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Do we think a 16Gb SDHC card would work?

This is sorely tempting - never have to use the MD again and still have plenty of spare space!!
http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/12/09/transcend_crams_16gb_onto_tiny.html

Sweet!! Last year 1GB was mainstream, now it's 2GB but it's raising very fast.
I'm waiting on 8GB to be in store, but 16GB sounds more interesting.

apd said:
This is sorely tempting - never have to use the MD again and still have plenty of spare space!!
http://uk.gizmodo.com/2007/12/09/transcend_crams_16gb_onto_tiny.html
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No, I don't think it would work. Our device is only capable of accepting either the MicroSDHC (with an adaptor) or MiniSDHC.
SDHC's physical dimension is too large to be slotted into our device.

you can get a convertor from sd to micro sd its being on these forums before but this is a good price for anyone looking at the shift to improve batterylife and increase storage for that as it uses sd as far as i remember

eaglesteve said:
No, I don't think it would work. Our device is only capable of accepting either the MicroSDHC (with an adaptor) or MiniSDHC.
SDHC's physical dimension is too large to be slotted into our device.
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They will presumably bring out Mini and Micro versions in the not too distant future....

spzero said:
you can get a convertor from sd to micro sd its being on these forums before but this is a good price for anyone looking at the shift to improve batterylife and increase storage for that as it uses sd as far as i remember
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scissors or pocket knives?

apd said:
They will presumably bring out Mini and Micro versions in the not too distant future....
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Let's hope it's not too distant in the future.

converter from sd to micro or mini.. google search just comes up with mini to sd adapter, ie wrong way round. im getting an athena, and i dont need the space, but would be cool to have the possibilty of paying 60 quid for 16 gb of storage.
and to think, 2 years ago, november 2005, i got a 2gb ms pro duo for my psp and k750 for 80 quid in singapore, when 1gb were 100 quid.. now look lol

should work if it comes in our size miniSD or microsd w/adapter.kaiser is rated up 32gb and i think the athena is the same.

rorydaredkign said:
converter from sd to micro or mini.. google search just comes up with mini to sd adapter, ie wrong way round.
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I did find one once from a no-name mfr in China or Taiwan. It was basically a Mini-SD card with a flat ribbon cable coming out of it into a PCB that had an SD adapter on. I assume it would work, but looks like it would break apart within 5 mins. And added to the fact that you would have to leave the flap open on the athena compartment.

Not quite 16GB yet, but the 12 GB microSDHC is already out. See this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=371700

any capacity will work, provided the device supports sdhc. 32gb is the official (so far) limit on the sdhc capacity

leoni1980 said:
any capacity will work, provided the device supports sdhc. 32gb is the official (so far) limit on the sdhc capacity
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My understnading is that 32 gb is the limit of the current os. Once we upgrade to wm7 this will no longer be applicable.

32gb is the official purported maximum capacity of the sdhc standard, though this 'wall' may be lifted in future (2terabytes if you believe wikipedia). It is certainly not os specific.
I think 32 gigabytes of data storage should be overkill for most people anyway. It seems many people have ample media and software on their microdrive and still have 50 percent left, though if my ssd vs sdhc poll is to be believed some people would like 64gb of storage on their Athenas: whilst this is all good for showing off, in real terms such a large amount of storage would be fairly pointless to the average joe. Only video files could realistically swamp such a chasmic void of memory and who really wants to keep films they've already watched on their hard drive (unless of course it's a particularly good film)?
This principly applies to any phone, pda or multimedia device. One use for which i do propose to use a 32gb sdhc is in my eee pc. Provided the write speed of a class 6 card is fast enough i will use one to install xp and give me the extra space for program files and dowmoads that i crave

leoni1980 said:
32gb is the official purported maximum capacity of the sdhc standard, though this 'wall' may be lifted in future (2terabytes if you believe wikipedia). It is certainly not os specific.
I think 32 gigabytes of data storage should be overkill for most people anyway. It seems many people have ample media and software on their microdrive and still have 50 percent left, though if my ssd vs sdhc poll is to be believed some people would like 64gb of storage on their Athenas: whilst this is all good for showing off, in real terms such a large amount of storage would be fairly pointless to the average joe. Only video files could realistically swamp such a chasmic void of memory and who really wants to keep films they've already watched on their hard drive (unless of course it's a particularly good film)?
This principly applies to any phone, pda or multimedia device. One use for which i do propose to use a 32gb sdhc is in my eee pc. Provided the write speed of a class 6 card is fast enough i will use one to install xp and give me the extra space for program files and dowmoads that i crave
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32GB is the maximum native partition size for window ce 5.0.
32GB is actually not difficult to fill once you start collecting musics, pictures and videos in a serious way. How big is iPod's biggest storage? Larger than 32GB I think. If I have that much space, I would convert all my old CD's and put all my CD in storage for good (may be will bury it for 200 years and have it sold as antique for a fortune then ).
Pictures is another story. It can only grow. I seldom want to delete them ever. My children's photo, no matter how old, must be kept for ever.
Another thing that I must mentioned is the video capture requirement. If you use your video camera, you will notice how quickly the disk storage get used up.
I won't be complaining about having too much disk space for this reason.
I still remember those early days when all we had on our IBM PC was a floppy and could'nt fantom why anyone could use a 10MB harddisk that cost $15,000. When my boss acquired a 100MB notebook, we all said he was insane because nobody should ever need so much space. Then, he went 1 GB! That was unthinkable. I'm seeing the same thing here. When the space is available, we will somehow find use for it, may be slowly, but surely.
May be 5 years later, we can look at this post again, and see if this is true

I agree space, however big can slowly be filled up for being social beings, one way or the other, we will be sentimental on things which we hold dear to us regardless how junk it may be for some other people.
What we are actually seeing here is the old evolution of storage space coming to life all over again. Different it may seem right now because of the difference in medium and usage but I agree with Eaglesteve. It may sound insane now but five years from now, it may look funny not just to us but to those that will replace us that we even talk about these things.
The beauty about having billions of people in this world is that in terms of economies of scale, it is faster to develop technology for everyone to use. Even if a small percentage will adopt a certain size of storage, it is already enough to make it economical for every one to use.
Even if there is a limitation in the OS that we are using right now, who's to say that it will not change in the future. It used to take MS 5 years to develop a new version of the Win CE OS. We have seen how fast Win CE evolved and we already have 1 whole version upgrade every 2 years or so. Every 6 months MS announces an aku upgrade on certain new devices. For me this is very good news, for the average joe this is nothing because he doesn't really care. His only concern is being able to use what he has. Actually the average joe is afraid of change. He wants his life to be better but is afraid of the sacrifices needed to make it better.
We, along with the minority are at the forefront of technological evolution. We are the early adoptors because we have the foresight to see the possibilities technology has in store for all of us. If we stop and become complacent, we will become the average joe and eventually get buried in the mass of zobies or sheep that the average joe really is.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion however crazy or educated they may be. However, an opinion may be shared by not just one or two but also by millions or maybe billions. It maybe that the average joe for now may crave for 8G storage whatever the medium. It may also be that people like leoni may think Asus eee may be a good replacement for the athena. But let us not forget, there are many more not voicing their opinions on this or any topic in and outside the forum.
The vocal ones maybe the catalyst for now but it is the masses or those affected by the mass marketing campaigns of businesses that will ultimately decide the future. Let us not forget though that for there to be a future for every one, we, the visionaries and early adoptors must constantly look choose for the best out there for us and influence others to our thinking. In doing so, we ensure that there will be a future for what we believe in. This is the essence of a forum. This is the reason we are here but then again, this is just my opinion.

Only 11gb off actual memory of '16gb' advertised

Find it to be verging very close to false advertising when a product sold as a 16gb device in reality is only a 11gb. That's 5 entire gb missing to the OS. That's fairly huge, but either way, don't market something as 16gb. Where's this extra 5 going to exactly?
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Last I hear it was 12.55GB available.

prawnguevara said:
Where's this extra 5 going to exactly?
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OS?

Damn, that's a lot of space gone. More than any carrier bloated phone I've used before. Glad I opted for the 32gb model.

In fact, the total space listed in storage is 12gb, of which almost 11 is 'available'. I don't get it. Surely the total space should be 16gb.
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It's been this way with phones for ages now. The advertised memory always includes the OS reserved partition. And it is 12.5GB last I checked.

prawnguevara said:
In fact, the total space listed in storage is 12gb, of which almost 11 is 'available'. I don't get it. Surely the total space should be 16gb.
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No phone ever has the total amount of space available, though.

could be worse OP,
you could own a Surface RT

prawnguevara said:
Find it to be verging very close to false advertising when a product sold as a 16gb device in reality is only a 11gb. That's 5 entire gb missing to the OS. That's fairly huge, but either way, don't market something as 16gb. Where's this extra 5 going to exactly?
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This isn't anything new? Any device advertised as 16Gb has generally 11-12 Gb effectively available for user storage, rest of it goes into formatting information, OS (system apps etc) and stuff. Also, it's the difference between counting GB as 1000 vs 1024 MB.

prawnguevara said:
Find it to be verging very close to false advertising when a product sold as a 16gb device in reality is only a 11gb. That's 5 entire gb missing to the OS. That's fairly huge, but either way, don't market something as 16gb. Where's this extra 5 going to exactly?
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That does seem like a lot, but straight from their site in the memory specs it says:
Memory
16 GB internal storage (actual formatted capacity will be less)
2 GB RAM
There are always these posts when a new phone comes out. The storage is total, not what is left after the OS is on it. Look at a Samsung or HTC phone and see how much they use, it will blow you away how much space all the skins take, not to mention how much all of the bloatware a carrier puts on it.

The 5gb is taken up with the OS and related files as well as built in apps as well as the disparity between disk size marketing and actual disk size.
All hard drives and memory are marketed with 1GB = 1000MB whereas computers actually define 1 GB as 1024MB, so that already drops you down to about 15gb including file system formatting.
The other 4GB will be the apps and stuff installed that make your phone work.
11GB free is actually pretty good. The Samsung Galaxy S4 only had 9GB free from 16GB.

Wouldn't it be wierd though if they advertised like 20.42 gigs of memory. But I would like one day to actually have 16 gigs of storage.
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tpcrackpipe said:
Damn, that's a lot of space gone. More than any carrier bloated phone I've used before. Glad I opted for the 32gb model.
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The Galaxy S 4 had 8.5GB of free space on the 16GB model.

This is why you bite the bullet and pay $50 more for the 32gb.
Then you won't spend the rest of your days with the phone kicking yourself for not just buying the larger memory device.

Was exactly the same with the n4... No shocks here
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12.55, not 11.
Advertising has been this way for years, on hard drives, etc. Worthless rant >.>

Nothing new, was like that for the Nexus 4 as well.
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bmolloy said:
That does seem like a lot, but straight from their site in the memory specs it says:
Memory
16 GB internal storage (actual formatted capacity will be less)
2 GB RAM
There are always these posts when a new phone comes out. The storage is total, not what is left after the OS is on it. Look at a Samsung or HTC phone and see how much they use, it will blow you away how much space all the skins take, not to mention how much all of the bloatware a carrier puts on it.
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[Q] Internal memory

Xperia Z1 have 16GB internal memory, but in settings says that mine have only almost 12GB. Why is that? I know that it wouldn't have 16GB, but at least 14GB. And i don't believe android uses 4GB...

The rest of it is used for system and specially GPU. It's a know fact from day one of Android. There is no device that eat less. More power, more they need, less power less they eat. Simply as that.
At the moment I don't know specifically that they are used for so maybe an expert can give you a better explanation.

6GB vs. 8GB Performance?

As the title suggests, I'm wondering if real world performance will be impacted by the RAM difference. I don't need the storage (512gb... Wow!) because I have a huge micro SD card anyway. But is it worth the price to upgrade the ram RAM? I'm thinking probably not. What do you all think?

yes, i would like to know how they will performs too.
i am hesitating to paid almost 300 bucks for extra 2g of rams if the performances are not significant.
(but i know, i am gonna end up buying that anyway, god, my OCD).
sorry, if i may, i like to add a question since this is about the Rams thread.
if i pick the phone with native 512g. storage, that is the one guarantee to have 8g of rams?
ordering from the samsung USA.
because the site have no indication or information of what model has what ram, anyone can tell me does the USA version with 512g is the 8g ram?

OutCastedSheep said:
yes, i would like to know how they will performs too.
i am hesitating to paid almost 300 bucks for extra 2g of rams if the performances are not significant.
(but i know, i am gonna end up buying that anyway, god, my OCD).
sorry, if i may, i like to add a question since this is about the Rams thread.
if i pick the phone with native 512g. storage, that is the one guarantee to have 8g of rams?
ordering from the samsung USA.
because the site have no indication or information of what model has what ram, anyone can tell me does the USA version with 512g is the 8g ram?
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You're not just paying for 2GB of extra ram, you're also paying for 384GB of extra storage space. From what I've heard., the USA version doesn't even come with 8GB of RAM (yet), so you'll just be paying the extra for the higher capacity storage.

PsiPhiDan said:
As the title suggests, I'm wondering if real world performance will be impacted by the RAM difference. I don't need the storage (512gb... Wow!) because I have a huge micro SD card anyway. But is it worth the price to upgrade the ram RAM? I'm thinking probably not. What do you all think?
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OutCastedSheep said:
yes, i would like to know how they will performs too.
i am hesitating to paid almost 300 bucks for extra 2g of rams if the performances are not significant.
(but i know, i am gonna end up buying that anyway, god, my OCD).
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No, real world performance will not be impacted by the 2 GB extra RAM. 8 GB of RAM would come in handy only if you are running so many intensive applications with some game playing side by side which is unlikely. That Extra RAM is kinda future proofing but it's a "distant" one, I would say. That nand flash storage speed is significantly higher than an SD card, but if 128 gigs internal is enough for you, it's not worth making that extra big hole in your pockets imo.
OutCastedSheep said:
sorry, if i may, i like to add a question since this is about the Rams thread.
if i pick the phone with native 512g. storage, that is the one guarantee to have 8g of rams?
ordering from the samsung USA.
because the site have no indication or information of what model has what ram, anyone can tell me does the USA version with 512g is the 8g ram?
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Though it's shown with an asterisk, it's clearly mentioned in the "Performance" section of Note 9 that,
6 GB/128 GB only.
8 GB/512 GB only.
indicating if you are buying the 512 GB storage model then it has to be the 8 GB RAM variant.
https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-note9/performance/

xdaman85 said:
You're not just paying for 2GB of extra ram, you're also paying for 384GB of extra storage space. From what I've heard., the USA version doesn't even come with 8GB of RAM (yet), so you'll just be paying the extra for the higher capacity storage.
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What are you talking about the US version doesn't come with the 8 gig of RAM? Did you watch the unpacking event which was US base?
US carriers already have the 8 gig of RAM version priced out
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They really should have done a 256gb/ 8g version.
I def dont need 512gb of storage but do want the extra ram so will have to pay the $1500 plus taxes (CAN) to get it.
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force70 said:
They really should have done a 256gb/ 8g version.
I def dont need 512gb of storage but do want the extra ram so will have to pay the $1500 plus taxes (CAN) to get it.
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If there was a 256gb 8gb version I would have ordered that thing at midnight

Bigger SSD is faster than same manufacturer/model smaller SSD. Right?
Does it work the same way in phones?

force70 said:
They really should have done a 256gb/ 8g version.
I def dont need 512gb of storage but do want the extra ram so will have to pay the $1500 plus taxes (CAN) to get it.
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Agreed man. The 512GB storage is way overkill. Wish I could get the 8GB RAM with the lesser storage. I just cant justify the extra 250$ for an extra 2GB of RAM. (Yeah, I know you get the extra storage too, but I have no need for that.) Sigh. Likely, I will only keep this for 1 year anyways, so I don't worry about "future-proofing".
My thought is on all the speed tests, the 8GB version will be faster, but in real world performance, it most likely will not matter at all. Maybe in Dex mode, if you are using it as a PC? But otherwise, I doubt anyone would notice much of a performance difference.
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bat0nas said:
Bigger SSD is faster than same manufacturer/model smaller SSD. Right?
Does it work the same way in phones?
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This depends on how much of the drive you are filling up. Not really overall drive size. At least not noticeably so.
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drmacrofish said:
This depends on how much of the drive you are filling up. Not really overall drive size. At least not noticeably so.
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People say that they won't be filling even 128GB of the internal memory.
So which phone will be faster: a 128GB phone with 70GB of data or 512GB phone with 70GB of data?

bat0nas said:
People say that they won't be filling even 128GB of the internal memory.
So which phone will be faster: a 128GB phone with 70GB of data or 512GB phone with 70GB of data?
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Most likely will be the same unless you are getting closer to filling the 128 GB drive.
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bat0nas said:
Bigger SSD is faster than same manufacturer/model smaller SSD. Right?
Does it work the same way in phones?
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Yes usually the way more storage is added is by adding more storage chips inside, and they are usually arranged in parallel. So this opens up more read/write channels for the system to use simultaneously. So there should be a real world performance gain there.

xdaman85 said:
You're not just paying for 2GB of extra ram, you're also paying for 384GB of extra storage space. From what I've heard., the USA version doesn't even come with 8GB of RAM (yet), so you'll just be paying the extra for the higher capacity storage.
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You don't have a clue what you are talking about. The US version does have 8gb on the 512gb model. It is all over every site you can order one from.

nizmoz said:
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. The US version does have 8gb on the 512gb model. It is all over every site you can order one from.
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You're right, thanks.

PsiPhiDan said:
As the title suggests, I'm wondering if real world performance will be impacted by the RAM difference. I don't need the storage (512gb... Wow!) because I have a huge micro SD card anyway. But is it worth the price to upgrade the ram RAM? I'm thinking probably not. What do you all think?
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If the improvements that 6gb had over 4gb are anything to go by, I'd say it's worth it.
I'm hoping Linux on Galaxy/Dex arrives soon, perhaps that is the reasoning behind it, especially for things like android studio.

My question is, will battery life be impacted? Meaning does more RAM result in more battery consumption? I doubt anyone really needs 8GB of RAM, but like me, I like to have the top of the line specs, but if this will impact battery performance I may I just go with the 6GB version.

djinn415 said:
My question is, will battery life be impacted? Meaning does more RAM result in more battery consumption? I doubt anyone really needs 8GB of RAM, but like me, I like to have the top of the line specs, but if this will impact battery performance I may I just go with the 6GB version.
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For the same type of RAM, more RAM consumes more power in comparison to less RAM of the same type.
But, more RAM variant of the phone takes overall less power than a lesser RAM variant of the same phone if the user is quite a multitasker as more RAM helps in multitasking by keeping more apps & tasks opened giving less stress to the CPU as it doesn't have to work on re-opening them.
So, if you are quite a heavy multitasker, go with 8 GB RAM variant (as the CPU would get less stressed by not being used for reopening apps/tasks in case of RAM being full and thus saving power), but if you are not, go with 6 GB RAM variant to save power.

Virgo_Guy said:
For the same type of RAM, more RAM consumes more power in comparison to less RAM of the same type.
But, more RAM variant of the phone takes overall less power than a lesser RAM variant of the same phone if the user is quite a multitasker as more RAM helps in multitasking by keeping more apps & tasks opened giving less stress to the CPU as it doesn't have to work on re-opening them.
So, if you are quite a heavy multitasker, go with 8 GB RAM variant (as the CPU would get less stressed by not being used for reopening apps/tasks in case of RAM being full and thus saving power), but if you are not, go with 6 GB RAM variant to save power.
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I'm not so sure that will matter when it comes to multitasking. Android has a default of the amount of things that can be stored in RAM at the same time. It's also time based, meaning that after x amount of time, that active data is not stored anymore. At least that's how it ran last time I app developed for myself.
Now if Samsung engineered their way around that with the Note 9, that would be fantastic. The other issue or obstacle is that apps would need to actually support that feature. Some of them currently don't support backgrounding over an extended period of time, but I do believe the usual memory and data hog suspects do. Facebook, Snapchat, etc.
Ya know, I just realized it's been almost two years since I developed on Android. Wow! Take what I said up there with a giant Grand Canyon grain of salt.

There will be a slight performance boost in Antutu or other benchmark apps, u can not feel it.

I have the 8gb 512 model. And if I go to ram settings it says I only have 4.8 ram left over. It's brand new. No new apps or games. So my guess is if you have the 6gb version. You will probably only have like 3 or less to work with. I'm confused on why this is. Can someone enlighten me please?

Question System Storage

The storage requirements for System and Other seem excessive at over 55GB. Is this amount comparable to usage in your device?

On my 256gb model, the system takes up 31ish gigs. So I'm guessing with the 512gb model, 50gigs lines up about right. Don't know why there's always this space used up relative to the storage size but....yup.

Sounds about right.

chetly968 said:
On my 256gb model, the system takes up 31ish gigs. So I'm guessing with the 512gb model, 50gigs lines up about right. Don't know why there's always this space used up relative to the storage size but....yup.
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Yeah, I don't get it either. The System requirments would seem to be identical regardless of the device's storage capacity. Samsung is reducing storage requirements on the lower capacity devices but whats being withheld or unnecessarly allocated is a mystery.

varcor said:
Yeah, I don't get it either. The System requirments would seem to be identical regardless of the device's storage capacity. Samsung is reducing storage requirements on the lower capacity devices but whats being withheld is a mystery.
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Probably is reserve system space allocated referenced by the total drive size... my guess.