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Discussion: How bad of a hit has development taken due to HTC's lies?

Hey guys, just wondering what your opinion is on how this locked bootloader issue has affected the potential development of this phone. How bad do you think it really is? Countless people have returned their phones. I'm sure many potential devs have strayed from this phone or HTC as a whole due to this issue. This is a damn good phone as stock, who knows how much better it could be if it were unlocked from the start. What do you guys think the development will be like once it does get unlocked?

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Hey guys, just wondering what your opinion is on how this locked bootloader issue has affected the potential development of this phone. How bad do you think it really is? Countless people have returned their phones. I'm sure many potential devs have strayed from this phone or HTC as a whole due to this issue. This is a damn good phone as stock, who knows how much better it could be if it were unlocked from the start. What do you guys think the development will be like once it does get unlocked?
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I've gotta think it'll pick up. The Inspire was the only "4G" HTC phone for a long time so I can't imagine HTC coming out with anything new on ATT for a little while at least so I gotta think if things do get rolling people will come.

rquinn19 said:
I've gotta think it'll pick up. The Inspire was the only "4G" HTC phone for a long time so I can't imagine HTC coming out with anything new on ATT for a little while at least so I gotta think if things do get rolling people will come.
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I sure hope so, but it is depressing to think how many people we have already lost and how much potential devlopment is lost. I'm not sure how big of a factor LTE is to people though, considering it isn't widely available. Not sure when the next AT&T HTC phone will be coming out, but locked bootloader or not, this thing is a beast and is getting ICS. I really don't see a better AT&T phone out right now. Samsung Touchwiz is boring, and so is the Samsung development. There's just so much more devs can do with sense.

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I sure hope so, but it is depressing to think how many people we have already lost and how much potential devlopment is lost. I'm not sure how big of a factor LTE is to people though, considering it isn't widely available. Not sure when the next AT&T HTC phone will be coming out, but locked bootloader or not, this thing is a beast and is getting ICS. I really don't see a better AT&T phone out right now. Samsung Touchwiz is boring, and so is the Samsung development. There's just so much more devs can do with sense.
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I'm kicking myself because I keep telling myself I'm just going to pay full retail and get international devices. I may still look for an Evo 3D or something, but although I'm in a non LTE area I can't wait for it to arrive.

I'll stick with this device and learn to develope for it should the day ever arrive. I'm sure if we ever get root, more devs will migrate. It is a truly capable device and a huge step from my tp2.

it will pick up some if the BL ever gets unlocked.

It really is sad that htc/att are dragging their feet on this. They are losing customers every day, I'm returning mine tomorrow. I really like the vivid but am a flashaholic. I have an amaze also and it doesn't really have much dev attention. I don't really understand why, it's also a great device. I honestly would probably be keeping my vivid if I didn't have the amaze, I'm a fan of the sense ui. I'll be giving the nitro a test for the next 30 days, it should be easy to root with super one click but as with most att devices it will probably take 3 weeks or so just to get a forum for it since it's not a Samsung device.
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donharden2002 said:
It really is sad that htc/att are dragging their feet on this. They are losing customers every day, I'm returning mine tomorrow. I really like the vivid but am a flashaholic. I have an amaze also and it doesn't really have much dev attention. I don't really understand why, it's also a great device. I honestly would probably be keeping my vivid if I didn't have the amaze, I'm a fan of the sense ui. I'll be giving the nitro a test for the next 30 days, it should be easy to root with super one click but as with most att devices it will probably take 3 weeks or so just to get a forum for it since it's not a Samsung device.
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Could you return the Vivid, get another phone, and then return that phone and get a Vivid again? I'm just curious on how AT&T's return/exchange works. Is there a limit of some sort?

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slapshot30 said:
Could you return the Vivid, get another phone, and then return that phone and get a Vivid again? I'm just curious on how AT&T's return/exchange works. Is there a limit of some sort?
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I'm considering this... But it won't be until tomorrow fir me, no time to spend in the AT&T store today.
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I'm considering this... But it won't be until tomorrow fir me, no time to spend in the AT&T store today.
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Yea, that's what I would probably do if I didn't buy my phone off-contract. Who knows when the next HTC phone on AT&T will come out. The last high end one was the Inspire and that was months and months ago. I think it'll be tough for these people that have always been with HTC to just switch and stay with another brand for a long period of time. Samsung UI is so boring it's not even funny.

Hmm right now I have a Samsung Captivate and I'm either going to the HTC Vivid or SGS2 and right now it seems like the Vivid is not the best option.
I flash ROMs weekly on my Captivate. I guess I was still ignorant and didn't know about HTC's decision to not keep the bootloader so open, like they promised.
Looks like the Samsung SGS2 is the better route...

I picked up a skyrocket because of the locked bootloader but as soon as its unlocked ill trade it for a vivid no doubt. HTC is good with making phones
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Anyone getting the One

Anyone going to switch from the vivid to the One? idk how i feel about htc after this phone, i mean its a great phone and all but htc bent us over and showed us the 50 states. thank god for the devs. But the phone looks awesome and its sleek as hell too.

I will be ordering one as soon as its available. 1080p display, 2gb ram, infrared behind the power button (I've missed that sooo much in my smart phones since my Treo).. I'm excited lol
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Wait about 2 months and HTC will probably come out with another revolutionary phone
What happened to the Droid DNA? The DNA has only been out for 3 months and HTC is already forgetting it.

I believe the answer is somewhere in the neighborhood of "When donkeys and pigs gain aerodynamic and sustained aerial motion" or the successful cloning of a flying Pigasus, whichever happens first... I'm tired of the 1 software upgrade and we're through with you mentality, the fact that you had to do a physical hardware short circuit to S-off and the point that the HTC One contains no easily changed battery, no place to put a microSD card...no, no..(clickty clacky keyboard noises) Computer says NO-o-o-o-o!

The DNA was released for Verizon only. All other major us carriers are getting the one, except verizon. HTC has already announced that 'the one' will be the only one series device in 2013. I understand everyone's setbacks. But I'm not passing up on a hardware beauty like this one. Not to mention it looks like every major dev team is planning on getting at least one. Check out the thread in the one general section to see who all is on board. Also everyone's favorite dev will have one too lol @jon
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I agree the specs and looks of the phone makes me drool.they are not releasing the one for Verizon cause of the dna
So I guess they haven't completely forgotten about their customers haha. But I do want the phone real bad. Also I'm curious to see since its the only flag ship they are releasing how often they keep it updated .
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Despite the incredibly large amount of times HTC pisses me off, I still plan on getting the HTC One as soon as I can afford it. I like the Vivid but The One looks like a phone I am actually willing to buy at the non-contract price

homeslice976 said:
I will be ordering one as soon as its available. 1080p display, 2gb ram, infrared behind the power button (I've missed that sooo much in my smart phones since my Treo).. I'm excited lol
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Wait.. this doesn't mean you will stop developing for the vivid, right?

The one actually is appealing though. And HTC is actually doing a good job marketing, unlike the vivid lol
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Nope...I'm going back to Samsung...gonna get me the sgs4 as soon as its released...I mean...its gonna blow everything out of the water and every dev team will have one guaranteed...not to mention how easy it is to root and flash rims on Samsung devices...no locked bootloader to deal with...no s off to deal with
I gave HTC a shot and I'm done with them :/ I hate having to unlock the bootloader...and s off - that's just stupid...they honestly make it so hard to customize your phone...heck it be easier to jailbreak an iPhone than get an HTC phone setup for Rom flashing, then you got the crappy source...and extra security measures...(in-call Mic issues for att users) - who's to say they won't do the same on the one....if the s off process is anything like the vivids...well good luck with that as I'm pretty sure the one doesn't have a removable battery /end rant
I guess you could call me a Samsung fan boy
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I won't pay retail for it but when my upgrade comes I'll get it.

My gf has one, and she loves it. I couldn't get it, though, because it doesn't have SD card expansion. I love my SD card way too much, so I got the Vivid instead. Couldn't be happier.

My one X is s-off a new method recently came out to do it, and it's nothing like the Vivid was cause I owned that to, never bothered to try s-off due to the stupid method.
HTC is doing a stupid move by removing microSD slots from their newer phones. We aren't babies, I'm tired of HTC treating us only a few years older then Apple does their users.
With all that being said, I'm not wasting hundreds and hundreds on a device that can't even include the basics like access to the battery and a MicroSD slot. This is day one **** HTC. I WON'T be getting a one, actually selling my HTC one X right now to switch brands. Sad sad thing.
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And here I am stuck on a contract for another year and 10 months...

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I believe the answer is somewhere in the neighborhood of "When donkeys and pigs gain aerodynamic and sustained aerial motion" or the successful cloning of a flying Pigasus, whichever happens first... I'm tired of the 1 software upgrade and we're through with you mentality, the fact that you had to do a physical hardware short circuit to S-off and the point that the HTC One contains no easily changed battery, no place to put a microSD card...no, no..(clickty clacky keyboard noises) Computer says NO-o-o-o-o!
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Is that a Little Britain reference?
And no, I won't be getting the One. Nothing could ever convince me to buy another HTC product. I'll probably end up with a Galaxy S4.
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just saw this:
http://www.appy-geek.com/Web/ArticleMobile.aspx?regionid=3&articleid=7444208
are sim and bootloader unlocked the only differences? still no removable battery or sd :S
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Yea im pretty sure that the only difference, but the only issue i see is the non remove able batter, which for me isnt even an issue, i have insurance on all my phones ( just cause i know something goes wrong and i always get them switched out ..always on my 3rd vivid right now) So if the battery starts ****ing up new phone for me XD yeaaaa hahah

I'll get it the day it comes out:laugh:

90% Yes. Still debating getting the SGS4 or the possible Motorola NXT.

Tapatalk sucks recently...looks like HTC is trying to stop source builds...check out h8s post in the cm10 thread
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htc and updates

really considering selling my note 2 for this phone...but i've had an HTC phone before, and i think they've developed a reputation for not releasing updates.
is there legitimacy to this repuation...or has HTC gotten better over the years?

finalhit said:
really considering selling my note 2 for this phone...but i've had an HTC phone before, and i think they've developed a reputation for not releasing updates.
is there legitimacy to this repuation...or has HTC gotten better over the years?
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Htc updates about as good as anyone else.
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finalhit said:
really considering selling my note 2 for this phone...but i've had an HTC phone before, and i think they've developed a reputation for not releasing updates.
is there legitimacy to this repuation...or has HTC gotten better over the years?
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According to this article (and others like it I could not find right away) the reputation you speak of for HTC is not true. In terms up updating thier phones, HTC is the best of the major OEMs. Get a ONE!

... not to mention this is the first time (or first time in a while) we've seen them drop the same phone on many carriers, and tout a phone as their flagship for the year.
I feel like they'll be behind making this thing the best they can make it this year.

The best of all major OEM's?! Are you joking? Call me a Sammy fanboy all you want but there upgrading 2 year old phones still, and many, many others! I do NOT see HTC doing this. Samsung has way more phones out then HTC and still manages to do this. I honestly might be getting the One but by no means is HTC the best at updating.
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H4rryTipp3r said:
The best of all major OEM's?! Are you joking? Call me a Sammy fanboy all you want but there upgrading 2 year old phones still, and many, many others! I do NOT see HTC doing this. Samsung has way more phones out then HTC and still manages to do this. I honestly might be getting the One but by no means is HTC the best at updating.
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The best? No, but if you look at the facts, HTC is updating faster than Samsung based on statistics. So take that how you want to.

swaze said:
The best? No, but if you look at the facts, HTC is updating faster than Samsung based on statistics. So take that how you want to.
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Not to mention that Samsung only really updates their flagships and not the lower end phones. I just came over to One from an S3.
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Also keep in mind Samsung's success has them being the top android manufacturer. They have a lot more money to hire developers than HTC. This allows them to keep up with their devices like they do. But Samsung used to be terrible before their success. HTC might become very competitive on updates as well. They're not bad now, but sprint did drag their feet with the Evo 3D.
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gk1984 said:
Also keep in mind Samsung's success has them being the top android manufacturer. They have a lot more money to hire developers than HTC. This allows them to keep up with their devices like they do. But Samsung used to be terrible before their success. HTC might become very competitive on updates as well. They're not bad now, but sprint did drag their feet with the Evo 3D.
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Indeed, with the One I think we're going to see big things for HTC over the next year. A unified phone being the biggest contributor to their increase sales. They did what the GS3 did originally but stepped up their game with a modern phone with modern specs. Competition is good for the two, it will make everyone else reach harder to stay on par and they'll compete for who has the better phone. I think when 5.0 is dropped most likely next month, both manufactures will be rushing to get it out, we can only hope that the carriers don't drop the ball.

I think HTC has already stated that a 4.2.2 build is in the works and we'll get it soon. (Hopefully)
http://www.christianpost.com/news/htc-one-android-4-2-jellybean-update-to-arrive-in-2-months-92509/

raptoro07 said:
I think HTC has already stated that a 4.2.2 build is in the works and we'll get it soon. (Hopefully)
http://www.christianpost.com/news/htc-one-android-4-2-jellybean-update-to-arrive-in-2-months-92509/
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GS4 already comes with it
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H4rryTipp3r said:
GS4 already comes with it
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Then what are you doing here?

gk1984 said:
Then what are you doing here?
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As I stated above, I might be getting the One, so I check in here to look through and see what's going on with the device and everyone's use, before going ahead and buying.
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I agree with HarryTipper. Sammy seems to be better at upgrading than HTC. They didn't used to be but they have stepped up their game in past two years. HTC took forever to update the 3d and the evo LTE as well.
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H4rryTipp3r said:
As I stated above, I might be getting the One, so I check in here to look through and see what's going on with the device and everyone's use, before going ahead and buying.
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I know, was just poking some fun. I've had a Samsung Moment, LG Optimus One, then an HTC Evo 3D all on Sprint. I also follow smartphones/tablets and new technology in general daily (actually, part of my job sort of). What I've seen is Samsung sucked at updates until that had success with the Galaxy series, even the early Galaxy's were slow to get updates. The LG phones were lucky to get anything at all. HTC updated pretty well recently, except in the US. International HTC devices got updates pretty quickly and regularly, but Sprint was slow to do so. Sprint seems to have been slow about this in general just like every other carrier here in the US. Although, the Evo 3D was extremely late (almost a year later) to the ICS party. This update was promised to us pretty early and it started to feel like we'd never get it by the time it released. Then Sprint held it for testing I assume for a few more months. The Evo 3D users were suspecting Sprint was holding onto the ICS update to encourage people to buy their Boost Mobile variant of the phone as it released with ICS, was the same exact phone with a different name, and was supposed to attract people to Boost. Not sure if this is the real reason, it was a month or two after that phone launched the rest of us got ICS.
In either case, HTC wasn't bad about it, they weren't great but they weren't bad. Sprint, on the other hand, seems to have been slow and I know there are a number of reasons for this. They need to test everything before they launch it. Does it work on their network properly and with their bloatware? They have to prioritize their devices to test and they have to be thorough to ensure they aren't liable for anything going wrong. It's a crappy system, but thats how it is.

H4rryTipp3r said:
GS4 already comes with it
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And it also comes with a creaky, terrible housing. Software versus hardware... Take your pick. One can be changed, the other can't. (Of course you can always put a solid case on it. My wife is probably going to get the GS4, so I won't speak too terribly about it, and I will by no means call it a bad phone... just poor build quality, especially compared to the One.)
If you haven't seen The Verge's review on it, check out the body response they gave.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/24/4257254/samsung-galaxy-s4-review
I don't like holding this phone, and I can't overstate how much that informs the experience of using it. It makes an awful first impression, slippery and slimy and simply unpleasant in your hand. My white review unit is completely smooth and glossy, with a subtle checkered pattern that looks textured but is neither grippy nor textured anywhere on its body. Even the silver band around the sides, which is obviously supposed to look like metal, is plastic. Everyone I showed the GS4 to frowned and wrinkled their nose as if it smelled bad, before rubbing their fingers on the back of the phone and then handing it back to me — that's the opposite of the standard reaction to HTC’s One, which everyone wants to ogle and hold. That's going to be a huge problem for Samsung, because the GS4 and One are likely to be next to each other on store shelves, and at least on first impression there's absolutely no contest between the two.
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H4rryTipp3r said:
The best of all major OEM's?! Are you joking? Call me a Sammy fanboy all you want but there upgrading 2 year old phones still, and many, many others! I do NOT see HTC doing this. Samsung has way more phones out then HTC and still manages to do this. I honestly might be getting the One but by no means is HTC the best at updating.
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musclehead84 said:
I agree with HarryTipper. Sammy seems to be better at upgrading than HTC. They didn't used to be but they have stepped up their game in past two years. HTC took forever to update the 3d and the evo LTE as well.
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Hmmm Evo LTE came out June, was updated December. 6 months, only 2 months after Sprint released the update for the SG3. Sounds like its not HTC or Samsung but the carrier who is the culprit.
Now lets see. All the GS3's outside the US got upgraded to 4.1.2 in december. Has the GS3 been updated in the US yet? Nope, has it recieved the new samsung premium suite package that everyone else with the GS3 recieved? Nope. Hmmmmm....
If you actually looked at the link posted above, you can clearly see that there isn't much of a difference between Samsung and HTC as far as timely updates.

Harfainx said:
And it also comes with a creaky, terrible housing. Software versus hardware... Take your pick. One can be changed, the other can't. (Of course you can always put a solid case on it. My wife is probably going to get the GS4, so I won't speak too terribly about it, and I will by no means call it a bad phone... just poor build quality, especially compared to the One.)
If you haven't seen The Verge's review on it, check out the body response they gave.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/24/4257254/samsung-galaxy-s4-review
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I honestly don't care about what it's made of as long as it looks good, and performs good I'm fine. I am more of a specs and software kind of person. Although the one does have me pretty intrigued because I've never had a phone built as so, and I listen to music and watch a lot of videos so I know those speakers will come in handy. I'm going to give it a test drive, and if I don't like it, I'll just switch to the S4. The only reason I'm hesitant is because I'm not a big fan of sense... nor am I a big fan of all the stuff you have to do to root the thing. Compared to Samsung phones, it's way more difficult.
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H4rryTipp3r said:
I'm going to give it a test drive, and if I don't like it, I'll just switch to the S4.
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As much as I love the One, I was actually thinking the same. If the GS4 comes out and it's amazing, I'll simply switch over. The build quality is no competition, but like I said, you can always get a solid case. I would like a larger screen. If I could get my hands on a phone with 5.5" screen and current hardware, I would probably jump on it (LG Optimus G Pro, if it ever comes to Sprint?).

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As much as I love the One, I was actually thinking the same. If the GS4 comes out and it's amazing, I'll simply switch over. The build quality is no competition, but like I said, you can always get a solid case. I would like a larger screen. If I could get my hands on a phone with 5.5" screen and current hardware, I would probably jump on it (LG Optimus G Pro, if it ever comes to Sprint?).
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If you want that, why not get the note 2? It's going to get a lot of the S4 features, and I wouldn't go with LG. The Optimus G has been out less then a year, and had 1 update and is already EOL.
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HTC First Discontinued

According to BGR, the First is about to be discontinued: http://bgr.com/2013/05/13/htc-first-discontinued-att-facebook-phone/
I love the First, it's a great size that can be used one-handed, it has stock Android, and the battery life is amazing. But I've held off buying one because I want to make sure it gets CyanogenMod support first. If it does get official CM support, I'll go out of my way to get one, if I still can.
Does anybody know how long it will take HTC to release the source for the First, so CM support might start?
The only competitor to the First on AT&T is probably the One Mini, but rumors are that the Mini will have a significantly smaller battery than the First (1700 instead of 2000mah).

Can't say I didn't see it coming. With the lack of support in this section I doubt it would get official CM support.

I might pick up one of these in the bargain bin if I find a good deal somewhere. I'm looking to open a second line for my daughter,without a contract and this one will fit the bill.
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yeah might pick one up too. 150$ on eBay isn't bad of a deal.

That's disappointing. Now I question whether it would be a good idea to give my mom this phone.
On the other hand, there is a update with this statement from AT&T in the article:
As mentioned previously, we do pricing promotions all the time and have made no decisions on future plans.
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Though, I don't have huge hopes.

$150 where? Cheapest I could find was 300 new. Well I have mine and cm is mostly booting. Hope to have it sorted out in the next day or so
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This is one of the best phones I have seen for years. I dont understand why so few people bought it, it even has stock android... It should be easier to develop a working cm for this one than for all these galaxies out there. I would even get over the small storage for all the advantages.

jmztaylor said:
$150 where? Cheapest I could find was 300 new. Well I have mine and cm is mostly booting. Hope to have it sorted out in the next day or so
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I've been trying to figure out how to compile CM as well, do you have any repositories I could look at yet, or is it all still just on your local checkout? I'm not having as much luck, but I've never built CM for anything beyond my Galaxy Nexus before, so I'm not familiar with porting it to new devices.

nuclear_eclipse said:
I've been trying to figure out how to compile CM as well, do you have any repositories I could look at yet, or is it all still just on your local checkout? I'm not having as much luck, but I've never built CM for anything beyond my Galaxy Nexus before, so I'm not familiar with porting it to new devices.
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Yeah it's on my github. Same username as here. I would suggest against flashing it though. I barely trust it right now
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flatline403 said:
According to BGR, the First is about to be discontinued: http://bgr.com/2013/05/13/htc-first-discontinued-att-facebook-phone/
I love the First, it's a great size that can be used one-handed, it has stock Android, and the battery life is amazing. But I've held off buying one because I want to make sure it gets CyanogenMod support first. If it does get official CM support, I'll go out of my way to get one, if I still can.
Does anybody know how long it will take HTC to release the source for the First, so CM support might start?
The only competitor to the First on AT&T is probably the One Mini, but rumors are that the Mini will have a significantly smaller battery than the First (1700 instead of 2000mah).
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This is sad to hear. I just got one for my grandmother too. While 4.1 is nice, the polish of 4.2 vastly improves the experience with things like a timer, stop watch, and swype keyboard. Sadly, I don'y see 4.2 coming official to this device.

The phone has descent specs, at least it could be a good option for some CM10.1 love

I might pick this up soon since it's so cheap now. Will this get 4.2 at least? Hope so. Seems like a good purchase. What color did you guys get it in?

very sad to hear indeed. its a terrific phone. the size is great, love the way the back feels, and the battery life is terrific imo. it feels very sturdy too. as soon as my store got a bunch of dummy units in i knew i was going to like it. im carrying around the company's seed unit and im very impressed (black model... gosh i love the look of that red and baby blue though). would love cm10.1 on this machine.

Here's another vote of confidence for this outcast phone. Really love the design. Who cares what software it's running, we'll flash our own anyway. I've been waiting so long for an upgrade from my HTC Aria, which I got specifically because it was small.
HTC has got to do something with all its unused stock, if they're smart they'll simply remove FB Home and push it back out, if they're dumb we should see these babies go for nothing like the HP TouchPad. Either way this phone has a lot of potential to sell like hotcakes.

Broke my HTC One X screen and got an HTC First for $50 brand new. Agree with all the other positive comments about this phone so far. Rooted. unlocked bootloader, freeze Facebook Home and loving every bit of it so far. My only gripe is the weak camera, but to find solid specs on a smaller form factor is so hard these days.

May I ask where you got it from?
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Won it at an auction at work.
So when do you all think First cases will start hitting the discount bin.

Well I haven't forgotten about it.
https://twitter.com/Jmz_Software/status/339153391869652992
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jmz said:
Well I haven't forgotten about it.
https://twitter.com/Jmz_Software/status/339153391869652992
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Whoa! How's it running? Is that Sense 5?

chrisliphart said:
Whoa! How's it running? Is that Sense 5?
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Nah it's just jb sense 4+. It has some sizing issues I need to finish up. I also need to fix audio but that should be easy enough
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This Isn't Even Funny

Just when you thought not having 4.2.2 was lemon juice on the slow update scars... You get this great present from HTC
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=44410651
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XaoSilentrzk said:
Just when you thought not having 4.2.2 was lemon juice on the slow update scars... You get this great present from HTC
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=44410651
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Don't worry, in the US the One X people will have to wait 6 months for the update you linked. Surely by then the US carriers will have released the 4.2.2 update for the HTC One. Surely!

Well, it's supposed to be in Sprint's hands right now. Problem is, they say it's up to HTC. You know how the story goes. It'll get here when it gets here. Sprint will probably update the EVOLTE before the One.

That's Taiwan. We can only use that as a reference point, nothing else.
But I think this is just getting friggin ridiculous. Maybe there's a serious bug in the update like battery drain and only the US carriers are caring enough to resolve it with HTC?

Lets be honest here... There is a reason Samsung is WINNING! How far can build quality and sense get you when post support sucks ass. Flagships are being killed off by HTC after a year while Samsung updates OG EVO status devices. The GS2 shares the same OS as us for gods sake... This is ridiculous.
I've always been one to steer people away from the plastic GS devices, but you can't deny they are future proof in getting them. I'll have to definitely wait on next year's flags instead of dumping money day 1 like I've done the last 2 years.
And for the fanboys that say... Leave the one... No I will not. I'm NOT saying it's not the best device, but you can't deny post support sucks on our end.
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Silentrx relax man its not a big update. 4.1 is smooth on this phone. The One is still tits, no problems with this phone, just getting used to sense 5 initially
Again tho for updates you need to be on a GSM carrier and have an unlocked Nex
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Everyone always forgets that Samsung is pretty bad with updates also.
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stevenk007 said:
Everyone always forgets that Samsung is pretty bad with updates also.
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They've made GREAT progress in fixing this issue though while HTC continues to fall behind in the U.S.

XaoSilentrzk said:
Lets be honest here... There is a reason Samsung is WINNING! How far can build quality and sense get you when post support sucks ass. Flagships are being killed off by HTC after a year while Samsung updates OG EVO status devices. The GS2 shares the same OS as us for gods sake... This is ridiculous.
I've always been one to steer people away from the plastic GS devices, but you can't deny they are future proof in getting them. I'll have to definitely wait on next year's flags instead of dumping money day 1 like I've done the last 2 years.
And for the fanboys that say... Leave the one... No I will not. I'm NOT saying it's not the best device, but you can't deny post support sucks on our end.
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Well, if we're being honest. There is a reason Samsung is winning, and it's called marketing. It most certainly is NOT because HTC phones are slow getting such minor updates like 4.2. Most people don't know anything about it, and it's not even close. The only ones who really care that much are the people on XDA who root and run custom roms, and we are the minority by a HUGE margin.
Honestly, it's even smaller than that, because some of us who root and run custom roms could still care less about this update. It brings next to nothing for a lot of us. Kernel and the ability to run 4.2 roms will be fun...but not that many people care all that much. We all know how annoying it is, it does suck..but it's definitely not the reason why Samsung is winning lol

FrozenRiff said:
Silentrx relax man its not a big update. 4.1 is smooth on this phone. The One is still tits, no problems with this phone, just getting used to sense 5 initially
Again tho for updates you need to be on a GSM carrier and have an unlocked Nex
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Nope... Don't need nexus because AOSP is boring as Hell. It doesn't even have facebook integration for gods sake. As a matter of fact sir... I have something for you... Check inbox immediately please!
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Rippley05 said:
Well, if we're being honest. There is a reason Samsung is winning, and it's called marketing. It most certainly is NOT because HTC phones are slow getting such minor updates like 4.2. Most people don't know anything about it, and it's not even close. The only ones who really care that much are the people on XDA who root and run custom roms, and we are the minority by a HUGE margin.
Honestly, it's even smaller than that, because some of us who root and run custom roms could still care less about this update. It brings next to nothing for a lot of us. Kernel and the ability to run 4.2 roms will be fun...but not that many people care all that much. We all know how annoying it is, it does suck..but it's definitely not the reason why Samsung is winning lol
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I mostly agree. Remember when people used to call whatever android phone a Droid? Now they say galaxy, even if it's not a Samsung phone. They certainly did something right with the brand name.
Hopefully htc will stick with the One moniker and recover lost customers
It is kinda nice to be the only one among all my friends to have a One while all my Galaxy friends envy my One and say they should have got that instead
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^^^^^ same for me. Got my gf an s4 since she's on verizon and she hates it. Shes always using my one
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Am I the only one not seeing a problem here? HTC is updating a phone that's a year old with the 2nd latest OS version. If anything I would say we should be excited about this.
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bstevens23 said:
Am I the only one not seeing a problem here? HTC is updating a phone that's a year old with the 2nd latest OS version. If anything I would say we should be excited about this.
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Excited about what? The One X deserved the update without a doubt... They should have done this without even thinking. Problem I have is... Not even the DEV edition HTC one which is unbranded sold directly from HTC is still on outdated OS regardless of how minor the update is. If the update is so minor... Why do we not have it? Why does the DEV edition NOT have it officially? It makes no sense that this phone was release 4-5 months ago international and they just not got the update. Ours was released 3 months ago and no update in sight. Call it what you want, but I dare you say POST SUPPORT from HTC is better than POST SUPPORT from Samsung?
NO I'M NOT GOING TO CRAPWIZ so please don't make this cool story useless replying that
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It's just a phone
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XaoSilentrzk said:
Excited about what? The One X deserved the update without a doubt... They should have done this without even thinking. Problem I have is... Not even the DEV edition HTC one which is unbranded sold directly from HTC is still on outdated OS regardless of how minor the update is. If the update is so minor... Why do we not have it? Why does the DEV edition NOT have it officially? It makes no sense that this phone was release 4-5 months ago international and they just not got the update. Ours was released 3 months ago and no update in sight. Call it what you want, but I dare you say POST SUPPORT from HTC is better than POST SUPPORT from Samsung?
NO I'M NOT GOING TO CRAPWIZ so please don't make this cool story useless replying that
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Sprint is holding it up at this point, not htc. I'm pretty sure tho that Sprint is forcing htc to make some signal improvements, since a lot of people complain the S4/3 has it better due to the plastic body.
No source, just my thoughts. No other imaginable reason why we haven't gotten the update
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FrozenRiff said:
Sprint is holding it up at this point, not htc. I'm pretty sure tho that Sprint is forcing htc to make some signal improvements, since a lot of people complain the S4/3 has it better due to the plastic body.
No source, just my thoughts. No other imaginable reason why we haven't gotten the update
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Hasn't that been the trend the last 2 HTC phones? The evo lte has terrible radios
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What I have been thinking is once Verzion starts selling the HTC One, which comes with 4.2.2, then u.s. carriers will be like oh I guess we can update now haha that's what I'm thinking.. but even of they don't, I've herd that since Verizon is CDMA, we will be able to port it fairly easy!
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Bairdog35 said:
What I have been thinking is once Verzion starts selling the HTC One, which comes with 4.2.2, then u.s. carriers will be like oh I guess we can update now haha that's what I'm thinking.. but even of they don't, I've herd that since Verizon is CDMA, we will be able to port it fairly easy!
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This could be close. Verizion usually wants something "exclusive" when it comes to the phones they carry. They may be the only US carrier with 4.2.2 for a limited time through a deal with HTC.
Unrelated note, why do people think sprint has the update already?

Since HTC doesn't seem to know how to update my phone and I obviously don't know how to enjoy it, I'm probably just gonna kill myself. What's the point of life if Satan, sorry - HTC, can't provide a menial software update?
Exactly, no point to life without 4.2. I NEED IT NOW.