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iOS or Android Debate

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Okay guys I wanted to make this thread so anyone can state their opinion without being insulted. This has obviously been a long fought debate and will probably stay that way, but I want you to tell which one you personally think is better.
If you think differently of someone you may quote them and correct them but do not make fun of their thoughts/or insult them.
By posting in this thread you have the assume the right to criticize or be criticized, but not to insult or be insulted.
Example of how it should be written: iOS/Android. I think its better because...
My opinion: Android: I think it is better because it has support for a wide variety of devices, it can be customized to almost any aspect, it is open sourced, and I love the way it looks and feels.
Now it's your turn...

Android is better because we have navigation and flash. I tether for free and i have to have widgets.
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Android FTW!
I used to be a hardcore iOS "Apple Fanboy" but then i loosened up and saw that apple has flaws to my first android was the nexus s. and i discovered the power and freedom of android. Ive loved android ever sense!

They are both good. However, phone wise, android kills
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cajones42 said:
Android is better because we have navigation and flash. I tether for free and i have to have widgets.
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I forgot to mention my love of navigation, but remember Adobe has dropped mobile support for flash.

Not only are these threads frowned upon, but there is at least one open about this, and where is WP7 you OSist.

jaszek said:
Not only are these threads frowned upon, but there is at least one open about this, and where is WP7 you OSist.
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I don't understand why this thread would be frowned upon. It's is just a simple debate. And I am pretty sure there is another thread such as this but has long since died. I am just giving people a chance to voice their opinions. And I didn't include WP7 because this is a debate verses iOS and Android, I didn't want to include all three.

AFAinHD said:
I don't understand why this thread would be frowned upon. It's is just a simple debate. And I am pretty sure there is another thread such as this but has long since died. I am just giving people a chance to voice their opinions. And I didn't include WP7 because this is a debate verses iOS and Android, I didn't want to include all three.
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It's frowned upon since the topic of iOS on a mainly Android and Windows forum is what stats pointless flamewars.

jaszek said:
It's frowned upon since the topic of iOS on a mainly Android and Windows forum is what stats pointless flamewars.
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Yes this may be a mainly Android and Windows forum but that doesn't mean that every Android user on this forum prefers Android over iOS. I say again, this is just a thread for people to voice their opinion.

AFAinHD said:
Yes this may be a mainly Android and Windows forum but that doesn't mean that every Android user on this forum prefers Android over iOS. I say again, this is just a thread for people to voice their opinion.
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Aren't that what most forums are all about? Also peoples opinions tend to lead to flamewars and locked threads.

I prefer Android since it allows for more customization and device choices
But the locked environment of iOS allows for a more stable and problem free experience. They both have their flaws but iOS is better. Android is just to crowded and even though it has choices, alot of manufactures bug down old android with slow phones and give "Android" in general a bad name.

jaszek said:
Aren't that what most forums are all about? Also peoples opinions tend to lead to flamewars and locked threads.
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Well than the only thing I can do is hope that people will be mature enough and abide by the rules of this thread.
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Tachi91 said:
I prefer Android since it allows for more customization and device choices
But the locked environment of iOS allows for a more stable and problem free experience. They both have their flaws but iOS is better. Android is just to crowded and even though it has choices, alot of manufactures bug down old android with slow phones and give "Android" in general a bad name.
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I agree that many manufactures bug down old android phones, but hell with forums like this I was even able to make my old Huewei Ascend run smooth. Before I destroyed it on YouTube.
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Will these two teams be playing each other in the Olympics next year?
I think Android will win as they have legs whereas Apples don't. Mobility is important.

AFAinHD said:
I don't understand why this thread would be frowned upon. It's is just a simple debate. And I am pretty sure there is another thread such as this but has long since died. I am just giving people a chance to voice their opinions. And I didn't include WP7 because this is a debate verses iOS and Android, I didn't want to include all three.
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Because wp7 sucks almost as bad as ios lol jk wm6.5 ftw
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frigid said:
Because wp7 sucks almost as bad as ios lol jk wm6.5 ftw
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Mango is the fushiznit!

android forever

Th3T1n0 said:
android forever
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Why do you perfer android over iOS? You are supposed to put that.
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This is really not a debate . Android all the way .

I prefer Android over iOS because you, as a user, have the freedom of choice about what you want to do with your device how the GUI should look and even how your entire system is built up, with custom roms, kernels and so on.
Whenever i use an iOS device i feel like I'm sitting in a tiny cage ^^
On the other hand, iOS has some nice advantages, like the cydia, installous app download stuff...

Apple Won :(

I can't believe this...
Apple has WON BIG in the Apple/Samsung IP lawsuit. The judge basically gave everything Apple wanted. Samsung was found to be infringing several of Apple's patents and designs. In addition, Samsung now has to pay Apple over $1 Billion. Samsung lost completely. Apple was found to be infringing ZERO ZERO ZERO patents of Samsung which is quite surprising.
It gets worse though.. Samsung (and probally every Android maker soon) will now have to pay Licensing Fees to Apple which would result in higher prices for Android. However, Apple could decide not to License their technology which would mean that Android would have to be stripped of many of its best features.
Source:
Apple won Big

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The U.S really needs some better judges and EYES TOO.
Samsung's phone look NOTHING like Apple's iPhone.

without prejudice and bias samsung SGS2 does look like a larger iphone,
i'm an android fan and will never have a apple device except my former iphone 2g,
but just look at it

Yup, just look at this:
But the main problem here is the patent system. Not Apple's or Samsung's. Why on earth did they grant Apple these obvious patents like bounce and pinch to zoom? It's a [email protected] joke.

Whatevs, apple is supposed to be the Hallmark of capitalism in America, yet apple tries to hamper it's competition by throwing random lawsuits about what should be basic smart phone functions, and yes the iPhone is a smart phone, and Mac computers are computers, Cuz I know all lot of Mac owners think their electronic devices are some ordained object thrown down by God from the heavens and their device cannot be categorized under the names of other electronic devices, silly
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I like what one of Samsung's lawyers said as some point during the case...
"How can you hold a patent on a rectangular device with rounded corners?"
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From a patent attorney on another forum.
"This case will absolutely be tossed out on appeal. in their infinite wisdom, samsung's attorneys didn't bother to challenge apple's patents on the basis of not being directed to statutory subject matter. (oh, hi, forgot to mention, most simple software patents, the kind you hate, are now actually no longer patentable due to some recent cases).
The CAFC (patent appeal court) will raise the issue, toss out apple's patents."
This case is far from over. This will continue for many years to come. Nothing is decided yet, even with this verdict.
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Adauth said:
From a patent attorney on another forum.
"This case will absolutely be tossed out on appeal. in their infinite wisdom, samsung's attorneys didn't bother to challenge apple's patents on the basis of not being directed to statutory subject matter. (oh, hi, forgot to mention, most simple software patents, the kind you hate, are now actually no longer patentable due to some recent cases).
The CAFC (patent appeal court) will raise the issue, toss out apple's patents."
This case is far from over. This will continue for many years to come. Nothing is decided yet, even with this verdict.
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Please post the source.
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Actually, its not over yet..
Apple and Samsung are due in court again in 2014.

TheSkinnyDrummer said:
I like what one of Samsung's lawyers said as some point during the case...
"How can you hold a patent on a rectangular device with rounded corners?"
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The thing is though, the Jury isn't there to judge the merit of the patents in question, just whether they have been infringed. These kinds of arguments come up a lot in "Jury Nullification" but for the most part the Jury was almost certainly told not to judge anything but whether the "patents" have been infringed upon.

Ok, but there is also the same court case in Korea, in which Samsung won, and Apple has to pay them for patent infringement. It really rises the question if this is really important or are they (both) trying to prove a stupid point?
Of course everyone uses ideas from other people but change it and imporve upon it (just like most of our ROMs are actually stock ROMs and we build upon them). I am against blatant copies but there has to be drawn a line beacuse what next? I won't be able buy a phone that isn't Apple's, because no one can use a candybar form of a phone?

063_XOBX said:
The thing is though, the Jury isn't there to judge the merit of the patents in question, just whether they have been infringed. These kinds of arguments come up a lot in "Jury Nullification" but for the most part the Jury was almost certainly told not to judge anything but whether the "patents" have been infringed upon.
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Ive read that they were to judge if the patents were legitimate, and if so, were they willingly infringed.

major_stitch said:
Ok, but there is also the same court case in Korea, in which Samsung won, and Apple has to pay them for patent infringement. It really rises the question if this is really important or are they (both) trying to prove a stupid point?
Of course everyone uses ideas from other people but change it and imporve upon it (just like most of our ROMs are actually stock ROMs and we build upon them). I am against blatant copies but there has to be drawn a line beacuse what next? I won't be able buy a phone that isn't Apple's, because no one can use a candybar form of a phone?
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Funny how Apple isn't going after counterfeiters but rather an innovative company..
Oh wait... thats because Samsung can actually take away Apple's thunder... !!

So...... if apple won Sammy get banned from specific countries, right? Or around the world? and my galaxy tab I'm using to send this thing will........
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Well according to crApple
'It took us 5 years to design the iPhone and Samsung stole it in just 5 minutes..'
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Article Quote: A huge chunk of Samsung's Android devices have been illegally copying Apple's bounce back scrolling and gestures.
HOLY PEWP! VANILLA IS IN DANGER, just like.... MOST OF ANDROID DEVICES!
Didnt HTC get sued by Apple because Their Messaging app converted links so that you can click them? Apple is probably bribing judges.

Quick hoard all dem android before apple taxes em!
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this is why apple should be ashamed of themselves..
it looks like Samsung released rectangular phones with round edges BEFORE crApple released their iSh*t.. i mean iPhone. sorry, damn auto correct!

saywhatt said:
this is why apple should be ashamed of themselves..
it looks like Samsung released rectangular phones with round edges BEFORE crApple released their iSh*t.. i mean iPhone. sorry, damn auto correct!
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*SHOCK* make a petition to apple :what:
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Ethical question why are Closed systems wrong?

Hi,
I have an assignment from school and I have to look for arguments that proves that Closed Systems are wrong in an ethical way. He knows there aren't any strong arguments he just want me to research a little.
The teacher said that I had to look into Richard Stallman but I couldn't find any strong arguments from him.
So the question is what makes Closed Systems Morally wrong if there are any. For example IOS from Apple.
I just need a couple simple arguments to show my teacher. I hope you guys can help.
Thanks in advance!

wingman4ever said:
Hi,
I have an assignment from school and I have to look for arguments that proves that Closed Systems are wrong in an ethical way. He knows there aren't any strong arguments he just want me to research a little.
The teacher said that I had to look into Richard Stallman but I couldn't find any strong arguments from him.
So the question is what makes Closed Systems Morally wrong if there are any. For example IOS from Apple.
I just need a couple simple arguments to show my teacher. I hope you guys can help.
Thanks in advance!
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You know I was about to help with this. But I see it's your first post. It's early morning in US. And you probably have this paper due in the morning. Given all those, I will say this. You should have studied harder, great first post , and look up the advantages/disadvantages of open source. Much to learn you have young padawon.

Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.

wingman4ever said:
Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.
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You hasz iCrap?!?! GTFO. NAO!
jk. No, but seriously..

wingman4ever said:
Well actually it's not due tomorrow. It's my first post because I don't have an android, I have an iPhone but thought I would get better answers on an Android forum. I did research on Open Source and Free Software but still couldn't find any strong arguments.
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then you haven't searched hard enough. What have you searched for and what have you found?

Well the thing is that Apple is not doing anything wrong "ethically". The buyer or user knows that the iDevice is a closed system and Apple has made that very clear therefore Apple has the right to do so. The user may think that they block all the software freedom of the iDevice. But the main point of doing so is that Apple did it to protect their company's profit and their "It Just Works" principle. And also they let you jailbreak it and you have the choice of not buying it.
I am also not looking for the benefits of an open system. I know it has a lot but what I am really looking for is why closed systems(IOS) are "morally" wrong.
The only thing I can think of is that Apple did that because of anti-trust problem but I don't know if my teacher thinks this is a valid argument.

wingman4ever said:
Well the thing is that Apple is not doing anything wrong "ethically". The buyer or user knows that the iDevice is a closed system and Apple has made that very clear therefore Apple has the right to do so. The user may think that they block all the software freedom of the iDevice. But the main point of doing so is that Apple did it to protect their company's profit and their "It Just Works" principle. And also they let you jailbreak it and you have the choice of not buying it.
I am also not looking for the benefits of an open system. I know it has a lot but what I am really looking for is why closed systems(IOS) are "morally" wrong.
The only thing I can think of is that Apple did that because of anti-trust problem but I don't know if my teacher thinks this is a valid argument.
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Do a lil research on netscape and internet explorer. I'll help you if you show work. That was a good post you just had there. And honestly I don't think that all people quite understand the concept of drm, itunes, and ios when they buy an apple device. Exactly how clear is it that what you just bought will only work on that machine and that device? It sure wasn't clear for my ex wife when she bought an iphone.

boborone said:
Do a lil research on netscape and internet explorer. I'll help you if you show work. That was a good post you just had there. And honestly I don't think that all people quite understand the concept of drm, itunes, and ios when they buy an apple device. Exactly how clear is it that what you just bought will only work on that machine and that device? It sure wasn't clear for my ex wife when she bought an iphone.
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I couldn't agree more. Not that this will help you in terms of your assignment but.... The mass media and social demographics are brainwashed by the term "iPhone." Look at Ziplock, Sharpie and other well-known names; It's common knowledge, per say. The vast majority of people who buy an iPhone or have one could care less about it being closed source or even know what that is.

tallyforeman said:
The vast majority of people who buy an iPhone or have one could care less about it being closed source or even know what that is.
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But when they like the look of a Samsung S4, or something similar they're told, "Yeah, that won't have access to all the tunes and books you've bought on your iPhone and iPad. Best stick with Apple." Of course software isn't interchangeable across OSs, but at least with other OSs you have a choice of what device you have, rather than "I want that one", or "I want that one s".

Archer said:
But when they like the look of a Samsung S4, or something similar they're told, "Yeah, that won't have access to all the tunes and books you've bought on your iPhone and iPad. Best stick with Apple." Of course software isn't interchangeable across OSs, but at least with other OSs you have a choice of what device you have, rather than "I want that one", or "I want that one s".
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Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.

boborone said:
Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.
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I'm thinking:
The sheep are better off behind the fence in the pasture

boborone said:
Wait.....totally not trolling you. But what was that you just said. I got confusimicated.
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Tally got it right
Nah, just that I find the "once we've got you you're going to lose everything if you leave" attitude quite immoral.

I totally agree. I had a lot of music I paid for years ago in iTunes, which Apple tries hard to keep non-Apple users from accessing on their mobile devices.
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Archer said:
Tally got it right
Nah, just that I find the "once we've got you you're going to lose everything if you leave" attitude quite immoral.
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Oh ok. Yea, that was the whole reason she stayed with the iphone. She wanted to switch to android where she could easily put her own content on her phone. She found out that all the ringtones, songs, and books she bought would be lost and only available on i devices. That was her only reason to stay with them. I thought it was pretty corrupt of them to charge her again for the music she had already paid for, to release the drm so she could transfer it from her iphone to android.
It goes to the netscape debacle. Creating a monopoly without fully notifying the end user of what they are buying into. It's fine to release software/hardware that only works with specific software/hardware if you tell the customer of such. That becomes an anti-trust issue border-lining on a monopoly that you have created to hook people into without a way out.
When you buy an idevice, you inherently know you are buying into a "system". But the extent of that system is not made clear to the end user.
Just take a look at the term you are signing into when you buy an apple device.
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/
http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/appstore/dev/stdeula/
http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html
I feel I need a law degree just to comprehend the preamble.
Now have a gander at this.
http://play.google.com/intl/en_us/about/play-terms.html
Hey I can understand that. Big difference.
You can't tell me people understand what they are getting themselves into when buying an idevice unless they are tech savvy.
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I totally agree. I had a lot of music I paid for years ago in iTunes, which Apple tries hard to keep non-Apple users from accessing on their mobile devices.
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Yep, a loop. They try to hook you in to keep upgrading on their system on devices/hardware to keep access to what you bought in their system, not knowing that you have to stay there with them in order to keep what you have paid for.

My bad Apple actually did not clearly state that their systems are closed. But what matters is that they have stated in the The buyer is responsible for reading the agreement.
I also want to say that this assignment is just for a small discussion that I have to have with the teacher. No paper needed. But it does improve my mark though.
I am just curious what you guys have to say about Closed Systems. But the more I think about it the more I think there arent any legit arguments against Closed Systems.
So I may just turn it around and argue that Apple has all the right to do so.
Although I still hate Apple for forcing people by trying to block Jailbreaking.

I actually made it through all of this essay... good read....
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4371

wingman4ever said:
My bad Apple actually did not clearly state that their systems are closed. But what matters is that they have stated in the The buyer is responsible for reading the agreement.
I also want to say that this assignment is just for a small discussion that I have to have with the teacher. No paper needed. But it does improve my mark though.
I am just curious what you guys have to say about Closed Systems. But the more I think about it the more I think there arent any legit arguments against Closed Systems.
So I may just turn it around and argue that Apple has all the right to do so.
Although I still hate Apple for forcing people by trying to block Jailbreaking.
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Well good for you. We all like open source/systems, which is why we use it. You can't debate a subject without seeing both sides. And you don't see both sides.
And btw, there have been numerous court cases involving tos of companies that even though you click that you have read them, have been overturned becuase they have been ruled for some reason or another unfitting. So just because you say you read them, doesn't mean that's a good deal. tos can change after you buy a product. Which itunes does regularly. So you buy into something only to have it change, totally not right. And no backing out. But you bought into it. Are happy with it. So go argue for it.
Run along now.
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apple eye tracking patent?!!!!

Really apple! Really! http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57586815-37/apple-patent-application-eyes-eye-tracking-technology/
and watch they will sue samsung for using "their" patent.

dligon said:
Really apple! Really! http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57586815-37/apple-patent-application-eyes-eye-tracking-technology/
and watch they will sue samsung for using "their" patent.
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Wow. Have they done anything original since launching the IPhone? Have they "innovated" anything since? It seems like they take other people's ideas, patent a portion of it, throw it into their phones and calls it "innovative!" SmH

travisw0204 said:
Wow. Have they done anything original since launching the IPhone? Have they "innovated" anything since? It seems like they take other people's ideas, patent a portion of it, throw it into their phones and calls it "innovative!" SmH
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Lmao. Hard to be your definition of innovative when other origins of an item/product/feature has already surfaced the technology, idea, or knowhow. The S4 is the ONLY "smartphone" I know with some of these features. If Apple happens to have a version of their own, cool. Not being exactly the same and bringing something new to actual smartphone users and Samsung lovers is innovative. At some point in life ideas need to be merged. This idea of "endless possibilities" is coming to an end. This competition bull**** needs to stop and cooperative teamwork needs to start being at least thought about.
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Delakit said:
Lmao. Hard to be your definition of innovative when other origins of an item/product/feature has already surfaced the technology, idea, or knowhow. The S4 is the ONLY "smartphone" I know with some of these features. If Apple happens to have a version of their own, cool. Not being exactly the same and bringing something new to actual smartphone users and Samsung lovers is innovative. At some point in life ideas need to be merged. This idea of "endless possibilities" is coming to an end. This competition bull**** needs to stop and cooperative teamwork needs to start being at least thought about.
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Bravo....Bravo....

^ that's what open source projects are all about and android is part of that.

Delakit said:
Lmao. Hard to be your definition of innovative when other origins of an item/product/feature has already surfaced the technology, idea, or knowhow. The S4 is the ONLY "smartphone" I know with some of these features. If Apple happens to have a version of their own, cool. Not being exactly the same and bringing something new to actual smartphone users and Samsung lovers is innovative. At some point in life ideas need to be merged. This idea of "endless possibilities" is coming to an end. This competition bull**** needs to stop and cooperative teamwork needs to start being at least thought about.
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This "competition bull***" is what is driving people to innovate. It is what brought Apple to the forefront of mobile technology and it is what brought Samsung to offer a better device than Apple. Without Apple we would likely not have what we have now, and without Samsung, we would be stuck in Apple's 2007 view of what a mobile device should look like and how it should function. Without competition you do do not have innovation...period. Apple did not consider Samsung to be a real competitor, they figured that their device is the pinnacle of perfection, and that the market does not need or want anything else. And then Samsung introduced a device that is different from the iPhone that people actually want, while the best thing Apple can bring to the table is Siri. This attitude will be their ultimate undoing.

sputnik767 said:
This "competition bull***" is what is driving people to innovate. It is what brought Apple to the forefront of mobile technology and it is what brought Samsung to offer a better device than Apple. Without Apple we would likely not have what we have now, and without Samsung, we would be stuck in Apple's 2007 view of what a mobile device should look like and how it should function. Without competition you do do not have innovation...period. Apple did not consider Samsung to be a real competitor, they figured that their device is the pinnacle of perfection, and that the market does not need or want anything else. And then Samsung introduced a device that is different from the iPhone that people actually want, while the best thing Apple can bring to the table is Siri. This attitude will be their ultimate undoing.
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Lol. We could go back and forth on this for years. I'm not talking about the past. I'm talking about the now and the future. Apples patent fighting is complete garbage. There isn't a necessity for competition through customer satisfaction. It only causes more problems. What I'm getting at is that there shouldn't be patent rushes to takeover and rule a single thought like Apple continues to strive for. That gives nobody else a chance to provide for other users of different taste. Its playing too dirty. That's one reason I hate Apple but that's an entirely different story. But with today's advances in technology there shouldn't be a limit of any kind. So competition by means of sales is obviously here to stay. However, restricting little odds and ends to other manufacturers is just ridiculous. Its bullying. Lol. Obviously competition will remain but by "competitive bull****" I was referring to the foul play.
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Delakit said:
Lol. We could go back and forth on this for years. I'm not talking about the past. I'm talking about the now and the future. Apples patent fighting is complete garbage. There isn't a necessity for competition through customer satisfaction. It only causes more problems. What I'm getting at is that there shouldn't be patent rushes to takeover and rule a single thought like Apple continues to strive for. That gives nobody else a chance to provide for other users of different taste. Its playing too dirty. That's one reason I hate Apple but that's an entirely different story. But with today's advances in technology there shouldn't be a limit of any kind. So competition by means of sales is obviously here to stay. However, restricting little odds and ends to other manufacturers is just ridiculous. Its bullying. Lol. Obviously competition will remain but by "competitive bull****" I was referring to the foul play.
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In a society with mostly free markets such as ours, companies have to answer to their shareholders. I don't necessarily blame Apple for their patent fighting. That doesn't mean that a lot of what they do isn't BS, and hopefully the courts will begin to realize this. All signs point to that already happening. Most importantly, the customer doesn't care about patent fighting. They care about having the best product at the best price. That is why Samsung is winning, and no amount of patent fighting on part of Apple will make up for their shortcomings elsewhere.

the stick has been patented.
http://www.google.com/patents/US6360693
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This is getting old. All of this bickering in the court system is only driving the cost of the devices up. In the end the consumer, whether it be iFanboys or Android fanboys, get the shaft. This is the sole reason I will never buy any Apple stuff again...
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sputnik767 said:
In a society with mostly free markets such as ours, companies have to answer to their shareholders. I don't necessarily blame Apple for their patent fighting. That doesn't mean that a lot of what they do isn't BS, and hopefully the courts will begin to realize this. All signs point to that already happening. Most importantly, the customer doesn't care about patent fighting. They care about having the best product at the best price. That is why Samsung is winning, and no amount of patent fighting on part of Apple will make up for their shortcomings elsewhere.
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Very true. But having the best product is getting difficult if patents hold back features. It sucks enough that the Stock TW keyboard nolonger holds auto-correction. I love that keyboard but use Blu Kuban now anyway.
Slade8525 said:
the stick has been patented.
http://www.google.com/patents/US6360693
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Epic.
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Innovation through litigation - Patented by Apple

The only legitimate patent Apple should have would be called: Method to secure cooperation by Judges/Patent Officials through Bribery, Blackmail or Intimidation.

gharlane00 said:
The only legitimate patent Apple should have would be called: Method to secure cooperation by Judges/Patent Officials through Bribery, Blackmail or Intimidation.
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Or just "Apple." Lol. But I like your version better. Haha.
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Delakit said:
Lmao. Hard to be your definition of innovative when other origins of an item/product/feature has already surfaced the technology, idea, or knowhow. The S4 is the ONLY "smartphone" I know with some of these features. If Apple happens to have a version of their own, cool. Not being exactly the same and bringing something new to actual smartphone users and Samsung lovers is innovative. At some point in life ideas need to be merged. This idea of "endless possibilities" is coming to an end. This competition bull**** needs to stop and cooperative teamwork needs to start being at least thought about.
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AMEN! That's why android os will continue to be innovative, because of the supportive and cooperative dev community! Let them sue all they want, they can't stop the open source beast that google and the community has created.

Delakit said:
Very true. But having the best product is getting difficult if patents hold back features. It sucks enough that the Stock TW keyboard nolonger holds auto-correction. I love that keyboard but use Blu Kuban now anyway.
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Is that why the Samsung keyboard doesn't have an auto-correct feature? That's too bad, because otherwise, I think it's an excellent keyboard. I was hoping that it would be added in the future.
Also, the fact that Samsung was able to bring the S4 with it's truly innovative features to market speaks volumes about what they are capable of. And this is despite the fact that Apple would patent the rectangle if they could (and probably tried). You can argue for or against most of the new features in the S4 (I don't use many of them), but the fact remains that they are available. The iPhone is virtually unchanged since 2007. I'm curious to see what the iPhone 5S will bring to the table, but probably not much. The rumored fingerprint sensor maybe, although that would be a useful feature if they did.

travisw0204 said:
Wow. Have they done anything original since launching the IPhone? Have they "innovated" anything since? It seems like they take other people's ideas, patent a portion of it, throw it into their phones and calls it "innovative!" SmH
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The first iPhone did revolutionise the smartphone and there's no denying it, however after that it all kind of went downhill. I agree with you, they haven't really done anything innovative since and yet they're still acting as if they're the very best. Are Apple really thick or are they just refusing to accept defeat.
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What samsung should do is patent the front facing camera and then sue apple for $25 Billion.
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To me, Apple is guilty of kanging open source, patenting it and then suing. Slide to unlock is one, which if memory serves was developed and released here BEFORE the iPhone came out. Then they sued HTC for having a touchscreen interface, which had been out several years before the iPhone. They steal, and sue. That is their way. That is why I will continue to personally boycott all Apple "wares"/products. It pisses me off that part of the money I spent on my GS4 went to them. We the consumers ought to sue Apple for driving up the cost of non apple devices.

dligon said:
Really apple! Really! http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57586815-37/apple-patent-application-eyes-eye-tracking-technology/
and watch they will sue samsung for using "their" patent.
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Did you know Samsung makes all sorts of screens, sensors, and chips for Apple?

Yeah they do. Apple hasn't learned that you don't $hit where you eat.
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Rethink Rooting

http://www.sammobile.com/2015/04/21...ge-dont-or-youll-lose-this-important-feature/

I don't care, I would still root it if I could.
root > everything else

Don't care. Mobile payment solutions are still in its infancy, and the infrastructure is still being built. It could take years for the majority of stores and merchants to implement the merchant side to point where it's common place. And that's not accounting for if one payment solution dominates the market, or if they offer most or all (Apple, android, Samsung etc).

It should be noted that you only lose that feature IF you trip KNOX with your rooting method.

designgears said:
It should be noted that you only lose that feature IF you trip KNOX with your rooting method.
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Good point. Glad to see you around designgears. You introduced me to rooting and ROMing way back with cognition for the captivate.
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Just to add to it, Softcard was also blocked with root but you could use xposed and download a root hider, essentially tricking the app into thinking the phone was not rooted to allow mobile payments. Worked well until they shut Softcard down when Google bought it, will miss the easy rewards..

cavsoldier19d said:
Don't care. Mobile payment solutions are still in its infancy, and the infrastructure is still being built. It could take years for the majority of stores and merchants to implement the merchant side to point where it's common place. And that's not accounting for if one payment solution dominates the market, or if they offer most or all (Apple, android, Samsung etc).
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Actually, with Samsung Pay, merchants won't need to do any sort of upgrading.

Device is so smooth and fast, it doesn't need root. It's solid.

wvcadle said:
Actually, with Samsung Pay, merchants won't need to do any sort of upgrading.
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Exactly. Merchants can just use the same system. Samsung pay will act as a magnetic stripe that all credit card has.

phitec said:
Exactly. Merchants can just use the same system. Samsung pay will act as a magnetic stripe that all credit card has.
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I live in a major metropolitan area of Florida and I still yet have to see any store or merchant offer it. I rest my case.
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cavsoldier19d said:
I live in a major metropolitan area of Florida and I still yet have to see any store or merchant offer it. I rest my case.
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But there is no reason to advertise when it's meant to work with existing payment infrastructure. There is nothing to change to become compatible with Samsung pay. It imitates the magnetic field reading normally made when swiping a card through a reader, it simulates that happening.

bigblue95z said:
But there is no reason to advertise when it's meant to work with existing payment infrastructure. There is nothing to change to become compatible with Samsung pay. It imitates the magnetic field reading normally made when swiping a card through a reader, it simulates that happening.
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This is a oxymoronic statement. The whole point of advertising is to let the consumer know what products or services are being offered. You are making the assumption that everyone nationwide with a Samsung phone with this capability is going to know. If the establishment doesn't advertise that they accept Samsung pay, and most people don't know the inner workings, and that it works with the already existing infrastructure, then the average consumer is going to use a different method of payment. By the time this becomes common knowledge, myself and many others would have moved on to several different phones.

Who cares. I use cash....
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cavsoldier19d said:
This is a oxymoronic statement. The whole point of advertising is to let the consumer know what products or services are being offered. You are making the assumption that everyone nationwide with a Samsung phone with this capability is going to know. If the establishment doesn't advertise that they accept Samsung pay, and most people don't know the inner workings, and that it works with the already existing infrastructure, then the average consumer is going to use a different method of payment. By the time this becomes common knowledge, myself and many others would have moved on to several different phones.
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Well this isn't for every Samsung phone. Only s6 devices have this capability and Samsung has advertised it with it's release.
With nfc or Apple pay, the merchants need to support it to use it. With Samsung pay, the merchants don't need to support Samsung pay in any way as it is just like a credit card to them.
I'm sure we will see more advertising on it when Samsung opens the software for our devices.
Then you can use it at basically any location that accepts a credit card. No special equipment or anything is needed on the part of the merchant.

Again....not everyone is going to know this and it will take a long time for this to be common knowledge. This will only be common knowledge by advertising and word of mouth.
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cavsoldier19d said:
I live in a major metropolitan area of Florida and I still yet have to see any store or merchant offer it. I rest my case.
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That's because Samsung pay is not released it. Supposed to be released some time this summer.

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It could take years for the majority of stores and merchants to implement the merchant side to point where it's common place.
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Except the entire point of Samsung pay, is that it doesnt require any merchant changes. Aside from the NFC chip, the phone can create a magnetic field that can be read by every standard card swiper, making the swiper belive it just read a card. On the merchant side, the machine thinks it swiped a card just like any other. Yes, merchants will need to add NFC readers for that technology, but old tech is already supported by the phone's hardware.

cavsoldier19d said:
I live in a major metropolitan area of Florida and I still yet have to see any store or merchant offer it. I rest my case.
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they don't offer it yet because Samsung hasn't made it "live" yet...
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You know...some ppl want to argue just to argue and to push their beliefs on others. Ppl will choose to do with their devices as they see fit. If you don't want to root your device because of this possible issue, then that's your poragative. If you want to root because you don't care...that's your prerogative. At this point, what is a fact is that it is not commonly accepted nationwide as of this moment, therefore has little to no impact on the masses. Period. Move along ppl.
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cavsoldier19d said:
You know...some ppl want to argue just to argue and to push their beliefs on others. Ppl will choose to do with their devices as they see fit. If you don't want to root your device because of this possible issue, then that's your poragative. If you want to root because you don't care...that's your prerogative. At this point, what is a fact is that it is not commonly accepted nationwide as of this moment, therefore has little to no impact on the masses. Period. Move along ppl.
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I cant say i am one trying to push beliefs ( i full support rooting actually), but i do care to correct misinformation. When you say:
" what is a fact is that it is not commonly accepted nationwide as of this moment"
Are you trying to say that magnetic swipe credit cards are not commonly accepted? Because we have been talking about technology (bought from LoopPay: https://www.looppay.com/how-it-works/) which acts like that, without any special merchant reader, and requires no infrastructure change. So you must be saying that swiped cards are not accepted everywhere, which is not a fact at all...