hopefully the battery has to 'settle in', as others have suggested.

Extended Battery Problem

Please help i have bought Extended Battery 2400mAh for my HD2 but the battery is discharging same as with normal battery, the strange thing is that when i restart phone after discharging to 0% it says 66% battery again. After that i discharge again to 0% restart and again 53 but these 53 discharge very quickly.
Is there something im doing wrong?

these numbers are from WINMO or Android?...which version/ROM of WINMO?/Android?

Its from WinMo
its Artemis v42/Radio 2.15

Same Problem - suggestion ...
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Its from WinMo
its Artemis v42/Radio 2.15
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Hello,
I also use a HD2 now with even a 3400 maH-battery. Also I had to notice that discharge is with this battery the same as with 1230 maH-battery.
First: thank you for your tip, I now will try also to restart my HD2 before re-charging.
Second: this phenomena means at my knowledge that battery-controler has problems with recognition of used battery: so I think that HD2 thinks having still a 1230 maH-battery, even if a 3400 maH-battery is used with it.
This could be then in my eyes a software-problem (would be solvable) - or, in worst case, a hardware-problem, meaning, that battery-controler of HD2 is unable to recognize batteries stronger than 1230 maH-capacity.
If you get more knowledge about that, I would be glad if you could tell me.
Thank you very much for proceeding,
inuli

There is one tip try it :
Discharge battery till phone turn itself off than take out battery for 1minute
Put the battery back
Start the phone
discharge again till switch off
again 1 minute out
repeat till phone turn itsellf even when booting Winmo
Take battery again for 1minute out
put back batt and charge with phone turned off
when charged take battery out for 1 minute again
put battery back and start up the phone

i had this problem with my extended battery. I was curious so i opened it up and found it was two batteries stuck together.
pics here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=815231&highlight=extended+battery

I bought the official 2300mah extended battery with kickstand after reading problems with 3rd party extended batteries and the poor quality of back cover. I bought the official htc from ecell on eBay for £25.95 delivered - no problems. Somtimes it's worth paying the little extra for quality and the difference in price is not that big instead of wasting £10-15 on these 3rd party batteries...

Well maybe i will buy the official sometime but this one was fr 13USD so its bad luck but i can live with that restarting charge

it better to buy a oficial htc batery like i have one .with havy using its last about 40 h . so dont bay fake bateries.

But maybe i know how to fix it some one here at XDA talk ed about wiping battery stats maybe it will help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=827355
Here it is

I went into the T-Mobile store and asked the guys about the extended battery the other day and here's what the guy told me. The HTC official extended battery is basically two batteries in one package, just as jjbdoggg mentioned. When the charge runs out, if you power back up you'll have access to the 2nd battery. The thing is, they don't really instruct you on how to properly charge the extended battery.
When you first buy any cell phone battery, you want to charge it 100% before using it, some even say to charge it two to four hours over 100%. With the extended battery, you have to do this twice, first on the initial charge, then again on the second battery. Otherwise you will run into discharge issues like you've mentioned where the battery will drain faster than normal. I believe this is because the batteries have charge memory built in, but I'm not positive.
Anyway, make sure that if you do end up buying one of these batteries, HTC official or not, (I bought a $15.00USD one and it works just the same, just no kick stand... but it does have a nicer battery cover.) you need to charge both batteries like this:
1.) Charge 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
2.) Drain battery completely to switch over to second battery
3.) Charge second battery 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
4.) Drain battery completely
5.) Repeat steps 1-4 once more and your battery should function as expected

wafflefaust said:
1.) Charge 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
2.) Drain battery completely to switch over to second battery
3.) Charge second battery 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
4.) Drain battery completely
5.) Repeat steps 1-4 once more and your battery should function as expected
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Thank you i will do it properly

get the original extended battery. also the 2300mah battery from the company "leicke" is working for me. i had a cheap 2400mah chinese battery before and had the same problem.
the thing is, that these chinese batterys are faking, they are normal ones because the driver of the hd2 origininally didnt support bigger batterys in the first roms.
the chinese batterys are out of date and also the capacity is mostly a giant fake!
my battery did cost 21 euro incl shipping and is working correctly.
dont try to fix the problem with hints and tricks or calibrations, it will NOT work with the cheap batterys! i already tested it

Well thats mazbe true but i have mz from china for 13USD i have calibrated it and now it stay 2 days then i pull out and put back the battery and i have another 1,5 day

What I suggested is not a trick, this is just how the manufacturers recommend you charge your batteries. If you don't want to follow instruction and do your own thing fine, but it sounds like jirka has solved his problem.

wafflefaust said:
I went into the T-Mobile store and asked the guys about the extended battery the other day and here's what the guy told me. The HTC official extended battery is basically two batteries in one package, just as jjbdoggg mentioned. When the charge runs out, if you power back up you'll have access to the 2nd battery. The thing is, they don't really instruct you on how to properly charge the extended battery.
When you first buy any cell phone battery, you want to charge it 100% before using it, some even say to charge it two to four hours over 100%. With the extended battery, you have to do this twice, first on the initial charge, then again on the second battery. Otherwise you will run into discharge issues like you've mentioned where the battery will drain faster than normal. I believe this is because the batteries have charge memory built in, but I'm not positive.
Anyway, make sure that if you do end up buying one of these batteries, HTC official or not, (I bought a $15.00USD one and it works just the same, just no kick stand... but it does have a nicer battery cover.) you need to charge both batteries like this:
1.) Charge 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
2.) Drain battery completely to switch over to second battery
3.) Charge second battery 100% + 2-4 hours more if possible
4.) Drain battery completely
5.) Repeat steps 1-4 once more and your battery should function as expected
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There is no second battery, it is a single battery with 2 cells, soldered together in parallel giving the higher capacity.
If your phone's charging firmware is not compatible then you need to update your ROM.
What you are doing with the above is charging the battery to 50% and then charging it to 100%

xaccers said:
There is no second battery, it is a single battery with 2 cells, soldered together in parallel giving the higher capacity.
If your phone's charging firmware is not compatible then you need to update your ROM.
What you are doing with the above is charging the battery to 50% and then charging it to 100%
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Do you own one of these or something? Because it doesn't sound like you have ever used one...

Yeah wafflefaust Thank you very much i have propperly charged it and its as i told up to 2 days on first part and 1-1.5day on 2nd part so Thank You

wafflefaust said:
Do you own one of these or something? Because it doesn't sound like you have ever used one...
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Yes I do own one.
I've also been making my own custom lithium batteries out of individual cells for over 5 years, I know battery technology.

I'm not sure if you've ever used the specific batteries we're talking about however. They do ACT like two separate batteries, but are packaged as one "extended" battery. When one runs out, you can usually pull the battery for about 5-10 seconds and when you put it back in, voila 100% battery left... (that is if you know how to properly charge a battery...)
Maybe you've figured out some sort of magic trick to make these batteries drain in parallel or serial? But the way it stands, the battery that I have does not act like you're suggesting.

Xiaomi programmed obsolescence on battery

H, since I updated from miui 10 to miui 11 and even now that I have miui 12 I have noticed that the battery doesn't last as long as before. I state that since I purchased the phone (July 2019) I have always charged the battery in the best way trying to never go below 20% and trying not to go beyond 80% so I don't think a battery can lose more than 30% of its real capacity in less than a year of life. Starting to investigate I found that the battery does not charge at its real capacity i.e. 3300 mAh but at around 2200/2300 mAh. To verify all this I have carried out several tests and the easiest way to verify it is to look at the battery characteristics through the AIDA64 app (screenshot below). From these tests it seems that the device limits the real battery capacity by not allowing it to be charged to its maximum capacity. A reply to what I wrote can be found by looking at some system files that are located in /sys/class/power_supply/battery. In particular, looking at the file called charge_full (screenshot below) you can see how the value of the file is much lower than the real battery capacity. I hope someone more competent than I can understand how to solve this hateful problem and I also invite you to check the value to try to better understand the cause of this problem.

I'm using miuimix 12.0.2 stable and the capacity is not 3300, either.
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And sorry i don't know how to post a picture, mine is 2943.

I know that batteries won't be forever and are always decreasing during the year but I think Xiaomi do a good job. I have some devices from 4 years ago and they reduced their batteries just a little. In the case of Mi 9 I have it since March 2019 and my battery still being the same. I charge it from 10-25% to 100% just some times I charge it until 80-90%, maybe every month I let it to 0% I wait for a while and charge it again to 100%.
Sent from my MI 9 using Tapatalk

From the photo you posted it doesn't seem that your battery is fully charged .. we have done other research and we have discovered that most likely Xiaomi has inserted in the kernel a sort of programmed obsolescence on the battery.

Can you disclose some of the research you done on the kernel it seems interesting. I have checked with Aida64 my battery before and it never charges to 3300 even if you leave the phone plugged in the value will keep increasing but once you plug it out it drops...still getting about 5 hrs sot so not bad...I wonder if you change that value in the full charger screen you posted what will happen?

"From these tests it seems that the device limits the real battery capacity by not allowing it to be charged to its maximum capacity. "
Actually it's better for battery life longterm to keep the device in the middle - never 0, never 100
I've certainly lost no battery life in the year + I've had the Mi 9

You are doing a good job of using the phone in the 20 to 80% range. But do you charge it at the lowest possible temperature? Temperature is a battery's worst enemy. Wireless charging is a joke. It's a glued heater in the battery.
I for instance, almost all the times charge it in front a mini fan. With this I can charge it 5ºC below normal temp charge.
And like @cezikos said, use quickcharge only on emergencies. Use at max a 1.5Amps charger. Quick charge is a marketing thing. The chemistry of the batteries are almost the same in this 10 years.
Mi mi9 have one year and the battery is 100%.

The important thing that you should precise is a type of charger that you are using. Do you use Quick Charge? If Yes, then battery capacity will be dramatically degrated. I use 5V 0.5-1.5A charger, it depends how fast I need to charge the Phone.
The next thing is a battery temperature, not Only while charging the Phone but also when you are using it. I`m using CPU Monitor and it's overlay to see the battery temp, you can also configure alerts when battery is starting to overheat.
Heavy Gaming decreases the life of the battery, there are a lot of variables that you have to cobsider, not only "programmed obsolescence"

I had the same problem. Hopefully the battery could make 3 hours of screen, the strange thing was that suddenly it began to last very little, and I was with that problem for a couple of weeks, so I decided to calibrate the battery hoping to have some results and now the battery lasted again approximately 7 hours of screen. Try to make the battery run out from 100% to 0%. The system will not let you start because it calculates that it has no battery, so what I did was leave it in recovery mode and with the screen always active, until it turns off completely, then with a 5V 1A charger. With the phone turned off, charge it until it reaches 100%. I did it three times and the battery was back to the way it was before. You could try to do the same and I hope you can solve that problem.
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I tested, I put the phone to play videos until it turned off. In 1% I cleared battery stats.
Then plugged the charger and entered the TWRP and unplugged. Put the backlight to maximum, and the phone stayed on more than an hour!
Then I plugged the charger 1.5A and let it charge to max.
It worked, now the phone has a steady discharge, not discharge 100% to 80 in an hour.
I will do this procedure from time to time. not the best for the battery, but is needed in mi9...
It's an absurd that this problem exists in 2020, my galaxy S2 don't have such harsh problems with something so simple and basic like battery management!

Battery on my Mi9 (mildly used in one year) lost 500 mAh.

Confirmed, with this trick, in doing it ONE time, I have the phone running well again, more than 8h screen on.
0.5 discharge in sleep.
.eu 20.3.19

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I tested, I put the phone to play videos until it turned off. In 1% I cleared battery stats.
Then plugged the charger and entered the TWRP and unplugged. Put the backlight to maximum, and the phone stayed on more than an hour!
Then I plugged the charger 1.5A and let it charge to max.
It worked, now the phone has a steady discharge, not discharge 100% to 80 in an hour.
I will do this procedure from time to time. not the best for the battery, but is needed in mi9...
It's an absurd that this problem exists in 2020, my galaxy S2 don't have such harsh problems with something so simple and basic like battery management!
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Thanks! I just don't know how to clean the battery status...

You will need root.
Then are several apps that can do it. Like l speed or adiutor.

And now again confirming, in one month the phone is completely lost regarding battery again, just 3h SOT from 80 to 20. There's some pretty **** up code regarding battery in xiaomi android.

I have no problems at all using it since release.
newest xiaomi eu.

I also have problems with battery drain...

Hello guys, just want to share with you a little trick that just helped me get better SoT. First of all, I just want to mention that I'm on the newest xiaomi.eu rom (20.8.13) and that AccuBattery is showing that my battery is at 2500mAh estimated capacity. (That might be different in reality, because it's only after one charging, so don't believe it that much). Lately I noticed a significant drain while the phone was idle (screen turned off). It was draining like 1-2% every hour and I could barely get over 5h SoT. So I investigated a little bit, and found a solution on reddit. The thing was that I had many apps on autostart. If you want to check them and turn it off then open Settings > type 'autostart' in the search bar > open it > 3 dots > show system apps > turn off every unnecessary app that you think don't need that option. I turned off every app, except: Gmail, GPay, Google Photos, Clock, Calendar, Bank app, Weather app and the app called 'safety system addon' - it might be called different because I'm not on english language on my phone. I left them on just in case to have notifications/synchronization, though i don't know if it's necessary. After that there was almost 0% idle drain over the day. Now I'm on 5h4m SoT and still have 25% of battery left. The result might be even better, cause I did this trick just today while my phone was on 90-85%.
Give it guys a try, hope it will improve your daily experience with Mi 9.
P.S. Let me know guys If I could turn off the before mentioned apps and still get notifications and sync from them.

Mine reports 2800mah, debloated with Szaki tool all autostart apps disabled also did factory reset after miui12 update.
Really sad how bad miui12 has turned for me. Im having way worse battery life compared to miui11 the idle is mostly the same its just the battery doesn't last as it used to last with miui11.

onolox said:
I tested, I put the phone to play videos until it turned off. In 1% I cleared battery stats.
Then plugged the charger and entered the TWRP and unplugged. Put the backlight to maximum, and the phone stayed on more than an hour!
Then I plugged the charger 1.5A and let it charge to max.
It worked, now the phone has a steady discharge, not discharge 100% to 80 in an hour.
I will do this procedure from time to time. not the best for the battery, but is needed in mi9...
It's an absurd that this problem exists in 2020, my galaxy S2 don't have such harsh problems with something so simple and basic like battery management!
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I can confirm this. AIDA64 said my battery was at 2550mah capacity when fully charged. I followed this procedure and now after being fully charged, it says 3125 mah, which is much better.
I'm curious about the screen on time now. Me happy. Thanks!