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Can we turn it into a camera?

HOla!
Well after getting my 4 tickets to see phish this morning, i started thinking about the video on the phone and how ****ty it usually is. Even attempting to record video inside a concert would pretty much be a farse as it is now. (at least i think most would agree... lighting... distance.. ****ty camera drivers etc)
I thought about the possibilities of running the phone as clean as possible w/ just the camera installed. Would it make a hella difference?
Im not fluent in geek really, i dont think a .cab would work since the os itself would still be running. But it would seem w/ the new google linux, or possible another stipped down OS w/ just a simple phone radio and camera only might give the thing alot more memory and cpu to do the camera/video?
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freekquency said:
HOla!
Well ...
I thought about the possibilities of running the phone as clean as possible w/ just the camera installed. Would it make a hella difference?
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not it won't. Although some of the newer roms have better drivers than stock and than has helped the device. Please read wiki and stickies.
Thanks,
TheSire

Android 2.0 Dream Development

Hi guys, I haven't frequented the forums in a while.
Good to be back.
I was curious about if any attempts have been made to update to 2.0.
How did it go?
This thread is what got me curious.
It appears that the only constraint is storage, which most of us rooted folks have plenty of.
A T-Mo rep says it will definitely happen.
So somebody fill me in

There are sync and camera driver issues, and the fact that HTC themselves haven't released an update yet really limits development, unfortunately.

Lollipop_Lawlipop said:
There are sync and camera driver issues, and the fact that HTC themselves haven't released an update yet really limits development, unfortunately.
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i think its only camera now sync has been fixed it all good but 3d games dont work all that well JFYI

I see, it would be nice to see some future support.
I'm not too big on the camera anyway.
As long as its fast/faster.
If its slower then ill stick with 1.6.
I just wanted to get an idea of where things were at the moment.

If you really don't care about the camera (I mean really don't care because you won't have scanning or any of that) you should try manups eclair build. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=598973 I really liked it but the no camera turned into something I could not deal with. Lots of neato stuff in there.

Quick question about 'OEM' product.

First of all Hello everyone, I'm Luke and I'm pretty new to the windows mobile scene.
I've wanted a windows mobile phone for a few years now however price tags were not so appealing to me, but now I've purchased my first windows phone and it should be arriving tomorrow or within the next few days. It also seems that I've bought one at a good time as I'm happy to see a lot of development going on for 6.1/6.5 which is awesome - I like playing around with gadgets more than actually using them.
But here is the catch, whilst I've posted this in the HTC TD2 section here, the phone I've bought isn't actually a TD2. At least not an official one. It's one of the Chinese models found on eBay. I don't want a moral debate going on here - it was a bargain and it's my first step into using a Windows phone which I'm looking forward to for a decent price. It looks like a TD2 and the seller has claimed it is 'OEM Produce' however I don't believe him really.
What I wanted to ask was how will I go about flashing, updating, installing ROM's and the such on this phone? Will it be more than enough to follow instructions for a standard TD2? I hope someone here who understands hardware device and such will be able to clear that up for me.
The phone is using the same processor as the original TD2, and has the same resolution etc. Not sure if it has the same amount of ROM/RAM however it's being shipped with WM 6.1 so it has enough I presume. Are there any other hardware differences that will effect the ROM's I can use? Can I even use the same ROM's you guys are using? I don't care about the lower quality camera and less important things like that.
Thanks for any advice (sorry it was a bit long winded)
Please scroll down to see my most recent post! Thanks!

Thats is a very tricky question you are asking here.
First of all, nothing is certain or guaranteed of what you might receive there. After all, the product you receive will be a counterfeit phone, a fake trying to mock a real TD2. And as with any fake products you get the same quality issues. How do you know for sure that it has the same processor?? Just because they write it there? The same can apply to the RAM, ROM, Display etc.! It is in my opinion HIGHLY unlikely that the phone you will receive, will have anything in common (technology-wise) with the real TD2. The TD2 combines a lot of recent technology like that hd screen, cam and ram. What you will find underneath of yours might be a mash-up of older HTC phones like the Diamond or even older..who knows!? You can continue this uncertainty with the Windows that phone is running...it will be some homecooked release that is made to work with the components the phone features. As they will be different to TD2 as we have clarified earlier, the ROMs available here will most certainly not work ideally with yours....and i would be highly surprised to see a forum that will be dedicated to a fake TD2 lolz. Anyways, I think you get my point...I dont really see why you would ship yourself a chinese mock-up to start with a Windows Mobile phone...I dont, really. There are so many nice cheap hq HTC phones out there that still support 6.5 to-date. I have been using a HTC Excalibur (S620/621/Dash) for like 4 years and kept buying the same phone since then because i LOVE it. The quality is superb and it runs Windows Mobile 6.5 like a charm. You can pickup a brandnew unlocked one for $100 at the bay. Just a week ago i decided to upgrade and bought a new TD2...not here yet but same as you i am very excited Im sorry that i drifted off into a moral debate by the way
If you really want to embark on trying to update your phone you will have to analyze the rom closely to see what phone's ROM it is actually running. This will help you to find the according forum in here.
Good luck

I concur with vivid22, The internals of your phone will certainly be different to those of the original HTC build and as such you may have many unforseen troubles if you do flash the rom.
But if you decide to proceed with a rom flash i would be very interested to hear of your results.
You may also be interested in using some benchmark software and comparing how your phone performs compared to ours, maybe you can discover if the CPU is indeed the correct performance. Its all quite interesting.
Oh and welcome to the forums

Thanks for your responses guys! Very informative.
While I'm not going to respond to the most obvious statements like it being a counterfeit and it sucking etc in much detail because of course you are right! but I knew this when I bought it. The price is the real difference here and I don't mind if I can't flash it but I too am interested if it will actually work .
I'm still waiting for the phone to arrive and yes you both are right it has a very high chance that it is using different internals and I expect this, however the seller seems to state its using very similar hardware.
I will be more than happy to mess around with it, I guess I will dump the ROM first if I can then try installing some 6.5 etc - no problem trying I guess. I must say I've seen some clones from merimobiles.com (or something) with TouchFlo and I think even WinMo 6.5 but then again obtaining those ROM's will be a quest in itself. Not sure if mine is being shipped with TouchFlo, it has it in the screen shots on the listening but that really counts for nothing .
I have seen a few threads on these devices and their flash capability but not any with any definitive results so hopefully I can get the ball rolling. When I actually receive my product I will be able to tell if it is actually using the same processor, etc.

I believe you will find that Hard SPL will not flash to unlock your device.
Many here have tried with the same knock-offs.

Unlock in which way do you mean?
Network unlock? (assuming not)
Maybe worth noting: The guy who is selling these flashes the phone with the version of WinMo (language-wise) that the buyer asks for before shipping out. Meaning they can be flashed, however with what ROM's and what method I've no idea. Might ask him?
Ok if I'm going to poke around this I have two questions to ask that will help me determine things about the phone:
(They may seem very dumb but I just need to clarify)
1. Is there a way to find out the Hard SPL version without installing a new one? Like the current one it has.
2. Is it possible to get into the Bootloader no matter what Hard SPL version you have?

Lukeff7 said:
Unlock in which way do you mean?
Network unlock? (assuming not)
Maybe worth noting: The guy who is selling these flashes the phone with the version of WinMo (language-wise) that the buyer asks for before shipping out. Meaning they can be flashed, however with what ROM's and what method I've no idea. Might ask him?
Ok if I'm going to poke around this I have two questions to ask that will help me determine things about the phone:
(They may seem very dumb but I just need to clarify)
1. Is there a way to find out the Hard SPL version without installing a new one? Like the current one it has.
2. Is it possible to get into the Bootloader no matter what Hard SPL version you have?
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No, SPL unlocks the OS, not the SIM.
Bootloader mode is how you determine your current SPL.

Okay. So I should be able to (hopefully) get into bootloader and find the SPL it currently has.
Well I guess thats it until I actually recieve the phone, cheers guys I'll post how I get on for the people who are interested.

It will be very interesting to hear about it. hope you get what you ordered?
God luck

Well, I'm back, for anyone who is interested!
Phone finally came, snow over here in the UK slowed it down haha!
So, the phone is very good for what I paid, and very nice.
I'd like to go about flashing it though, as it's currently running 6.1 with SPB Mobile Shell. SPB is very nice, but I really like the look of Touch Flo.
Now while cosmetically the phone looks pretty close to the TD2, it has a few things like no front camera (don't really care) and the zoom bar also seems to do absolutely nothing. The phone runs as smooth as it should. It has no g-sensor as far as I can tell, shame but doesn't really matter.
All of this sounds like it has no chance, I think it even has less RAM than it was meant to but I'm not sure... But here is why I am still curious about trying:
Windows Mobile is reporting that it is using the 528Mhz MSM7200A processor.
That is what I believe the real TD2 uses, correct me if I am wrong.
If this means it is using the same chipset or what-have you as the TD2, I don't know. This is why I need help.
Really, what I am asking, is what kind of things can I look at in the phone to tell what I could possibly flash it with?
Do you think the HardSPL utility you all use will work with it? Is there even any way to tell, or should I just try anyway? And could that break the phone beyond repair? Is there a way to find out the real specs of this phone, because it may have been modified so that it read that processor name?
What do you guys think. I'm willing to try all sorts, I just don't want to brick it with no way of getting it back that's why I am just asking for opinions before I do it anyway.
Thanks

You will brick your phone for sure if you try a rom for Diamond2, search this forum for chinese ROM (I saw it somewhere on another thread in Topaz section), but watch out that you will have a clean windows without customizations includind TF3D.

Android Builds with Working Camera

So I've been a lurker on the boards for awhile, following the Android development and experimenting as I can, since I want to start doing my own ports. However, recently I've been running into an issue that I'm trying to fix.
I've searched the boards and have only found one solution, but I want to see if there are other options.
Do any Android Builds have a working camera? I know zenulator developed a Donut 1.6 build with a working camera but I found it's not nearly fast enough on my system (Vouge running Myn's Warm Donut) for me to make the switch, in addition to not being updated since November. Are there any other builds with a camera? I'm not too upset, it just irks me that I have to reboot WM just to take pictures.

Not sure what you are talking about. All donut builds have a working camera (the quality is not as good as WinMo, but it works)
The Eclair builds do not have working cameras.

In some of the kernels the camera app is soft resetting the device

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In some of the kernels the camera app is soft resetting the device
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I believe you need a kernal from 4-6-10(April 6th) or earlier to avoid camera reset.

I'm guessing that fixing the camera quality is not an easy task otherwise it would probably be done. But I think it would be great if we could get the same picture quality as winmo. Is anyone working on this?

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I'm guessing that fixing the camera quality is not an easy task otherwise it would probably be done. But I think it would be great if we could get the same picture quality as winmo. Is anyone working on this?
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id like to know this aswell aslo is anyone working on video with the camera?

VirginIncVuture, [ROM] Myn’s Warm Donut - [RLS 5 - 04/24/2010] -Added 240x320 Complaint Dialer 05/07 All work's great!!! But i like Eclair with no worked Camera, Voice Dial, Bluetooth!

Third inquiry as to the camera quality.
Does anybody have plans for the camera?

doesn't sound like it man.

Yeah I worked really hard at getting the camera to work through Donut only to later look at the actual picture quality and it wasn't even worth my time (
Shame really...

Yeah I mean the quality on Myn's rom is OK I guess. But it's not really worth the development time unless it looks like it did while using it on WinMo. Totally a shame...

Sorry, but whose dev time is it not worth?

dosesdoyle said:
Yeah I mean the quality on Myn's rom is OK I guess. But it's not really worth the development time unless it looks like it did while using it on WinMo. Totally a shame...
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I find the camera results are *better* in Android than WinMo. Do not judge the camera by the preview, which is pretty crappy on vogue android. The picture will not look like the preview.
The lack of any camera support in Eclair for the past 4 months is the only thing keeping me off it. I really wish I knew what was wrong.

brunes said:
I find the camera results are *better* in Android than WinMo. Do not judge the camera by the preview, which is pretty crappy on vogue android. The picture will not look like the preview.
The lack of any camera support in Eclair for the past 4 months is the only thing keeping me off it. I really wish I knew what was wrong.
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Really?
I always assumed that the low quality pics in Android would look the same on my laptop. I will have to take a look for myself.
Thx...

myn's for sure the camera works at 320x480 if you use a non native resolution the camera for me has not worked

The quality is atrocious no matter what.
I have used warm donuts 320x240 and this is a sample of 320x480
http://imgur.com/57UTs.jpg

Yeah the quality is actually pretty bad, its not just a preview issue.
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[Q] Rom suggestions for ICS camera?

Hello,
I want to turn my old N1 into an ICS camera. I'm going into some dicey country and dont want to bring my GN, but I really want my N1 to have the ICS camera app. I have a DICApac for it and want to do some light underwater usage and lots of quick response "action" shots (fishing).
Anyone have any recommendations on which ROM would be best for me? I quite literally only care about the camera functionality from ICS and the speed of use. And the SD card All other functionality will not be used.
At first glance it appears that these are my two best options?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366897
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1557606
Will either of those suit my needs? Is there something better I didnt see?
Great. Thank you for your time.

smot13 said:
Hello,
I want to turn my old N1 into an ICS camera. I'm going into some dicey country and dont want to bring my GN, but I really want my N1 to have the ICS camera app. I have a DICApac for it and want to do some light underwater usage and lots of quick response "action" shots (fishing).
Anyone have any recommendations on which ROM would be best for me? I quite literally only care about the camera functionality from ICS and the speed of use. And the SD card All other functionality will not be used.
At first glance it appears that these are my two best options?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366897
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1557606
Will either of those suit my needs? Is there something better I didnt see?
Great. Thank you for your time.
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Is your N1 rooted and has blackrose HBOOT installed? If no, then you don't want to flash ICS if you are planning on taking it with you because ICS is still WIP. Use the Gingerbread ROMs for now.

Agree. The ICS camera for the Nexus One isn't yet perfected.
I'd recommend CM7.2 stable or MIUI Gingerbread. At least they won't let you down.
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smot13 said:
Hello,
I want to turn my old N1 into an ICS camera. I'm going into some dicey country and dont want to bring my GN, but I really want my N1 to have the ICS camera app. I have a DICApac for it and want to do some light underwater usage and lots of quick response "action" shots (fishing).
Anyone have any recommendations on which ROM would be best for me? I quite literally only care about the camera functionality from ICS and the speed of use. And the SD card All other functionality will not be used.
At first glance it appears that these are my two best options?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1366897
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1557606
Will either of those suit my needs? Is there something better I didnt see?
Great. Thank you for your time.
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Well, I've gotta commend you for conceding this might be a tricky task, my man.
I hate the easy answer of "ICS isn't what you're looking for," as I know sometimes it's the kind of thing you just really gotta have.
I'll say this:
You'll hear reports of the ICS camera being a bit kinked up right now. These reports are somewhat true.
The ICS CAMERA isn't so much the problem as is the functionality of the camera APP.
Meaning: In my experience, the camera (still photos) worked fine. If you're looking to do any sort of recording, the ROM simply is not able to accomodate it. The devs (bless 'em for all their hard work) have yet to wade through fixing the video coding to allow for flawless video recording/playback within the camera app.
My suggestion:
If you really want ICS, download one of the distros (I really enjoyed BCM CM9) and test it out. Go in expecting ****e -- not an amazing platform for camera-play. If it ends up meeting your needs for speed and quality (and, I guess, style), then you've got a winner.
For what it's worth though, I actually entertained a hiatus from the ICS party and flashed the stable release of CM7.2 (recently released).
I'll just say it felt like I was playing around on my Atrix again, and Gingerbread has an UNDENIABLE speed/response advantage over ICS. I feel these advantages are crucial to photography and that Gingerbread ROMs might be able to better accommodate your demands.
I could be wrong, though...never want to assume...and if there's a vital feature of ICS's you're keen on having, let us know. We'll try our best to guide you to a good ICS photography-platform (even if extensive tweaking is involved), and if that just doesn't seem possible, I'm sure there's a way to get what you're looking for in a GB ROM.
Good luck though either way, breaux.

Thanks for the responses. I appreciate it. I'm going to dig into some GB roms and see what works best for me.