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[Q] Dual boot?

I was wondering if dual booting would be possible on our phone? I've seen that the HD2 got winmo + android boot... But having some kind of Stable partition and a second "dev" one would be quite amazing...
Thanks!

I asked the same question, and my post was moved to Q and A. Most responses were that WinMo is not worthy of the hardware. WP7 didn't attract quite the same disdain.
I would really love to run WP7 on the captivate, and I think eventually someone will make it happen. I think WinMo would run amazingly smooth, but I doubt we'll ever find out.
The HD2 won't quite run android ROMs, you have to boot into WinMo, then restart in Android, but it is really easy to swap what "ROM" you are using. If the HD2 was capable of AT&T 3G, I would have one by now.
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Yes please to WP7 on Captivate. If nothing else i want to be able to run it for a few days to see how I like that new software. And check out the Xbox Live integration

yes, i only have one phone but would like to learn to do some basic development and it would be nice to have a stable rom to switch back to on the fly. i've had problems using nandroid and titanium backup. if anyone knows of a way to change to or add a secondary boot loader so multiple os's can be launched that would be awesome.
minmo might be a bit impractical but multiple android installations would be cool sweet.

Ok.. well get a checklist started on what you would need:
A custom bootloader that would work with the Captivate.. And I'm sure people would want the choice to pick the OS upon bootup instead of having to go into the recovery screen and booting up from there.
It would also have to be compatible with working Android and Win7
Someone would then have to find the source code to Win7 - or at least the SDK for it and develop in whatever language its written in.
Then someone would have to code the drivers for the Captivate and Win7 mobile.
Pretty much.. it wouldn't be any type of "take n' bake" task and would be quite the project involving a ton of work.
I'm sure someone out there in the world will come up with it.. I mean someone took the time to port Android to the iPhone - so it "could" happen.. but most likely won't due to the huge amount of work it will take.

avgjoegeek said:
Ok.. well get a checklist started on what you would need:
A custom bootloader that would work with the Captivate.. And I'm sure people would want the choice to pick the OS upon bootup instead of having to go into the recovery screen and booting up from there.
It would also have to be compatible with working Android and Win7
Someone would then have to find the source code to Win7 - or at least the SDK for it and develop in whatever language its written in.
Then someone would have to code the drivers for the Captivate and Win7 mobile.
Pretty much.. it wouldn't be any type of "take n' bake" task and would be quite the project involving a ton of work.
I'm sure someone out there in the world will come up with it.. I mean someone took the time to port Android to the iPhone - so it "could" happen.. but most likely won't due to the huge amount of work it will take.
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At least there's a Samsung Omnia 7. It has a 4" SAMOLED like ours. I hope it has more in common with us as well so it would make the process easier.

JayPhill89 said:
At least there's a Samsung Omnia 7. It has a 4" SAMOLED like ours. I hope it has more in common with us as well so it would make the process easier.
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if winmo gets ported great, if not oh well, if you read the op it was not to get winmo but just used the hd2 as an example of dual boot on a phone. a boot loader is a starting point so can the topic go in that direction? i just dont want naysayers to get confused and tell us every reason we wont get or dont want winmo.

You cannot just take the source code for WP7. It is not open source. You can port android to things, but not the other way around.

nbs11 said:
You cannot just take the source code for WP7. It is not open source. You can port android to things, but not the other way around.
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As Dani897 said, the thread is not about porting WP7 to our phone, but just having dual boot to be able to have (lets say) one stable rom and one dev rom on the same phone...

seriously want this to happen figure it out

[Unofficial][ROM]CM7.1 Port to DS7....work in progress

This thread is in regard to the unofficial development of the Cyangonmod 7.1 for the Dell Streak 7. Absoluetelly nothing works. So a lot of work needs to be done.
First git the entire Cyangonmod 7.1 tree from them, and then drop these files into the device/dell/streak7 folder
http://www.mediafire.com/?q1w57v797u9p953
This rips the files from a stock Android 2.2 image, so you need to make sure that you are at a stock 2.2 image. My next goal is to upgrade to a stock HC and try making the scripts for that and see if it gets me closer.
As of right now, it boots "Dell" logo, then goes to the black screen with "ANDROID" on it, and that is as far as I can get it.
Look at the files, and let me know what changes I should make and in what script.

Driver wise, I believe you might be better off trying to backport the stock HC drivers.
GB <-> HC/ICS are more similar then eclair/froyo <-> GB in respect to drivers.
That's the reason it took half a year to hack together GB for the s5 and why it only tooks weeks to hack froyo from eclair
Rumor has it that dell attempted to port GB to the s7 before giving up, they lost a couple months at Q12011 doing that and likely scrapped everything, then they restarted on porting 3.1 then moved to 3.2 and that's why the summer was pretty quiet and why the S5 prob got no updates all summer
I dont have any substantial evidence to back any of it up, but the timelines all line up far too nicely, dell prob has only a single team for the s5/7/venue, the s10 is done by a different company.

Yeah, I am thinking I am going to try that direction next. Got a list of all the libs, now just need to re-write the scripts.

CM 7.1, Is that gonna be Honeycomb based?

Mysticales said:
CM 7.1, Is that gonna be Honeycomb based?
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CM7 is Gingerbread...

Nice, gonna check this out once it arrives
You should have killed me, when you had the chance

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CM 7.1, Is that gonna be Honeycomb based?
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Cm never did honeycomb because google never released source

I've pulled a list of all the files I need to work with, now will be the time consuming part of checking the scripts to see if they are already listed and then adding the ones that are not listed.

Not to sound negative, but with Dell having released the official HC build and so, would people really use Gingerbread on their tablet?

Mysticales said:
Not to sound negative, but with Dell having released the official HC build and so, would people really use Gingerbread on their tablet?
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I'm doing this for the same reason any hacker does anything.
For the sheer f*** of doing it.
Currently I am working on building a tegra2 2.6.35 gingerbread kernel.

Hypothetically, if he can get GB to actually work (and by work i mean functional with all the hardware functioning properly) he'll be a dozen steps closer to being able to port over to ICS.
I cant say that it would ultimately lead to ICS, but the documentation generated would help a lot (assuming it's all documented lol)

Documentation......I knew I was forgetting something.
Well, the easy steps right now will be as soon as I get it to boot using CM7.1, i will figure out how to git it up to Cyangonmod and have them review it. Currently I got the information I need to port to CM7.1, its just a matter of plugging that information in. The problem I am wondering is that the current kernel in their directory, I have no idea who built it or what it contains.
Building a working kernel is very tough since I have never done it before. Nvidia does have a Tegra 2 Gingerbread image built and a Tegra 2 Gingerbread kernel build available, its just a matter of me figuring out how to get them to work because I have never done this before.
So this usually consists of me doing the following
1. Run 'make -j4'
2. Get error
3. Research error
4. Attempt some fixes
5. Repeat step 1-4

The s7 is really similar the nvidia's vendeta reference board, and I think that's what dell tried to base their GB attempt off of.
(Also what cpu are you using? -j4 is small unless you're compiling on a laptop or something)

TheManii said:
The s7 is really similar the nvidia's vendeta reference board, and I think that's what dell tried to base their GB attempt off of.
(Also what cpu are you using? -j4 is small unless you're compiling on a laptop or something)
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Actually it is the ventana (tegra 2 250) board as far as I can tell.
I've got a couple files that say 'init.ventana.rc' on them, plus 'init.streak7.rc'. These were pulled from the ~/ directory
I am in contact with Nvidia in regard to some questions I have but haven't heard from them in a week, they are probably slammed with questions all the time.

Just wanted to say, that nice to see someone interested and capable in doing something for streak7. keep up mate
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giveen said:
I'm doing this for the same reason any hacker does anything.
For the sheer f*** of doing it.
Currently I am working on building a tegra2 2.6.35 gingerbread kernel.
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Oh dont get me wrong, Its cool that you do that, its the same reason I mess around. I guess its just with Steve working on Honeystreak R8+ and ICS. Just was a wonder how many would use GB.
Too bad one can dual boot. Like have HC on Nand, and boot into a diff Android build on SD. Why would this be cool? Cause honestly.. sometimes HC can suck, least when it comes to mass storage mode. I could see myself using a dual boot at times to boot in GB with my streak 7. =)

the dell streak 7 has a Nvidia Harmony broad also could you not use cm7 Advent Vega as a base

Yes, I have looked into it, and in fact I've stolen lots of information from that build and put into into the build system I am working on.

So before I go on a holiday break, a bit of an update.
Bad News:
I started all over and started working my scripts. Currently its having a problem with my 'recovery.fstab'. Its saying its not there, but I FREAKIN KNOW ITS THERE!!!!!! and its written correctly in my scripts.
Good News:
Two successfull zImages built, one based off of Nvidia's 2.3 stuff combined with DJ_Steve's configuration, probably won't boot because its missing some drivers.
And the other is a DJ_Steve's HC kernel, but I asked him to check over some errors I got, even though it successfully built.
The reason why I built new zImages is because I couldnt' verify who created the kernel file in the github. The label on the folder was 'koush' but I asked him and he said he did not build it, so I have no idea who started the project, hence why I decided to build a new one.
So AFTER I figure out the recovery.fstab error, I will try out both of my new kernels and see which one does the job.
After I take a break.

I got several errors out of the way but....
The CM7 build is on hold, indefinitely. I am currently helping out with the ICS build and it takes a lot of my time and also taking care of my pregnant wife and two children. With the release of ICS, I might not even bother with it after this. And if I do, it will be a casual effort.
I see working on the ICS build as the assistant to a very talented ROM developer a a huge learning process and it is actually helping me become much better at making ROM's.

[Q]What mods, roms, and OS's should I look into?

I will be getting a TouchPad in the next few days for around 100$, and I was wondering what kind of stuff I should look into if I just simply refuse to use it stock.
I have plenty of experience with Android Roms, and have done quite a number on my Nook Color, Milestone X (The non-Verizon Droid X), and my old HTC Hero.
But after browsing these forums and sub-forums a bit, I realized that there are just so many different choices when it comes to what your TouchPad is running.
I have seen Ubuntu and many different versions of linux, android, windows, and even just enhancing webOS.
What are the best choices and resources to get stared with? So I don't turn my new tablet into a cutting board.

LOL Cutting board...Nice
As far as Android is concerned we have CM9...which is pretty awesome...most nightlies are very stable...they have all the main mods and features....then we have AOKP, which is a kang on CM9 and we have other similar roms..most of them are kanged from CM9....There is ClassicNerd rom, which is not kanged from CM9, its faster but less features...
You can find most stuff related to Android or ubuntu dev here or rootzwiki...
WebOS enhancement can found here http://forums.webosnation.com/

Thanks, Viny.
Do you think you could point me in the direction of where I can get this "HP Doctor" thing explained?

grizzbud said:
Thanks, Viny.
Do you think you could point me in the direction of where I can get this "HP Doctor" thing explained?
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Buddy, for all the tweaks and mods for Webos, read this guide it has links to webOS doctor and easy instructions on how to use it..

I'm pretty curious about the Touchpad too. They're not as cheap here in europe, but I found a 32GB model for 260 Euros. I've fallen in love with the glossy black surfaces already and I'm dying to get my hands on one.
Is it a good idea? I'm dying to try out WebOS but at the same time, wanting to experience Android on a tablet. So this sounds like a perfect device.
What functionality do I gain if I load CM9 onto it as well? Can I attach external storage devices or a mouse via USB?

GigiAUT said:
I'm pretty curious about the Touchpad too. They're not as cheap here in europe, but I found a 32GB model for 260 Euros. I've fallen in love with the glossy black surfaces already and I'm dying to get my hands on one.
Is it a good idea? I'm dying to try out WebOS but at the same time, wanting to experience Android on a tablet. So this sounds like a perfect device.
What functionality do I gain if I load CM9 onto it as well? Can I attach external storage devices or a mouse via USB?
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with CM9/android, you get whole lot f functionality man. CM9/ICS on touchpad has most of the functionality except camera..and some audio issues...Once you go android, u might not go back to webos....

I highly recommend AOKP and ArchLinuxARM.
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What's the difference between AOKP and CM 9? I've installed CM9 and I'm pretty amazed so far. Just the problem with the much, webcam, and some, sound issues but otherwise, I love it.
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HP Touchpad or not

I have oportunity to buy new and very cheap HP Touchpad 16GB.
Here are my doubts:
1. I do not know at the moment how it goes with implementation of Android on it so any suggestion about this issue from you is welcome.
2. How good is WebOS for end users and also does it have any apps for kids like educational games and similar, and do i have to pay for them ???
3. Support of Qualcom 3g USB modem and it possibilities to connect via 3g network.
4. battery life experience under WebOS and Android.
i need help ASAP because offer is running out.
Regards,

janeku said:
I have oportunity to buy new and very cheap HP Touchpad 16GB.
Here are my doubts:
1. I do not know at the moment how it goes with implementation of Android on it so any suggestion about this issue from you is welcome.
2. How good is WebOS for end users and also does it have any apps for kids like educational games and similar, and do i have to pay for them ???
3. Support of Qualcom 3g USB modem and it possibilities to connect via 3g network.
4. battery life experience under WebOS and Android.
i need help ASAP because offer is running out.
Regards,
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The answers to every one of those questions is in the forum and there are several threads with practically the same questions. Please take the time to learn to SEARCH for your answers. You will always learn more if you look for info yourself rather than it just being handed to you
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All I will say is that you will love your TouchPad running ICS.

janeku said:
I have oportunity to buy new and very cheap HP Touchpad 16GB.
Here are my doubts:
1. I do not know at the moment how it goes with implementation of Android on it so any suggestion about this issue from you is welcome. The only issue remaining is the camera does not work
2. How good is WebOS for end users and also does it have any apps for kids like educational games and similar, and do i have to pay for them ??? I dont EVER boot to WebOS, I strictly use Android ICS
3. Support of Qualcom 3g USB modem and it possibilities to connect via 3g network. There is no internal hardware that will allow this, I don't know if there are any external products
4. battery life experience under WebOS and Android. I get great battery life on mine, I also have it on a Touchstone when I am not using it. Again I never use WebOS, so I have no experience.
i need help ASAP because offer is running out.
Regards,
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I LOVE my TP(32Gig). I got a mine for a great price, and can't imagine I'd get much better for 4x the money of what I spent

janeku said:
I have oportunity to buy new and very cheap HP Touchpad 16GB.
Here are my doubts:
1. I do not know at the moment how it goes with implementation of Android on it so any suggestion about this issue from you is welcome.
2. How good is WebOS for end users and also does it have any apps for kids like educational games and similar, and do i have to pay for them ???
3. Support of Qualcom 3g USB modem and it possibilities to connect via 3g network.
4. battery life experience under WebOS and Android.
i need help ASAP because offer is running out.
Regards,
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My two cents;
If you like ICS and the 10 inch size the TP is great! I have a Kindle Fire running ICS which I really like but I find myself using the TP much more often. It is faster, smoother, and more storage.
WebOS is a really cool OS but the lack of apps pretty much ruins it for me, I never use it other than just messing around with it to learn more about it, I have very few apps for WebOS. If you want a wide selection of cheap and free apps for kids, Android has plenty of these.
No idea on the usb modem, but it tethers great to every mobile wifi hotspot (android phones) that I have tried.
Battery life is good if you ask me. Maybe not as good as my wife's Ipad 2 but I use the TP a lot more for video than her, which eats battery.
I like the TP so much I bought a second one so that we now have a tablet for every kid on road-trips, it's fantastic

I know about this suggestion, but as i said, i do not have much time because of offer. I peek a little around xda and see that ics is still not developed good, but ubuntu is available too. I already did rooting of my htc desire, runing miui, but this section is new. I think i'm going to buy this little thing and wait for good version of android.
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janeku said:
I know about this suggestion, but as i said, i do not have much time because of offer. I peek a little around xda and see that ics is still not developed good, but ubuntu is available too. I already did rooting of my htc desire, runing miui, but this section is new. I think i'm going to buy this little thing and wait for good version of android.
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If you say that ICS isn't developed enough then you still have a lot to read
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noob
I just bought a 32GB last week, but still haven't received it. I have questioned numerous sources and they say that the CM nightlies are reliable.

knickerblogger said:
I just bought a 32GB last week, but still haven't received it. I have questioned numerous sources and they say that the CM nightlies are reliable.
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I can fortunately say that I have no issues running the unofficial nightlies with TWRP recovery and nightly differential updates
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janeku said:
I know about this suggestion, but as i said, i do not have much time because of offer. I peek a little around xda and see that ics is still not developed good, but ubuntu is available too. I already did rooting of my htc desire, runing miui, but this section is new. I think i'm going to buy this little thing and wait for good version of android.
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I think ICS runs great on it. I have not run into any problems that a quick search on xda didn't fix easily (and most of those were caused by me screwing with things just for fun that I didn't fully understand).
It works flawlessly enough that my kids (as young as 4) and wife (as tech savvy as the 4yr old) use it all the time and have never had a single problem. They are able to install and use all the apps they want and more.

janeku said:
I know about this suggestion, but as i said, i do not have much time because of offer. I peek a little around xda and see that ics is still not developed good, but ubuntu is available too. I already did rooting of my htc desire, runing miui, but this section is new. I think i'm going to buy this little thing and wait for good version of android.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA
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I personally believe that if you don't give it a try, you'll be short changing yourself. There are a few VERY good ICS ROM's out there right now. The only reason I ever change ROM's at this point, is because I am a flash whore. The current ROM I am on, has NOTHING going wrong with it, aside from the camera not working yet(it is being worked on). That for me is a non-issue, but may be for others. I can honestly say that it is more solid than the ROM's I run in my phone.

[Q] Just bought a TouchPad, what shall I expect?

I just bought a TouchPad yesterday. It already has Android 4.2 (CyanogenMod) installed on it. Is there anything I should know about battery life, quirks because WebOS isn't being used, what ROM to use, etc? Or is it straight forward?

DJ Scooby Doo said:
I just bought a TouchPad yesterday. It already has Android 4.2 (CyanogenMod) installed on it. Is there anything I should know about battery life, quirks because WebOS isn't being used, what ROM to use, etc? Or is it straight forward?
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I would say that it's pretty straightforward. Since you're here, you might want to take a look at this tool. That can be used to wipe your tablet and start fresh (which I would probably recommend so that you know what is on it). Good luck, and welcome to the family!

Welcome to the family! I bought mine after the fire sale when HP discontinued them and thanks to the wonderful work of the developers who ported Android to it and continue to develop it have never regretted it but have constantly been impressed by how good a piece of kit it is. There can be a few quirks with individual Touchpads but you'll soon find work arounds for any issues you may run into on this forum somewhere. Folks are friendly too so if you've read around but can't come up with the answer post and someone will help you out I'm sure!

DJ Scooby Doo said:
I just bought a TouchPad yesterday. It already has Android 4.2 (CyanogenMod) installed on it. Is there anything I should know about battery life, quirks because WebOS isn't being used, what ROM to use, etc? Or is it straight forward?
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It's not as straight forwards as people say. For instance, some ROMs are made with Data/Media partitions and some are not. You should know what this means before flashing a ROM. If you go the Data/Media route, it is recommended that you partition it that way before flashing (unless your used TouchPad has already been partitioned correctly). Also, even though people do it with a tool that was released for the TouchPad, I wouldn't try and remove webOS. That's just my opinion. It doesn't hurt anything to keep it on and you may need it every now and then in emergencies (If something bad happens with Android, you can still boot into webOS, etc.). Other than that, the TouchPad is great. I recommend buying a Touchstone because its a useful accessory.

If you use JCSullins Touchpad Toolbox it's really easy, it will auto detect data media and set itself up perfectly. I removed WebOS from mine and the ones I maintain as I've not booted into it since the day android came out for it almost 3 years ago, so for me it was a complete waste of space.

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If you use JCSullins Touchpad Toolbox it's really easy, it will auto detect data media and set itself up perfectly. I removed WebOS from mine and the ones I maintain as I've not booted into it since the day android came out for it almost 3 years ago, so for me it was a complete waste of space.
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So if you jack up your tablet somehow, how do you recover it? It's not an android device so how would you use webOS recovery? Or is that still accessible? I haven't really looked into getting rid of webOS. Not that I want to.

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So if you jack up your tablet somehow, how do you recover it? It's not an android device so how would you use webOS recovery? Or is that still accessible? I haven't really looked into getting rid of webOS. Not that is want to.
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It is explained in the OP of Jcsullins toolbox box thread, but I believe that it recreates 1 media partition and you then use WebOS Doctor.

Thank you all for your help. I just received my TouchPad and I followed the instructions on the TPToolbox tool to install CM 11. It works perfect! My mom is very happy with her gift. This is her tablet. I am replacing the old Lenovo A-107 that broke on her (milaq also used to work on this tablet).