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Hey guys. I'm really interested in this phone, but I have questions.

1. My contract expires in May. What are the odds by then the phone isn't crippled?
2. Even crippled, is the phone worth having? Are there better phones out there?
3. If I buy this phone through AT&T on an existing plan, how much trouble am I in if I flash it?
4. Since I am going to flash it, what are some good programs for it? Does the Slingbox's Slingplayer work well with it? What about games and stuff. Movie-viewing? Music playing? There's a billion conflicting reports. I'm planning on getting this phone, so I want to do it right.
5. Programs like AIM, do they really use texts and not Wifi, or is that only if you use the built-in texting version of AIM?
I have more but thats plenty for now. Thank you to anyone who opens this!

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Hey guys. I'm really interested in this phone, but I have questions.
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1. My contract expires in May. What are the odds by then the phone isn't crippled?
2. Even crippled, is the phone worth having? Are there better phones out there?
3. If I buy this phone through AT&T on an existing plan, how much trouble am I in if I flash it?
4. Since I am going to flash it, what are some good programs for it? Does the Slingbox's Slingplayer work well with it? What about games and stuff. Movie-viewing? Music playing? There's a billion conflicting reports. I'm planning on getting this phone, so I want to do it right.
5. Programs like AIM, do they really use texts and not Wifi, or is that only if you use the built-in texting version of AIM?
I have more but thats plenty for now. Thank you to anyone who opens this!
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1. 50/50 as always
2. but of course
3. if you return it with a rom flashed on there the warranty is void (I think)
4. not sure about slingbox, I think it should work but don't have it. I don't think anyone has ever said movies and music don't work on the phone, so I don't know about these conflicting reports.
5. depends on the IM client you use.
All these things can be searched if you need more info.

thehyecircus said:
1. My contract expires in May. What are the odds by then the phone isn't crippled?
2. Even crippled, is the phone worth having? Are there better phones out there?
3. If I buy this phone through AT&T on an existing plan, how much trouble am I in if I flash it?
4. Since I am going to flash it, what are some good programs for it? Does the Slingbox's Slingplayer work well with it? What about games and stuff. Movie-viewing? Music playing? There's a billion conflicting reports. I'm planning on getting this phone, so I want to do it right.
5. Programs like AIM, do they really use texts and not Wifi, or is that only if you use the built-in texting version of AIM?
I have more but thats plenty for now. Thank you to anyone who opens this!
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1. I'd say 99% its not crippled.
2. No, not in the Windows department anyways. You can get a Nokia N96 sans Windows or an HTC X7501 but its huge cuz of its 5" screen.
3. No trouble.
4. Everything seems to run fine on mine.
5. If you get the hacked AIM 2.0, no charges for texts. Otherwise, you will be charged.

So you guys are giving me pretty good reviews on this phone. Where's a good place to look for software?
Also, when I say "crippled" I am talking about the graphics driver not being on it. And when I talk about things like movies, I mean I've heard they run slowly and look bad because of the graphics driver not being used.
Anything else you guys can tell me? I mean I want to be sold on this phone... I want backup on it hahaha.
For example, is it really 30 dollars a month for unlimited data access? Cause I kinda want to use Google Map's + GPS, but not pay or be near a hotspot. How is it with detecting hotspots?

ok don't listen to the driver bull**** man. The videos play fine. I watch movies on my phone with no problem. I stream my movies from my home pc through orb.com and the quality is perfect. I never get that lip-sync effect. Seriously people need to stop *****ing about video drivers already. Like I previosly stated unless you expect to watch live video feeds from Mars then you can complain. Most of the video lag issues can be soloved by going into the settings and tweaking them. (TCPMP player settings) I personally never had to do that. This phone is the best phone I've ever had and I've been in the phone game for a minute. As for your other question. If you want to find the most up to date software, this is the place. THey even have the files so you can download them directly on your omputer withougt having to go through a millions sites. Hope this helps.

How is your laptop with detecting hotspots? Same thing for the TILT. You can install a program called WiFiFoFum on your TILT when you get it. It sniffs out hotspots and tells your if they are secure or not. You can pay 19.99 unlimited internet on your phone. Add the feature through the website when you log into your acct. When you get the phone tell them YOU DO NOT WANT A DATA PLAN! I stress this because reps at the store will add unneccesary things you may not need. Like telenav promotion, mobitv promotion, push to talk promotion, etc. Make sure they show you a detail of whats on your account so they don't jerk you over. I personally never done it but working at a store I've seen everyone do it just to get that extra commission. You will love the phone I promise.

If your primary usage for a phone is as a multimedia device, then get an iPhone. The Tilt is absolute **** at playing movies and there is no miracle "fix" in sight.
The one benefit to owning an HTC product is this board. Aside from a handful of apologists who insist that their Kaisers/Tilts are perfect in every way, there are a ton of knowledgeable, helpful people who do some really cool stuff.

greenbrd said:
If your primary usage for a phone is as a multimedia device, then get an iPhone. The Tilt is absolute **** at playing movies and there is no miracle "fix" in sight.
The one benefit to owning an HTC product is this board. Aside from a handful of apologists who insist that their Kaisers/Tilts are perfect in every way, there are a ton of knowledgeable, helpful people who do some really cool stuff.
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You can't fool me sir. I have seen the iPhone. I've used the iPhone. It's not good. It's a great novelty item, but for everyday use I can't imagine it being anything serviceable. I didn't have to go beyond typing on both to realize the iPhone and I would never get along. Plus I like surfing the real internet.
ANYWAY:
1. So I plan on flashing the ROM immediately. If something bad happens to the phone (Someone on this board is complaining about his battery and said it was the third time he had to return it), what do I do to cover this fact up? How do I protect my 250 investment?
2. I don't plan on adding those insane plans, and I am definitely not using TelNav or Push to Talk. 20 dollars unlimited internet sounds about 120 better than what I thought it was (30 dollars a month) and I think I might have to take them up on that eventually.
So this is the place to be, thats good I found it then. What are some other programs I can load on this phone? I mean I want it pimped out.
A. Micro-HDSD card for added room - necessary? (Those Micro Cards are so tiny. I have a 2 Gig Micro-SD Card atm.)
B. If I put a widescreen movie on the phone, would it display 16:9? What programs do I use to play movies and media and stuff?
C. How good is Opera Mobile? Worth going from the free Opera Mini up to it? (Unless there is... cough... another way.)
D. Touch screen on this phone - multi touch? Is it awesome? Is the screen good for watching stuff and all?
E. You use outlook for mail on this thing? Is it better to just use GMail? Is there a program that will notify you of mail on the front screen, like it does with outlook? That front screen notification area is awesome by the way.
F. Speaker on the phone - how is it? It's only mono? Is it worth investing in bluetooth headphones/stereo headset?
Thats enough for right now. I have a lot of questions and I am really glad I found this site - I've been in love with this phone for months and I'm getting close to my contract expiring. AND it just dropped in price by 50 bucks, online at least.

1. You are taking your chances - you cannot 'cover this fact up'. Read the battery threads - some have problems others do not - you will find out what yours does and work with it.
2. while you do NOT want a tethering plan you DO want the unlimited data plan.
3. What do you use to play GAMES? Honestly man - games play when you load them and run them.
4. You will have IE on your phone - if that is not good enough for you then load free opera and if you don't like it better then unload it.
5. is touch screen awesome - do you want a cheerleading section? It works and works well - yes you can actually look at things on it.
6. outlook works well and so does your internet mail - they are not mutually exclusive.
7. Speaker phone - is it MONO? Come on MAN!!! There is ONE SPEAKER and it is a tweater 3/8's of an inch big - no you get full surround sound on it. SHEESH!
8. Honestly - you need sto start reading - there is a wealth of information here and you need to start doing some work yourself.
Bill
thehyecircus said:
1. So I plan on flashing the ROM immediately. If something bad happens to the phone (Someone on this board is complaining about his battery and said it was the third time he had to return it), what do I do to cover this fact up? How do I protect my 250 investment?
2. I don't plan on adding those insane plans, and I am definitely not using TelNav or Push to Talk. 20 dollars unlimited internet sounds about 120 better than what I thought it was (30 dollars a month) and I think I might have to take them up on that eventually.
So this is the place to be, thats good I found it then. What are some other programs I can load on this phone? I mean I want it pimped out.
A. Micro-HDSD card for added room - necessary? (Those Micro Cards are so tiny. I have a 2 Gig Micro-SD Card atm.)
B. If I put a widescreen movie on the phone, would it display 16:9? What programs do I use to play movies and media and stuff?
C. How good is Opera Mobile? Worth going from the free Opera Mini up to it? (Unless there is... cough... another way.)
D. Touch screen on this phone - multi touch? Is it awesome? Is the screen good for watching stuff and all?
E. You use outlook for mail on this thing? Is it better to just use GMail? Is there a program that will notify you of mail on the front screen, like it does with outlook? That front screen notification area is awesome by the way.
F. Speaker on the phone - how is it? It's only mono? Is it worth investing in bluetooth headphones/stereo headset?
Thats enough for right now. I have a lot of questions and I am really glad I found this site - I've been in love with this phone for months and I'm getting close to my contract expiring. AND it just dropped in price by 50 bucks, online at least.
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thehyecircus said:
1. My contract expires in May.
3. If I buy this phone through AT&T on an existing plan,
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I think they are have a sale and you can get one for $99 dollars , my buddy just ordered his on Monday. a brand new one that is..he said he beat on them a bit and gave him the deal,
it should be arriving today.
By the way do i get bonus points for converting a Palm user?
I let him test drive my spare 8525....

thehyecircus said:
You can't fool me sir. I have seen the iPhone. I've used the iPhone. It's not good. It's a great novelty item, but for everyday use I can't imagine it being anything serviceable. I didn't have to go beyond typing on both to realize the iPhone and I would never get along. Plus I like surfing the real internet.
ANYWAY:
1. So I plan on flashing the ROM immediately. If something bad happens to the phone (Someone on this board is complaining about his battery and said it was the third time he had to return it), what do I do to cover this fact up? How do I protect my 250 investment?
2. I don't plan on adding those insane plans, and I am definitely not using TelNav or Push to Talk. 20 dollars unlimited internet sounds about 120 better than what I thought it was (30 dollars a month) and I think I might have to take them up on that eventually.
So this is the place to be, thats good I found it then. What are some other programs I can load on this phone? I mean I want it pimped out.
A. Micro-HDSD card for added room - necessary? (Those Micro Cards are so tiny. I have a 2 Gig Micro-SD Card atm.)
B. If I put a widescreen movie on the phone, would it display 16:9? What programs do I use to play movies and media and stuff?
C. How good is Opera Mobile? Worth going from the free Opera Mini up to it? (Unless there is... cough... another way.)
D. Touch screen on this phone - multi touch? Is it awesome? Is the screen good for watching stuff and all?
E. You use outlook for mail on this thing? Is it better to just use GMail? Is there a program that will notify you of mail on the front screen, like it does with outlook? That front screen notification area is awesome by the way.
F. Speaker on the phone - how is it? It's only mono? Is it worth investing in bluetooth headphones/stereo headset?
Thats enough for right now. I have a lot of questions and I am really glad I found this site - I've been in love with this phone for months and I'm getting close to my contract expiring. AND it just dropped in price by 50 bucks, online at least.
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I don't understand all the complaints. My Tilt plays movies just fine
1. I know there's an unbricker but Im not sure if it always works.
A. yes
B. yes. use TCPMP 0.81
C. Opera Mini > Opera Mobile
D. no multi-touch but the screen is good, hard to scratch, and easy to use
E. I use Pocket Outlook to manage two email accounts and yes there are onscreen notifications
F. Speaker is mono, yes. i use wired headphones, I dont trust BlueTooth stuff to work right ever on anything.

Hidavi you seem to love your phone just as much as I do. First off to the previous poster you are a jackass if you think the Iphone is a good phone.
Tilt has 3g internet, the REVOLUTIONARY iPHONE is running on EDGE..
Who wants to type an email by touching the screen. Most of us are ANAL when it comes to someone touching our screen.
iPhone just added EXCHANGE EMAIL support.
What company in their right mind would choose to give their employees Iphones over Blackberries... ummmm hmmmm NONE!
unless they come out with an Iphone that can read my thoughts and transcribe them in an email I won't get one.
Imagine how long it will take to write an email for a dude like me with Man hands. Enough Said

I'd like some more responses, if you guys don't mind.

I do love my phone. It owns the **** out of IPhones. My phone gets more attention then those do surprisingly. people like the tiltness and the chrome and stuff.

Is the Tilt known for being prone to breaking or something similar? Or is it a sturdy device? I plan on modding it on day 1, and I'd like some assurance it's not going to turn into a 300 dollar paperweight.

not really i've been modding it since day one...nothing wrong...dropped a few times and once on hard times...still nothing...no scratches or anything not sqeaking or sounds still really sturdy...but make sure when u mod read ALL the wiki's before doing so

Oh when I mod this thing, I will be glued to this board mashing the F5 key.
I mean I'm just going to put the Kaiser bios on it, and then put on Quake II and watch Lord of the Rings on it. Nothing special.
What should I turn the PTT button into?

By the way, as far as buying one of these goes for an existing plan - how do I do that the cheapest way possible? 300 dollars is not too appealing.

What is new in the world of the Kaiser?!

The money I was going to spend on the Tilt went to my beautiful new 22 inch LG Monitor (W2252TQ - 270 at Best Buy - best monitor out there.)
So I looked up some news on it the other day, since buying the phone is in my sights again, and I saw that all kinds of things have come out for it. So what do I have to know? What about the battery? Any new killer aps? Slingbox good with it? What about a wireless hard drive I have, think I could get my Tilt to access it? What about my wireless printer, hahaha ok that one won't happen.
And wireless internet is 20 dollars a month? Is it worth it? Can i get it cheaper somehow?

WinMo 6.1 Official with Graphic improvements (maybe drivers), this month..
Some great Cooked ROM's
Some beautyful software...
fixes...
Android..
... Android...
xD
things like that ..
not so much ...
grrr 22 inch sounds great for xbox360 xD!

Cheapest internet is 15 dollars w/o text package. That LG is NOT the best monitor out there benq fp241 ftw

I'd like to know where you guys get $15 and $20 Internet plans?
As far as I know, here in Chicago you have 2 choices:
$30 unlimited data
$50 unlimited data with tethering (or maybe it's $40).
I see in your sig you have AT&T too... do prices differ that much state to state?

bengalih said:
I'd like to know where you guys get $15 and $20 Internet plans?
As far as I know, here in Chicago you have 2 choices:
$30 unlimited data
$50 unlimited data with tethering (or maybe it's $40).
I see in your sig you have AT&T too... do prices differ that much state to state?
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That's how much they're here as well

bengalih said:
I'd like to know where you guys get $15 and $20 Internet plans?
As far as I know, here in Chicago you have 2 choices:
$30 unlimited data
$50 unlimited data with tethering (or maybe it's $40).
I see in your sig you have AT&T too... do prices differ that much state to state?
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You put your sim card in a non pda phone. Call AT&T, tell them you sold the tilt and sign up for the unlimited MediaNet @ 15.00. Put your sim back in the tilt.
your done.
look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388367
See here for a word of caution: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=391980

the prices are not different from state to state; its just that some people are getting data plans theyre not supposed to be getting. those $15 and $20 plans are for non-smartphone's (ie, those crappy flip samsungs, etc). many ppl use these plans on the tilt and other smart phones with no probs, but rumor has it that at&t does check and will charge you per kb of data that u used....its a risk, up to you if u wanna take it

The person referring to the $15 plan is on a Media Net unlimited plan.
That plan is meant for customers who have REGULAR phones such as the LG Shine or something.
The PDA Plans are $30 for unlimited.
There have been things all around the net that if at&t switches your plan back to what it was supposed to be, you get a rediculously high bill. But they may just be rumors.
Nonetheless it's kind of stealing b/c you're paying for the wrong plan.
The reason they charge more money for PDA data plans is because PDA's are MUCH more data intensive.
Anyway, my brother owns a couple Cell phone stores, and I've worked there for 5 years, so I know what I'm talking about.
The only way for you to have that $15 plan still is if
a) you got it more than a few months ago.
b) the person you bought your phone from stuck the IMEI of a regular phone onto your account as oppossed to your true PDA's IMEI. Doing that would cause the data plans that come up on the feature page during activation to be the $15 media net unlimited plan.
They changed their system so that the IMEI used for activation is what the features shown are based off of for the dealer's activation system.
c) do what the above poster mentioned by sticking your sim in a different phone claiming you are using that one now instead of your PDA.

thehyecircus said:
The money I was going to spend on the Tilt went to my beautiful new 22 inch LG Monitor (W2252TQ - 270 at Best Buy - best monitor out there.)
So I looked up some news on it the other day, since buying the phone is in my sights again, and I saw that all kinds of things have come out for it. So what do I have to know? What about the battery? Any new killer aps? Slingbox good with it? What about a wireless hard drive I have, think I could get my Tilt to access it? What about my wireless printer, hahaha ok that one won't happen.
And wireless internet is 20 dollars a month? Is it worth it? Can i get it cheaper somehow?
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000190020+1309822582&name=22"
should have checked newegg on that monitor

omaralt said:
the prices are not different from state to state; its just that some people are getting data plans theyre not supposed to be getting. those $15 and $20 plans are for non-smartphone's (ie, those crappy flip samsungs, etc). many ppl use these plans on the tilt and other smart phones with no probs, but rumor has it that at&t does check and will charge you per kb of data that u used....its a risk, up to you if u wanna take it
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I use multiple phones if they told me I had to purchase a new plan just because I own a Tilt I would cancel my contract unlock my phone and go to Tmobile and get it for $5.99.

ekw said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000190020+1309822582&name=22"
should have checked newegg on that monitor
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Newegg's best reviewed LCD monitor has major defective problems. And most LCD monitors have terrible glare and fake refresh rates, fake 2 m/s, and a fake contrast ratio. It's all on a forum somewhere, I can get it if you want, but LG is definitely better. Plus it's Newegg review is pretty good.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005097
ANYWAY, what about the other stuff in my original post? How are the roms coming? I was going to hold off on getting this because it uses Windows, but can we actually have Android on it? What are some good apps?

jeffla i answered your question through PM. feel free to contact me again if you are confused. I was assisted greatly with this issue and I should pass on what I know and learned so far.

iv used the tilt for about 1 week now... im not too impressed by it...
except the GPS is awesome. i got TomTom with it.
other than that... it seems alright. not as user friendly as many of the other phones.. u have to slide the keyboard just to type something, kind of annoying.
the touch screen needs a stylus most of the times.. thats something i dont really like too. u could use your fingers or nail but still.
overall not really impressed with the WM6.1 ppc edition... i like WM6 smartphone edition better. also battery life is kinda ****ty on this phone.
its a phone for gadget lover types... overall good value for money.

LOL I've had mine since october. You don't have to slide the keyboard out all the time and my stylus hardly gets uses. I can even use the onscreen keyboard sometimes with just my finger tip. Seriously, how can you be disapointed by having to use the keyboard? Didn't you even see the phone before you bought it.

tseten said:
iv used the tilt for about 1 week now... im not too impressed by it...
except the GPS is awesome. i got TomTom with it.
other than that... it seems alright. not as user friendly as many of the other phones.. u have to slide the keyboard just to type something, kind of annoying.
the touch screen needs a stylus most of the times.. thats something i dont really like too. u could use your fingers or nail but still.
overall not really impressed with the WM6.1 ppc edition... i like WM6 smartphone edition better. also battery life is kinda ****ty on this phone.
its a phone for gadget lover types... overall good value for money.
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This all are just a matter of customization.
I am using resco keyboard and I can easilly type with my fingers.
Also using UltimateLaunch witch is really finger-friendlly. And there are also hardware keys - u can install quick menu, amd u can make almost everything using the keys.
As I said, its all about your customization.

tseten said:
iv used the tilt for about 1 week now... im not too impressed by it...
except the GPS is awesome. i got TomTom with it.
other than that... it seems alright. not as user friendly as many of the other phones.. u have to slide the keyboard just to type something, kind of annoying.
the touch screen needs a stylus most of the times.. thats something i dont really like too. u could use your fingers or nail but still.
overall not really impressed with the WM6.1 ppc edition... i like WM6 smartphone edition better. also battery life is kinda ****ty on this phone.
its a phone for gadget lover types... overall good value for money.
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As im sitting in court, reading these posts, im just waiting for somone to say the six letter word (iphone)
1. of course the screen needs a stylus, its a resistive display, you can however adjust the threshold to make it more finger frendly.
2. it is user frendly (if you know what your doing)
3. dont base 6.1 these are cooked roms and there are a bunch to choose from, if you dont like the user friendliness the go with a no frills version.
4. i had a crapple junkphone and now that i have a tilt i cant imagine how i even got by with a poopyphone, sorry iphone
5. this phone has a slide out keyboard, were???
6. scratch #5 i was kidding, of course you have to slide out the keyborad to type, unless you know of a way to type on it without sliding it out??
Look in all seriousness the Full duplex pocket pc communication device, we call the kaiser, is a great phone, a power house i tell you, you cant really appreciate it unless you have it. and of course everybody can find something wrong with anything they own, like my brand new (well slightly used) 2007 slk 55 amg mercedes benz, a small scratch on the wheel. And by the way the benq monitor is better than the lg.
So buy the damn phone you will be happy with it.

I was very curious about it's ability to talk to an Iomega "Wireless Hard Drive" that I have. There is software that you install on the computer and it can detect the drive over Wifi. Do you think the phone can do such a thing? Same for my printer?
Anyone here use Slingbox with it? How are the new homebrew roms? Any in particular I should know about?
Is the battery life REALLY that bad?

well i like the keyboard, i just dont like sliding it.
i'd prefer the tmobile Dash , blackbeerry, moto Q, type where the keyboard is right there.
the thing with the sliding keyboard deal is, once u slide, the screen changes to landscape mode, and the resolution or something makes everything a bit unclear to read....
also another thing with this phone is, when i plug in my phone to the computer usb , the screen is always on, it doesnt turn off at all. iv changed the settings to turn off, and it doesnt.
also the keyboard mapping is a little messed up... when i select @, it gives me ! etc etc... as far as i understand this seems to be a common problem with the original dash... its amazing how HTC, and ATT released a phone with incorrect keyboard mappings.
i dont know if it is Dutty's 6.1 rom or is it affecting every ROM... these minor software issues are annoying... how could anyone not fix them before releasing them to the public. another bug i found is when u select the Missed Calls section and then u hit the End Call button, the whole screen gets messed up and u can only fix it by hard reboot.

thehyecircus said:
I was very curious about it's ability to talk to an Iomega "Wireless Hard Drive" that I have. There is software that you install on the computer and it can detect the drive over Wifi. Do you think the phone can do such a thing? Same for my printer?
Anyone here use Slingbox with it? How are the new homebrew roms? Any in particular I should know about?
Is the battery life REALLY that bad?
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1. (wireless hard drive) if it is bluetooth yes, you have a bluetooth explorer folder wich allows you to use it as a virtual drive. I have a old pc with a 80gig hd in it i use exclusive for this. All you need is a bluetooth dongle.
2. (slingbox) tried it on edge (sucks) if you use it on 3g (great)
3. (wifi printing) I bluetooth docs to my main pc then print. I.E. excell doc's and word doc's. Thats a good question i can pair to my wifi printer but wouldnt have a clue on how to print. I would really like to be able, but never really experemented with it. I can controll my pc from my tilt so in effect i can bluetooth docs to my main pc then my remote from my tilt print from my main pc. So i really dont have to touch my main pc. (if you catch my drift).
4. (battery life) I am a heavy user, and i mean heavy. Usually i get 2 1/2 days without having to charge.
5. (homebrew rom's) ive flashed a couple times. but im satisfied with my att stock munus bloatware rom(works good for me).

Well both the printer and the hard drive are over Wifi. Does Windows Mobile work well with Windows programs? I would just have to move the .exe's (and drivers for the printer) onto the phone, I guess. It would really save space on the SD Cards.

Nexus one stolen. Should I buy another?

So.... my car got stolen (from a underground "secure" parking spot too), and my Nexus one was in the car. And no we didn't find the guys who took it, but we did recover the car relatively in tack.
now the question. I loved my rooted Nexus One. Had lots of fun with it and it did everything I needed. But it was damn expensive as I bought it for AT&T.
The Samsung Captivate came out for AT&T.
Do I fork over the funds for a nexus one? $500 +
Or do I pick up a samsung Captivate ~$200...
or wait for some other option ....
dreamflux

If you do a ton of things that can only be done when rooted, a N1 will probably be your best option. I'd also wait a bit and see some of the reviews that the Captivate gets from different news sites.

Shouldn't your insurance cover that?

No matter what phone you get, it will never compare to the quick experience of the N1.
Sure, you might get a phone with a better screen, slightly better proc, or whatever, but
no matter what phone you buy, I don't think there will be anything QUITE like owning the
officially sanctioned 'google phone'. I think you'll miss always having the latest version of
android running at all times.

@GldRush98 no.... AT&T doesn't offer insurance on the google phone, and the policy of the car didn't cover personal items in the car....=/
@hollywooder - yah.... You've definitely described my sentiments.... that and I have many many peripherals.... but the idea of realizing that my phone would have effectively cost me over a $1000 is a bit tough to swallow.

If I were you, I would probably go with Captivate.
I'd be missing the trackball and flash though.

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@GldRush98 no.... AT&T doesn't offer insurance on the google phone, and the policy of the car didn't cover personal items in the car....=/
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AT&T doesn't? Man, that sucks. T-Mobile insures the Nexus One!

On top of everything else, I'd seriously think about purchasing WaveSecure for your next phone whether it be an Android, iPhone, or Blackberry. Well worth it for the ability to do realtime tracking of where your phone is. Hell, you could have probably found the guys still in your stolen car if you had it. Just me .02

@chesh420 I do have wave secure... that was part of the reason why I was able to find the car...was able to track it to the last known area before the battery died. Found our car a few blocks away. but alas the phone was long gone, either they got rid of it some how, or haven't turned it back on yet, or my nexus might have recieved some other horrible fate.
but yes.... A great endorsement to WaveSecure. .
But yes, Wave Secure was great

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@chesh420 I do have wave secure... that was part of the reason why I was able to find the car...was able to track it to the last known area before the battery died. Found our car a few blocks away. but alas the phone was long gone, either they got rid of it some how, or haven't turned it back on yet, or my nexus might have recieved some other horrible fate.
but yes.... A great endorsement to WaveSecure. .
But yes, Wave Secure was great
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Keep watching, the bozos might turn it back on after they figure out what a MicroUSB is. Or they'll sell it to Bob's Pawn....
Note to self... Write down IMEI.

That's a bummer...hopefully it will turn back up soon! At least there's a chance with WaveSecure.

dreamflux said:
Do I fork over the funds for a nexus one? $500 +
Or do I pick up a samsung Captivate ~$200...
or wait for some other option ....
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Get the Dell Streak... its a monster and a game changer for those who are man enough to handle it

dreamflux said:
@GldRush98 no.... AT&T doesn't offer insurance on the google phone, and the policy of the car didn't cover personal items in the car....=/
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Damn, that sucks. Insurance companies do whatever they can to get out of paying

but what if the low life finds a way to remove wavesecure? isnt there a way to stop them from deleting apps like wavesecure or mobile defense so we are still able to track the phone down?

i'd get a g1 and wait for the next great thing from htc and google. i've said it in a few different threads now, the 3g issues and no physical keyboard are the reasons.
given, i won't buy anything on contract.
when you used wavesecure to find your car, can you remote wipe before locating, and the app still gives you a location ? did you try instamapper and decide on wavesecure instead ?

I'm recommending the Captivate to my friends and family... but to a guy like you and me... I can't recommend the Samsung until a little more testing surfaces. Sure it has a little better specs but would you be happy using their crappy software forever if you are unable to root and flash custom roms?
I used to cook with Da_G back when we had Samsung Blackjacks and the Samsung stuff was pretty tight lipped compared to HTC. You'd think that company's would figure out that being able to mod phones increases sales. They should know that the bottle neck is the carriers contracts and we upgrade asap regardless.
Open the phone up, let us tinker and make it everything we can dream of, which will bring in more customers.
I know lots of the Samsungs can be flashed, which hopefully helps with unlocking the potential of the Captivate. Maybe pick you up a cheap $20 pre-paid to use until some more info comes out.

Make sure you call your carrier and get the IMEI banned, they will not be able to use the phone anywhere

@player911 - yah.... that's the way i'm feeling.... I think that ultimately spending another $500 for an N1 for another 5-6 months seems a bit pricey for my modding happiness. I'll hang in there and head back to my little nokia n95 brick for a while.... and see what I can find on craig's list for a used one for cheap. But yah.... I mirror your sentiments on the samsung
@xXJay_RXx I think Wave secure had an additional install that would notify if it was removed or something like that.... I can't seem to remember....
@ohgood - You can remote lock on wave secure with a message that pops up to whoever turns it on. It can say "return for a reward", or in my case " contact the police RE: case #". I left it on lock for a while and the sent the notification to remote wipe after we found the car and wrote off the nexus one.
@p00r -can't remember to imei #

If it were me, I would not buy it again and wait out for something else. My reason is because the N1 is a really expensive phone off contract and it just doesn't seem like a good deal as it was 6 months ago. There are and probably will be better options for the same price.
If the price were lower, I would go for it. But it doesn't seem like you can find a new one without forking over full price.

yah.... especially since now my only choices are ebay and criags list..... =/ Long Live N1

Random Q: Cheapest Android Device for Google Voice etc

Random question I know, but thought this would be a great place to ask.
I'm looking for a cheap Android device (doesn't necessarily have to be a phone) for my girlfriend that CAN access Google Apps, specifically Google Voice. This is going to be a wifi-only device, so no carrier plans etc. Just Google Voice/Email etc via Wifi.
I've looked on Amazon and they have some Archos devices and other funky tablets on there (ie this one: http://www.amazon.com/Tablet-Internet-Player-Google-Android/dp/B003V0I75Q ) but they almost assuredly don't have access to Google Apps. It's also higher than I'm willing to pay... Ideally a sub-$100 Android device. (This will basically be a throw-away device so I can message my girlfriend through Google Voice since she doesn't have any phone at all.)
I also searched eBay but phones actually cost quite a bit there. I looked into "bad esn" ones too, but there aren't many.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.

MyTouch 3g got 2.2 upgrade today.

http://www.zecozi.com/index.php/bro...ffordable/BE0ED394-B857-E44C-48297181563BD20A
From what I've read, includes GApps access

evilkorn said:
MyTouch 3g got 2.2 upgrade today.
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Any tips on getting an inexpensive one?

A used G1 off of craigslist or ebay could work. You might be able to find one between $75-$100.

MaximReapage said:
http://www.zecozi.com/index.php/bro...ffordable/BE0ED394-B857-E44C-48297181563BD20A
From what I've read, includes GApps access
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I have one and can confirm the market works and google voice both work. Check cherrypad. Com/support

NoDataFound said:
I have one and can confirm the market works and google voice both work. Check cherrypad. Com/support
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How do you like it? Would you recommend it?
Is the resistive touch-screen responsive?

Paul22000 said:
How do you like it? Would you recommend it?
Is the resistive touch-screen responsive?
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I like it, the resistive screen isn't bad at all. Scrolling can be tough if your used to capacitive. No multitouch either.
I would recommend it based on price and it is capable of doing every task ive given it. Just don't expect a speed demon and it is missing gps, camera and caps at wireless g.

[Q] How to get tablet plan on AT&T?

Hey all, I had read here that AT&T had the Note marked as a Tablet, which means it would only cost $25/month for 2 gigs! But now somebody got the idea to force it into AT&T's system so now it's recognized as a phone and it costs $49 + $25 = $74 to use....
so...
Does anyone have any ideas of how to use it as a tablet?
Thanks,
GT

you mean like take 2 pills every 12 hours?

gerizafa said:
Hey all, I had read here that AT&T had the Note marked as a Tablet, which means it would only cost $25/month for 2 gigs! But now somebody got the idea to force it into AT&T's system so now it's recognized as a phone and it costs $49 + $25 = $74 to use....
so...
Does anyone have any ideas of how to use it as a tablet?
Thanks,
GT
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What happens if you buy a tablet data plan then switch the sim card into the Note? Are they also sweeping tablet plans to look for phones? It seems the system doesn't automatically sweep all accounts/plans, as when The Issue was still in effect, people on the tiered plans weren't being bugged.

A lot of work went into educating AT&T that the Note is a smartphone, now you want it as a tablet (no voice functions?).
Might as well just get a real tablet and call it a day...

Hey Eric,
I'm glad that your hard work has enabled you to pay more. I'm just not as stoked. Especially when it's SUPER EASY to just toss on sipdroid and google voice and you're set. Boom, $25/month.
Thanks,
GT

maxh - How would I buy the plan? You need an IMEI# to do so...

gerizafa said:
Hey Eric,
I'm glad that your hard work has enabled you to pay more. I'm just not as stoked. Especially when it's SUPER EASY to just toss on sipdroid and google voice and you're set. Boom, $25/month.
Thanks,
GT
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that makes sense if you don't mind a dropped call here and there or just bad connection due to VoIP.

gerizafa said:
maxh - How would I buy the plan? You need an IMEI# to do so...
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Borrow a tablet? Go in and tell them you have a tablet at home, or are getting one for Christmas and want to go ahead and get setup with a plan and sim card so Christmas morning you can open your present and immediately pop it in? If they say they need an IMEI number tell them to use the number off of one of the floor models in the store, like they were initially doing for people with the problem in order to add a data plan to the Note.
I'm just speculating, I don't know if you can sim swap without a computer sweep booting you off, so don't blame me if it doesn't work.
I feel people should be able to buy service and use it however they want, on whatever device they want. If you buy 4GB data and want to use it on a phone without voice service, what business is it of theirs? Personally, I do want voice and sms with my data, but I can totally see how some would want data only on the Note, or even a regular sized smartphone. If they're not a heavy caller and VOIP fills their needs, it would be a great money saver.

I am LOLing so hard at this thread.

I don't see why AT&T would have any aversion to providing a tablet plan for the note if you were to ask. Any pointing of fingers over the possibility that you could not do this before trying is pointless.
I lol'ed at this:
"toss on sipdroid...and you're set"
If only it were that simple.

Can you activate any Android smartphone as a tablet only?
There's your answer.

I'm hoping we actually get a choice when Ma Bell officially launches the Note. it would be nice to either have a voice and data plan or just a data plan on this thing.