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Movies on the N1...filesizes!

Since the N1's resolution is pretty much full DVD res, are there any tricks out there besides watching a non-full screen movie to minimize the filesizes? I'm using handbrake and even with 50% quality movies come out at about 1GB a piece...
Using H.264. Any tricks?
Thanks.
-Mike

You need to reduce the bits per second. I've used handbrake, but I usually use SlySoft's DVDmobile. I get excellent results with file sizes between 500-700MB.

Just get Format Factory and use the default settings for HTC. I've been using that and my file sizes come out smaller than the original and quality is excellent. This was discussed in a thread just a month or two ago.

You can try Mp4forHD that was developed by Jandre here on XDA-Devs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478050
You can use the HD settings to produce an mp4 file that gallery3D can read without problem.

Thanks guys. I thought the quality setting in handbrake was VBR and would shrink the size more than it did, but I'll look into setting a hard limit.
Thanks for the heads up on those other programs to.
-Mike

The percentage encode option in Handbrake, despite being their preferred method, doesn't make any sense to me as it's too subjective based on the quality of the input file.
Alternatively, break out the calculator and work out what bitrate you need to use to get x size.
Just use the "target size" option instead. It's not "correct" but it's easy and you know what you're going to get.
You can also try WinFF if you want something really no-frills that gets the job done. It supports multithreaded encoding (pretty sure HandBrake does too). I belive the 64bit version of handbrake is noticably quicker if your hardware support it (which it will).

use DVD shrink and then convert in handbrake. Normal movie sizes are 500-600k after DVD shrink

any free software for mac that can do this?

xXJay_RXx said:
any free software for mac that can do this?
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Handbreak works on Macs too.
http://handbrake.fr/downloads.php

i use handbrake at ~700-800b/s, good enough for me

I use handbreak and select "target size" for 700MB , quality is good. For music videos i do constant quality RF 23 most of the time it works well , occasional video needs extra tweaking.

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Handbreak works on Macs too.
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If I'm not ripping a DVD but want to convert a movie to MP4 with h.264 I use iSquint on the Mac and go for Optimize for TV setting.

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Handbreak works on Macs too.
http://handbrake.fr/downloads.php
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yea but the past few times i tried on mac, i really couldn't figure out how to use it. still dunno how to use it. cant find out how to rip a dvd using it

saint327 said:
Since the N1's resolution is pretty much full DVD res, are there any tricks out there besides watching a non-full screen movie to minimize the filesizes? I'm using handbrake and even with 50% quality movies come out at about 1GB a piece...
Using H.264. Any tricks?
Thanks.
-Mike
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Don't use H.264. I use anydvd to rip any dvd on the fly with dvdshrink to .iso files, then I use handbrake to make .mp4 copies for my phones. My Nexus gets files about 330mb and my Magic get movies that work perfectly at about 170mb. Adjust video output for each target device, maintaining aspect ration of the original movie.

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attn1 said:
Don't use H.264. I use anydvd to rip any dvd on the fly with dvdshrink to .iso files, then I use handbrake to make .mp4 copies for my phones. My Nexus gets files about 330mb and my Magic get movies that work perfectly at about 170mb. Adjust video output for each target device, maintaining aspect ration of the original movie.
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Good job sherlock. When you're using Handbrake, you ARE encoding to H.264. Derp.
H.264 is best since the phone has a hardware decoder for it.

I'm confused. I dl a movie online and its usually about 700mb or like 1500mb which I guess is higher quality? I think the nexus can playback 720p but I don't know how to know if I'm playing a 720p video, so what are you guys watching that you can cut them in half to 700? My ignorant assumption is that 700 is DVD quality and 1400+ is HD? I've also seen torrents that were like 6,000mb so I'm not sure what if anything about the file's quality can be determined from its size.

great info. can someone suggest a movie player?

AndroidPerson said:
I'm confused. I dl a movie online and its usually about 700mb or like 1500mb which I guess is higher quality? I think the nexus can playback 720p but I don't know how to know if I'm playing a 720p video, so what are you guys watching that you can cut them in half to 700? My ignorant assumption is that 700 is DVD quality and 1400+ is HD? I've also seen torrents that were like 6,000mb so I'm not sure what if anything about the file's quality can be determined from its size.
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The higher the filesize, the greater the resolution, video bitrate, audio channels, or audio bitrate.
Just because you have a higher filesize movie doesn't mean you necessarily have better quality. If you're watching movies using the screen on the nexus, why would you ever need to make sure it's 720p? Granted, it'd look better on an HD screen, but on the nexus 800x480 screen it's just not needed.

[Q] Issue with Samsung internal memory - Fat32 Limits files to 4 GB in size

Is there any way to convert the internal memory from FAT32 to EXT3\4?
Its great that we have 13 gigs usable memory on the internal NAND, but with it formatted as FAT, I can not store files larger than 4 GB in size.
** Please No Discussion of reasons for large files on internal SD. **
** No Discussion on 720P vs 480P **

Is there really a need to have any single file larger than 4GB?

stuclark said:
Is there really a need to have any single file larger than 4GB?
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Definitely YES: 720p films

stuclark said:
Is there really a need to have any single file larger than 4GB?
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Lets not highjack this thread with the relevance of large files. Perhaps I am using my phone as a USB drive and I work with large files.
Can anyone with information relevant to the topic chime in ?

supercurio from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=748880&page=11 appears to be having a lot of luck with doing almost exactly this.

RyanZA said:
supercurio from this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=748880&page=11 appears to be having a lot of luck with doing almost exactly this.
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Hrmmm, the link is to the lag fix... I seen quite a few posting of EXT3\4 partitions but they exist on the microsd card and not internal ( if I understand the directions correctly).
Thanks for your input Ryan.

They've almost finished mounting ext4 on internal memory(not using images etc, actually formating them) in Korea, people are testing it now. I think there are posts about that here too.
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Oops, seems that I missread the article. What i meant was 1.8gb program memory...
By the way, ext4 can't be used from windows os, you know. May be exFAT could be solution
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They've almost finished mounting ext4 on internal memory(not using images etc, actually formating them) in Korea, people are testing it now. I think there are posts about that here too.
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Oops, seems that I missread the article. What i meant was 1.8gb program memory...
By the way, ext4 can't be used from windows os, you know. May be exFAT could be solution
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Does anyone have information on our partitions are mounted? Is this done by script at boot time?

Maybe your better off buying an external SD card and formatting it to EXT 3/4?
Just throwing it out there..

MrCeddy said:
Is there any way to convert the internal memory from FAT32 to EXT3\4?
Its great that we have 13 gigs usable memory on the internal NAND, but with it formatted as FAT, I can not store files larger than 4 GB in size.
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yes, i'm using ext4

Qazz~ said:
Maybe your better off buying an external SD card and formatting it to EXT 3/4?
Just throwing it out there..
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Agreed.... a 16 GB micro SD can be had for < $30 nowadays. It's not even worth thinking about IMO.

kungufli said:
Definitely YES: 720p films
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Why put a full 720P file on the phone? By definition 720P is 1280×720 pixels. The displays on our phones are only 800x480 pixels. You will see absolutely no gain in playing a 720P video, over a much smaller, converted video running at the native resolution. And you'll save battery life as well because the system doesn't have to down-convert the media to something it can show.
So, I am going to have to back up:
stuclark said:
Is there really a need to have any single file larger than 4GB?
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Electroz said:
Why put a full 720P file on the phone? By definition 720P is 1280×720 pixels. The displays on our phones are only 800x480 pixels. You will see absolutely no gain in playing a 720P video, over a much smaller, converted video running at the native resolution. And you'll save battery life as well because the system doesn't have to down-convert the media to something it can show.
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Movies to play over tvout/dlna, huge pdf files, large packet captures, dvd iso, 5GB file filled with NULL.
Does it really matter? The man wants the capability, hence the question.

Electroz said:
Why put a full 720P file on the phone? By definition 720P is 1280×720 pixels. The displays on our phones are only 800x480 pixels. You will see absolutely no gain in playing a 720P video, over a much smaller, converted video running at the native resolution. And you'll save battery life as well because the system doesn't have to down-convert the media to something it can show.
So, I am going to have to back up:
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maybe because you don't want to spend time converting the movie file. as smb else said, doesnt matter the reason behind, let's just find out if it is possible.
Btw, please smb enlighten me: I have formatted an SD with ext2/3 file system and SGS did not recognize it, returning error: SD card damaged or in an unknown format.
How can I format an SD in ext2/3 and to use it in SGS for large file transport? I believe I am missing smth, since lot of persons are talking about it. And yes, I did try to search a bit..

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5GB file filled with NULL.
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K, you got me!
But, the point of my post was to point out the flaw of the video file thing. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people that do think 720P would look better than 480P on our phones. I remember a discussion with someone complaining that the SGS doesn't do 1080P. Now, the DNLA does make sense. But, as for the TV out, there is no hi-def tv out option available for our phones that I have seen tested. Samsung does have a microusb to hdmi, but I have not seen any proof that it is compatible with our phones.

Electroz said:
K, you got me!
But, the point of my post was to point out the flaw of the video file thing. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people that do think 720P would look better than 480P on our phones. I remember a discussion with someone complaining that the SGS doesn't do 1080P. Now, the DNLA does make sense. But, as for the TV out, there is no hi-def tv out option available for our phones that I have seen tested. Samsung does have a microusb to hdmi, but I have not seen any proof that it is compatible with our phones.
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yes, you got a real point here. But rather than converting any >4GB 720p movie file, which takes time, I would rather prefer to copy it directly to my SD and see it from there with all the downsides that come with it.
So how do we do this?

brunes said:
Agreed.... a 16 GB micro SD can be had for < $30 nowadays. It's not even worth thinking about IMO.
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In order for me to have 32GB of useful space the internal 16 GB must also work with all file sizes.
If its not worth thinking about please don't fill the thread with your negativity, take it elsewhere.

fearmonkey said:
Movies to play over tvout/dlna, huge pdf files, large packet captures, dvd iso, 5GB file filled with NULL.
Does it really matter? The man wants the capability, hence the question.
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Thank you. Instead of speculating of the possible uses. Please answer the question only with RELEVANT data. That how we prevent simple questions from turning into a 80 page 500,000 view count thread.

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K, you got me!
But, the point of my post was to point out the flaw of the video file thing.
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Even if it is a valid point, it's completely irrelevant to this thread.

If you connect the phone to your pc in kies mode, you can put larger than 4gb files on the internal memory. When connected in this mode properly the phone will show up in My Computer under "other devices" as a GT-I9000. You can then open the phone and from there go into either the internal or external sd memory. When you copy a >4GB mkv movie over it will give you a warning "this media type may not be playable on the device" which you can ignore. The file is then split/transferred to the phone by the Kies background service. When it is finished it shows as one file but is really 2. It takes a bit of time as the transfer speed is slow (~8mbps) and it has to split the file as well. But considering Samsung put in drag and drop encoding that gets around the FAT32 limitations I'm pretty impressed.

Play videos on Nook Color in full screen

My girl friend have a nook color, We are going to travel, i have some video and want to play them on my gf's nook color, but i donot know what format nook color support, and can play them in full screen.
i google and found some people convert videos to mp4 854*480 can play them in full scream, is it true? the nook color no here I can't test, everyone can help me thanks.

Hi, use Handbrake and a profile from this thread. 100% working.
Regs,
Maciej

apxf8888 said:
My girl friend have a nook color, We are going to travel, i have some video and want to play them on my gf's nook color, but i donot know what format nook color support, and can play them in full screen.
i google and found some people convert videos to mp4 854*480 can play them in full scream, is it true? the nook color no here I can't test, everyone can help me thanks.
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I've had great results with a program called DVD Catalyst. It's just $10.00 and I've used it to has flawlessly and quickly (well, about 40 minutes per movie) convert some 90 of my DVDs for playback on my Nook Color.
Google DVD Catalyst and you'll find the site.

thanks everyone, I already convert my test video via my own software, but i do not know if can watch on nook color full screen, everyone can test it for me.
here is the video files: http://uploading.com/files/2ef1d977/nookcolor854x480.mp4

If you don't want to convert just use Moboplayer, it's free. It has options to change the ratio or stretch the screen.

dsf3g said:
I've had great results with a program called DVD Catalyst. It's just $10.00 and I've used it to has flawlessly and quickly (well, about 40 minutes per movie) convert some 90 of my DVDs for playback on my Nook Color.
Google DVD Catalyst and you'll find the site.
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Tip of the day
Just downloaded Catalyst and ripped a DVD, with subtitles and audio.
Catalyst has built-in presets for a lot of devices, including Nook Color, so converting to mp4 was so easy.
It plays perfectly on my Nook, great quality!

also the guy who made DVD Catalyst is a great guy, I was more than happy to support him by buying it and you should do the same if you can (it's great for all mobile devices and is often updated)

apxf8888 said:
thanks everyone, I already convert my test video via my own software, but i do not know if can watch on nook color full screen, everyone can test it for me.
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He just hope someone can help test the video can watch on nook color in full screen, he not need a software.
I am sorry, I have no nook color, can any body test it.

The linked video plays fine with the stock NC Gallery player. No special player is needed and you don't even need to root the NC to play it.
Note that the NC automatically scales video to fullscreen. You do not have to encode at 854x480 to fill the screen. Upscaling video to encode is generally not recommended (larger file without better quality). Unless your source is larger than 854x480, you should encode for the NC at the same resolution as the source.

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If you don't want to convert just use Moboplayer, it's free. It has options to change the ratio or stretch the screen.
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And if you want the audio to sync use VitalPlayer Neon.

razmajazz said:
The linked video plays fine with the stock NC Gallery player. No special player is needed and you don't even need to root the NC to play it.
Note that the NC automatically scales video to fullscreen. You do not have to encode at 854x480 to fill the screen. Upscaling video to encode is generally not recommended (larger file without better quality). Unless your source is larger than 854x480, you should encode for the NC at the same resolution as the source.
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I have an Panasonic HDC-TM700, i Record some .mts videos. can play them on nook color, I need to convert it?

apxf8888 said:
I have an Panasonic HDC-TM700, i Record some .mts videos. can play them on nook color, I need to convert it?
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probably need to convert.

chisleu said:
probably need to convert.
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what's the best format for nook color, when i convert .mts files

apxf8888 said:
what's the best format for nook color, when i convert .mts files
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.mp4 works the best.

liqn7 said:
.mp4 works the best.
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I had convert my .mts files to mp4, here is the file's link: http://uploading.com/files/649m2ad4/00025.mp4/
everyone can help me test it, can it work great on nook color

razmajazz said:
The linked video plays fine with the stock NC Gallery player. No special player is needed and you don't even need to root the NC to play it.
Note that the NC automatically scales video to fullscreen. You do not have to encode at 854x480 to fill the screen. Upscaling video to encode is generally not recommended (larger file without better quality). Unless your source is larger than 854x480, you should encode for the NC at the same resolution as the source.
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I have a video less than 854 * 480 shot by my cell phone. I want to know if I upscale my 320*240 video to 854 * 480 to play on Nook Color, does the quality will be okay? Thanks for the help!

apxf8888 said:
I have a video less than 854 * 480 shot by my cell phone. I want to know if I upscale my 320*240 video to 854 * 480 to play on Nook Color, does the quality will be okay? Thanks for the help!
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It was already mentioned by razmajazz here, but if the resolution is less than 854x480, there's no need to upscale--you'll only get a larger file-size, not a better picture. That is, unless you're working with a really great source and doing some very intensive preprocessing in AVIsynth or something AND doing a really great job of reencoding afterwards--and at these resolutions, all that work is not likely to be noticeable in the slightest. The Nook's/player's real-time upscaling should effectively be just as good, realistically (I don't yet own one).

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.. no need to upscale--you'll only get a larger file-size, not a better picture.
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Not sure about that. Agree that re-encoding to higher resolution from same 320x240 source pointless, but as long as video bit rate held constant file size should be pretty much identical.

MedLine said:
Not sure about that. Agree that re-encoding to higher resolution from same 320x240 source pointless, but as long as video bit rate held constant file size should be pretty much identical.
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Yes, very true. I should have said:
* @ same bit-rate, you'll get approx the same file size, but the chances of having any visual improvement over real-time upscaling @ playback, without intense effort, is approximately zero, whereas applying another level of lossy compression resulting in qualitative visual quality loss is in the range of 1 to 0 inclusive.
* @ higher bit-rate, you'll get a larger file size, and still unlikely to have any visual benefit without heavy pre-processing, and again the chances of applying another level of lossy compression resulting in qualitative visual loss is in the range of 1 to 0 inclusive.
* @ lower bit-rate, you'll have a smaller, very likely lower-quality file, with the chances of any potential benefit in picture somewhere in the range 0 to very large values of zero, and benefit of lower file size between 0 and 1 inclusive.
I think that covers it.

Thunderbolt video watching

Hello there,
actually i don't have to watch videos on my Thunderbolt, i got television and computer, don't go out much so i have almost every entire day to stay home and watch things on big tv screen. But i notice that the stand with Thunderbolt seems to be designed for users viewing pages and watching videos in a more comfortable way, so i come up with the idea of watching some videos with my thunderbolt.
Then i did some dvd ripping things, and i got a question that i don't know which video format is better for thunderbolt, i tried mp4 with H.264 and common mp4 formats, the former one has a bigger video size but the point is i can't see any difference between those two video formats, i mean, since there are so close in picture and audio quality, i guess then everyone will prefer mp4 rather than mp4 with H.264, then why do those engineers develop mp4 with H.264? and i'm not sure which video format is best for Thunderbolt actually, so any reply will be appreciated.

I'm really liking this theme...Sorry I can't be of any help but you might get better luck if you posted on the right section.

On a screen the size of the thunderbolt, it really doesnt matter which format. its your preference but for space size I use the standard mp4...

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I'm really liking this theme...Sorry I can't be of any help but you might get better luck if you posted on the right section.
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Where is the right section?

Jrocker23 said:
On a screen the size of the thunderbolt, it really doesnt matter which format. its your preference but for space size I use the standard mp4...
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That's exactly what i was thinking before...
Never mind, i just got this curiosity before, and now i'm done with it. Thx for replying

Video Encoding Suggestions...

Hello everybody. I am going out of town next week for business and wanted to be able to take some movies and shows that I have downloaded with me to play on my tab 2 7.0. They are 720p MKV files and I was thinking about reencoding them to try to shrink the file size down a bit. I know just lowering the res will help do that some but any other thoughts on file type bit rate ect?
I want to maintain as good a quality as I can but lower the file size. The original files look and play great but are a bit big, I only have a 16gb microSD. Thanks for any tips, I'm sure some of you have some experience with this.
Thanks!

I use avs video converter. The filesize is about 800MB for 2 hours of non-HD video. It's easy and works well. You can start multiple sessions.
BTW - I have not used many others.

Are there specific settings you use? A profile for the tab?
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try out ripbot264 its a great free little app try the iphone profile
the tablet is pretty decent with media files although I prefer AAC audio for its efficiency at lower bit rates, we dont need 5.1
bit rate is a bit of a Q really, try CRF and try some numbers till your find a decent trade off between quality and size

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Are there specific settings you use? A profile for the tab?
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Here you go.....See attached...

I use xVid4PSP 5 they have a bunch of tablet options, none specifically for the gtab 2 but you can easily pick one according to the res. If you dont absolutely have to have stunning clarity, the psp settings work really well, you will only notice the res difference if you look closely. Some movies I've been able to get down to about 300mb and still look good. But xvid does a good job of retaining clarity and reducing file size while not allowing it to be anamorphic. Just my two cents!

h.264 will give much better results than xvid though, best to use that if you can

may I suggest a better alternative?
get a 32GB microSD card. I just randomly looked on Amazon and they have
a nice Sandisk 32GB microSD for only $20, delivered.(assuming you have
Prime, if not add a couple of bucks for shipping) $20 is nothing.... it's
less than two movie tickets.
you instantly double your storage capacity without the need to waster hours
trying to shrink your 720p mkv files. (but if you still want to shrink them,
your new 32GB will hold twice as many movies!) At 800mb per movie,
that card will hold almost 40 movies! Probably enough time to circle the
globe in a 747.
better yet, if you can spare $69, you can get a Sandisk 64GB microSDXC
card that has been proven to work on the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0. I personally saw
it working on my friend's GT2 7.0. All he did was put the card in the reader,
formatted it to FAT32 via a PC, then inserted the card back to the GT2 7.0.
Now that's a LOT of storage for movies.

Since this isn't specific to phones, I'm moving it to off-topic to see if you can get any help in there.
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