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Why i'm switching to the Iphone.

The HTC Touch Diamond is a piece of **** for what you pay for.
I paid almost 800$ for a great phone that I expected a lot out of, what did I get? A phone that worked for 20 days and then ****ed up. The entire phone just does not connect when it is not plugged into the wall outlet, and I've used another battery and it still does the same thing, it's a piece of ****.
For the past month I've been trying to get the damn thing to work, I've treated it like a diamond because I've paid as much as I would.
It was awesome for the first 20 days, but now it's useless unless connected to an adapter. Amazing. Mobilecityonline the guys i bought it from are willing to repair it on warranty but it will take 4-6weeks, THATS MORE THAN A MONTH.
I'm ending with my illusion of WM powered phones, goin to the iphone which has basically the same features, not all the looks but god damnit, the tech support is great, and the phone does not lag, and you don't need to cook roms to get the damn thing to work faster.
This is my rant, and anyone else in California who has a working HTC Touch Diamond, good luck keeping it running.

So it was awesome until it broke? Why not just get it repaired then?
Hardware fails from time to time, do you think the iphone is bullet proof? You say you've been trying to get it working for the last month, well if you'd just had it repaired under warranty you'd probably have it back by now.

No, 6 weeks is more than a month. That's far too long for a phone to be in repair. The company was ****ty, that's a given, but the phone ****ed up.
My sister has an iphone and has had it since it came out. The thing with apple is, you can walk into an apple store down the street and walk out with a brand new phone. Repairs take 1 day.
HTC America was really nice and offered the European hotline, but they agreed that if I sent it out to them it would take more than a month, 2-3 apparently. And they cannot send me a new phone but would have to repair this one.
I thought this phone was bullet proof, people f'ing compared it to the iphone. It's an amazing phone, but not worth 700$.

And to get even the basic tools from diamond you need to jailbreak the iphone or use the 2.0 appstore(not the good solution)

haha nice one mouseymousey made me chuckle!
good luck with your iphone mate, you'll soon come running back! 'basic'illy has the same features just about sums it up! and make sure you have a good belt to hold your trousers up! ahem.. BRICK lol
like mousey says, hardware can break down, lifes not perfect mate!
if your fridge breaks down are you going to switch to only eating tinned food?

How so? What basic tools does the diamond have that the iphone does not? What are we missing here? Jailbreaking is meaningless anymore because i'm already on the network with the iphone. You still have to pay for WM applications, it's not like the appstore is killing you.

Sorry double posted on accident. Anyways. I'm sorry, everyone on this board has been great, but no one anywhere on the internet could help me solve this problem, and HTCs best support told me to "hard reset" amazing.
I've just realized that WM is too much trouble, and HTC products are and will always be far too expensive for what you get. If the unlocked iphone cost about 700$ with 4/gigs of internal storage people would be ****ing pissed. But nothing about HTC but rather its a supposed competitor. Failed to impress.
Also, hardware does not break down in a matter of days of you getting it, that's ridiculous, that's showing the quality build of the product being really ****ty. Honestly, If i got a fridge from sears, that broke down in a weeks time I would not get the same brand again. The problem is that every product that you get has to work for atleast a couple of months and you have to do something to do it for it to breakdown. For god's sake, I haven't bought a single product that I couldn't fix, this is literally a hardware failure, that wasn't warranted, I didn't even touch the phone the wrong way, I swear to you I have had it in a case as thick as my wallet. It's ridiculous. If you call it a random breakdown that happens every now and then, **** that. 700$ is a lot for me. And a months time for repairs isn't gravy.

bye bye then
ta tar then!

car navigation, copy - paste, does not even exist... good pushmail etc. exchange stuff... remote desktop, video recording, crappy speeds compared to htc on connections, even with the new 3g... just to name few...
i love the use of iphone, theres no comparison to that, but featurewise its no match for diamond

iphone can melt...
Do you even know that the back cover from the Iphone can be so hot...even the backside can melt...it's posted on a dutch website which found an article from an american user....
If you don't believe me, here's the link to the dutch website:
http://www.allaboutphones.nl/forum/iphone-3g-wordt-ook-erg-heet-en-kan-zelfs-smelten-t3131.html
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=5943855&postcount=288
So you'd better think twice before you buy the Iphone...
greetzz Jeroen

oh yes, the '3g' phone that CANT make video calls?? errr, whats the point!!!? haha
iphone sucks big time!

There are so many good reasons to switch to the iPhone (useability, following the masses, trying to look cool, for example), but "because my phone broke" is not one of them when you consider that iPhone users have just been complaining about that very issue - and I'm not speaking about activation problems...
Anyway, have fun. Good luck with the battery.

I'll stick with the Diamond. Its features simply blow the iPhone out of the water. Most importantly for me is that I can easily write my own apps for it.

Car navigation does exist the new 3g has built in GPS. Copy and paste is released with the new 2.1 firmware, mobileme is up and running, HTC's wifi blows donkey, 3g is fast as hell on the iphone.

And again folks its not about features, its about BUILD QUALITY.

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Do you even know that the back cover from the Iphone can be so hot...even the backside can melt...
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So they found the TRUE reason to the clobal warming... iBlaah

Hi Intradvocate, can you please confirm that 6 weeks is longer than a month?

Sure, 31 days in a month (average) 7 days in a week, 4.4 weeks in a month. (divide 31 by 7)

Intradvocate said:
The HTC Touch Diamond is a piece of **** for what you pay for.
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This is my rant, and anyone else in California who has a working HTC Touch Diamond, good luck keeping it running.
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I can't help noticing that if the same thing happened to your iphone you would be probably writing similar post. Honestly WM6 is for professional and semi-professional users, perhaps closer to blackberry so if you were looking for an iphone like alternative it was a mistake. I am under no peer pressure in terms of "coolness"- the HTC SD must perform efficiently the business tasks that I throw at it and honestly there is currently no better alternative for my needs.

Intradvocate said:
And again folks its not about features, its about BUILD QUALITY.
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True, on iPod touch and non 3g iPhone, unfortunatelly the 3g version has not been the best quality from apple... this is quite tough place to get sympathy when changing to iblaah...

Nexus One: Worth $530?

In your opinions, I have enough money for the N1, but is it worth paying $530 for it? Are you guys who payed for it completely satisfied with your purchase? No remorse?
Thanks.

There are lesser android phones/phones in general that cost more than $530. I am more than satisfied with my phone.

Thats good! I'm leaning on my desk thinking about pushing the "Buy" button, and I think (...Know...) I have my answer.

Worth every penny.

Where do you live? How's T-mobile's 3G saturation where you live? If you definitely want to stay with T-mobile, then go for it. Otherwise, I'd wait.

I'm with AT&T, so I have to pay $530 for the unlocked model. My friend tried their 3G and Edge coverage with TMO, and in San Francisco, it isn't anything specially, AT&T has better here.

wait,
I didnt think that the nexus one could get AT&T 3G...

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I didnt think that the nexus one could get AT&T 3G...
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it only works on EDGE on AT&T ... but as for now t-mobile is a faster network.. HSDPA soon to be HSDPA+ at least here in NYC / LI .. other than that.. this is BY FAR the best phone ive ever even seen... always get comments on it.. and that display is just gorgeous

couple things to assess here from my point of view...
who is your carrier and how is their service in your area? Since you have ATT you will not have 3g, if you will have access to wifi most of the time i would say this balances it out, but N1 on edge seems pointless to me... i would say thats a "dont buy point"
what is your current phone? in my situation, i upgraded from the HTC Excalibur (the Tmobile Dash) so 530 dollars gave me a night and day difference... if you are going from a comparable level phone i would say its not worth full price... unless is one of this icky iphones...
what else can you do with 530 bux? it is a good chunk of money that you can do a number of other things with, so it really is a matter of how bad do you want the phone... for me i worked myself up to buy the thing until i finally cracked and broke the credit card out ...
for me, it was an excellent buy... i went from an old school windows mobile phone to a top of the line android phone so it was literally a night and day difference and I can do so much more with my N1 that i ever dreamed possible... it was worth every penny to me, but will it be for you? I had no idea really what i was buying, i had no experience with android, hell i had to figure out how the OS worked when i got the phone lol

i was real resistant to buy this phone, as i have plenty of things i need to spend 500 on, before the phone.
anyway, last week i got mine, and coming from the moded g1's, even with the awesome mods n such, this phone kills any of them.
its nice to have a phone respond, and do what its told,when clicked.
500$ was worth every mila-second i dont have to wait, ever again.
especially when my ride just left, as i walked out the door, and my
phone has a locked screen, or other random issue, causing me to
panicly push too many buttons, thus freezing the phone more, and
causing a reboot... giving my ride even more time, to get far enough
away, to be assholes and not wanna turn around and pick me up.
see how far that 500$ got me? worth every penny.
Zing.

docsparks said:
i was real resistant to buy this phone, as i have plenty of things i need to spend 500 on, before the phone.
anyway, last week i got mine, and coming from the moded g1's, even with the awesome mods n such, this phone kills any of them.
its nice to have a phone respond, and do what its told,when clicked.
500$ was worth every mila-second i dont have to wait, ever again.
especially when my ride just left, as i walked out the door, and my
phone has a locked screen, or other random issue, causing me to
panicly push too many buttons, thus freezing the phone more, and
causing a reboot... giving my ride even more time, to get far enough
away, to be assholes and not wanna turn around and pick me up.
see how far that 500$ got me? worth every penny.
Zing.
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amen, even when I have like 30 apps running in Modaco's Desire ROM it all works perfectly. My boy who has an iPhone 3GS saw my phone, played around with it and his first words were "Holy F%CK this is fast" I then grabbed the phone and checked ATM and I had 27 tasks running and only 69mb's left of RAM and everything was super responsive....granted he wasn't too impressed when I loaded up the the Cyan ROM (which visually compared to Desire is lacking) but still, he will be buying a Nexus One
and docsparks...you should change ur sig, I just changed mine from G1 to Nexus.

People don't buy this phone for it's superior sound quality, nor excellent coverage 3G/H/etc.

$530 is cheap. Maybe you aren't used to buying unlocked phones, but around the world an unlocked 3GS costs in the region of $750-800, and it's a far, far inferior phone that's nearly a year old. Taken a look at the prices of unlocked Sony Satio, Nokia X6 or N97 lately? They're all pieces of **** with garbage hardware, abso-****ing-lutely terrible software (Symbian!), inferior everything. They're all priced at $640-727 respectively. How about the LG Chocolate BL40? Retails at over $700, and it's a goddamn feature phone.
$530 is nothing.

Look at it this way, the N1 sells for HIGHER than the $530 pricetag on eBay. There's currently no other phone out there with comparable hardware specs.
Buy the thing now, if you decide you don't like it (within the 15 days), you can return it to Google for refund (without the fee). If you decide you don't like it after that, throw it on eBay and sell it for at least what you paid.
...For me, I love my N1.

No wai!
Don't listen to all these guys.
It's totally NOT worth it!
The N1 is terrible.
Get the iPhone. MUCH better device.
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What kind of responses were you expecting to find here? lol

it cost me $250 and that's the most i'd personally pay for a phone. My phone is rooted and all that goodness but all in all - the only reason i gave up my G1 is because of the speed. (or lack of). I'm a conservative person but i like having nice things so i bit the bullet and found 1 on Craigslist for $400, then i sold my G1 for $150 = $250 total out of pocket. Love the N1, but would never pay $530 for a phone. That's nearly the price of a 42inch TV you can find nowadays, or a PS3 and a XBOX360, or like 2 1/2 car payments...all for a phone?!?!

To put it in perspective, i paid 700 for N1 to get it in toronto. I only have edge but i still love the phone and think it was worth every penny.
I genuinely have no complaints about the phone.

For me it was worth the $530. I am on deployment right now, so when we pulled into port in Thailand we were offered local SIM cards if we wanted. To be able to pop the card in, buy basically 300 minutes for $7 and be able to talk to my family while I was there was so worth it.
Knowing that when I go back to Japan for the rest of this det I can do the same thing, worth it.
Knowing that I can learn to develop my own apps without having to buy a mac or pay $100 developers fee, worth it.
I have TMo service at home and have been happy with it, in AZ only Verizon offers 3g so I don't miss that. I had an unlocked 1stgen iPhone and edge was fast enough for the browsing that I did so no loss there. Plus when I travel I can still get 3g if they have it. So for me it was completely worth the $530. Now I just have to wait for manufacturers to give us some nice cases.

docsparks said:
i was real resistant to buy this phone, as i have plenty of things i need to spend 500 on, before the phone.
anyway, last week i got mine, and coming from the moded g1's, even with the awesome mods n such, this phone kills any of them.
its nice to have a phone respond, and do what its told,when clicked.
500$ was worth every mila-second i dont have to wait, ever again.
especially when my ride just left, as i walked out the door, and my
phone has a locked screen, or other random issue, causing me to
panicly push too many buttons, thus freezing the phone more, and
causing a reboot... giving my ride even more time, to get far enough
away, to be assholes and not wanna turn around and pick me up.
see how far that 500$ got me? worth every penny.
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That's a bingo [movie reference]
It came out to $579 with tax and the best $579 I have ever spent. It's definitely worth every bit of it. I think it is definitely the best phone out. I never buy a phone unless I think it's superior to any other phone on the market. Rooted or Not Rooted you're going to love it. There is absolutely no waiting on anything. The only thing that has to "load" is Google Navigation because it's loading a lot of information. Even then, we're talking 5 seconds at most. I do remember using my G1 and MyTouch and getting in a rush and freezing the phone. Most irritating thing in the world. An example of the N1 speed: When I receive an SMS I pull down the notification and click the message. Before the notification bar has time to return the message has already appeared underneath it.
It mostly depends on what you want. If you like using your phone for more than making calls then I would say go for it. I've had up to 49 apps running at once with zero lag. One thing I can tell you before you get one is to read the link in my signature about getting a Task Killer and DON'T get one

Because I live in Norway, I "had" to pay about $820-830 for it. I would do it again.
It is the best phone I have had or tried.

[Q] I need honest answer PLEASE

Is this phone and company worth switching over too ? Do to Sprints changing my plan without my approval,I have the opportunity to switch to another carrier.Out of the other big 3 Verizon,T-mobile & AT&T is the only one that is willing to put their offer in writting to me. The other reason I am even looking at this phone and company is because both of my sons want the IPhone and my wife only wants a phone offered by them as well..
So..please fellow XDA members tell me staright up..should I stay with Sprint and my Hero for 1-1/2 years more..or start fresh with this phone and AT&T..
Mac

50 views and not even 1 response..?
Is there no one on-line that has this phone wanting to step up and answer the question ?
I really would like to know the feelings of the folks here,since those that have this phone also have AT&T's service..
Mac

Not an easy one to answer really. I would say if you are completely turned of by what Sprint did to you then changing wouldn't be a bad thing. Going with AT&T will get you points with your family. And who couldn't use more points with their family, right?
That being said, you have by now undoubtedly heared about the GPS problems facing the Galaxy S phones. Some have found their phone is better with different versions, some claim all the updates and changes have made their GPS unuseable. If you are in need of a phone that has good GPS then I would say you can find better. Personally, the GPS issue isn't a deal breaker for me. I am also one of the lucky ones that find it works fine for how I use it.
The phone itself is amazing. Being on XDA also helps as there are many helpful and informative people. Also, the Captivate has been out long enough that the mods are becomming better and better every day, that is if you are into modding your phone. Heck, stock it still is a good phone.
So it all boils down to what you really want to do. I think that is why you haven't had anyone jump on giving you an answer. Good luck my friend!

There is no "right carrier". The advantage of AT&T (now) is coverage and GSM. AT&T has better coverage then T-Mobile, but about equal to VZW. GSM allows you take your phone to Europe - VZW CDMA does not;
But the future brings change - VZW has a slew of World phones coming out (they have GSM as well as CDMA) - VZW has LTE coming out - which is supposed to be a global standard - so travel issue may be a thing of the past.
AT&T has the iPhone today, but rumor says a CDMA iPhone on VZW for the holidays. But rumors are rumors.
I don't know what you are looking for in writing - all the carriers plans are on their web site. T-Mo does have the best customer service, and VZW has some great android phones. If you don't travel much, and T-Mo has good coverage where you live, they seem to have the best prices and some of the best phones.
AT&T is fine too - not trying to steer you away. I moved to AT&T for an iPhone years ago - and I travel to EU; so VZW wasn't cutting it.
Anyway If the family wants AT&T and the price for phones and service fits, then make the move. But you are stuck for 2 years.

Sounds like it's 3-1 in your house. I'd go ahead and make the switch if thats what your family wants. I don't think you'll be worse off with one carrier over the other, at the end of the day they will all screw you. Captivate is a great phone if you can deal with the sometimes difficult to deal with GPS.

I agree. Go with what makes your family happy overall. The Captivate is a fine device, and I've been much more pleased with it than I was with my iPhone. Talk it over with your family, putting them first won't do you wrong.

My first phone was from Virgin Mobile and was prepaid. I know they leased out network access from Sprint. It was awful. I never had good coverage, and then they started charging more for everything. I left them.
I've been with AT&T now since 6th grade. They've never screwed us over, they've always been helpful, and whenever we've had problems, like my sister signing up for those joke things they advertise on tv putting huge data charges on our bill, they cleared it up right away and even gave us a credit on the account.
Of course you're going to hear horror stories of bad customer service from everyone, but really it's not all that common. I've always thought AT&T had great phones, and they've all last me a long time.
My favorite phones have always been Samsung ones as all but one of my phones has been from them. My first was a Sony Ericsson S710a and it lasted me until one day I was sliding it open, and it slipped out of my hand and into a wall and the LCD shattered. After that I had a Samsung a727, then the SGH-i607 Blackjack, then the SGH-a877 Impression, and now the Captivate.
You will be happier with AT&T then with Sprint. But ultimately, you pay the bill and you decide where your money goes. I'll just add that I don't usually praise any company for no reason.

I love this phone with ji6 gps works completely fine for me it does what its supposed to every time lately gets me there no issues. Im very happy with att besides they make you pay for tethering, but theres ways around that with this phone, hehe ;-)
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Thanks Guys..
I hate spending a-lot more money so soon on moving my service (since may 2010)..but I really don't know how I could stay with them.
As to any cell company posting their policy on line..well..that can and does change (with Sprint almost daily)..and actually having a written signed contract is something the other companies won't do,AT&T will.That does a lot for me..and for my wife peace of mind.My boys have wanted the I phones for sometime..I don't want one..which is why I am asking about the Captivate. BTW...Sprint elected to change my verbal contract given to me at the time of signing..and I fought it the best I could without turning my Lawyers loose..and I most likely would have won,but the cost to do so would have been prohibitive without a written contract,or so what they told me when I spoke to them about it..
So..the phone has a GPS problem..and that isn't a deal breaker for me,but I do want to see it fixed and soon.Having a 2.2 rom is what I am running on my hero now along with one of the best looking themes going right now IMHO..http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=797077 and so hopefully we can get this ported over here at some point..even if I have to learn how to do it myself
FWIW..I looked closely at this phone and also the Ios4 and hands down this one blows it out of the water on anything video..I stopped by T-Mobile and watched the HD Avatar movie on their version when I was looking at what they offered...It was just awesome..simply jaw dropping..
I am looking forward to the 2.2 upgrade and what comes after with it..So..I will be on here more and more reading what I can..
Thanks Again
Mac

Mac, just a heads up. The leaked 2.2 rom we have actually fixed the GPS. There's no real problem anymore. Obviously it will become more refined when the final release comes out but it definitely works now.
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stuffy is a difficult company but I can't feral with poor service so I disk with them. get used to advanced features like tethering being blocked and such. but you can fix that by looking in the dev section. att isn't all bad though mostly because they are stupid, I told them verizon had a 15% vetrans discount (they do) and asked att if they had something similar. well they didn't but the customer service rep put me on an active duty discount because she didn't know better. it needs to be approved at a higher level with pics of my id and a valid military email according to there website, well I put the papers in anyway and had 15% off my bill the next month. so they obviously don't look at it.
verizons version of bloatware is full blown add ware. if you plug an incredible into a windows pc it hijacks explorer and goes to a v cast music site. on the fascinate they replaced the google services with microsoft services.
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I think it's refreshing to see all the honest answers, not a ton of chest pounding "our phone is the best" posts. Most people on XDA by nature are into tweaking so the out-of-the-box limitations aren't a showstopper.
For me, I really need a world-capable phone. My family also is on ATT so that helped as well. I think all the carriers are converging on offering similar product. ATT has less HTC stuff but has the IPhone. ATT is currently behind on Android, but the Captivate is certainly helping to address that. I like the phone and have recommended it friends. Go for it.

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Mac, just a heads up. The leaked 2.2 rom we have actually fixed the GPS. There's no real problem anymore. Obviously it will become more refined when the final release comes out but it definitely works now.
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Cool..that is good news..
Thanks
Mac

I will give my two bits. My experience has been good with att. Cs has never been bad, but at times there were moments that did not go smoothly. Always quick to address concerns of mine and they love giving credits out to keep me happy. I have been one of the lucky that never had major problems out of the box with the captivate. But coming from a storm running on atti think my standard were lower. Gps on froyo still doesn't work perfectly but has had improvement with locking and tracking. Dev support is actually really good so that is a big plus. My wife loves her captivate and she is not a techie at all. Hope my input helps.
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flashman2002 said:
I will give my two bits. My experience has been good with att. Cs has never been bad, but at times there were moments that did not go smoothly. Always quick to address concerns of mine and they love giving credits out to keep me happy. I have been one of the lucky that never had major problems out of the box with the captivate. But coming from a storm running on atti think my standard were lower. Gps on froyo still doesn't work perfectly but has had improvement with locking and tracking. Dev support is actually really good so that is a big plus. My wife loves her captivate and she is not a techie at all. Hope my input helps.
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It does,and greatly appreciated..
I understand the gps issue,and I am wondering if the delayed release of FroYo on this phone is partly because of it. Rooting and adding on customs roms has been working great for me on my Hero..and that phone is finnally acting the way it should have all along. Removing AT&T's bloatware will be my first priority after 2.2 is released..
I am curious about one thing..I know you can't load 3rd party apps unless rooted and a custom rom..but can you direct push them with the sd out of the phone and in a reader from a pc ? If we are working out of windows and a terminal..we should be able to insert any .apk or what we want.. anywhere we want..can't we ?
Thanks Again Guys
Mac

mobius911 said:
I think it's refreshing to see all the honest answers, not a ton of chest pounding "our phone is the best" posts. Most people on XDA by nature are into tweaking so the out-of-the-box limitations aren't a showstopper.
For me, I really need a world-capable phone. My family also is on ATT so that helped as well. I think all the carriers are converging on offering similar product. ATT has less HTC stuff but has the IPhone. ATT is currently behind on Android, but the Captivate is certainly helping to address that. I like the phone and have recommended it friends. Go for it.
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Same here..I know folks have their favorites and also know there will always be folks that have problems..but it is refreshing to see a honest straight forward discussion with out any of the fan fair these types of threads always seem to degenerate into.
Mac

Mac11700 said:
I am curious about one thing..I know you can't load 3rd party apps unless rooted and a custom rom..but can you direct push them with the sd out of the phone and in a reader from a pc ? If we are working out of windows and a terminal..we should be able to insert any .apk or what we want.. anywhere we want..can't we ?
Thanks Again Guys
Mac
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You can push them using ADB or even easier, if you google something called the "Android Central Sideload Wonder Machine" or just sideload wonder machine, someone created an app to so that you don't even have to use the command prompt or hack the phone. No need for a custom rom, and I don't believe rooting is needed.
Here, I'll link you to it.
SIDELOAD WONDER MACHINE

I made the switch you are thinking of about 1.5 years ago and I have no regrets. One thing to keep in mind is the data cap ATT now has on their new subscribers. I signed up when unlimited was an offering, and honestly I don't know that I would have been comfortable using 1 smartphone, let alone 3-4 of them with limited data usage. ATT also had better coverage where I lived last year but would say Sprint is on par within the city limits now. The Evo is a really nice phone (Several people I know have them and are pleased) but I won't go back to Sprint after all the horrible customer service I had with them for 8 years. My local ATT business rep does an incredible job and is a big reason that I just renewed with them(they let me keep unlimited data). Ultimately, if I was in your shoes, I would probably do what made my family/wife happy as long as it isn't going to cause financial heartache when you exceed the data limit. I think they charge in blocks of 200mb for overage but you should definitely look into how much data your family has/will be using. My .02
Edited to add: Depending on what kind of user you are (business/personal) you might want to leave that cog. 2.2 alone until it works. I loaded it last weekend, went out to a job, and was unable to d-load an important pdf that was in my e-mail. Fortunately I had a laptop but in the past I would have been able to count on my phone for a quick blueprint reference. Sounds like it may be a fun thing to play with as long as you don't REALLY need everything on your phone to work. Also, the GPS was horrid on cog. 2.2. Needless to say I flashed it back to the original software when I got home. My GPS works just fine after the JH7 OTA update was installed. Worked yesterday on a 2 hour drive where I only had phone coverage for 20-30 miles. I haven't "tweaked" the GPS settings, just whatever they changed with JH7 is working.

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I made the switch you are thinking of about 1.5 years ago and I have no regrets. One thing to keep in mind is the data cap ATT now has on their new subscribers. I signed up when unlimited was an offering, and honestly I don't know that I would have been comfortable using 1 smartphone, let alone 3-4 of them with limited data usage. ATT also had better coverage where I lived last year but would say Sprint is on par within the city limits now. The Evo is a really nice phone (Several people I know have them and are pleased) but I won't go back to Sprint after all the horrible customer service I had with them for 8 years. My local ATT business rep does an incredible job and is a big reason that I just renewed with them(they let me keep unlimited data). Ultimately, if I was in your shoes, I would probably do what made my family/wife happy as long as it isn't going to cause financial heartache when you exceed the data limit. I think they charge in blocks of 200mb for overage but you should definitely look into how much data your family has/will be using. My .02
Edited to add: Depending on what kind of user you are (business/personal) you might want to leave that cog. 2.2 alone until it works. I loaded it last weekend, went out to a job, and was unable to d-load an important pdf that was in my e-mail. Fortunately I had a laptop but in the past I would have been able to count on my phone for a quick blueprint reference. Sounds like it may be a fun thing to play with as long as you don't REALLY need everything on your phone to work. Also, the GPS was horrid on cog. 2.2. Needless to say I flashed it back to the original software when I got home. My GPS works just fine after the JH7 OTA update was installed. Worked yesterday on a 2 hour drive where I only had phone coverage for 20-30 miles. I haven't "tweaked" the GPS settings, just whatever they changed with JH7 is working.
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Dam good advise..Thanks
They charge in 1 gig allotments for overages now..not 200 mb. I too was worried about doing just this..and this is per line..not per plan. I went back through all of my bills and no-one has even come close to 1gig..let alone 2 gigs..but I understand that can change too.
The main thing for me and my family is getting a phone that is going to work..every time. I've run into some issues with mine on my job where I needed it and something crashed it. Also it's so tiresome for me to hear all the complaints and moaning when something crashes or FC's on their phones..I can deal with it happening on mine cause I am used to tinkering with it..but I have to say I am very tempted some by the I 4's simplicity...it would be nice just to not have to worry about updating mine almost daily,and just use the durn thing. I just don't know if I could deal with it or not as a day to day phone. I am at a loss in that regards..I know you can jailbreak them and do similar things we do with our Androids..but..I don't know enough about that to even consider doing it right now. I most likely would just so I could download apps and movies on it to watch from my pc..I got a week to figure this all out..and you all here are helping a-lot..
Thanks
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I honestly liked the iphone4, and had one for a week. It was fun and all, but it had the same problem as my 3G, the ability to make and MAINTAIN a phone call. Obviously that isn't much of an issue for younger kids since you can still text with spotty coverage(my 13 yo uses about 60 min. a month and 1,000,000,000,000 text messages) I don't know if the iphone is somehow on a different signal than the other phones, but I have been very pleased with the PHONE CALL ability of the captivate. My wife loves the iphone (though she keeps eyeballing the captivate now) and like you, I do not enjoy fixing problems, so I have tried my best to keep her interest in my phone at a minimum. I can honestly say I do not miss the iphone for anything. I also enjoy the *cough cough* wireless tethering of my captivate(free app) that iphone never did get right(and when it did work, there was the whole loss of signal issue). The iphone is good at running apps and texting, outstanding even. I just really need to make phone calls and MAINTAIN a call when I make it. But like I said in my previous post, if your use is personal, iphone might work. If you make important calls, it fails.

FML! Left my N7 on a plane.

So United has a horrible Lost and found system. I called them less then 30 minutes after walking off the plane. I wanted someone to walk to my seat and physically grab it. Since i was near the rear of the plane and the last one out of my row im pretty sure no other passenger would of grabbed it. All they could do is basically tell me to report it on the website and i "might" get a call. The thing is I know and have talked to a few flight attendants and it seems like a lot of the time there co-workers hide the stuff and keep it for themself. So instead of united actually doing a physical check it is pretty much as good as gone at this point. I really have no faith i will get it back. It was a flawless N7 16gb too!. Doubt I will buy a new one to replace it even though i really loved the device, I just have too much other things going on to afford it atm. So if I dont get a call/email in the next few days, it was nice being a part of these forums and loved the vibe here.

That sucks. Hope you able to get it back. Good luck!

This reminds me when I lost my old GBA case on a plane. It had so many good games in there, and the GBA itself. I still had my SP case though, that had the SP and games as well, so I didn't lose everything.
I miss you Nightmare in Dreamland.
Anyway, sorry to hear about losing your Nexus.

omg that is so sad. i almost cried reading your post.. I would hate to loose mine right now . It will come in handy starting next week. Wed i have to have a bicep tendon surgery..
boohooo
i so hope they do the honest thing and get it back to you

Get a case or sleeve that you can tether to your bag, belt, etc. Also, Case Logic LNE07 comes in red so it's hard to visually miss it.

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So United has a horrible Lost and found system. I called them less then 30 minutes after walking off the plane. I wanted someone to walk to my seat and physically grab it. Since i was near the rear of the plane and the last one out of my row im pretty sure no other passenger would of grabbed it. All they could do is basically tell me to report it on the website and i "might" get a call. The thing is I know and have talked to a few flight attendants and it seems like a lot of the time there co-workers hide the stuff and keep it for themself. So instead of united actually doing a physical check it is pretty much as good as gone at this point. I really have no faith i will get it back. It was a flawless N7 16gb too!. Doubt I will buy a new one to replace it even though i really loved the device, I just have too much other things going on to afford it atm. So if I dont get a call/email in the next few days, it was nice being a part of these forums and loved the vibe here.
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United Airlines is the worst. From the most cramped planes with the worst seats in the industry, to the worst customer service there is. I used to fly Continental exclusively, but since the merger, no more. Good luck.

Any chance you had Lookout or some other tracking service installed? Sucks man. My wife is a flight attendant and she has turned in several Kindle's and what-not in, so perhaps there is a chance. Best of luck!

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Any chance you had Lookout or some other tracking service installed? Sucks man. My wife is a flight attendant and she has turned in several Kindle's and what-not in, so perhaps there is a chance. Best of luck!
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yes i have lookout installed.

You never know, I found someone's kindle on a Southwest flight and took it right up to the counter. They said they had already hear from the passenger and knew whose it was. Messing with other people's gadgets is bad mojo.

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yes i have lookout installed.
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Can you tell if it's still at the airport? If yes, that is a very good sign that it's probably been turned in (and someone turned it on and connected to wifi...but lets hope that was in an effort to identify you for good reasons). If it pops up online anywhere outside of the airport...it's pretty much gone. Hopefully you changed all your passwords to all your accounts too...notified any credit cards you have tied to any of those accounts, etc.

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Can you tell if it's still at the airport? If yes, that is a very good sign that it's probably been turned in (and someone turned it on and connected to wifi...but lets hope that was in an effort to identify you for good reasons). If it pops up online anywhere outside of the airport...it's pretty much gone. Hopefully you changed all your passwords to all your accounts too...notified any credit cards you have tied to any of those accounts, etc.
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it wasnt able to locate it which leads me to believe it wasnt turned on and connected to wifi. I had google wallet active on there but no credit card tied to it, just the $10 that came free.

Scythe024 said:
So United has a horrible Lost and found system. I called them less then 30 minutes after walking off the plane. I wanted someone to walk to my seat and physically grab it. Since i was near the rear of the plane and the last one out of my row im pretty sure no other passenger would of grabbed it. All they could do is basically tell me to report it on the website and i "might" get a call. The thing is I know and have talked to a few flight attendants and it seems like a lot of the time there co-workers hide the stuff and keep it for themself. So instead of united actually doing a physical check it is pretty much as good as gone at this point. I really have no faith i will get it back. It was a flawless N7 16gb too!. Doubt I will buy a new one to replace it even though i really loved the device, I just have too much other things going on to afford it atm. So if I dont get a call/email in the next few days, it was nice being a part of these forums and loved the vibe here.
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If you bought it with a credit card you might have some buyer protection like, replacement for stolen or broken items. I buy everything with American express, I have a 90 day window in which they will replace if lost, stolen, broken, etc.... Plus they extend any warranty an additional year...
Visa has something like this on a few of the cards...

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it wasnt able to locate it which leads me to believe it wasnt turned on and connected to wifi. I had google wallet active on there but no credit card tied to it, just the $10 that came free.
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you need to input your passcode anyway, unless you have it stored in your tablet for someone to find out

I am really surprised that Google doesn't have an easy way to register our devices. Every Android device has numbers associated with it that can't be changed. The MAC addresses for both the WiFi and Bluetooth interfaces are unique, so every device that has either of these radios could be identified. It should be part of the OS that these tablets can't install any software if the registered owner reports it lost or stolen. If the device has cameras, a picture should be taken when it's connected to the internet. These pictures could be retrieved when a valid case number or subpoena is provided. At least a warning should appear on the tablet saying it has been reported lost or stolen. Make it a pain to use a misappropriated tablet.
Yes, I know there are programs out there that do this for you, but they are easily circumvented by doing a full factory reset of the device. Come on Google! Take a bite out of crime!

Jroyd said:
I am really surprised that Google doesn't have an easy way to register our devices. Every Android device has numbers associated with it that can't be changed. The MAC addresses for both the WiFi and Bluetooth interfaces are unique, so every device that has either of these radios could be identified. It should be part of the OS that these tablets can't install any software if the registered owner reports it lost or stolen. If the device has cameras, a picture should be taken when it's connected to the internet. These pictures could be retrieved when a valid case number or subpoena is provided. At least a warning should appear on the tablet saying it has been reported lost or stolen. Make it a pain to use a misappropriated tablet.
Yes, I know there are programs out there that do this for you, but they are easily circumvented by doing a full factory reset of the device. Come on Google! Take a bite out of crime!
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Someone on another thread said that somebody sold them a Nexus 7 that was apparently known to Google as stolen, and I guess Play access was disabled or something, I don't know the exact details though...

An app is only easily removed if it is loaded as a user app. If it is am system app a standard reset went be enough. On the other hand maybe they will be smart enough to take it further.
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A very similar thing happened to me on a BA flight inbound to heathrow years ago. On that occasion i left a case containing some sennheiser noise cancelling headphones and an ipod nano in the seat pocket. I realized just a short distance from the gate and went back but they wouldn't let me back on. They never found for me either. I was eventually told that "I think someone has add it mate".

Jroyd said:
... If the device has cameras, a picture should be taken when it's connected to the internet. These pictures could be retrieved when a valid case number or subpoena is provided. At least a warning should appear on the tablet saying it has been reported lost or stolen.
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I have my devices set to take front and rear photos on evey boot and on multiple incorrect passcodes which are uploaded staight to dropbox and google plus. They also text each other with gps coordinates on every boot. Again, this is only useful if the thief doesn't factory reset or flash a new rom.
I wonder if devs could implement a passcode for cwm et al to secure the flashing process?
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goto play.google.com and install plan B remotely, youll be able to track it once it's online, as long as it's still tied to your google account
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I have my devices set to take front and rear photos on evey boot and on multiple incorrect passcodes which are uploaded staight to dropbox and google plus. They also text each other with gps coordinates on every boot. Again, this is only useful if the thief doesn't factory reset or flash a new rom.
I wonder if devs could implement a passcode for cwm et al to secure the flashing process?
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This was discussed before but i think they said they couldn't because it could lock you out of your device

Slate on a plane!!
Sorry, just had too
I read on Google's help pages that they can remotely lock a device so might be worth calling them. If someone can't use it they might put it back in lost property or something.

[Q] Switch sim card from scratched note 4

So i just got my note 4 yesterday and I love it been an android user since the og droid. Anyways here's the deal. I didn't have money to get a screen protector since I didn't get paid till today. Thought I would baby the phone till I could order one from Amazon but today i scratched it by accidentally putting it in my pocket with my old phone still in there( baggy sweats so I didn't notice).
Well I preordered a note 4 but went in to another store and they had one in Stock. Just checked my email and they just shipped my preorder. Could I open the package and switch sim cards without it triggering a change in phones? It's not a terrible scratch but it's an inch long and it's driving me crazy. Thanks in advance for any help. Just switched from Verizon so I don't know how tmobile works.

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Androidfan80 said:
So i just got my note 4 yesterday and I love it been an android user since the og droid. Anyways here's the deal. I didn't have money to get a screen protector since I didn't get paid till today. Thought I would baby the phone till I could order one from Amazon but today i scratched it by accidentally putting it in my pocket with my old phone still in there( baggy sweats so I didn't notice).
Well I preordered a note 4 but went in to another store and they had one in Stock. Just checked my email and they just shipped my preorder. Could I open the package and switch sim cards without it triggering a change in phones? It's not a terrible scratch but it's an inch long and it's driving me crazy. Thanks in advance for any help. Just switched from Verizon so I don't know how tmobile works.
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All the phones have embedded IMEI code numbers in the phone itself as well
as on the bar code label and that's the very first thing Verizon or or any other
carrier checks when you turn in a phone or return a phone for any reason.
If the IMEI number is different than what they expect it to be you will get
yourself in a lot of trouble, they will either not refund your money or bill
you for the full price of the phone if it hasn't been fully paid off already.
There is no way to change or alter the IMEI number.
Good luck!

hmm please clarify if I'm wrong but you want to swap your scratched phone and put the scratched phone in the new Note 4's box and return it. Am I correct?

rookiegenius said:
hmm please clarify if I'm wrong but you want to swap your scratched phone and put the scratched phone in the new Note 4's box and return it. Am I correct?
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As bad as it sounds yes I'm trying to do that. I sort of feel justified to do that because when opening the account they ported my number to my wife's phone and i had no cell service.
I heard if i put a screen protector on it itmight hide the scratch a little bit but it's killing me that my 2 day old phone has a big scratch on it.

Ouch, you're just begging for an onslaught of hostile replies, aren't you?
Here's the thing, you can't switch boxes, you can't switch phones in boxes, you can't switch IMEI's, and you're probably not going to be able to return a phone with a scratched screen, but ethics aside, there's always a very slim chance if the rep is distracted. You could always try faking Tourette Syndrome if you're really that desperate, but it seems like a lot of work for the slim chance of a relatively small payoff.
The screen protector they will almost for sure take off before scanning the phone in, but that idea did make me lol (thanks for that). You might have to live with it or hope that it isn't too noticeable with the protector on and use it that way. Don't mess with switching phones though if you want to avoid embarrassment in the store.

kgbeezr1 said:
Ouch, you're just begging for an onslaught of hostile replies, aren't you?
Here's the thing, you can't switch boxes, you can't switch phones in boxes, you can't switch IMEI's, and you're probably not going to be able to return a phone with a scratched screen, but ethics aside, there's always a very slim chance if the rep is distracted. You could always try faking Tourette Syndrome if you're really that desperate, but it seems like a lot of work for the slim chance of a relatively small payoff.
The screen protector they will almost for sure take off before scanning the phone in, but that idea did make me lol (thanks for that). You might have to live with it or hope that it isn't too noticeable with the protector on and use it that way. Don't mess with switching phones though if you want to avoid embarrassment in the store.
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Glad i was able to make you laugh lol. I was wondering about the screen protector for myself not to notice, not tmobile since it looks like i have to live with the scratch. I think i notice it more because I'm looking at every pixel of that beautiful screen. Too bad i didn't sign up for jump so i can trade it in for the note 5.

Ok here's my last resort before I'm stuck with it lol. Wonder if i can return it before the 14 day grace period is up and just get the nexus 6 when it comes out. Has anyone done this successfully before? I know I'll have to pay a $50 restocking fee.

Androidfan80 said:
Glad i was able to make you laugh lol. I was wondering about the screen protector for myself not to notice, not tmobile since it looks like i have to live with the scratch. I think i notice it more because I'm looking at every pixel of that beautiful screen. Too bad i didn't sign up for jump so i can trade it in for the note 5.
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Ohh, ok.
Androidfan80 said:
Ok here's my last resort before I'm stuck with it lol. Wonder if i can return it before the 14 day grace period is up and just get the nexus 6 when it comes out. Has anyone done this successfully before? I know I'll have to pay a $50 restocking fee.
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The issue isn't returning and waiting for the Nexus, you can always do that, the issue is trying to return a phone with a scratch on the screen. The re-stock fee is just for opening the package, it doesn't cover damage. So really, the best answer you're going to get is either try to sell it on eBay - if there's no financing on the phone you could likely get close to what you paid, especially if you're willing to sell internationally, or, just take it back into the T-Mobile store and hope they don't notice. If you're really that determined and they refuse it, try taking it to other stores. It's not really ethical advice, but that's really your only option. Personally I would be way too mortified at the idea that i'm going to walk in, look the rep in the eye and expect him/her to take the phone with the scratch, it would look pretty shady. I would just sell it on eBay. But obviously it's up to you.

you scratched it, you own it...coming here asking for ways to pull a fast one isn't welcome, nor wanted...

Well, as entertaining as it would be to watch the onslaught here, this thread is going to be closed before it gets out of hand.
That being said, what you are wanting to do is not only immoral, but also illegal and unethical. No matter what screw ups you had to endure when they swapped your devices there is no justification for what you are attempting. This is equivalent to buying a new car, wrecking it, and returning it to the lot claiming this is how you received it.
You damaged the device, intentionally or not, and you must deal with the consequences of that action. Your carrier can hold you liable for the cost of both devices, in full, if you actually attempted to pursue this, not to mention having legal grounds to get you for fraud.
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