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I will be using my GTab as my primary travel "laptop" since it's much easier to tug on a plane and the battery lasts 4 times longer.
This means I may very well have sensitive information, including my contact list, on it at any given time. I'm concerned that if I do this and it's stolen in an Airport or left in a cab that I could have a data breach.
What security options have people used? I'm concerned first about locking the device to keep out the average joe, but I also would like to have an encrypted section on the SDCard for sensitive file storage. I assume there's no way to encrypt contacts or email on the device, but other documents and spreadsheets would be good.
There's still a LOT of things I'd never put on a mobile device, but at times I might need to travel with sensitive information.
My suggestion for sensitive data would be a seperate Thumb drive with password protection. Just to be on the safe side. Use pin or password security on the tablet as opposed to lockscreen gesture. I use all the dots for my gesture so that my fingerprint trails can't be easily traced over.
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boilock is coming
Has anyone tried the premium version of "Lookout".apk ? I have the basic virus scanner version, but the premium claims to include remoted data wipe and remote lock. Just google it for more info. The premium costs $29.99 per year
Vegan has the logon security option. I use it on mine.....
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yes it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KRelvzkXdU
hope this works on the gtab think it would be pretty sweet!
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insight3fl said:
Has anyone tried the premium version of "Lookout".apk ? I have the basic virus scanner version, but the premium claims to include remoted data wipe and remote lock. Just google it for more info. The premium costs $29.99 per year
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I use Lookout premium for my Vibrant, and am researching to see if I can apply my premium protections to an additional device. I have been very happy with Lookout. Of all the programs out there this was the one I found to be best in terms of locking my phone remotely and not giving someone an easy way to figure out how to unlock it. Not sure if it will do the same for my rooted G Tab though. I'll let you know what I find out...
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I use Lookout premium for my Vibrant, and am researching to see if I can apply my premium protections to an additional device. I have been very happy with Lookout. Of all the programs out there this was the one I found to be best in terms of locking my phone remotely and not giving someone an easy way to figure out how to unlock it. Not sure if it will do the same for my rooted G Tab though. I'll let you know what I find out...
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I checked with Lookout and they said that I can have two devices on my account. The only caveat is that since my G Tablet has no number it can't take advantage of advanced features that require SMS communication with the Lookout server. But the install went fine, signing in went fine, and I am now scanned and good to go!
How would lookout "Find your phone if it is lost or stolen"??? off of the Wifi signal if it is avaliable for the tablet?
I have been using this app as long as I had this phone. But I realized that it made my phone really slow while installing things because it had to scan it. I'm thinking about uninstalling it....
Is this app necessary? Are there any alternatives?
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There is another alternative.
AVG owns DroidSecurity and then Lookouts version.
Necessary? Maybe maybe not. If your phone isn't rooted it is probably not an issue, and if it's rooted it might not be if you keep track of what apps have root access.
Root kits are out there in the mobile world.
AVG owns DroidSecurity and then Lookouts version.
I meant,
AVG own DroidSecurity which has some of the same features as Lookouts version.
I read way too much on here and have yet to see a thread "help I think I have a virus"
Yeah, I have yet to see a post about a possible virus. Lookout provides a few other options which makes it handy, and one that makes it dangerous. The tracking feature (which has been repeated in a few other apps that may or may not need root access) is something that can be used for bad or good.
The biggest problem is apps outside of the normal app store and ones needing root access. Android (and linux/unix/mac) have security issues exploits and whatnot but they are not prevalent like they are in Windows. Windows Mobile has root kits, and there are groups that have warned of security holes and exploits in Android and I remember there being a few on jailbroken IOS devices.
Do you guys use any security app?
I deleted it for now and it seemed to have increase my phone's speed a lot.
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At this point the biggest risk is from a lost or stolen phone. I don't use any application for security though.
I use lookout, but the only thing I use it for is the "Find Me" feature, you're right, having it scan all apps on install is super painful, esp if you're restoring after a flash...
I use it. I might not need it with how picky I am about apps but knowing that mobile phones are a big security hole I want something.
Searched the market place and noticed that Macafee and Norton are releasing their own now.
Phones (the type XDA users have) are more like computers every week and not treating them as such could be dangerous in the near future.
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Well the find me feature doesn't work on my phone cause my GPS is horrible even though I tried everything.. anyway I'm looking for other security apps that only scans when I want it to. Is the ES security good?
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Not sure about the other ones. Stick to the big name ones such as Lookout, AVG, Norton, Macaffee since they have a lot riding on making quality products.
I would add games to the do not scan list so that my game playing wouldn't get slow, also adding them to the whitelist for watchdog helps avoid the performance hit you get from the constant scanning of accessed files and monitoring of the processes.
Which one should I get. Avg security or antivirus.? What's the difference?
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I had lookout for a little while. I think my phone runs better now that i got rid of it. I also dont download random things i see or go to off websites.
While I haven' seen posts about viruses here, before I got my android there was a news story about all the phones infected by files from the market.
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Until KAV, Panda, or Avira make one for the phones, stick with AVG or Lookout, I prefer Lookout because of the features (but the Norton and MacAffee I think provide the same stuff)
If you do a search for pwn2own you'll find that everything has exploits and holes(except for chrome so far).
Finding good security software is hard.
Lookout and AVG may or may not work, but what other choices are there?
Im really asking too BTW.
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I can't get the Amazon Appstore app to install. It gives me the message "Do you want to install this application? It will get access to:" then a list of areas and boxes for cancel or install. When I click install nothing happens. The cancel box works. (I did check the unknown sources in settings)
If it is being blocked by Google, that would suck.
I'm pretty shure its being blocked by Google.
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I'm pretty shure its being blocked by Google.
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If it's being blocked I might return my Nexus 7. It would suck that they would only let you buy apps from them.
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I can't get the Amazon Appstore app to install. It gives me the message "Do you want to install this application? It will get access to:" then a list of areas and boxes for cancel or install. When I click install nothing happens. The cancel box works. (I did check the unknown sources in settings)
If it is being blocked by Google, that would suck.
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Not true it's working for me. Go to Amazon& request a new link to be sent to your email.
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Thats strange, i was able to do it on my N7. Maybe a reboot of some sort?
Works fine here. Go into Setting>Security and check Allow unknown sources. Go to Amazon web site and follow instructions to download and install. Did that to download an older version of a zombie killing game that works on N7.
Works fine for me. I use it every day to get the free "cr"app of the day.
Try rebooting it then re-installing.
If you're installing it from a previous backup from another device, it most likely won't work (not assuming you are, but just in case...) Like the others said, go to Amazon and get it directly and you should have no problem.
What worked for me was clicking the link for tablets. It says something like "no email or phone number, click here" and that downloaded the APK directly into my system download folder. From there it installed just fine. I had to do this to get it on my Google TV also. It seems to bypass some sort of test since the Google TV isn't officially compatible with it.
I just worked with an Amazon tech, got it to install using by going to this like in the browser on the N7.
http://www.amazon.com/app-email
Works fine now.
Mine installed fine. I used the APK from my phone. Got a bunch of the nicer FAOTD apps working perfectly too.
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Works fine for me. I use it every day to get the free "cr"app of the day.
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Idk man, I've gotten a few awesome ones for free, like quick office, sketchbook mobile, and some games like monopoly for free.
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I find it incredible that everyone is giving Amazon a free pass for contributing to the Android Malware myth.
The fact you have to enable side loading on an Android phone to allow Amazon, means any other malware could also slip in. Using Amazon app store is a REALLY bad idea (plus the fact it's a barren wasteland compared to Google Play, and most of the apps are really out of date versions).
Surely the lure of free versions of old apps is not that strong that you want to open your phone up to allsorts of Android malware nasties?
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I find it incredible that everyone is giving Amazon a free pass for contributing to the Android Malware myth.
The fact you have to enable side loading on an Android phone to allow Amazon, means any other malware could also slip in. Using Amazon app store is a REALLY bad idea (plus the fact it's a barren wasteland compared to Google Play, and most of the apps are really out of date versions).
Surely the lure of free versions of old apps is not that strong that you want to open your phone up to allsorts of Android malware nasties?
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Bugger the Apps they get games too. Of course only if you're from a certain country.
Majority of the free apps are a joke.
I usually check it every day and realize they're all trash (except maybe 2 apps so far) and then I uninstall it. For some reason I get struck with the idiotic idea that I may be missing out on some good free apps, so I stupidly install it again in hopes of some decent apps...... it never happens
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Majority of the free apps are a joke.
I usually check it every day and realize they're all trash (except maybe 2 apps so far) and then I uninstall it. For some reason I get struck with the idiotic idea that I may be missing out on some good free apps, so I stupidly install it again in hopes of some decent apps...... it never happens
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That's what most people think. Once you discover what Amazon are offering for free is basically stuff that deserves to be free anyway, make sure you re-tick the Android security setting and revert back to the proper Android store that Google host.
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Idk man, I've gotten a few awesome ones for free, like quick office, sketchbook mobile, and some games like monopoly for free.
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When it first came out, it was great. Now, the free app is usually a very crappy game. In the past, I got:
Fancy Widgets Pro, Weatherbug Elite, Thumb Keyboard, App 2 SD Pro, Moon Phase Pro, Quickoffice Pro, SoundHound Infinity, Shazam, SwiftKey 3, and several other good ones.
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That's what most people think. Once you discover what Amazon are offering for free is basically stuff that deserves to be free anyway, make sure you re-tick the Android security setting and revert back to the proper Android store that Google host.
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1. I've never once gotten malware and I always sideload apps. I always leave that setting unticked as do most folks I'm sure.
2. having Amazon app store or any other app store doesn't change your default android Google play store.
You want malware, go download Blackmarket apps or pirate stuff, you'll get it then. I do suggest tho, that everyone should install a malware scanner. Avast, lookout, etc.
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I find it incredible that everyone is giving Amazon a free pass for contributing to the Android Malware myth.
The fact you have to enable side loading on an Android phone to allow Amazon, means any other malware could also slip in. Using Amazon app store is a REALLY bad idea (plus the fact it's a barren wasteland compared to Google Play, and most of the apps are really out of date versions).
Surely the lure of free versions of old apps is not that strong that you want to open your phone up to allsorts of Android malware nasties?
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What? Side loading doesn't put you at any greater risk of malware. You always choose to install an app, whether you side loaded it or not.
Nothing wrong or risky with downloading the Amazon app store, being able to choose a different app store is one of the best things about android. CHOICE.
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Don't rip my head off for this one.
I'm on vacation, and have to out my phone in airplane mode for the week. I can only do hangouts with people who either have the app, or have android, and use the app. My gf on the other hand, can iMessage all of her friends, video chat with all her friends, etc. Also, my work emails will only work on iPhone, or on android with an outdated gingerbread styled app.
My question is this -
Hypothetically, if the iPhone had a 5" screen, and allowed widgets and launchers, what would you need the iPhone to have in order for you to switch?
I don't think I would switch because I love the look of android, but I feel like I'm waiting for the OS to unify better between OEM makers, and that doesn't seem to be in the near future. I'm jut curious about everyone else's thoughts.
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iOS suckssss. Its boring. There's no customizability. The hardware is nice though, but android manufacturers are now starting to also make some really nice hardware as well.
Only way I'd take iPhone is if I could flash KitKat on it.
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Nothing would make me want an iPhone. Not now not ever. That thing is insanely pointless, and has crappy software with random bugs. Not even the hardware is good and it costs a fortune.
I'd guess making expensive apps so all the rich and upper middle class people would buy them.. Cause rich people constantly know nothing about technology and populate themselves with iDevices just because they think it's good because it's expensive and popular.
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1) Android
2) redesign
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When google buys apple.
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When google buys apple.
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If that happens, hope they sell beats.
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I'm on vacation, and have to out my phone in airplane mode for the week. I can only do hangouts with people who either have the app, or have android, and use the app. My gf on the other hand, can iMessage all of her friends, video chat with all her friends, etc. Also, my work emails will only work on iPhone, or on android with an outdated gingerbread styled app.
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You could have used Google Voice app to text (SMS) your friends (regardless of whether they had iMessage or Hangouts installed), and could have used hangouts/skype for video chatting.
Work Emails, well, yeah, that sucks, My employer (over 75000 employees worldwide) doesn't have an Android app to access the secure network. When some employees (on a quarterly call with a few thousand employees) asked a senior VP "Why no android app", he responded, and I quote, "because as you all know, Android is so easily hacked, and is insecure". Numbnuts!
Yes, I (along with several others) sent Emails to him explaining the facts (and he said that he'll talk to the IT team to see what was needed to get an Android app developed), but the point is that Android development has been on the backburner for many corporations for many (stupid) reasons.
Would I switch to iPhone? If they provided the ability to use launchers/widgets, *and* the ability to sideload apps, *and* the ability to install adaway type apps, *and* the ability to use tasker type app, and they had the screen size that I wanted, and had deep Google Now integration, sure, why not... It would just be another "Android" phone by that time
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You could have used Google Voice app to text (SMS) your friends (regardless of whether they had iMessage or Hangouts installed), and could have used hangouts/skype for video chatting.
Work Emails, well, yeah, that sucks, My employer (over 75000 employees worldwide) doesn't have an Android app to access the secure network. When some employees (on a quarterly call with a few thousand employees) asked a senior VP "Why no android app", he responded, and I quote, "because as you all know, Android is so easily hacked, and is insecure". Numbnuts!
Yes, I (along with several others) sent Emails to him explaining the facts (and he said that he'll talk to the IT team to see what was needed to get an Android app developed), but the point is that Android development has been on the backburner for many corporations for many (stupid) reasons.
Would I switch to iPhone? If they provided the ability to use launchers/widgets, *and* the ability to sideload apps, *and* the ability to install adaway type apps, *and* the ability to use tasker type app, and they had the screen size that I wanted, and had deep Google Now integration, sure, why not... It would just be another "Android" phone by that time
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See, that's the beauty and beast about android. I love that you can sideload or install an app to do what you want to do, but I don't like the fact that its not integrated better. That's the thing that made me (consider) the iPhone.
For things that I really wish Google would do, is force OEM makers to do specific things to the OS of the phone. For example, integrate hangouts as the main texting app, that way we android users can hangout with each other. The user can download their own texting app if they choose, but at least make the stock one hangouts. Because almost all my android friends have Samsung's, and I have yet to see hangouts being used by them.
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justinisloco said:
See, that's the beauty and beast about android. I love that you can sideload or install an app to do what you want to do, but I don't like the fact that its not integrated better. That's the thing that made me (consider) the iPhone.
For things that I really wish Google would do, is force OEM makers to do specific things to the OS of the phone. For example, integrate hangouts as the main texting app, that way we android users can hangout with each other. The user can download their own texting app if they choose, but at least make the stock one hangouts. Because almost all my android friends have Samsung's, and I have yet to see hangouts being used by them.
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Thing is, some people (me included) like the fact that Google doesn't (yet) force me to use a specific app for a specific purpose. Samsung/HTC and others do bundle their own apps (that can't be uninstalled), and most users call that bloat.
It is rumored that Google will bring VoIP calling capability to Hangouts in the near future (as it did for iOS last year). Once that happens, I would expect more users would install Hangouts (even if it wasn't installed by default). Whether they use it as their texting app would depend on them, but at least you would still be able to use video hangouts with your friends then.
About your first few statements - what is not integrated? From what I know about iOS, Google's integration is just as good (if not better), without taking away the ability of the user to choose a different app for a specific need. Unlike iOS, Android allows you to choose the default app for any action. In my opinion, that provides the best integration.
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Thing is, some people (me included) like the fact that Google doesn't (yet) force me to use a specific app for a specific purpose. Samsung/HTC and others do bundle their own apps (that can't be uninstalled), and most users call that bloat.
It is rumored that Google will bring VoIP calling capability to Hangouts in the near future (as it did for iOS last year). Once that happens, I would expect more users would install Hangouts (even if it wasn't installed by default). Whether they use it as their texting app would depend on them, but at least you would still be able to use video hangouts with your friends then.
About your first few statements - what is not integrated? From what I know about iOS, Google's integration is just as good (if not better), without taking away the ability of the user to choose a different app for a specific need. Unlike iOS, Android allows you to choose the default app for any action. In my opinion, that provides the best integration.
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The default app switching is the biggest part keeping me where I belong. I know I switched to am iPhone for a week and it was the worst.
This Whole thread, by the way, is not to convince me to keep my phone. I love this phone, but just was curious what would make you hardcore android fans switch.
Edit -as far as the bloat, its not bloat I'm talking about, I meant specifically the text app
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Hmm, to be honest, an iPhone with 5" screen and widgets/launchers would probably be enough for me to make the switch. Although the OS would still be very "limited" compared to Android, I don't think I would be too bothered about it. It simply just works better and smoother than Android does or will. People can post benchmarks all they want, or videos comparing app opening times which in reality don't mean that much, but the fact is, the overall experience is a lot smoother on iOS. Even Nexus 5 still lags and stutters when scrolling which is pretty amazing considering the hardware that is inside.
Hangouts comes preinstalled on any Android device that has the Play Store now (I believe... but at least the big flagships like the Galaxy S5, HTC One, Nexus 5, etc...). Your friends may not use it, but it's there :laugh: I think it's been said, but the only reason iMessage/Facetime seems more integrated is that Apple forces you to use it. If Google changed it so that all Android phones had to use Hangouts and alternatives couldn't be installed by the user (there are alternatives for the iPhone, but you need to jailbreak and use Cydia to install them), then I'm sure all of your friends would be using Hangouts. But you'd also upset a lot of Android users who like the choice.
I do think it's ridiculous that Hangouts for iPhone has voice call capability while Hangouts for Android does not.
Anyway, to get me to switch there would need to be a lot of changes. Bigger screen, better support for alternative apps (SMS, dialer, browsers that aren't just interface swaps with the same backend, launcher, etc...), a more complete interface overhaul, access to apps installed from outside the app store (without jailbreaking), NFC support, something like Tasker...
In my country where many people are switching to android, they still don't use Hangout. It all depends on the messing service that is used by all and that's WhatsApp here.
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Hangouts comes preinstalled on any Android device that has the Play Store now (I believe... but at least the big flagships like the Galaxy S5, HTC One, Nexus 5, etc...). Your friends may not use it, but it's there :laugh: I think it's been said, but the only reason iMessage/Facetime seems more integrated is that Apple forces you to use it. If Google changed it so that all Android phones had to use Hangouts and alternatives couldn't be installed by the user (there are alternatives for the iPhone, but you need to jailbreak and use Cydia to install them), then I'm sure all of your friends would be using Hangouts. But you'd also upset a lot of Android users who like the choice.
I do think it's ridiculous that Hangouts for iPhone has voice call capability while Hangouts for Android does not.
Anyway, to get me to switch there would need to be a lot of changes. Bigger screen, better support for alternative apps (SMS, dialer, browsers that aren't just interface swaps with the same backend, launcher, etc...), a more complete interface overhaul, access to apps installed from outside the app store (without jailbreaking), NFC support, something like Tasker...
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I think it would be nice to force that as the stock messaging app, but give users the choice to change it via the market. But that way, my not so techy friends can actually start using hangouts with integration and the techy ones can figure out how to use other messaging apps if they prefer.
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justinisloco said:
I think it would be nice to force that as the stock messaging app, but give users the choice to change it via the market. But that way, my not so techy friends can actually start using hangouts with integration and the techy ones can figure out how to use other messaging apps if they prefer.
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Well, that's how Google handles the Nexus phones, but that's far more control than they have exerted on manufacturer skinned phones. Samsung already doesn't like that they need to include all of the Google apps (apart from the play store) alongside their own, I think that enforcing that they be the default would cause an issue. Especially with Samsung's market share of Android phones.
what would make me want an iphone...hmm...maybe if it wasnt an iphone...that is all.
They'd have to become fully open source for me to even think about it and even then.. Na shock treatment is the only way. ;P Females tend to prefer iphones more than males i think. At least more females that I know use them vs males who i know and they will NOT switch.. My wife, ex now had to have one so i bought her one when we were together. Wasn't impressed with anything but the camera and now Android is just as good in that department.. Android rules!! \m/ Been with Android since the G1.. I have so much love and respect for open source and the customization of Android blows apple off the map.. We can tweak our devices 100% with root, custom roms, kernels and themes.. Aosp is just too great imo.
There are so many apps im sure you can find something that will get the job done..
A great story buy one cool guy... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wYgofunq3OE
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justinisloco said:
Don't rip my head off for this one.
I'm on vacation, and have to out my phone in airplane mode for the week. I can only do hangouts with people who either have the app, or have android, and use the app. My gf on the other hand, can iMessage all of her friends, video chat with all her friends, etc. Also, my work emails will only work on iPhone, or on android with an outdated gingerbread styled app.
My question is this -
Hypothetically, if the iPhone had a 5" screen, and allowed widgets and launchers, what would you need the iPhone to have in order for you to switch?
I don't think I would switch because I love the look of android, but I feel like I'm waiting for the OS to unify better between OEM makers, and that doesn't seem to be in the near future. I'm jut curious about everyone else's thoughts.
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The ability to obtain root access through means other than exploits that Apple patches as fast as they can. If that were possible, along with some more customization, I might consider it. And a price drop. Way too expensive.
Nothing...ever. Even if it was free. Lol
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Hello,
We have just launched Smart Unlock app and we need to know if is compatible with Nexus 6 because wwe do not have this device.
Can you please test it and let us know. Its a 7 day free trial but we can offert a full refund if someone want to buy it, we do not want to take any profit for xda members helping us to test our app.
Tha app is Smart Unlock and extends dafault smart lock functionality by adding wifi trusted devices.
Hope you like it and it works properly on nexus 6, thanks for testing.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.loadinghome.smartunlock
hazex said:
Hello,
We have just launched Smart Unlock app and we need to know if is compatible with Nexus 6 because wwe do not have this device.
Can you please test it and let us know. Its a 7 day free trial but we can offert a full refund if someone want to buy it, we do not want to take any profit for xda members helping us to test our app.
Tha app is Smart Unlock and extends dafault smart lock functionality by adding wifi trusted devices.
Hope you like it and it works properly on nexus 6, thanks for testing.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.loadinghome.smartunlock
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You're doing it wrong. A 'free' app that you have to pay for is stupid. If you're going to charge for it, just charge for it. Making it a mandatory in-app purchase is stupid. If you want to do a 7 day trial, extend the refund windows for your customers. There's nothing worse than trialware.
FREE software! Just kidding, it's a trial, then you can pay for it! Lame.
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You're doing it wrong. A 'free' app that you have to pay for is stupid. If you're going to charge for it, just charge for it. Making it a mandatory in-app purchase is stupid. If you want to do a 7 day trial, extend the refund windows for your customers. There's nothing worse than trialware.
FREE software! Just kidding, it's a trial, then you can pay for it! Lame.
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Hey.
The app is a paid add. We offer a 7 days trial to test and check compatibility.
Im not here for selling apps, I´m here asking for testing on nexus 6. If I have to give free copies I will do it, no problems.
We are also considering a XDA version of theis app limited in number of secure devices and no in time. But is not decided yet. In this case would be completelly free.
hazex said:
Hey.
The app is a paid add. We offer a 7 days trial to test and check compatibility.
Im not here for selling apps, I´m here asking for testing on nexus 6. If I have to give free copies I will do it, no problems.
We are also considering a XDA version of theis app limited in number of secure devices and no in time. But is not decided yet. In this case would be completelly free.
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No, you're doing exactly what I've stated. You're offering a 'free' app, with in-app purchases. However, the 'in-app purchase' is the app itself. So it's forced. You either pay for it after 7 days, or it doesn't work. If your app is going to be paid, make people pay for it up front. Don't be sneaky trying to get your app listed as free when it's really not.
InGeNeTiCs said:
No, you're doing exactly what I've stated. You're offering a 'free' app, with in-app purchases. However, the 'in-app purchase' is the app itself. So it's forced. You either pay for it after 7 days, or it doesn't work. If your app is going to be paid, make people pay for it up front. Don't be sneaky trying to get your app listed as free when it's really not.
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Time trials is a normal practice in android to let user try the app carefully before purchase. Is stated in the first line of our description at google play. I can understand is not accepted at XDA developers forum, thats why we are creating a new exclusive version of the app, but inapp purchases (time limted) are very common on google play.
We are working on a XDA version, limited on number of secure devices (probably 2) and no limited in time. Exclusive for XDA members.
Do you thinks this would be enought?
I would like to listen your suggestions.
hazex said:
Time trials is a normal practice in android to let user try the app carefully before purchase. Is stated in the first line of our description at google play. I can understand is not accepted at XDA developers forum, thats why we are creating a new exclusive version of the app, but inapp purchases (time limted) are very common on google play.
We are working on a XDA version, limited on number of secure devices (probably 2) and no limited in time. Exclusive for XDA members.
Do you thinks this would be enought?
I would like to listen your suggestions.
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Does your app continue to work after 7 days, or are you required to purchase the license?
InGeNeTiCs said:
Does your app continue to work after 7 days, or are you required to purchase the license?
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He already said they are working on a version for XDA free. The version they have on the play store just a trial for 7 days then it's .99 cent.
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He already said they are working on a version for XDA free. The version they have on the play store just a trial for 7 days then it's .99 cent.
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I heard what he said. It's not a matter of me not understanding. I know exactly what is happening here.
I just hate the whole "free, but not really" app model. Trial or not, if you're going to make me pay for it, I want to do it up front, not through some in-app purchase. I'd rather pay for it, then have an available 7-day refund window. This is not so much a personal preference, as a marketing conception. What you're doing is giving someone something for free, then making them pay for it after they decide they like it. What you COULD be doing is making someone pay for something, then offering them a refund well past the google refund window if they decide they don't like it. While it's essentially the same thing, the perception is that you're going above and beyond what other developers are willing to do by extending their refund window.
My personal opinion is that if I'm going to have to pay for something, I want to pay for it when I get it. A trial is good, but I think the delivery needs work.
why would i want to pay for something that Google already provides built in? i wouldn't feel safe knowing that a wifi ssid can be spoofed if this app were using it to unlock (which is the exact reason why Google didn't put that into their Google Play Services). seems like nothing more than a way to separate stupid people from their money.
Lucke said:
why would i want to pay for something that Google already provides built in? i wouldn't feel safe knowing that a wifi ssid can be spoofed if this app were using it to unlock (which is the exact reason why Google didn't put that into their Google Play Services). seems like nothing more than a way to separate stupid people from their money.
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Smart Unlock is already built in to Android 5.0
Lucke said:
why would i want to pay for something that Google already provides built in? i wouldn't feel safe knowing that a wifi ssid can be spoofed if this app were using it to unlock (which is the exact reason why Google didn't put that into their Google Play Services). seems like nothing more than a way to separate stupid people from their money.
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Many people is haveing issues with "Trusted places" in android built in smart lock.
With Smart Unlock we add WIFIs using MAC address wich is not easy to spoof (and is ilegall), specially if you dont now the AP mac that you want to spoof.
Personally I find our app more reliable than native smart lock and, instead of smart lock, this app can also be used with android 4.1+
Thanks for your time and suggestions.
InGeNeTiCs said:
I heard what he said. It's not a matter of me not understanding. I know exactly what is happening here.
I just hate the whole "free, but not really" app model. Trial or not, if you're going to make me pay for it, I want to do it up front, not through some in-app purchase. I'd rather pay for it, then have an available 7-day refund window. This is not so much a personal preference, as a marketing conception. What you're doing is giving someone something for free, then making them pay for it after they decide they like it. What you COULD be doing is making someone pay for something, then offering them a refund well past the google refund window if they decide they don't like it. While it's essentially the same thing, the perception is that you're going above and beyond what other developers are willing to do by extending their refund window.
My personal opinion is that if I'm going to have to pay for something, I want to pay for it when I get it. A trial is good, but I think the delivery needs work.
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We have been thinking about your comment . I do not completelly agree with you, but you are right in some points. We will modify our bussiness model for this app. The app at Google Play will have 1 or 2 trusted devices, always, for free. If you want to add more trusted devices you will have to pay and get the full version for unlimited number of devices. Anyway, we will make a special version for XDA members, unlimited in time and limited with 2 or 3 trusted devices.
To get back on topic - no, it doesn't seem like Smart Unlock works with the Nexus 6. At least not the way it should.
In Lollipop, you see the regular (slide) lock screen before you see the Pattern/PIN/Password lock screen. So you swipe up, then enter your passcode.
With the stock implementation of Smart Lock, when you're connected to a trusted device, you still see the slide lock screen - you just don't get the secure lock screen. This app bypasses both the slide and the secure lock screen when enabled and connected to a trusted environment, meaning if you press the power button to wake the device, you're immediately shown your home screen. Pocket dialing and other similar accidents are almost guaranteed with this app installed.
I think it's because of the relationship between forced encryption and lock screen security on the Nexus 6. Since the N6 is encrypted by default, but no pattern PIN or password is set as the decryption method yet, everything defaults to "default-password". But when you set up a secure lock screen for the first time on the Nexus 6, this becomes your new decrpytion password. Since the Nexus 6 does not give you the option to un-encrypt your data, it will not allow you to switch back to "Slide" as your lock screen method, since that would remove the decrpytion password. It grays out the option entirely, and only a factory reset will bring it back.
Amazingly enough, I figured all of that out without having to make any in-app purchases. If this were a paid app to begin with instead of your current business model, I would have been reluctant to buy it in the first place knowing that you can't re-enable the "Slide" lock screen once you've enabled a secure one, and that ultimately, this probably wouldn't work on my device. So thanks for giving me a 7-day free trial and explicitly stating that in your app's description, which is a fair and reasonable business practice despite what other people and their half-baked, thread-derailing agendas may tell you.
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To get back on topic - no, it doesn't seem like Smart Unlock works with the Nexus 6. At least not the way it should.
In Lollipop, you see the regular (slide) lock screen before you see the Pattern/PIN/Password lock screen. So you swipe up, then enter your passcode.
With the stock implementation of Smart Lock, when you're connected to a trusted device, you still see the slide lock screen - you just don't get the secure lock screen. This app bypasses both the slide and the secure lock screen when enabled and connected to a trusted environment, meaning if you press the power button to wake the device, you're immediately shown your home screen. Pocket dialing and other similar accidents are almost guaranteed with this app installed.
I think it's because of the relationship between forced encryption and lock screen security on the Nexus 6. Since the N6 is encrypted by default, but no pattern PIN or password is set as the decryption method yet, everything defaults to "default-password". But when you set up a secure lock screen for the first time on the Nexus 6, this becomes your new decrpytion password. Since the Nexus 6 does not give you the option to un-encrypt your data, it will not allow you to switch back to "Slide" as your lock screen method, since that would remove the decrpytion password. It grays out the option entirely, and only a factory reset will bring it back.
Amazingly enough, I figured all of that out without having to make any in-app purchases. If this were a paid app to begin with instead of your current business model, I would have been reluctant to buy it in the first place knowing that you can't re-enable the "Slide" lock screen once you've enabled a secure one, and that ultimately, this probably wouldn't work on my device. So thanks for giving me a 7-day free trial and explicitly stating that in your app's description, which is a fair and reasonable business practice despite what other people and their half-baked, thread-derailing agendas may tell you.
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Hi!
We can not keep slide at trusted enviroments due to technical dificulties. We may be able to do it only on rooted devices, but we prefer to keep our app simple.
I was not aware about encryption on nexus 6 after configuring secure lock, but you are right and we can not revert this proccess.
About the bussiness model , we are not sure if in the market will keep the trial as it is now, but for sure we will publish, in a couple of hours, a XDA version for testing purposes with unlimited time and up to 3 trusted devices.
Thanks for your reply, I really appreciate it
Hello, I have created an app thread with a XDA version of the app not limited in time.
If anyone is interested here is the app thread.
Thanks for your testing time!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/app-smart-unlock-xda-version-skip-t2974396/post57526442#post57526442
Will test on nexus 6 and let u know... Google smart unlock does not use wifi. It uses location knowledge which can consume more battery. Anyway if this works, it will be perfect for my needs
Does this app drain the battery huh
Via my NeXus™ 7FHD on XDA Premium app
What a bunch of AssHoles !
cobyman7035 said:
Does this app drain the battery huh
Via my NeXus™ 7FHD on XDA Premium app
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Hello,
This app is battery friendly and you can not almost notice that the app is running. You can try it and let us know your experience. Regards
aalupatti said:
Will test on nexus 6 and let u know... Google smart unlock does not use wifi. It uses location knowledge which can consume more battery. Anyway if this works, it will be perfect for my needs
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Hello, Let us know your experience after your tests!.
Anyway by other forum member with Nexus 6 here is his report : Sway40: "Seems to work on my n6, way better then stock, since trusted places doesn't work. "
Let us know after your tests! thanks.