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is unbranding tilt for att carrier moot?

hi:
so, att will sell me unlimited data plan for 15$ addon to current voice plan..UNLESS im using att smartphone (tilt).
i was gonna get tilt, unlock , unbrand, reflash--whatever..
then i hear that they will always know that i use their smartphone anyway and charge me 30$ / month... as someone said "like charging 8$ for gas cuz i gotta V8"
-------this doesnt make sense cuz i could always buy cheaper plan and plug sim into laptop w/proper card and not get data capable phone--but whatever-------
so, bottom line == is there a workaround to absolutely disguise the tilt?
thanx

amkaos said:
hi:
so, att will sell me unlimited data plan for 15$ addon to current voice plan..UNLESS im using att smartphone (tilt).
i was gonna get tilt, unlock , unbrand, reflash--whatever..
then i hear that they will always know that i use their smartphone anyway and charge me 30$ / month... as someone said "like charging 8$ for gas cuz i gotta V8"
-------this doesnt make sense cuz i could always buy cheaper plan and plug sim into laptop w/proper card and not get data capable phone--but whatever-------
so, bottom line == is there a workaround to absolutely disguise the tilt?
thanx
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Look here, you need to search. You really wasted your first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336429
Giving you this link goes against my better judgment. NEXT TIME SEARCH

KD8DNS said:
Look here, you need to search. You really wasted your first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336429
Giving you this link goes against my better judgment. NEXT TIME SEARCH
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You've gone soft man

Use Media Net Plan with Tilt
amkaos said:
hi:
so, att will sell me unlimited data plan for 15$ addon to current voice plan..UNLESS im using att smartphone (tilt).
i was gonna get tilt, unlock , unbrand, reflash--whatever..
then i hear that they will always know that i use their smartphone anyway and charge me 30$ / month... as someone said "like charging 8$ for gas cuz i gotta V8"
-------this doesnt make sense cuz i could always buy cheaper plan and plug sim into laptop w/proper card and not get data capable phone--but whatever-------
so, bottom line == is there a workaround to absolutely disguise the tilt?
thanx
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Well I have had Cingular/AT&T for almost 3 years now. From start to present had a pda style phone with the same data plan I had when I ordered Cingular, which was Unlimited Media Net 200. Media Net unlimited data and 200 txt messages... My first phone as you see in my sig with cing is the Blue Angel SX-66 and now the AT&T Tilt which I have had for 2 months now.
Said all that to say this.. for almost 3 years.. have only paid $19.99 for that data plan and have used at most 895mb of data transfer. So I don't know how they do there thing or not but I have had no trouble with using my PDA phone with the Media Net Data Plan.
(Now that I said that, there gonna charge me.. )

KD8DNS said:
Look here, you need to search. You really wasted your first post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336429
Giving you this link goes against my better judgment. NEXT TIME SEARCH
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thnx for the fast response.. i did search and i probly wasnt clear in question..
the thread you gave seemed different than my question -- the 15$ (unlimited media net) AND the 30$ plan they offer are Both for unlimited data.. the only difference they told me was smart phones have keyboard and thats what they charge extra for.. the rep exactly did say i could tether on the 15$ quote unlimited w/o probs or issues..
so , im back to orig query..
thanx

police22 said:
Well I have had Cingular/AT&T for almost 3 years now. From start to present had a pda style phone with the same data plan I had when I ordered Cingular, which was Unlimited Media Net 200. Media Net unlimited data and 200 txt messages... My first phone as you see in my sig with cing is the Blue Angel SX-66 and now the AT&T Tilt which I have had for 2 months now.
Said all that to say this.. for almost 3 years.. have only paid $19.99 for that data plan and have used at most 895mb of data transfer. So I don't know how they do there thing or not but I have had no trouble with using my PDA phone with the Media Net Data Plan.
(Now that I said that, there gonna charge me.. )
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the first thing i think of is that you are grandfathered in that particular plan, as i am grandfathered in the cheap voice plan of over 8yrs--which is why i dont wanna leave or change plans..

wait,, are you talking about "connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program"? or is this something else?
the real issue im thinking of :: they know that i use their smartphone and they will charge me extra just because of that fact--not the amount i use.. unlimited data is unlimited data..
--im trying,, but i hafto try harder cuz im stupid
thanx

Yes Talking About Tethering
amkaos said:
wait,, are you talking about "connect your phone using the Internet Sharing program"? or is this something else?
the real issue im thinking of :: they know that i use their smartphone and they will charge me extra just because of that fact--not the amount i use.. unlimited data is unlimited data..
--im trying,, but i hafto try harder cuz im stupid
thanx
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Well let me say this.. I am a truck driver and gone most of 4-5 days a week.. My laptop is connected through my TILT with Internet Sharing 24 hours a day during that week. Hence the reason why I use so much data. Almost a gig/month. I also own my own computer business and do website builds and maintance. So I NEED the internet... Between my co-driver and myself we put alot of miles so we use alot of internet to do research or what have you.. So yes to point out this is connecting my phone with a usb cable and using internet sharing to connect my laptop to the internet. I used Comm Manager on my SX-66 but didn't like the fact that the phone would become disable per say cause the phone was a modem at that point. As with Internet Sharing if you get a phone call the data is put on hold... Nice!!! So I don't miss a call...

police22 said:
Well let me say this.. I am a truck driver and gone most of 4-5 days a week.. My laptop is connected through my TILT with Internet Sharing 24 hours a day during that week. Hence the reason why I use so much data. Almost a gig/month. I also own my own computer business and do website builds and maintance. So I NEED the internet... Between my co-driver and myself we put alot of miles so we use alot of internet to do research or what have you.. So yes to point out this is connecting my phone with a usb cable and using internet sharing to connect my laptop to the internet. I used Comm Manager on my SX-66 but didn't like the fact that the phone would become disable per say cause the phone was a modem at that point. As with Internet Sharing if you get a phone call the data is put on hold... Nice!!! So I don't miss a call...
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so, youre saying that using internet sharing, there is no way to disable phone or make incoming calls just go to voice mail? if data is on hold, i assume that the site would support resume, if it doesnt, you would have to reload and start over w/whatever you are doing?

police22 said:
Well I have had Cingular/AT&T for almost 3 years now. From start to present had a pda style phone with the same data plan I had when I ordered Cingular, which was Unlimited Media Net 200. Media Net unlimited data and 200 txt messages... My first phone as you see in my sig with cing is the Blue Angel SX-66 and now the AT&T Tilt which I have had for 2 months now.
Said all that to say this.. for almost 3 years.. have only paid $19.99 for that data plan and have used at most 895mb of data transfer. So I don't know how they do there thing or not but I have had no trouble with using my PDA phone with the Media Net Data Plan.
(Now that I said that, there gonna charge me.. )
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Been using this for over a year now. Never had an issue. And I have slaved it to my laptop to share the connection before. I think I only average around 100mb per month though.

JimmyMcGee said:
You've gone soft man
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Figured ive give a NOOB a break.

Higher data usage = more likely to get flagged as abusing the service.
My experience with it has been they wont hunt down people who do 'occasional' tethering -- light usage once in a while...
When someone starts to abuse that data connection, the account gets a flag for someone to look into it eventually..
A "Razr v3" as you report to AT&T Using 20 MB of data/month is not gonna get much concern.
A "Razr v3" using over 700MB/month will probably get looked into closely....
Changing your phone VIA your account online will not change the numbers they have reported in their system. If you received a Tilt as an upgrade then swapped back to an older phone, they can see these records. In most cases they wont 'hunt' people down for small/limited abuse.
But, it is against the terms of service -- so they reserve the right to.
Like speeding, it's okay until you get caught.. and if you do, hope you get off with a warning and be more careful next time. Alternatively, just pay for the service if you like it and use it (at least that's my stand on it).

altho i appreciate the replies, y'all seem to not get what im puttin down..they told me that data usage is not an issue--its the type of device (smartphone or not); this was reps words..
but all the replies seem to tell me that if i just call and add unlimited media net or whatever its called, thats good enuf.
if they ask what device ill use, i'll tell 'em that i havent decided or something like that ..
does this make sense?
thanx

amkaos said:
altho i appreciate the replies, y'all seem to not get what im puttin down..they told me that data usage is not an issue--its the type of device (smartphone or not); this was reps words..
but all the replies seem to tell me that if i just call and add unlimited media net or whatever its called, thats good enuf.
if they ask what device ill use, i'll tell 'em that i havent decided or something like that ..
does this make sense?
thanx
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You can just change it all online and add media net or whatever data plan you want with out talking to anyone.. That is what I did when I added Data to my wifes fone.
And yes data does matter.. Your using there bandwidth so the more you use the more your suppose to pay. That is why if you have a PDA/Smartphone then they know it will be using more data and therefore you need a data plan to acomidate the phone. These types of phones have more features and will use more data than a regular phone. That is why they want you to use a higher data plan with more bandwidth.
Just like if you had someone hosting your website. The more bandwidth you use the more you pay. Usually $5 - $10 per gig.. Depending on host.
So like I said, I use a LOT of bandwidth on my tilt.. I use the Trackme for GPS on this site. Listen to streaming radio, use MobiTV. ETC.. so not just my laptop but the phone itself gets used alot too... and been doing this for almost 3 years on the same data plan..
amkaos said:
altho i appreciate the replies, y'all seem to not get what im puttin down..they told me that data usage is not an issue--its the type of device (smartphone or not); this was reps words..
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I bet if you call and ask a diff rep the same question, you will get a different response..

Im tired of reading this thread, I am a regional technician for AT&T, I fully understand "what u puttin down" use a old phone razr, whatever u got. go to a store and have them update your account with the "razr" imei. Then tell the sales rep you want media net unlimited 15.00mo. He will be happy to do it since he gets commision on features. then when you get home put your sim in your tilt and stop complaning.
Have a nice 15.00 a month year.
KD8DNS

KD8DNS said:
Im tired of reading this thread, I am a regional technician for AT&T, I fully understand "what u puttin down" use a old phone razr, whatever u got. go to a store and have them update your account with the "razr" imei. Then tell the sales rep you want media net unlimited 15.00mo. He will be happy to do it since he gets commision on features. then when you get home put your sim in your tilt and stop complaning.
Have a nice 15.00 a month year.
KD8DNS
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thnx... you are either real funny (which i get and how i choose to react) .
my current phone is 8ys old and not data capable..
im gonna try police22 idea. if that doesnt work, i'll do by phone..
thnx

amkaos said:
thnx... you are either real funny (which i get and how i choose to react) .
my current phone is 8ys old and not data capable..
im gonna try police22 idea. if that doesnt work, i'll do by phone..
thnx
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Listen, I told you that im a tech for AT&T, that should be justification. If you do it over the net, it will not update the imei and they will be prone to catching you. UPDATE THE IMEI, even to the non data phone.

KD8DNS said:
Listen, I told you that im a tech for AT&T, that should be justification. If you do it over the net, it will not update the imei and they will be prone to catching you. UPDATE THE IMEI, even to the non data phone.
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ok... i think i get it now.. youre saying that razr aint data phone either and it doesnt matter what kinda phone it is..
sorry im stupid.. this is my first look at updating my phone since i got it 8 yrs ago..but i aint skeered to tinker or look stupid doing so..
i will ask bunch 0 questions till i get it..
thanx for patience..

New microSD WIFI?

Could turn out to be vaporware like Spectec's card, but doesn't every Vogue owner want wifi? I dare to dream.
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20090723/173346/

Not if it means giving up my 8Gb of storage.

I daresay, I do agree with denasqu. At first I was obsessed with wi-fi, but after upgrading the internet to unlimited, I didn't have to worry about data caps. Now a wi-fi chip means compromising 16 gb for myself

Nice. The Spectec one is 7mm too long so it sticks out of the Vogue. This one is only 1mm longer which hopefully allows it to fit inside the phone. I was all about getting one up until a month ago when Verizon added service by my house and now I get full bars but its still something I'd invest in if it fit my phone closed.

the article says the antenna takes up about a third of the card, wonder if it will still have storage or just be wifi reciever.

How much would it cost? It must be pretty $$$. I haven't seen a price anywhere on google. I'd be interested though as I don't yet have the cash for a $30 a month data plan.

I would say buy a new with phone WIFI but the Vogue is the only WM phone that you can have with Verizon without a data plan. BLOODSUCKERS

jadesse said:
I would say buy a new with phone WIFI but the Vogue is the only WM phone that you can have with Verizon without a data plan. BLOODSUCKERS
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That's exactly why I went with a Vogue. Well, that and when I came up for renewal last year the Vogue was free. But I wouldn't have done it if they'd forced a data plan like they do with the other models.

bloodsuckers
Seems like they are running out of blood. Acc. to a vzw rep they are planning to roll out some new phones w/o data requirement or a lock on gps.... yeah right. I would bail to sprint but that seems like a sinking ship now.

jadesse said:
I would say buy a new with phone WIFI but the Vogue is the only WM phone that you can have with Verizon without a data plan. BLOODSUCKERS
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You can use the HTC Titan (Verizon xv6800) and Samsung i760. Both have WIFI and Verizon doesn't require data plan on these. The only WM phones with WIFI that Verizon doesn't require data.

jadesse said:
I would say buy a new with phone WIFI but the Vogue is the only WM phone that you can have with Verizon without a data plan. BLOODSUCKERS
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they don't require a data plan, but little things like aim really kill you. my first month i had a $180 data bill and got the $30/month data plan.

superninjapirate said:
they don't require a data plan, but little things like aim really kill you. my first month i had a $180 data bill and got the $30/month data plan.
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The Vogue is the only WM phone that does not require you to have a data plan. All the others do.

potentially it would be great to have wifi. however most of us have unlimited plans (its a requirement for me) i guess it all boils down to what you want. i hear wifi has less battery drain than actual data transfer.
do you want wifi or storage? the article does sound like there could be room for memory in addition to wifi, but i don't know enough about the microSD slot to know it it can support 2 devices at once. anyone know?

The winner is the usb wifi dongle that dzo said might be possible. Of course someone has to write the driver...
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Goodbye AT&T!!!

So I have been using my lovely N1 with AT&T from the day I got it. Just popped my old SIM card into the N1, added a $15/month unlimited data plan and presto blamo it worked like a charm.
So last night I get a text from AT&T telling me I need to add a "smartphone" plan to my account. How do they know I have a smartphone? Anyway, I ignored it. Just now, I got a message from them telling me my phone plan had been upgraded to the minimum plan...$30/month. I am now paying $15 more a month for absolutely nothing.
Buh-bye AT&T...going carrier shopping. Good thing I am not in contract! That's what using unlocked phones will let you do!

Same issue. I guess they figured out how to find nexus ones on their network.
My thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630660
Anyone know how they do this ? can we hide the phone model from them ?

you imei is a digital trace. once you make one phone call or text from the phone, thats called billable airtime! your imei comes up in their system as what ever phone you are using in this case the nexus one. this is the same way tmobile knows how people are using a iphone

britoso said:
Same issue. I guess they figured out how to find nexus ones on their network.
My thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630660
Anyone know how they do this ? can we hide the phone model from them ?
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no way to hide the phone at all

T-Mobile is waiting with open arms

Frankly, if a lousy dollar a day for data is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a smartphone in the first place.

Old MuckenMire said:
Frankly, if a lousy dollar a day for data is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a smartphone in the first place.
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quoted for truth.

Old MuckenMire said:
Frankly, if a lousy dollar a day for data is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a smartphone in the first place.
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ahfunaki said:
quoted for truth.
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Everyones needs are different. I have wifi at work, home etc and have a premium GPS on my phone (offline maps).
Heres another one, actually an idiom.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
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Old MuckenMire said:
Frankly, if a lousy dollar a day for data is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a smartphone in the first place.
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Amen!
I was just about to dial whine one one and call a Waaaambualnce.
If you don't want to pay, change network. You'll still have to pay so get over it.
Besides this is a Nexus One forum not my carrier is crap forum. Two threads that are the same and keep floating to the top of the forum list like unwanted turds.
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Old MuckenMire said:
Frankly, if a lousy dollar a day for data is too expensive, maybe you shouldn't have a smartphone in the first place.
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Good thing your first post here is a bash.
About paying for data and not paying for data:
For me I don't pay for any data on any phone. Why? No 3G, and I mainly use WiFi.
P.S I totally agree with "A fool and his money are soon parted"
AND to top things off, if someone was saving for a nice and shiny phone, this (and you) have no right to tell them "if you can't waste money, you cant have a new phone" saving for a 530$ phone and paying ONE TIME is far different than paying 30$ a month for data, when it isn't even used or isn't to its full capacity.
jm2c

ScaredyCat said:
Amen!
I was just about to dial whine one one and call a Waaaambualnce.
If you don't want to pay, change network. You'll still have to pay so get over it.
Besides this is a Nexus One forum not my carrier is crap forum. Two threads that are the same and keep floating to the top of the forum list like unwanted turds.
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Totally untrue. You can use this phone with a standard voice with T-Mob, how do I know? I do it.

The real problem is not the price but rather the fact AT&T charges you $30 a month when you can't even use their 3G on your Nexus One.

theomajigga said:
Totally untrue. You can use this phone with a standard voice with T-Mob, how do I know? I do it.
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I did this with my tp2 also. I didn't think it was worth paying $30 a month to use when I have wifi pretty much every where I go. I like the nexus a lot better, so I pay for the data for now. However, I rarely use the data, so it is basically $25 down the drain every month.
It's not a matter of being able to afford it, flametards... It's about perceived value for services received.

rossiscatch said:
I did this with my tp2 also. I didn't think it was worth paying $30 a month to use when I have wifi pretty much every where I go. I like the nexus a lot better, so I pay for the data for now. However, I rarely use the data, so it is basically $25 down the drain every month.
It's not a matter of being able to afford it, flametards... It's about perceived value for services received.
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If you're wasting that $25 that's your own fault. Do what you did before if it worked fine.
The point is AT&T or T-Mobile can charge whatever they like. No amount of complaining in here is going to help that. If you want to have a moan the moan on their forums where they might actually see it. ( http://forums.wireless.att.com/ && http://forums.t-mobile.com/ )
Your complaints about carrier pricing are nothing to do with the Nexus One.
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toooitwo said:
The real problem is not the price but rather the fact AT&T charges you $30 a month when you can't even use their 3G on your Nexus One.
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Bingo. This just happend to me yesterday as well. I guess AT&T figured out how to detect the Nexus. I've been paying the full data price for years, just switched it over 2 weeks ago because of this phone. It is pretty weak since its only on edge...

I definitely wouldnt be down for paying 30 a month for Edge, that sucks. Also, why do people have to go trash every thread like it was a personal attack on them, if you dont like his post then dont read it, this is a discussion forum. You act like it automatically directed you here when you went to xda, no, you clicked the link, so click back, there, youre safe.

JoshHart said:
I definitely wouldnt be down for paying 30 a month for Edge, that sucks. Also, why do people have to go trash every thread like it was a personal attack on them, if you dont like his post then dont read it, this is a discussion forum. You act like it automatically directed you here when you went to xda, no, you clicked the link, so click back, there, youre safe.
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Thanks.
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Your complaints about carrier pricing are nothing to do with the Nexus One.
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It is relevant to this forum since ATT only just discovered they can label the N1(EDGE) a "smartphone" and charge more money. Other phones with web support still get the EDGE pricing.

ScaredyCat said:
Your complaints about carrier pricing are nothing to do with the Nexus One.
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Did you see me complaining? No, you did not. I was simply saying it was possible to not have a data plan at all which was contrary to what you said, incorrectly, earlier. "If you don't want to pay, change network. You'll still have to pay so get over it."
Advice: if you want the thread to die quit posting in it. By the way, AT&T changing their policy on the nexus pertains to the nexus in general. Hence this thread's location in Nexus One General sub-forum.

theomajigga said:
Good thing your first post here is a bash.
About paying for data and not paying for data:
For me I don't pay for any data on any phone. Why? No 3G, and I mainly use WiFi.
P.S I totally agree with "A fool and his money are soon parted"
AND to top things off, if someone was saving for a nice and shiny phone, this (and you) have no right to tell them "if you can't waste money, you cant have a new phone" saving for a 530$ phone and paying ONE TIME is far different than paying 30$ a month for data, when it isn't even used or isn't to its full capacity.
jm2c
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I didn't bash anyone. Just stated my opinion based on the OP.
I hope not everyone here is as overly sensitive as you seem to be.

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quoted for truth.
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Normally i would agree with the 'it's only $15' rationale.
However since these guys can't use 3g, they should get SOME discount from the normal price.

Cheap way in?

So, being an Android nut, I've obviously drooled over moving to the N1 from my G1. However, the pricing is lame (as it always will be more expensive to current customers...) and eventhough I've been a customer for 10 years, I'm not going to get less than their current pricing.
Now the interesting part: Family is ditching their cell carrier, and father wants a G1 after having witnessed my G1s sheer awesomeness thanks to Cyanogen. So, would I run into any weird problems from him getting pricing for new customer on the N1, and me tossing him my G1 and swapping sims? Any difference in data plan? Are there any device id sweeps like what rogers did to identify people without the 911 patch?
Or would this simply be a convenient and brilliant solution for each of us, as we both get what we want?
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No clue, huh? His current service ends in a few days, sure would be nice to have an answer!

yeah that's a legit plan. no problems.
I did this with my G1 when the mytouch came out. But FYI, they will find out that your dad is using a G1 on an N1 plan based on IMEI. But they don't seem to care.

I did a similar thing when the HD2 was released. At the time I had a Touch Pro 2 and opened up a "new line" with TMobile. Once I received the HD2, I swapped the SIMs to use my current number on my new device ... plan just carried over to the new device and no other configuration required.
Then I traded the HD2 for an N1, swapped the cards again with no issues.
I think you will be fine.

Thank you much, figured as much, just better to make sure!

thunerclaps said:
I did a similar thing when the HD2 was released. At the time I had a Touch Pro 2 and opened up a "new line" with TMobile. Once I received the HD2, I swapped the SIMs to use my current number on my new device ... plan just carried over to the new device and no other configuration required.
Then I traded the HD2 for an N1, swapped the cards again with no issues.
I think you will be fine.
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Did you etf the line or something?

Hummeroid said:
So, being an Android nut, I've obviously drooled over moving to the N1 from my G1. However, the pricing is lame (as it always will be more expensive to current customers...) and eventhough I've been a customer for 10 years, I'm not going to get less than their current pricing.
Now the interesting part: Family is ditching their cell carrier, and father wants a G1 after having witnessed my G1s sheer awesomeness thanks to Cyanogen. So, would I run into any weird problems from him getting pricing for new customer on the N1, and me tossing him my G1 and swapping sims? Any difference in data plan? Are there any device id sweeps like what rogers did to identify people without the 911 patch?
Or would this simply be a convenient and brilliant solution for each of us, as we both get what we want?
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Not at all. They don't care as long as they make a sale or money. If you dad is trying to get a new line. Then just use his new customer credit and get and N1, then toss him the G1. Toss your sim and your good to go.
Thats the one good thing i love about GSM, you get buy a phone from someone or online and just pop your sim in and start using it.
My brother wanted an Iphone but still had 1 year left on his contract. My mom was up for a renewal. We went to the store, told them that my brother wants to use my moms renewal to get himself an iphone. They said no problems. To them, she just renewed her line for another 2 years and you guys swapped phones.
The only downside is, Does your dad know or care that your screwing him out of a BADASS phone? LOL

Might want to read the terms of service regarding the N1 my roommate found that for a certain amount of time you cannot swap the sim card otherwise you will be assessed that $350 charge. Google states it must remain on the number that was associated with the phone at the time of purchase.

Haha, yes, dad doesn't like the idea of a virtual keyboard. So he's fine being screwed out of it
As for that contract, happen to have a link? I just (painfully) read the Tmo ones on the order site and didn't see anything, but none of the ones I found were N1 specific

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Might want to read the terms of service regarding the N1 my roommate found that for a certain amount of time you cannot swap the sim card otherwise you will be assessed that $350 charge. Google states it must remain on the number that was associated with the phone at the time of purchase.
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I don't think this is true.
It says that you cannot lower the plan on the line that comes with the n1 or you will be charged that. I definitely did exactly what the OP is trying to do and have had absolutely no problems.

gIMpSTa said:
I don't think this is true.
It says that you cannot lower the plan on the line that comes with the n1 or you will be charged that. I definitely did exactly what the OP is trying to do and have had absolutely no problems.
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yep, found the N1 agreement that was brought up, and its the usual no plan modification agreement thing. Perfect! Certainly not worried about paying tmo's rates.

There is no defference between the N1 data plan, and the G1 data plan. They are both on the same Android Data Plan. Doesn't matter what android device you use. You could use a diff android phone every day and not had any negative effect. It is all legal.

Hey Hummeroid,
I was thinking that you should do this quickly before the mytouch slide comes out. your dad might like it more than the g1. then you'd be screwed. just watching your back buddy

[Q] Pocket Android Non-phone devices ??

Is there such a thing as a pocket size Android device that is not a phone - but has all the other features of a smartphone ?
In other words, a wifi-only Droid/Evo/Thunder/HD2 ?
I was struck by what someone said about the Nook Color, that they did not need the camera or the microphone, because their pocket phone has those things. I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
But I could use something that could scan UPC codes (or QR codes), take quick photos, and could do voice activated tasks that do not need the nice large screen of the Nook.
Thanks !

ADude said:
Is there such a thing as a pocket size Android device that is not a phone - but has all the other features of a smartphone ?
In other words, a wifi-only Droid/Evo/Thunder/HD2 ?
I was struck by what someone said about the Nook Color, that they did not need the camera or the microphone, because their pocket phone has those things. I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
But I could use something that could scan UPC codes (or QR codes), take quick photos, and could do voice activated tasks that do not need the nice large screen of the Nook.
Thanks !
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Maybe someone else can back me (or correct me) up on this as I'm just taking an educated guess here, but any deactivated phone would do this. If you're only looking for a wifi version, that is. You might wanna look into it more, but picking up an old Droid (probably pretty cheap) would work. You would have access to the market via wifi and all that.

yep get used droid, you can use its camera, gps, download textfree/pinger and get text messaging
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Maybe someone else can back me (or correct me) up on this as I'm just taking an educated guess here, but any deactivated phone would do this. If you're only looking for a wifi version, that is. You might wanna look into it more, but picking up an old Droid (probably pretty cheap) would work. You would have access to the market via wifi and all that.
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ADude said:
Is there such a thing as a pocket size Android device that is not a phone - but has all the other features of a smartphone ?
In other words, a wifi-only Droid/Evo/Thunder/HD2 ?
I was struck by what someone said about the Nook Color, that they did not need the camera or the microphone, because their pocket phone has those things. I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
But I could use something that could scan UPC codes (or QR codes), take quick photos, and could do voice activated tasks that do not need the nice large screen of the Nook.
Thanks !
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If you want something radical try, www alwaysinnovating.com/products/minibook.htm
There is also the samsung galaxy pmps, www linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Samsung-Galaxy-Player-4-and-5/
Also look at Archos, but their smaller units tend to be resistive touch screens so check the descriptions well.
And finally a google search for 'android pmp camera' should turn up a couple hits.
-Zhin

Check out the archos 43 here
http://www.amazon.com/Archos-43-Internet-Tablet-Black/dp/B0042RRTOC
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ADude said:
I do not have a smartphone, because I do not want a big monthly data bill.
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This is my thinking on the matter, too and is the reason why I still use a cheap Chinese Windows Mobile 2G clone phone through T-mobile. However, I've noticed that Phone companies are starting to roll out small data plans for about $10.00 a month. That might be enough to get me to finally buy a smart phone, given that I'd mostly use WiFi for data.
Once tethering plans become affordable I'll probably go with that, but I'm talking $15.00 a month on top for data & tethering, and who knows when (or if) prices will ever reach that level (especially with AT&T swallowing up T-Mobile... yaaay, go duopoly!)

Samsung is making one galaxy player I think its going to be called
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Arbelzapf said:
Cowon D3
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Too bad reviews say it is terrible
I would say simply wait for the Samsung Galaxy Player to actually be released, hopefully this spring.

JLCollier2005 said:
Maybe someone else can back me (or correct me) up on this as I'm just taking an educated guess here, but any deactivated phone would do this. If you're only looking for a wifi version, that is. You might wanna look into it more, but picking up an old Droid (probably pretty cheap) would work. You would have access to the market via wifi and all that.
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I am now looking into this, there are lots of Droids on ebay.
I assume that "BAD ESN" only matters if you are going to use it as a cell phone, and for Wifi use, it would not matter ?
Also, I noticed in the completed listings that some with cracked screens sold for just as much as ones without flaws. Why is this ? Is there some easy way to get the screen fixed ? (Just curious on this one.)