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Why AT&T users should boycott this device

1. The number one smartphone maker, Samsung, provides AT&T users with the ability to flash custom roms. Not HTC. And the VIVID is locked does tight on AT&T.
2. "There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC, May 26, 2011 - http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
3. #2 was a boldfaced LIE on the part of Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. Since then, HTC has selectively unlocked bootloaders - blaming carriers when their competitors are providing devices that are pretty much wide open. This same device on another carrier is unlockable. That promise has clearly been broken.
4. The common denominator is HTC, not AT&T. Either HTC is gutless or lying, either way, it's THEIR devices that are not unlocked and not the #1 Android supplier.
Don't buy these devices if you want a typical Android experience where you have a choice of firmwares to run. Even if you chose to stay stock with an unlockable bootloader, that choice would be YOURS. Do you really want to give it up?
Join me in boycotting this device. If you already bought one, bring it back to AT&T (You can still choose something else) and tell them WHY.
Personally, I am done buying ANY HTC devices until this policy changes. This BS is getting OLD.

Hey attn1, thats not the only reason I would bring it back. I'm having horrible data connections if any at all.
I didnt like the sgs2, so would you recommend the motorola atrix 2?

I cannot believe I traded my Galaxy S2 for this phone.

SysAdmNj said:
Hey attn1, thats not the only reason I would bring it back. I'm having horrible data connections if any at all.
I didnt like the sgs2, so would you recommend the motorola atrix 2?
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Right now, I think only Samsung and LG are getting it right.

CEaton said:
I cannot believe I traded my Galaxy S2 for this phone.
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attn1 said:
Right now, I think only Samsung and LG are getting it right.
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I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.

attn1 said:
1. The number one smartphone maker, Samsung, provides AT&T users with the ability to flash custom roms. Not HTC. And the VIVID is locked does tight on AT&T.
2. "There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC, May 26, 2011 - http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
3. #2 was a boldfaced LIE on the part of Peter Chou, CEO of HTC. Since then, HTC has selectively unlocked bootloaders - blaming carriers when their competitors are providing devices that are pretty much wide open. This same device on another carrier is unlockable. That promise has clearly been broken.
4. The common denominator is HTC, not AT&T. Either HTC is gutless or lying, either way, it's THEIR devices that are not unlocked and not the #1 Android supplier.
Don't buy these devices if you want a typical Android experience where you have a choice of firmwares to run. Even if you chose to stay stock with an unlockable bootloader, that choice would be YOURS. Do you really want to give it up?
Join me in boycotting this device. If you already bought one, bring it back to AT&T (You can still choose something else) and tell them WHY.
Personally, I am done buying ANY HTC devices until this policy changes. This BS is getting OLD.
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What??? Why is the HTC Raider's bootloader unlockable on the htcdev site then?
edit: You're a smart guy and I'm sure you can understand the inherent risks of allowing an unlocked bootloader and custom roms (would you download a version of Windows from some torrent site and just trust it). That said HTC is merely making you accept responsibility if you do unlock that bootloader. It seems to me as if ATT is the one not allowing that since The HTC Holiday on Rogers (Raider) is able to be unlocked via their tool, but ATT's (Vivid) isn't.

I will join you in this boycott.
I currently have an unlocked i9100 I'm using, and I was SERIOUSLY considering picking up one of these because a) I want to get on an unlimited LTE plan asap as I assume ATT being the douche-nozzles they are will surely take it away soon and b) for use as an LTE modem essentially since I have such a hard time getting data service in downtown chicago. Not anymore! (unfortunately, I also can't justify buying the skyrocket when I already have the gsII, would have been fun to have something different to play with)
I agree, this bootloader locking is BS. Samsung has phones on every carrier, none of them with locked bootloaders. Even my mom's Charge on Verizon (gag) is unlocked.

Well crap! This isn't what I'd like to have seen from you attn1, but at the same time, I'm sure you're tired of holding ppl's hand to try and root/s-off their phones w/your tool.
Le sigh, I was lookin forward to this and hopefully using another fine piece of attn1 software.

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What??? Why is the HTC Raider's bootloader unlockable on the htcdev site then?
edit: You're a smart guy and I'm sure you can understand the inherent risks of allowing an unlocked bootloader and custom roms (would you download a version of Windows from some torrent site and just trust it). That said HTC is merely making you accept responsibility if you do unlock that bootloader. It seems to me as if ATT is the one not allowing that since The HTC Holiday on Rogers (Raider) is able to be unlocked via their tool, but ATT's (Vivid) isn't.
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No, Samsung and LG devices are open on AT&T. HTC and Motorola are not. There is no option "to accept responsibility" - which would be fine by me. Please go back and re-read the OP. HTC is not delivering what they can - or what they promised.
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I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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I would not use LTE until it is more fully deployed anyway.

SysAdmNj said:
I would try the samsung galaxy skyrocket but they are having the same lte data connection issues for non lte areas apparently.
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I'm not sure what connection issues you are referring to. This is the first I've heard anyone mention that.
I live in an LTE area but work in an HSPA area. No connection issues anywhere, regardless of LTE or not.
I have the SkyRocket though.

attn1 said:
No, Samsung and LG devices are open on AT&T. HTC and Motorola are not. There is no option "to accept responsibility" - which would be fine by me. Please go back and re-read the OP. HTC is not delivering what they can - or what they promised.
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I read your post. I understand what you're saying. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying. I know what HTC promised and realize they haven't lived up to that promise. They are offering a means to unlocking it though. Carriers have to agree though and you have to accept some agreement as well.
HTC's Bootloader Unlock Site
This site works for the Raider, not for our Vivid. Gives a CID (carrier) error.

rquinn19 said:
I read your post. I understand what you're saying. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying. I know what HTC promised and realize they haven't lived up to that promise. They are offering a means to unlocking it though. Carriers have to agree though and you have to accept some agreement as well.
HTC's Bootloader Unlock Site
This site works for the Raider, not for our Vivid. Gives a CID (carrier) error.
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No, carriers do NOT have to agree, as evidenced by current offerings from Samsung, LG and Sony. HTC is using carriers as a excuse to do what they want anyway. Their competition is not. Regardless of who's issue it is, not buying such a device is the best course of action, and if sales are down significantly, will drive change. Even if it doesn't, anyone lurking around on XDA developers would be infinitely better off with a more open device.

I agree somewhat with you, however things to keep in mind.
1. Accessing the bootloader voids the warranty, so why should AT&T care?
2. Have you contacted HTC as of yet? I have and they said Bootloader shouldn't be locked and if it is ALL devices get an unlock code. I tried to Unlock, and given the device launched on Sunday I am not surprised.
3. HTC is not the only one locking bootloaders, Motorola is FAR WORSE.
Personally I like the phone. I do place custom roms on my devices. As a previous owner of the Droid X and Atrix, I have experienced locked bootloaders.
This phone for me is better than the SGS2. Quirks of the SGS2 Rom with Touch Wiz and not a fully functioning CM yet it wasn't good.

I'l just start off by saying I am not a developer and don't know much about bootloaders and such.. going from a Captivate to the Vivid, I already see a difference in support of development. Is it really this bad?
I'm loving the Vivid as it is, and I HATE stock ROMs, all of them. I just hope that things may change for current Vivid owners.. after all, it's only been two days.

I'm really disappointed with what I'm reading. The Vivid is my first Android device that I've purchased on AT&T, and so far it seems like a great phone. But if devs are saying the device should be boycotted, that doesn't seem like a good sign for future development support.

I don't see what's bad about this device. I'm still going to get this device regardless of what a Dev says .
Edit: And this phone JUST CAME OUT. I do not expect anything within the first week or two. But if it remains like this, i may have to jump on this boycott with you. And i sure as hell don't want to buy another Samsung device
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I had a Vibrant, and when I switched to AT&T, the Infuse was the only good phone on AT&T (I mainly did not want to give up SAMOLED).
I do not want to get another samsung phone, but if I have to get the skyrocket because of HTC's lies, I will.
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trell959 said:
I don't see what's bad about this device. I'm still going to get this device regardless of what a Dev says .
Edit: And this phone JUST CAME OUT. I do not expect anything within the first week or two. But if it remains like this, i may have to jump on this boycott with you. And i sure as hell don't want to buy another Samsung device
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Yeah. I mean so what if they may have been hypocritical in promising things they have yet to follow up on. At least give it some time. Something is better than nothing.

Ok for 1 I know for a FACT not ALL LG Devices have Unlocked bootloader's considering I Have one so don't go saying that unless you can 100% back that up. Second, I am more than willing to bet AT&T forced HTC to lock the bootloader and I would not be in the least suprised that the new Samsung would be locked down as well considering they are the 1st LTE Devices to be available on AT&T. Regardless though like people said this thing has only been out for less than a freaking week. I am also willing to bet given a month or so HTC will have an Unlock for this device regardless as to what AT&T wants to do.

Big Dawg 23 said:
1. Accessing the bootloader voids the warranty, so why should AT&T care?
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Not true - it may or may not void the warranty, depending on the nature of the problem. That gray area is what HTC fears will cost money. I didn't say AT&T would care about warranty. I said HTC would.
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Ok for 1 I know for a FACT not ALL LG Devices have Unlocked bootloader's considering I Have one so don't go saying that unless you can 100% back that up. Second, I am more than willing to bet AT&T forced HTC to lock the bootloader and I would not be in the least suprised that the new Samsung would be locked down as well considering they are the 1st LTE Devices to be available on AT&T. Regardless though like people said this thing has only been out for less than a freaking week. I am also willing to bet given a month or so HTC will have an Unlock for this device regardless as to what AT&T wants to do.
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Recent phones from LG like the Thrill and the 2GS have been unlockable.
All the recent Samsungs are easily unlockable.
HTC already has an unlock for this device - (on Rogers) and excluded AT&T - one of their largest markets.

Atrix HD Developer Edition Coming soon

We’re happy to announce that the MOTOROLA ATRIX™ HD will be available in a Developer Edition and also be a supported device in the Bootloader Unlock program. It has the same features and specs as the regular MOTOROLA ATRIX HD, but allows the infinite customization possibilities offered by an unlockable bootloader. Unlocking a bootloader isn’t for everyone, but for some, it’s a must-have.
http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/11/06/announcing-the-motorola-atrix-hd-developer-edition/

Now that's some bull****.

I don't understand why they won't do it like HTC and let anyone opt in to unlocking their bootloader. I doubt there's any real changes. Just certain IMEIs or serial numbers are able to use the unlock.
When Moto shafted the Atrix users and reneged on updating the Atrix I should've stayed away. I don't understand how they sit down in a room and come up with these ideas and think the customer will not mind.

Moto makes good phones, but they are morons
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Based on this announcement, can we ever expect an unlocked bootloader for our already purchased atrixes?
If not I might have to ditch the phone, which is really a shame.

It's still there. I tried to comment similarly though and it wouldn't let me.
Sent from my Atrix HD MAXX 4.1

This is the deciding factor that's pushing me to pick up a Nexus 4. :|

Are you effing kidding me???

SirHoover2010 said:
Moto makes good phones, but they are morons
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AT&T refuses to allow the AT&T branded ATRIX HD to be in the unlock program... Motorola is now releasing an unlockable version and going past AT&T. And somehow Motorola are the morons?

ripin150 said:
This is the deciding factor that's pushing me to pick up a Nexus 4. :|
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+100,000,000
Sent from my A H Delicious Maxxx!

Yea but they could do a lot of things to help us out. Such as leak a jb that unlock bootloader, have "something go wrong" where the bootloader tool now works for us
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Yup, we've all been screwed, now we need to find a way to unlock the bootloader without moto's help. also, the only difference between that and the bell edition is that stupid at&t logo at the bottom of it... this is complete crap and such a waste for a phone with so much potential that is now just going to fade away to oblivion.

SirHoover2010 said:
Yea but they could do a lot of things to help us out. Such as leak a jb that unlock bootloader, have "something go wrong" where the bootloader tool now works for us
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They are respecting AT&T's wishes. They told everyone beforehand the ATRIX HD would not be unlockable.... expecting otherwise is lunacy.

mattlgroff said:
They are respecting AT&T's wishes. They told everyone beforehand the ATRIX HD would not be unlockable.... expecting otherwise is lunacy.
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I dont expect an unlocked bootloader. I just don't like having the option for an unlocked bootloader coming out a month and a half after I got the phone. Also I spoke with moto and asked about the retail version being unlocked and they said "I can not answer that question, as I do not have permission discussing that" so I have never heard motorola say that the Atrix hd will NEVER be unlocked. They may have but I have not heard it. Either way I like this phone, but they should have said MUCH earlier that they plan a dev edition so everyone that wanted the dev edition could wait. Not get stuck with the retail version.

mattlgroff said:
They are respecting AT&T's wishes. They told everyone beforehand the ATRIX HD would not be unlockable.... expecting otherwise is lunacy.
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That isn't what they said. They said it is locked, but "our goal is still to provide a way to unlock the bootloaders on our devices to those who wish to do so, more details to come."

mandrsn1 said:
That isn't what they said. They said it is locked, but "our goal is still to provide a way to unlock the bootloaders on our devices to those who wish to do so, more details to come."
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I remember reading that several places. It's a shame the Moto can't do right by their customers and support us, rather than bowing to ATT. I understand they need ATT to carry their phones, but there needs to be an option for us. That is what is suppose to be what is great about android, the unlimited possibilities. A dev edition phone is helpful to those that don't already have the phone. I for one will not sell this phone then spend 250-350 more for the dev edition, I'll buy a sammy phone. I believe that since we are the customers that spend OUR money on their product, we should get more support. I for one will not buy another moto device if I don't see a huge improvement in the way the support their customers.

They need to "leak" an update on one of those servers that unlocks the BL.

rquinn19 said:
They need to "leak" an update on one of those servers that unlocks the BL.
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My original idea...Easy to do and nothing ATT can do about it

SirHoover2010 said:
My original idea...Easy to do and nothing ATT can do about it
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Isn't that what happened with the OG atrix?

mandrsn1 said:
Isn't that what happened with the OG atrix?
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Correct.

Question about development

Moto X has been released in the end of summer and yet it looks pretty dead in here. What gives? Not a developer friendly phone?

I'm a new user of moto x (bought yesterday) and I think that devs are waiting for more upgrades to kit kat in all carriers and versions (VZ, ATT, GSM, rogers)

Not a lot of devs bought the phone. Also most people are happy with the phone as-is.

any phone with locked bootloaders will be not be super active with development. Also most people want aosp roms (CM, AOKP) etc, so we already basically have aosp on here anyway, so there isn't a lot of negativity about the lack of development

The Stock ROM is perfect, xposed framework makes it even more beyond perfect. If that's possible
Sent on my Moto X

I figure camera and screen colors could be tweaked .....I heard those are weak spots.

I suspect sales of the Moto X are not quite as good as anticipated, which is a real shame since it's such an excellent phone.
Additionally, and most importantly, the two biggest carriers - AT&T and Verizon - have locked bootloaders for the subsidized versions, which comprise a vast majority of phone sales. Offering a dev edition isn't enough if you can't get that edition subsidized, since one of the major drivers of development is the popularity of a phone.
To boot, Motorola only recently changed their policy on unlocking bootloaders to not void the warranty, which may have driven some people to buy subsidized/locked versions rather than springing for the development edition. Aside from the development edition being ugly (IMO), it's hard to justify spending $500+ on something that has no warranty.

I dont get the point of dev edition phones that are so hard to root. i just spend like an hour reading here and still dont know how to root tmobile MX, and i've rooted all my phones with breeze starting with N1

kolyan said:
I dont get the point of dev edition phones that are so hard to root. i just spend like an hour reading here and still dont know how to root tmobile MX, and i've rooted all my phones with breeze starting with N1
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If you have a Dev edition Moto X it should take 5 minutes to root......
Flash a recovery in fastboot, then flash a SU package.
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droe411 said:
If you have a Dev edition Moto X it should take 5 minutes to root......
Flash a recovery in fastboot, then flash a SU package.
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thats what i though, but i cant find this anywhere. the only thread i found was dated Aug/Sept with this root method for tmobile and thread is locked now....(assuming tmobile and dev edition are the same phones)

kolyan said:
thats what i though, but i cant find this anywhere. the only thread i found was dated Aug/Sept with this root method for tmobile and thread is locked now....(assuming tmobile and dev edition are the same phones)
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If your bootloader is unlocked you should be able to do this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47679799

chaoslimits said:
If your bootloader is unlocked you should be able to do this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47679799
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Thanks. I'll give it a try. That's what I've always done before....

[Q] Do you think the devs will unlock bootloader in Turbo??

i hope the devs support the droid turbo.
verizon locks down the droid tight.

With the nexus 6 also coming out it'll be a coin toss. Motorola has been cool about it since Google had it but now Lenovo takes over...

i think Sunshine V3.0 will work.. fingers crossed.

its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.

Jaocagomez said:
its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.
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I think the comparison would be to a moto X 2nd Gen. It's got more similar firmware.
Sent from my unlocked consumer edition Motorola Droid Maxx xt1080m.

Jaocagomez said:
its so similar in hardware to nexus 6, time will tell.
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It literally takes ONE TINY THING which has nothing to do with advertised specs to make the phone bullet proof, or at least impermeable by usual means.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=56172538&postcount=20
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If you're going to comment on a dev forum, at least understand the terminology before you use it... otherwise it makes you seem ignorant. "UNLOCKED" and "UNLOCKING THE BOOTLOADER" are two very different things that have ZERO to do with one another.
All LTE CDMA phones for the past 2 years that use a SIM are "unlocked", as this refers to the carrier lock that is placed on the device when it is sold in bulk to network providers (which is why you have three network settings in your phones setting menu - LTE, GSM, and Global). Don't use terminology you don't understand, as you're adding to the ignorance too many seem to have about what unlocking is and what unlocking a bootloader is. It makes it only that much harder for other individuals to get the correct information, and is the reason why a VZW rep tried to tell me I don't need a developer edition to unlock my phone, because all LTE devices are unlocked when I tried to explain I was looking for a developer edition so I could unlock the bootloader.
Very few Verizon phones have the capability to unlock the phone's bootloader, which allows for rooting without an exploit and the ability to flash custom ROMs (firmware), such as Cyanagenmod. Those of you believing root will appear on any new Motorola phones are not well versed in Motorola phones sold by Verizon. Dan Rosenberg, who is the person anyone with a Motorola device on Verizon has to to thank for the last half decade of being able to root your Motorola VZW phones, has repeatedly posted on numerous threads for over a year to not expect for your Motorola devices to be rooted and if you want root, either buy a Nexus or buy a Developer Edition (if VZW is going to release any more editions after the S5 is not known and information about Developer Editions for the Note 4 Droid Turbo have been repeatedly ignored by VZW's Public Affairs office). This is due to the fact VZW has wizened up and made finding an exploit on anything past 4.4.4 nigh impossible. Exploits that allow root access are not easy to find (taking several months for most VZW Moto root exploits) and as soon as one is found, within a matter of weeks, if not days, VZW will push an automatic update, forcing your phone to update to patch the exploit. This is why when you root your phone you're told to disable OTA updates at the apk level by freezing the update apk or removing it all together after making a backup of it.
Many Motorola users got a surprise in late Spring when a Moto employee "accidentally" included the exploited code that allowed you to blow the fuse and unlock the bootloader of devices running 4.4.2. That was a once in a billion opportunity that will probably never happen again. Every time an exploit has been found that allowed root access or the ability to unlock the bootloader (which was only recently cracked in the past year, possibly two... to put that in perspective, it took over half a decade for Dan Rosenberg to find the exploit that allowed the internal fuse to be blown, unlocking the bootloader). Exploits are not easy things to find, especially in Motorola devices running on VZW's network.
To all of those that like to post root bounties... BUY A DEVELOPER EDITION. You'll pay $300 for a device and then offer $300+ for a root bounty... which is the cost of developer edition device... considering VZW offers Edge, you no longer have to pay full retail in one go for a DE. From this point forward, VZW customers need to comprehend the fact that rooting will continue to be increasingly difficult to perform, most especially on Moto phones running on VZW's network. If you want root access, buy the S5 developer edition or wait until the first week of december to see if a developer edition for the Note 4 will be released (if a Note 4 DE is going to be released, it will occur within the 4 - 6 weeks following it's RTM on 10/23 [Thursday]).
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The answer is no, you will probably never see a root exploit for the Droid Turbo. The person above linked to one of my prior posts on a different thread, and it comes down to two fundamental facts... there is probably not going to be a DE of the Turbo because of the Nexus 6, and rooting a non-bootloader unlocked device once it's running Android 5.0 [Lollipop] and beyond is damn near impossible. The latter has to do withe SELinux and how Google locked down the partitions and permissions. ChainFire wrote two posts on Google+ that explain in great detail why those without unlocked bootloader can kiss rooting goodbye. It's not impossible, however it is highly improbable a root exploit will be found, in the same way it's possible the Earth could be hit today by a 5 mile wide asteroid, but it's highly improbable.
The new security features Google built into Android 5.0 is a double edged sword... on one hand they've finally addressed issues that, as of today, make Android the least secure OS on the market; however, the security that all of us most definitely want makes it highly unlikely a root exploit could be run on a non-bootloader unlocked device. The only reason it would work on an unlocked bootloader device is because a previous kernel could be flashed that would allow the exploit to run at bootup (flashing kernels is prevented by locked bootloaders).
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I hope so

How to Avoid Verizon Bloat on Verizon Nexus 6?

Obviously I don't have a Verizon Nexus 6 as it is not yet available. But from what I have gleaned from this forum is that if you do get a Verizon N6, you can avoid bloat being installed if you activate and set it up over WiFi WITHOUT the SIM card in it. Supposedly, that avoids all of the bloat being installed.
With an unlockable bootloader, it shouldn't be an issue to remove bloat, but why not prevent it from being installed in the first place? Of course, if some of that "bloat" is necessary for VoLTE, well then you would have to do a factory reset and go through set up again with the Verizon SIM card in the phone.

The thing is, though, the bloat that gets installed is an application or two like the Verizon account manager and whatever. It really doesn't install bloat like Flipboard or Dropbox.
I recommend leaving the SIM in the phone to properly activate the device when being set up, or you risk certain features not being set up properly. If it installs anything, remember, they are 100% uninstallable applications. I'm not sure why everybody is so averse to it. Even T-Mobile only installing the account manager got people upset. Juste don't buy the phone from Verizon and you avoid the actual bloat like the boot animation, ringtones, back panel branding, and other stuff.
Unless there is something I'm not aware of, just set up the phone with the SIM card.

Yes I am on Verizon right now with my N6 but even when they do go live with a lot of "bloat" it is easily disabled or "frozen" without root. This phone was designed to be easy to program and will not be easily locked down by VZW.
Even though I would highly suggest you do unlock your phone and root it. I have been on Verizon for over 6 years and I have never not rooted. I am very anti bloat, anti advertisements, and hate having apps I will never use running on my phone.
Sent from my Nexus 6

JulesJam said:
With an unlockable bootloader, it shouldn't be an issue to remove bloat, but why not prevent it from being installed in the first place?
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This statement tells me you don't quite understand what's going on here. It's non sequitur.
The bootloader is indeed unlockable but this has nothing whatsoever to do with removing this bloatware. This isn't like when they used to include bloat on the /system partition. These apps are installed from the Play Store and can be fully removed by simply uninstalling them. Taking your SIM out to set the phone up is utterly pointless

The only thing different the Verizon model should have different is the carrier specific ring tones, Verizon boot animation, and possibly boot sound. Everything else is the same.
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crachel said:
This statement tells me you don't quite understand what's going on here. It's non sequitur.
The bootloader is indeed unlockable but this has nothing whatsoever to do with removing this bloatware.
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I understand perfectly fine. Unlocking a Motorola bootloader has everything to do with getting root and you need root to get rid of MyVerizon, NFL Mobile and Verizon Navigator.
While you may be satisfied with letting the bloat take up storage on your phone, others are not (especially when you only have 32GB and no SD card). The Verizon bloat is not removable w/o root and root is not possible on these newer Motorola phones w/o unlocking the bootloader. I know, I have a Verizon Moto X 2014 and it sucks to have this crapware take up storage on your device when it only has 32GB to begin with and no SD card. If you don't have root, you can only disable the Verizon bloatware, not remove it.
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This isn't like when they used to include bloat on the /system partition. These apps are installed from the Play Store and can be fully removed by simply uninstalling them.
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No they cannot. They can only be disabled. You aren't on Verizon are you? If you were, you would know that you can't remove the bloat w/o root.
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Taking your SIM out to set the phone up is utterly pointless
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No it's not for the reason I said. You would have to unlock the bootloader, get root and then you could remove the bloatware.
We shall see if Verizon forces the bloat onto the Nexus 6, but since they did with the GNex and since 2 of these apps are paid features through Verizon, I am certain they will do it.

Intub8 said:
The only thing different the Verizon model should have different is the carrier specific ring tones, Verizon boot animation, and possibly boot sound. Everything else is the same.
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There isn't a chance in heck that they won't load MyVerizon, Verizon Navigator and NFL Mobile onto the Verizon N6. They will be loaded just like they were with the GNex.

JulesJam said:
I understand perfectly fine. Unlocking a Motorola bootloader has everything to do with getting root and you need root to get rid of MyVerizon, NFL Mobile and Verizon Navigator.
While you may be satisfied with letting the bloat take up storage on your phone, others are not (especially when you only have 32GB and no SD card). The Verizon bloat is not removable w/o root and root is not possible on these newer Motorola phones w/o unlocking the bootloader. I know, I have a Verizon Moto X 2014 and it sucks to have this crapware take up storage on your device when it only has 32GB to begin with and no SD card. If you don't have root, you can only disable the Verizon bloatware, not remove it.
No they cannot. They can only be disabled. You aren't on Verizon are you? If you were, you would know that you can't remove the bloat w/o root.
No it's not for the reason I said. You would have to unlock the bootloader, get root and then you could remove the bloatware.
We shall see if Verizon forces the bloat onto the Nexus 6, but since they did with the GNex and since 2 of these apps are paid features through Verizon, I am certain they will do it.
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You're simply wrong here. OEM specific apps/changes are not installed on the /system partition on the Nexus 6. They are either installed at boot via the play store or added to the /oem partition. The bootanimation, sounds, etc that might be installed on the Verizon Nexus would not be removable without root. Any apps would be simply removed by normal means. Do some research before arguing and making yourself look foolish please.

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You're simply wrong here. OEM specific apps/changes are not installed on the /system partition on the Nexus 6. They are either installed at boot via the play store or added to the /oem partition.
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So I can remove them from my locked down tight Verizon Moto X 2014? How? I would like to get them off of my device, thanks.

JulesJam said:
So I can remove them from my locked down tight Verizon Moto X 2014? How? I would like to get them off of my device, thanks.
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Your Moto X isn't a Nexus. Go check out how the AT&T Nexus works. And do some reading on carrier apps on Nexus 6 as Google has already discussed how this will work.

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Your Moto X isn't a Nexus. Go check out how the AT&T Nexus works. And do some reading on carrier apps on Nexus 6 as Google has already discussed how this will work.
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So you are saying that if I left my N6 locked and unrooted, I would still be able to remove MyVerizon, Verizon Navigator and NFL Mobile?

I think you might be missing the point here. you are comparing apples and oranges. the Moto X is not a pure android experience device. The nexus is released by Google with the sole point of being pure android. that's why you can remove them without root on a nexus and not on a moto x.

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So you are saying that if I left my N6 locked and unrooted, I would still be able to remove MyVerizon, Verizon Navigator and NFL Mobile?
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Yes, just like everybody else has

RPelham said:
I think you might be missing the point here. you are comparing apples and oranges. the Moto X is not a pure android experience device. The nexus is released by Google with the sole point of being pure android. that's why you can remove them without root on a nexus and not on a moto x.
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Thanks, that is actually a helpful explanation (unlike the posts of other hostile posters who are unnecessarily rude). I will have to take a look at how as I don't remember that being possible on the GNex. It's been a long time since we have had a Nexus on Verizon and I am trying to remember what it was like, lol!

JulesJam said:
Thanks, that is actually a helpful explanation (unlike the posts of other hostile posters who are unnecessarily rude). I will have to take a look at it as I don't remember that being possible on the GNex.
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no problem. don't forget, its Verizon. anything is possible for them. it wouldn't surprise me if by some 1 in a million chance they get away with loading their apps on the system partition (though I highly doubt it). its all speculation until the device is released. no one can confirm for sure who's right until someone buys it.

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no problem. don't forget, its Verizon. anything is possible for them. it wouldn't surprise me if by some 1 in a million chance they get away with loading their apps on the system partition (though I highly doubt it). its all speculation until the device is released. no one can confirm for sure who's right until someone buys it.
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This is how I feel about Verizon, too. Particularly since they made us wait so long for the N6. Although, I suspect that Google wanted VoLTE to work on the Verizon N6 at release so that may have been the cause of the delay.
I am going to test whether or not VoLTE as a feature sticks on my line by putting an iP6 on it, enabling VoLTE then putting my Moto X back on it. If the VoLTE feature sticks on my line, then I am going with the white N6 from Motorola and won't have to worry about this anyhow. I will flip an iPhone with my upgrade.

JulesJam said:
This is how I feel about Verizon, too. Particularly since they made us wait so long for the N6. Although, I suspect that Google wanted VoLTE to work on the Verizon N6 at release so that may have been the cause of the delay.
I am going to test whether or not VoLTE as a feature sticks on my line by putting an iP6 on it, enabling VoLTE then putting my Moto X back on it. If the VoLTE feature sticks on my line, then I am going with the white N6 from Motorola and won't have to worry about this anyhow. I will flip an iPhone with my upgrade.
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might be the reason they waited so long, but IMO it took way too long. I was with Verizon and jumped ship after the n6 was released for 2 weeks and there was no release date in sight. I'm glad I did because I love my n6 and getting it over 3 months ago was nice! I'm glad I didn't wait, can't stand how long Verizon takes to release new hardware (even worst for software).

JulesJam said:
Thanks, that is actually a helpful explanation (unlike the posts of other hostile posters who are unnecessarily rude). I will have to take a look at how as I don't remember that being possible on the GNex. It's been a long time since we have had a Nexus on Verizon and I am trying to remember what it was like, lol!
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It wasn't possible on GNex.

JulesJam said:
Thanks, that is actually a helpful explanation (unlike the posts of other hostile posters who are unnecessarily rude). I will have to take a look at how as I don't remember that being possible on the GNex. It's been a long time since we have had a Nexus on Verizon and I am trying to remember what it was like, lol!
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I apologize if I came off as rude. As @RPelham said, it's all speculation at this point anyway. We don't know what Google let Verizon get away with. But it does appear likely theyll use the same OEM customization that the other carriers are using, which doesn't affect the /system partition

if your all so worried about the bloatware then buy from motorola or google. Its that simple. Heck even motorola offers a payment plan for their devices.