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Got my phone (AT&T Captivate, firmware 2.1-update1 version JH7, kernel 2.6.29, build eclair.UCJH7) on december 28 from a AT&T store (it even came with a pic taken december 20 ) and I've already been able to boot into download mode (power off, hold volume keys then plug usb) and into that menu used to install packages (power off, hold volume keys then power on). Guess my hardware and firmware are ok, so I may be able to recover my phone by myself in case things go south.
I've been doing my homework lately (been reading stickys, tutorials and faqs for 10 days) but I'm still confused about some procedures. I'm not going to list everything I've read here, but I would like someone to correct me if I've learnt wrong. I don't really need the easiest methods, I want to understand the options available and to choose the best ones (aka the hardest path).
First of all, it seems I need to root my phone in order to be able to create backups, carrier-unlock it and flash custom roms. But it doesn't make much sense to me, since rooting it seem to be enough to prevent it from receiving FOTA updates - and I want to make the most comprehensive backup possible, in such a way I could restore my phone to 'factory condition' if needed.
Second, I realize there are many ways, programs and guides to root the phone - the most famous ones, One-Click root/unroot and z4root, seem to be listed in the wiki (http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SGH-I897), but there is also CLShortFuse's One-Click Root and Allow Non-Market Apps, which sounds interesting but I don't know if it is undo-able. So there are different ways to root the phone, but there is little to none information on what's the difference between these methods, which is 'better' and what difference does it make if I root it permanently or by some reversible method. Does it affect performance? How each of them work? I have no clue.
The mess gets even greater when it comes to creating backups. People mention different programs to make these backups (clockwork recovery, titanium backup) but I don't understand if they back up different parts of the phone. Some even seem to change the bootloader of the phone - shouldn't it be backed up prior to any modification? Do I flash these backups using Odin? Which programs should I use to have a full backup? Is there anything left I should back up manually?
I'll quit talking for now because I've already written a lot and I still have many questions; if I write all of them at once, no one will ever have the patience to read them.
Erk, a long post deserves a long answer
So first off, il tell you about recovering your phone. Since you just got it, you can go back to the store and play dumb to get a new one in case anything goes wrong. You can also use the 3 button combos to get into download mode and use odins back to stock to get back to your original 2.1 eclair firmware . To do that you would need to get into download mode. Now there are a couple ways to do this, and i can only explain two since ive actually used two. (Well 3 actually, but il get to the third after these 2)
The first method is using the 3 button combo which you should already know. The second method is using adb commands such as (adb shell, adb reboot download, adb reboot recovery, adb devices). The third way is building a jig. Thats basically connecting 301k 1/4 watt worth of resistors together and placing them on pin 4 and 5 on your micro usb slot. You can read more about that on the tutorial on how to build a jig for your phone.
To restore to your factory setting, odin's one click back to stock thing should do the job. It simple installs the stock 2.1 eclair all over again (without the root).
To root your phone, any method from the wiki should work. None of them are really "better" :S, they all do the same job and give you super user permissions. None of them root your permanently since you can always go back to stock using Odin's... It does not really affect performance, not to any extent i have noticed :S, and unfortunately, i dont really know how it works.
As for creating backups, Titanium Backup is the best solution. Whether you have the few extra bucks to spend for the premium one or simply want to use the free one, its one of the best tools out there. I personally use it and its one of the best. It backs up all the data (except for my text messages). It creates a folder on your internal memory which you can just copy to your desktop. When the time comes that you need to restore your backup, just copy the folder back into your internal memory, load up titanium backup. Restore it and voila .
I think ive answered everything, if ive missed anything, let me know
Edit : Forgot to mention this . If your truly interested in customization. Custom roms are the best there is a howto in the themes and apps section on how to install it. It comes pre-rooted (if that is the word to use :S) and theyre much better than the stock firmware. Im currently using serendipity v3.0 (flashed it yesterday)
supaphreek, guess I'll have to thank you twice: once for reading my enormous post, and again for you supacompleteanswer.
I'm being paranoid with recovery because I actually bought the phone in the US then came back to my country (Brazil), so I'm a few thousand miles away from the simple lets-return-this-thing solution.
From everything I've read, I believe the most instructive were the wiki at http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Samsung_Galaxy_S/SGH-I897 , the FAQ at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858765 , the PDF guide from user nbs11 at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761819 and the wiki at http://www.capfaq.com/w/FAQ. These contain most of the info a newbie user would ever need and I'd definitely recommend them to any newbie user who happen to be reading this. And for everyone afraid of bricking, it's a tremendous relief to know pretty much any mess you do can be reverted using download mode and Odin, so the first thing to test is if you can get into download mode using one of the ways described by our buddy supaphreek.
On the rooting matter, I found no discussion at all about which is better, so they should be pretty similar (though I have no idea which is the oldest version, I'd assume the recent ones might be a little improved). There is some discussion on what's the better lagfix and many of the cooked ROMs already come with some lagfix installed, but this is another story...
Once I get my phone rooted, it seems to be trivial to carrier-unlock it. There's even an app on android market for this, so I won't even need sideloading. Since all this procedure does is just give me a number, there's hardly any difference among all the unlocking procedures out there.
For the backup, I'll still do it using both titanium and clockwork, as suggested by nbs11 on the pdf I've linked on this post. Better safe than sorry, right?
And yes, I'm truly interested in customization and I'll go deep down that path, I'm just packing up my head with some knowledge to avoid being desperate if things eventually go fubar.
As a last question, is there somewhere I can get 1-click Odin with my exact firmware version? (2.1-update1, I897UCJH7, Kernel 2.6.29 [email protected] #2, build eclair.ucjh7) And how important is it to get the exact same firmware?
As I've done my research, I found 1-click odin with JF6 here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=731989
I've also found the 'standalone' I897UCJH7 on this topic (where this guy even flashed succesfully his phone using old JH2 firmware without problems, so finding the exact firmware version might not be the greatest issue): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10056254&postcount=36 but this process is a bit more complicated and uses regular Odin and clockwork recovery. Nonetheless, from what I've understood, I can still use any old version of odin to flash JF6 then use my own clockwork backup, right?
Hmm, unfortunately, im not sure if there is a specific Odin for that firmware :S. However what you can do is use one that reverts you to any stock version, and then flash the version you want through clockwork mod
I'll do that. Thanks again!
Also if you one click to stock, you can OTA update to the most recent firnware. I suggest titanium premium if you are going to flash a lot of custom roms, it is a lot faster to restore and also syncs with dropbox
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Be careful trying to flash with odin. Some newer builds get instabrick flashing back to jf6 and must go with jh2 or newer.
So, you may want to invest a few bucks in a jig setup before blindly using odin.
Thanks for the tip, sixstringsg.
Newter55, as my phone is brand new I believe I may have one of these insta-brickable devices. If I happen to try flashing it with a recent rom, does it get recoverably bricked (fixed by flashing an older rom), or I'm left with a $500 paperweight?
You just need to use the correct firmware version of odin if you manage to get in trouble. Many people flash rom over rom, including myself, but it is highly likely that at some point you will need odin if you are flashing roms so it is best to ensure that you have that set up first. Look for the odin thread by c3popl (sp?) in development forum and you should find what you need. Read through that and look for others with your base firmware. Or look through q&a at the "help I bricked" threads . On my phone and posting links is a pita or I would make it easy for you.
If your phone came with JH7, follow this guide:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10056254&postcount=36
If you use one of the Odin one-clicks and brick your phone, you'll need a USB jig to recover.
You guys are awesome. Thank you newter55 and GGXtreme for this info! I hope I'll never need it, but I'll buy a cable and make a jig.
The news: I've rooted my phone using One Click Root / Unroot by TGA_Gunnman (for the record: it worked with my JH7 Captivate bought in 28 dec). Once I booted windows, installed dotnet framework 4 and the samsung drivers (easy too, but a pita), rooting was easy and failproof. However, someone using linux might find it easier to just download 1-click root, find the root.zip file in there, rename it as update.zip, put the zip in the internal sdcard, boot the phone holding the volume buttons and then 'install packages'. This way there will be no need to fight Wine nor install anything nor look for a windows computer with admin privileges.
Also unlocked my phone using SGS Unlock Tool, available in the Android Market. The unrooted option won't work, but once rooted it worked like a champ. Next step: I'll do the backups, and then... start messing up my new toy!
As you are about to see, I'm new to this.
I have been attempting to root my Captivate. I have tried Galaxy One Click Root and Super One Click 1.7, among others.
My phone won't enter recovery mode. I have tried to install z4root, which the phone blocks. I've tried using sideload wonder machine, which doesn't work either.
I downgraded to 2.1....nothing. Reloaded 2.2....nothing.
Any advice would be helpful at this point, and please be specific, as I am slightly retarded.
It its rumored that Odin one click to jf 6 will actually get rid if the recovery/ download modes, maybe try flashing a cognition ROM
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ryanmahan said:
It its rumored that Odin one click to jf 6 will actually get rid if the recovery/ download modes, maybe try flashing a cognition ROM
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That's not a rumor, it's a fact. Does not happen with all models.
What about full odin to jf6? I personally like to use odin every so often to master clear.
It would explain why superone click wouldnt root my phone lst time i master cleared, too. Ended up installing cwm and flashing straight to rom(which took care of rooting and 3rd party apps)
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What about full odin to jf6? I personally like to use odin every so often to master clear.
It would explain why superone click wouldnt root my phone lst time i master cleared, too. Ended up installing cwm and flashing straight to rom(which took care of rooting and 3rd party apps)
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As I said, I'm slightly retarded. Do you know of a forum with instructions for doing this? Everything else I've tried has just caused a face to appear on my phone's screen laughing at me.
When you use super one click, did you enable usb debugging?
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The captivate is actually an extremely easy root process...
Download this file update.zip
Put it on your internal SD card (internal Memory) not your SD card you can remove
Turn off your phone
Once off hold both volume up and down and hold power until you see the AT&T boot screen then let go of all 3 buttons. You should see recovery mode soon. Select Reinstall Packages, congratulations you are now rooted.
Is that the modded cwm? I think he said he was on 2.2. Regular cwm won't work with froyo(signature verification errors). There is a modded one somewhere on this site that either replaces 3e, our fixed sig on cwm.
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I think he downgraded to 2.1 again which is what you'll need to be on to use the method I described.
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I think he downgraded to 2.1 again which is what you'll need to be on to use the method I described.
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I'm running 2.2
1-Downloaded and installed file update.zip to internal sd. Turned off phone. Tried to enter recovery mode. Got blank screen, att screen, blank screen, att screen, blank screen, etc etc.
2-Tried to install z4root. Blocked by phone. Tried to use sideload wonder machine, which can't detect the phone (in usb debugging mode and mass storage (tried both))
3-Tried Super One Click, which ran but did nothing.
4-Flashed to 2.1 and factory reset. Tried (2) again. Failed. Tried 1-3. Failed.
5-Flashed to a different version of 2.2. Started over. Failed.
I've been using some of the mobile tech videos, but everytime I get to the "Eureka!" phase, my phone just laughs at me.
use odin full version to flash speedmod kernel on 2.2, i even do this on 2.1, but on 2.1 you need the .zip file on the sdcard before you start because the phone will not boot with a 2.2 kernel, only enter recovery.
once on speed mod kernel you can either root and flash a kernel for att roms or flash a new rom without the need to root, the new rom will be rooted.
if you are on 2.2 you will need a computer one way or another, flashing back to stock can be a pain for those with the 3 button problem and it is way more time consuming than flashing a kernel, i have never used the tools out there but i don't know of an easier way than flashing a kernel via odin, especially if you intend to flash a 3rd party rom. also any time you flash a sbl.bin or boot.bin can be a dangerous situation. bad flashes that break the boot loaders aren't common but it causes enough "omg i bricked" threads to keep me from recommending it. there is a odin one click with a 3 button fix, if you use that once it will be fixed untill you flash a rom with odin that changes the bootloaders again. im not sure if there is a .tar stock rom for odin without the bootloader but that would be a good idea if there isn't.
you must not have the right drivers installed.
2.2 cannot be rooted by using an update.zip....you will need to get your drivers working and adb seeing the device....
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I'm running 2.2
1-Downloaded and installed file update.zip to internal sd. Turned off phone. Tried to enter recovery mode. Got blank screen, att screen, blank screen, att screen, blank screen, etc etc.
2-Tried to install z4root. Blocked by phone. Tried to use sideload wonder machine, which can't detect the phone (in usb debugging mode and mass storage (tried both))
3-Tried Super One Click, which ran but did nothing.
4-Flashed to 2.1 and factory reset. Tried (2) again. Failed. Tried 1-3. Failed.
5-Flashed to a different version of 2.2. Started over. Failed.
I've been using some of the mobile tech videos, but everytime I get to the "Eureka!" phase, my phone just laughs at me.
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sounds like you need the 3button fix first. there is an odin stock rom+3button fix, it should take you to 2.1 but you will get recovery mode. if that fixes the recovery mode 3-button combo and the phone boots you can put the rom of your choice on the sd card, then odin flash speedmod kernel and flash the new rom, warning the phone doesn't boot a 2.1 rom with speedmod kernel, i only do this as a faster way to get into cwm recovery, only do that if you intend to flash a rooted rom from 2.1.
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use odin full version to flash speedmod kernel on 2.2, i even do this on 2.1, but on 2.1 you need the .zip file on the sdcard before you start because the phone will not boot with a 2.2 kernel, only enter recovery.
once on speed mod kernel you can either root and flash a kernel for att roms or flash a new rom without the need to root, the new rom will be rooted.
if you are on 2.2 you will need a computer one way or another, flashing back to stock can be a pain for those with the 3 button problem and it is way more time consuming than flashing a kernel, i have never used the tools out there but i don't know of an easier way than flashing a kernel via odin, especially if you intend to flash a 3rd party rom. also any time you flash a sbl.bin or boot.bin can be a dangerous situation. bad flashes that break the boot loaders aren't common but it causes enough "omg i bricked" threads to keep me from recommending it. there is a odin one click with a 3 button fix, if you use that once it will be fixed untill you flash a rom with odin that changes the bootloaders again. im not sure if there is a .tar stock rom for odin without the bootloader but that would be a good idea if there isn't.
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Do you have a suggestion for a stable rom? I don't want to get to the point where I've got it working and throw a terrible third party on it. I'm just looking for device speed and controll over all apps, especially bloatware.
all of the available roms are stable. to be honest TiBu will remove bloat if you want it to.
Try them all and see which one you like. Pretty much all of the custom roms are better than stock. If you like to stay near stock but run more optimized, see Cognition. Otherwise see which one you like more. It's not a hard process if you read up on it.
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Do you have a suggestion for a stable rom? I don't want to get to the point where I've got it working and throw a terrible third party on it. I'm just looking for device speed and controll over all apps, especially bloatware.
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it is hard to go wrong with cognition which is a stock rom with some mods and bloat removed and tethering enabled, that will have the proper kernel and modem for the captivate which for me has great call quality, also the disadvantages of not having hsupa are overblown.
there is also andromeda which is the rom from the armani captivate and is well polished and complete, has some of the more useful samsung apps. this can be used with a 2.2.1 kernel ported from the i9000 for a slight speed boost (shows in benchmarks, may not be detectable in user experience) this has hsupa and is designed for the captivate
i9000 ports are newer 2.2.1 versions and all of the features work now so you may want a newer firmware version from one of those..
there are many 2.2.1 i9000 roms that are fully functional. that is more a matter of feature set and theme preference it is hard to say one is better than the other. id say for stable the speedmod kernel is about the best on an i9000 port, for experimenting with overclock or undervolt i hear that the kernel with paragon is awesome.
now it is odd that you say you flashed a different version of 2.2 but cant get into recovery, was that in odin? can you get download without adb commands?
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im not sure if there is a .tar stock rom for odin without the bootloader but that would be a good idea if there isn't.
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Use this method to flash back to stock. Supposed to be much safer that doesn't mess with the bootloader files. I have been using it for about 3 weeks now to flash back to stock. You CAN however still use the one click odin to master clear once you have flashed back to stock.
Back on topic... I would flash back to 2.1 using the above method and master clear to start fresh with this issue. Once that is done look for mobiletechvideo's 3 button fix video on youtube. But even if you have 3 button issues the Galaxy S one click root program should still get you into recovery. It doesn't always succeed in copying the update.zip file to the internal SD card but you can do that manually and just use the program solely to get into recovery. Make sure you have USB debugging on. After the stock flash and master clear it is off by default and samsung kies is on. You might want to invest in a Jig also since you have 3 button issues, it may save you hide someday.
As far as a good rom goes. Really all the 2.2.1 roms are pretty stable and fast. I'm currently using Continuum 4 with the paragon kernel and it floats and sips battery. If you like the stock look you can use cognition. If you like the green themed gingerbread look you can use Phoenix, Serendipity, Firefly, or Paragon which is my personal fav but hasn't been updated in a month.
Anyways good luck. I'm sure you'll figure it out.
oops, got double posted somehow
Thanks for all your advice and help. I finally got it rooted.
I've tried Cognition 4.3 and Paragon, both of which I liked. I like the appearance of Paragon, but the optimization just doesn't seem to be there. Cognition is great for customization, but I the appearance is just to 'stockish' for me, if that makes sense. Something in between would be nice. (Ideas?)
I plan to try Phoenix Unleashed, but i can't get it to download.
The reason why the programs are having a hard time seeing your cappy is because you need the Serial COM driver available only by installing Samsumg's software: Kies Mini... don't run the program just install it. Once you do this Odin and the Wonder Root program can see the phone. I had this issue.
Here are my doubts: Captivate on 2.2 no root
1)Is andromeda3 and phoenix unleashed based on android 2.2 or 2.3?(recent versions)
2)I used Odin v1.0 to go back to stock,what is the difference betwen Odin 1.0 and Odin 1.7?
3)Are there any other methods to go back to stock, I have read "Use odin 1.0 in case of emergency"?
4)How can I back up my stock rom after root in the case I want to flash back and unroot?
5)Do I need to go back to stock every time I want to flash a different rom?
6)Andromeda3 has a ursa minor kernel do i need this to install there rom or can i just flash the rom without ursa minor?
7)In the phoenix unleashed thread it says to flash there custom rom use odin to go back to stock,does this mean i have to do the whole back to stock+root again?(Staring from scratch in other words)
8)Will flashing rage patch while using andromeda3 or phoenix unleashed mess something up?
I think that's all please put the same number of the question in front of the answer so I know witch answers witch.Thank you in advanced.
Here are my doubts: Captivate on 2.2 no root (Don't doubt the captivate - it can handle it! Isn't autocorrect great?)
1)Is andromeda3 and phoenix unleashed based on android 2.2 or 2.3?(recent versions)
Andromeda3 is 2.2 based, and as much as I can see, so is Phoenix Unleashed.
2)I used Odin v1.0 to go back to stock,what is the difference betwen Odin 1.0 and Odin 1.7?
They're the same program, just different revisions. I can't say what specifically has changed between the two of the, but my guess would be 1.7 would have more features/bug fixes/etc.
3)Are there any other methods to go back to stock, I have read "Use odin 1.0 in case of emergency"?
Going back to stock will consist of using some version of Odin (one-click or otherwise) to reflash the stock rom to your phone
4)How can I back up my stock rom after root in the case I want to flash back and unroot?
From a rom standpoint, there's no need to back up your stock rom, unless you have settings done a specific way you want. Flashing to stock with automatically put you back at a stock, unrooted state. I would recommend doing a nandroid backup from the CWM recovery menu (assuming you have CWM) and copying the EFS folder to a safe location before moving forwards.
5)Do I need to go back to stock every time I want to flash a different rom?
Need to? No. Is it a good idea? There's debate on this, but in general, it's not a bad idea to flash back to stock (relative to where you are - GB/Froyo/Eclair) before flashing a new rom. It will help keep things tidy.
6)Andromeda3 has a ursa minor kernel do i need this to install there rom or can i just flash the rom without ursa minor?
To the best of my knowledge, it is included in the rom - there's nothing to do on your part, as it will flash with the rom.
7)In the phoenix unleashed thread it says to flash there custom rom use odin to go back to stock,does this mean i have to do the whole back to stock+root again?(Staring from scratch in other words)
If you're still on stock Eclair, you do not need to go back to stock. If you're on something else, you will need to go back to stock, but you shouldn't have to root, as most roms now work without being rooted.
8)Will flashing rage patch while using andromeda3 or phoenix unleashed mess something up?
It won't hurt anything - it just covers a security flaw.
I think that's all please put the same number of the question in front of the answer so I know witch answers witch.Thank you in advanced.
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Here are my doubts: Captivate on 2.2 no root (Don't doubt the captivate - it can handle it! Isn't autocorrect great?)
1)Is andromeda3 and phoenix unleashed based on android 2.2 or 2.3?(recent versions)
Andromeda3 is 2.2 based, and as much as I can see, so is Phoenix Unleashed.
2)I used Odin v1.0 to go back to stock,what is the difference betwen Odin 1.0 and Odin 1.7?
They're the same program, just different revisions. I can't say what specifically has changed between the two of the, but my guess would be 1.7 would have more features/bug fixes/etc.
3)Are there any other methods to go back to stock, I have read "Use odin 1.0 in case of emergency"?
Going back to stock will consist of using some version of Odin (one-click or otherwise) to reflash the stock rom to your phone
4)How can I back up my stock rom after root in the case I want to flash back and unroot?
From a rom standpoint, there's no need to back up your stock rom, unless you have settings done a specific way you want. Flashing to stock with automatically put you back at a stock, unrooted state. I would recommend doing a nandroid backup from the CWM recovery menu (assuming you have CWM) and copying the EFS folder to a safe location before moving forwards.
5)Do I need to go back to stock every time I want to flash a different rom?
Need to? No. Is it a good idea? There's debate on this, but in general, it's not a bad idea to flash back to stock (relative to where you are - GB/Froyo/Eclair) before flashing a new rom. It will help keep things tidy.
6)Andromeda3 has a ursa minor kernel do i need this to install there rom or can i just flash the rom without ursa minor?
To the best of my knowledge, it is included in the rom - there's nothing to do on your part, as it will flash with the rom.
7)In the phoenix unleashed thread it says to flash there custom rom use odin to go back to stock,does this mean i have to do the whole back to stock+root again?(Staring from scratch in other words)
If you're still on stock Eclair, you do not need to go back to stock. If you're on something else, you will need to go back to stock, but you shouldn't have to root, as most roms now work without being rooted.
8)Will flashing rage patch while using andromeda3 or phoenix unleashed mess something up?
It won't hurt anything - it just covers a security flaw.
I think that's all please put the same number of the question in front of the answer so I know witch answers witch.Thank you in advanced.
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Thank you this is very informative and what i meant by "Here are my doubts: Captivate 2.2 no root" is that my captivate is on stock 2.2 without root just to be clear.
I got one more question:
Whats is the EFS folder?
Im going to tell you my former situation so you can tell me what I did wrong:
I rooted my phone with super one click at the time
I used rom manager it was also supposed to save a backup of my stock rom
Somewhere in the CWM I was supposed to save the stock rom just in case something went wrong(i thought i did it correctly)
I flashed Cognition everything was great
I wanted to eliminate Cog when i went to CWM to find my back up of stock it didnt work it stayed in Cog
I have read that flashing other roms while having a custom rom isnt recommended that you need to go back to stock first
I was stuck on Cog all i did was update to the most current version
Till last week where i got the guts to use Odin to flash back to stock with some fear i might brick my phone
Now im looking to do it all over but do it right and not mess it up only with different rom
DudeWatsThat said:
Thank you this is very informative and what i meant by "Here are my doubts: Captivate 2.2 no root" is that my captivate is on stock 2.2 without root just to be clear.
I got one more question:
Whats is the EFS folder?
Im going to tell you my former situation so you can tell me what I did wrong:
I rooted my phone with super one click at the time
I used rom manager it was also supposed to save a backup of my stock rom
Somewhere in the CWM I was supposed to save the stock rom just in case something went wrong(i thought i did it correctly)
I flashed Cognition everything was great
I wanted to eliminate Cog when i went to CWM to find my back up of stock it didnt work it stayed in Cog
I have read that flashing other roms while having a custom rom isnt recommended that you need to go back to stock first
I was stuck on Cog all i did was update to the most current version
Till last week where i got the guts to use Odin to flash back to stock with some fear i might brick my phone
Now im looking to do it all over but do it right and not mess it up only with different rom
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It actually doesn't sound like you did anything wrong - you may just be looking for things in the wrong places. The CWM backup, if I am correct, doesn't create a quick-swappable backup of your stock configuration. My understanding of how the nandroid backup works is that it creates a snapshot of the phone with a particular rom in place, so that if something bad happens, you can flash back to a clean version of that rom, apply the nandroid backup, and you'll be right back in business with your custom rom (Again, that's my understanding - someone more knowledgeable may chime in and give a better/more correct explanation).
If you made a backup using CWM, you should have a folder on your internal SD called "clockworkmod/backup", with a folder that has the date of the backup on it. I would copy that to somewhere safe (like your computer). Once you've done that, and assuming your phone is functioning normally as a phone, I would use a root-level file explorer (root explorer, adb pull command, etc.) to get a copy the folder "/efs" on your computer as well. (Take a look at the link in my signature about XDA terms and acronyms for what the EFS folder is).
Once you've done this, if you haven't already done so, back up your applications with Titanium backup. Then use the Odin one-click to get back to stock 2.1 Eclair. You won't have root access at that point, but that is not a problem. Once you're there, just follow the directions for the rom you want to flash - most will install without requiring the root permissions. The AIO captivate toolbox in the development thread is a good tool if you want something to walk you through the installation process (although it should really only be used on Froyo roms at this point).
PLEASE NOTE - THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT: If you are going to flash a Gingerbread-based rom (Mosaic, Apex, etc), please read up and follow all directions extremely carefully. Flashing Gingerbread involves flashing the bootloaders on your phone, and if something happens during that portion of the flashing process, you will have a true hard brick - not a clay (recoverable error state), but a phone that you can't use.
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It actually doesn't sound like you did anything wrong - you may just be looking for things in the wrong places. The CWM backup, if I am correct, doesn't create a quick-swappable backup of your stock configuration. My understanding of how the nandroid backup works is that it creates a snapshot of the phone with a particular rom in place, so that if something bad happens, you can flash back to a clean version of that rom, apply the nandroid backup, and you'll be right back in business with your custom rom (Again, that's my understanding - someone more knowledgeable may chime in and give a better/more correct explanation).
If you made a backup using CWM, you should have a folder on your internal SD called "clockworkmod/backup", with a folder that has the date of the backup on it. I would copy that to somewhere safe (like your computer). Once you've done that, and assuming your phone is functioning normally as a phone, I would use a root-level file explorer (root explorer, adb pull command, etc.) to get a copy the folder "/efs" on your computer as well. (Take a look at the link in my signature about XDA terms and acronyms for what the EFS folder is).
Once you've done this, if you haven't already done so, back up your applications with Titanium backup. Then use the Odin one-click to get back to stock 2.1 Eclair. You won't have root access at that point, but that is not a problem. Once you're there, just follow the directions for the rom you want to flash - most will install without requiring the root permissions. The AIO captivate toolbox in the development thread is a good tool if you want something to walk you through the installation process (although it should really only be used on Froyo roms at this point).
PLEASE NOTE - THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT: If you are going to flash a Gingerbread-based rom (Mosaic, Apex, etc), please read up and follow all directions extremely carefully. Flashing Gingerbread involves flashing the bootloaders on your phone, and if something happens during that portion of the flashing process, you will have a true hard brick - not a clay (recoverable error state), but a phone that you can't use.
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Thanks again
I don't plan on flashing 2.3 roms until the official 2.3 release come out
Theres a Odin that flashes stock 2.2 instead of 2.1 can I use that one instead?
Theres a Odin that flashes stock 2.2 instead of 2.1
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I wasn't aware that existed - could you please provide a link?
Just to point you in the right direction, at the end of the flashing you're currently doing, what rom do you want to have on your phone?
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I wasn't aware that existed - could you please provide a link?
Just to point you in the right direction, at the end of the flashing you're currently doing, what rom do you want to have on your phone?
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Heres the link http://www.mobiletechvideos.com/blog/?page_id=186
The rom i want to use is either Andromeda3,Phoenix Unleashed or just go back to Cognition 4.5.3 or Cog 5 when its not in Beta.
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Heres the link http://www.mobiletechvideos.com/blog/?page_id=186
The rom i want to use is either Andromeda3,Phoenix Unleashed or just go back to Cognition 4.5.3 or Cog 5 when its not in Beta.
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Thanks for the link - good to know about that file.
In my opinion, you would have the best luck going back to stock Eclair (2.1). The reason I say this is because it gives you the cleanest path to getting to the custom Rom you want. 2.1 doesn't have the signed 3e recovery problems that can exist with a 2.2 stock rom, so you'll save yourself a lot of hassle there. Plus, the 2.1 stock rom to custom rom path has been followed hundreds of times on this forum, so it's had the chance to get pretty much all the kinks worked out by this point.
Again, just my opinion.
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Thanks for the link - good to know about that file.
In my opinion, you would have the best luck going back to stock Eclair (2.1). The reason I say this is because it gives you the cleanest path to getting to the custom Rom you want. 2.1 doesn't have the signed 3e recovery problems that can exist with a 2.2 stock rom, so you'll save yourself a lot of hassle there. Plus, the 2.1 stock rom to custom rom path has been followed hundreds of times on this forum, so it's had the chance to get pretty much all the kinks worked out by this point.
Again, just my opinion.
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I would gladly take your advice if it makes everything safer and easier but I upgraded my phone using Kies mini to 2.2 so will using odin to flash back to stock 2.1 cause any problems since its a downgrade from 2.2 to 2.1?
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I would gladly take your advice if it makes everything safer and easier but I upgraded my phone using Kies mini to 2.2 so will using odin to flash back to stock 2.1 cause any problems since its a downgrade from 2.2 to 2.1?
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You shouldn't have any problems with the 2.2-2.1 transition if you use the one click Odin back to stock. The dangerous move is going from 2.3 to any other version, as that involves flashing the bootloaders.
For maximum safety, just include these items on your checklist prior to starting:
- Nandroid backup from CWM
- EFS backup (copying that folder to a safe location)
- Titanium backup of your apps (copy titaniumbackup folder to safe place)
- Back up pictures/music/other items you want to save
Once you've done that, use the one-click Odin to get to a clean stock. From there, you should be good to go with flashing a custom rom. Just make sure you read and follow all directions in the custom roms' post. (If there's nothing there, follow this guide.)
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You shouldn't have any problems with the 2.2-2.1 transition if you use the one click Odin back to stock. The dangerous move is going from 2.3 to any other version, as that involves flashing the bootloaders.
For maximum safety, just include these items on your checklist prior to starting:
- Nandroid backup from CWM
- EFS backup (copying that folder to a safe location)
- Titanium backup of your apps (copy titaniumbackup folder to safe place)
- Back up pictures/music/other items you want to save
Once you've done that, use the one-click Odin to get to a clean stock. From there, you should be good to go with flashing a custom rom. Just make sure you read and follow all directions in the custom roms' post. (If there's nothing there, follow this guide.)
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Eh i got it into download mode and i pressed start on odin but i think its stuck did i have to root first and then use odin im kinda scared right now
Edit:its showing a phone a warning sign and a Pc like connect phone to pc
I know it's nerve racking, but as long as you weren't on a Gingerbread rom, you'll be ok. Rooting isn't required - Odin is automatically "rooted".
A quick questions while you're waiting - When you plugged it in, did Odin recognize a phone was attached (did a yellow text box show up saying COM:4 or something similar)? It should look similar to the attached file.
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I know it's nerve racking, but as long as you weren't on a Gingerbread rom, you'll be ok. Rooting isn't required - Odin is automatically "rooted".
A quick questions while you're waiting - When you plugged it in, did Odin recognize a phone was attached (did a yellow text box show up saying COM:4 or something similar)?
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Eh yes its i managed to trouble shoot it and its reboting everything is ok and yes it did show a yellow text box as of right now i just need to pop in the sym and reboot i have succesfully flashed 2.1 i just need to root and get CWM thru Room manager correct me if im wrong.
I'm not that familiar with Rom manager, but the general idea of getting root (maybe through the super one click root application, or from the CWM recovery menu) and installing CWM recovery (however you need to accomplish that) is the right first steps to getting to a custom rom.
Good luck with the flashing process.
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I'm not that familiar with Rom manager, but the general idea of getting root (maybe through the super one click root application, or from the CWM recovery menu) and installing CWM recovery (however you need to accomplish that) is the right first steps to getting to a custom rom.
Good luck with the flashing process.
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I just rooted now all I need is CWM and thank you for all your help!
Glad it worked out. Don't be afraid to ask more questions in the future, as a reply to a question you've asked could help someone else with the same question out.
Everything you asked about could have been answered by doing some searches and reading up on these items. Invest the time instead of just posting.
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Everything you asked about could have been answered by doing some searches and reading up on these items. Invest the time instead of just posting.
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I did ALOT of searching before thinking of posting this,the reason I did it was because most of the post are from 2010 and I had doubts on if I should use those methods or if there where new ones.This is the Q&A sub-forum right?I did just that ask questions.
Hi Everyone,
I bought ROM Manager Premium v4.5.0.1, in order to do a Nandroid backup on my I896 running stock I896UXJL1.
I ran "Flash ClockworkMod Recovery", and it said my Current Recovery 2.5.1.2 was the same as the Latest Recovery. So far so good.
Then I ran "Backup Current ROM." Instead of doing a backup, it rebooted my phone into Recovery "3e" every time. I tried it many times and got the same result.
This is so confusing. For whatever reason the app decides to boot my phone into recovery instead of doing the backup, I would expect it to at least go into CWM Recovery instead of the stock 3e.
Questions:
1. Has any of you gotten rebooted when you try to do a Nandroid backup?
2. Has any of you gotten rebooted into stock recovery even when CWM is installed?
Thanks.
KK
In general ROM manager is trash for SGS. Don't bother with them. I would say find a kernel with CWM cooked in it but JL1 is a rogers only and I don't know any for that.
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In general ROM manager is trash for SGS. Don't bother with them. I would say find a kernel with CWM cooked in it but JL1 is a rogers only and I don't know any for that.
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froyo wasnt so damn kenel picky. any froyo kernel will work.
Doesn't work with any ROM
I've tried ROM manager after flashing KH3 and KJ3, and the "Reboot into Recovery" still doesn't work. I get the triangle-exclaimation-droid screen with nothing else, and it stays that way until I use the 3-button reboot.
Since the app can't even perform one of the more basic functions, I am afraid to let it do anything else. I wish I hadn't paid for the premium version.
ROM manager doesn't work on Gingerbread..... Rom manager isn't very good for Samsung phones
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I've tried ROM manager after flashing KH3 and KJ3, and the "Reboot into Recovery" still doesn't work. I get the triangle-exclaimation-droid screen with nothing else, and it stays that way until I use the 3-button reboot.
Since the app can't even perform one of the more basic functions, I am afraid to let it do anything else. I wish I hadn't paid for the premium version.
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Stop what you are doing and read. ROM Manager sucks basically. Very few people on here actually use it. If you keep just throwing things at your phone though without knowing what you are doing you are going to end up with a shiny, expensive, paperweight. Then you get to spend upwards of 50$ getting that fixed. So please, for me, the forum, and your phone just read. Or at very least ask a directed, detailed question. As in: my phone is here, im trying to get to there, this is what im doing and this is where and how its failing.
Flashing using an app
I actually did weeks of reading before flashing my phone for the first time. I got scared by potential problems such as USB interruptions.
This is where I am at: I've been using mostly Odin to flash. I have successfully flashed KH3 and then KJ3 (with KF1 bootloaders and Boog's kernel); however, I am still nervous each time I do anything.
This is where I hope (or used to hope) to get to: I keep looking for a way to minimize the probability of human errors and technical hiccups. (It's a habit I've picked up while working as a software manager.)
I went for ROM Manager because the same developer wrote CWM. I do appreciate you guys sharing your opinion of the app's effectiveness with the SGS. I only wish I had been warned sooner (ideally by the app's developer).
Find ODIN packages that don't inlcude bootloaders. That will only minimize your risk to soft bricks wich can be recovered with a jig that are easy to make and only cost ~ $10 if you choose to buy them. I personally use KH3 as my "stock" setting when I need to flash to stock. I use Cezar's KH3 .tar that doesn't include them but there are atleast 1 1 click around.
CWM for Captivate Gingerbread UCKJ2
Sorry in advance for the noob question. I have read many posts but can't find my answer. I've installed the leaked gingerbread rom from Samsung called uckj2. I was trying to change the modem by flashing a zip file using clockworkmod recovery. I've heard the way to do it is by using a kernel that already has cockworkmod already baked in. Which kernel should I use?
Thanks in advance
KJ2 have 3 kernels that should work. Corn kernek, Samurai and Boog's kernel.
hello
im on 2.3.6 now and fancy a change because when i click phone or messages it keeps closing and its starting to do my head in.
which rom should i go for?
could you guys point me in the direction of a good guide were i can flash with odin.
iv flashed both my phones a few times but im still a noob
thanks guys/girls
CyanogenMod (7) was fairly simple to flash and it was my first rom on the phone. I'm currently on Team ICSSGS' rom -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1398223
The latest release was pulled pending wifi fixes, but I'm using it and it's working great for me.
Just need to be rooted and running CWM to flash it.
was looking at that before
ill wait till they fix it and put it back up
how do i flash it.
i dont have a clue i only know how to use odin. and to be honest i think my 3 year old son could work it lol
does anyone know a good rom that i can flash with odin no messingvaround that looks something like this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1460786&highlight=2+3+6
just looking for something a little different but stalble as well
I think for the majority of the roms now you need to be rooted and have CWM installed. CM7 is a very nice rom, and not hard to install. It runs 2.3.7 iirc, and worked great for me.
Wiki for installing:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S:_Full_Update_Guide
i flashed my phone with another rom but didnt like it so i flashed it back to the value pack 2.3.6 jvu and then rooted it with this http://www.androidauthority.com/root-galaxy-s-gt-i9000-android-2-3-6-xxjvu-48441/
but i cant uninstall all the stock apps with super manager app. last time i flashed it i could do it. but didnt use that guild and cant find it now.
so as its not rooted i cant flash with the one you have mentioned
is jvz better?
I never ran 2.3.6, I went right from a stock update at 2.3.1 (iirc) to the 2.3.7 in CM7. You should just install CWM using Odin, do a full backup using Titanium Backup and a Nandroid backup in CWM. Then flash anything you want to try.
Also, for backing up contacts, I've read not to use Titanium, use an SMS/Contacts Backup... Titanium has worked for me though.
Not bothered about backing my stuff up. only need my contacts there on kies
might try a flash with clocks recovery when i get home.
i like the rom im on but i doont have full root access as i cant delete atock apps like i could before. i need to delete them to change file format to exr4. says i dont have room if i don't delete them
I all ready have cwm so do.i.just download the cm7 zip file and extract it on my internal memory card then reboot into cwm and flash
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Flashed it but it runs really really skow looks good tho.
search continues ha ha
Kies still connects to your phone with custom roms and such? I was lucky if it worked with the stock firmwares.
Did you do a full data wipe? CM7 ran pretty quick on my phone. Maybe try SetCPU to speed things up a little.
Titanium with root access can remove stock apps too.
ye i did a full wipe.
i tried clocking it to 1200 and still ran slow.
ICS ran a little slow as well.
flashed a few now with cwm getting quite addictive.
would like to try a few more but mega uploads comes up with some security thing saying its been removed blah blah blah
MegaUpload was shut down a little while ago now. Should be lots of Roms listed in the forums here, with active downloads I would hope.