Question System Storage - Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra

The storage requirements for System and Other seem excessive at over 55GB. Is this amount comparable to usage in your device?

On my 256gb model, the system takes up 31ish gigs. So I'm guessing with the 512gb model, 50gigs lines up about right. Don't know why there's always this space used up relative to the storage size but....yup.

Sounds about right.

chetly968 said:
On my 256gb model, the system takes up 31ish gigs. So I'm guessing with the 512gb model, 50gigs lines up about right. Don't know why there's always this space used up relative to the storage size but....yup.
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Yeah, I don't get it either. The System requirments would seem to be identical regardless of the device's storage capacity. Samsung is reducing storage requirements on the lower capacity devices but whats being withheld or unnecessarly allocated is a mystery.

varcor said:
Yeah, I don't get it either. The System requirments would seem to be identical regardless of the device's storage capacity. Samsung is reducing storage requirements on the lower capacity devices but whats being withheld is a mystery.
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Probably is reserve system space allocated referenced by the total drive size... my guess.

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[Q] Effective internal memory is 11.07 GB..??

Is this true......
tejesh.mundra said:
Is this true......
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Thats true and common in All Note.
If you compare with 4s internal memories, and the samsung galaxy S2 and S1.. It's different, i think the rest of the memories been given to the operating system.. So i thought of the first day i use Note after S1/S2/4s.. The bigger the phone the less the size of the memories LOL.. But that good to have external memories. Ever tried installing 32gigs memories card?
tejesh.mundra said:
Is this true......
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Yup. It is 16GB, and that appears to be split into:
800 MB 'RAM'
1 GB 'Phone Space'
11 GB 'usb storage'
Using my amazing mathematical powers, I deduce that excluding the silly 'GB rounding errors', we have 3 GB or so left over and that contains the OS itself. I am guessing about that however, it may be laid out in separate chips or something. It seems most likely that a 16 GB ship would be used, however, as 11 GB chips just don't exist.
Nothing new. I have a 4GB memory stick, and surely enough it's not 4GB, but it's 3.7 GB. My laptop has 500GB HDD, but it doesn't have the full 500GB, but it has 470GB. That's 30GB out the window.
I don't understand why they don't make it 530GB, take their stinking 30GB, and give me my 500GB
"The difference between units based on SI and binary prefixes increases as a semi-logarithmic (linear-log) function—for example, the SI kilobyte value is nearly 98% of the kibibyte, a megabyte is under 96% of a mebibyte, and a gigabyte is just over 93% of a gibibyte value. This means that a 300*GB (279*GiB) hard disk is indicated only as 279*GB. As storage sizes increase and larger units are used, this difference becomes even more pronounced."
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William Haven said:
"The difference between units based on SI and binary prefixes increases as a semi-logarithmic (linear-log) function—for example, the SI kilobyte value is nearly 98% of the kibibyte, a megabyte is under 96% of a mebibyte, and a gigabyte is just over 93% of a gibibyte value. This means that a 300*GB (279*GiB) hard disk is indicated only as 279*GB. As storage sizes increase and larger units are used, this difference becomes even more pronounced."
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While that is certainly true of hard disks, because of their arbitrary size, you will notice that all flash drives, and indeed all memory chips, come in 'set' sizes. Each is basically double the previous. In such chips the size issue you mention would not cause any difference, I believe.
I am pretty certain that this thing has a 16GB memory chip, but the partition for usb storage is just a partition of that.
jeromepearce said:
While that is certainly true of hard disks, because of their arbitrary size, you will notice that all flash drives, and indeed all memory chips, come in 'set' sizes. Each is basically double the previous. In such chips the size issue you mention would not cause any difference, I believe.
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Yes, it would. The maths is still the same, no matter the size of the device or its type. Like e.g. my 16GB microSDHC is actually 14.9GiB.
As for the OP: it is common for device manufacturers to report the whole amount of installed storage, even if that storage cannot be used by end-users. It's a simple marketing trick where the only point is to try to make it seem more than it actually is in reality. It's not technically lying, it's just not telling the whole truth.
Also you can quite safely assume that you'll actually be able to use only about 70% of the reported storage space, the rest is for ROM and such. It's the same thing for all of my mobile devices, including my Iconia Tab A500 tablet.
Actually, that is not entirely correct. Flash-based storage devices come with sizes in powers of two as, I believe, this is a consequence of the technology and of the manufacturing process.
Your example of the SDHC card is valid only because the formatted capacity is different and always smaller than the device capacity due to filesystem overhead. There is no units conversion loss here, it is a real one because you simply cannot have a filesystem without any overhead (remember that there is no free lunch).
Magnetic storage devices do suffer, however, from the misleading advertisement of having their capacity expressed in powers of ten, not of two. Moreover, there also is the loss of user-available capacity by the means of using a filesystem, so then you have a two-fold decrease in total user available capacity.
To cut a long story short: the Note has, indeed, a 16 GiB flash-storage chip inside. A part of this is reserved for the OS (about 3 GiB), another part is reserved for application storage (about 2 GiB) and the rest (about 11 GiB) is all for the user to fill up with her stuff.
inkanyamba said:
Actually, that is not entirely correct. Flash-based storage devices come with sizes in powers of two as, I believe, this is a consequence of the technology and of the manufacturing process.
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That is my understanding too.
Just do as I did and add a 64GB NTFS formatted SDHC. No problems, no more.
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[Q] Internal memory

Xperia Z1 have 16GB internal memory, but in settings says that mine have only almost 12GB. Why is that? I know that it wouldn't have 16GB, but at least 14GB. And i don't believe android uses 4GB...
The rest of it is used for system and specially GPU. It's a know fact from day one of Android. There is no device that eat less. More power, more they need, less power less they eat. Simply as that.
At the moment I don't know specifically that they are used for so maybe an expert can give you a better explanation.

Only 8GB

Got a note 5 n920v. phone shows only 8gb of memory, which is 90% full of system files. I did flash this to stock, but was wondering if they ever made a 8gb version of this phone. is there any way to check to see what is the actual file size of the phone. i thought they only made this a 32/64gb.
The Note 5 is indeed just 32-64gb, only setback is that TouchWiz/Grace UI eats quite a hefty amount of storage.

6GB vs. 8GB Performance?

As the title suggests, I'm wondering if real world performance will be impacted by the RAM difference. I don't need the storage (512gb... Wow!) because I have a huge micro SD card anyway. But is it worth the price to upgrade the ram RAM? I'm thinking probably not. What do you all think?
yes, i would like to know how they will performs too.
i am hesitating to paid almost 300 bucks for extra 2g of rams if the performances are not significant.
(but i know, i am gonna end up buying that anyway, god, my OCD).
sorry, if i may, i like to add a question since this is about the Rams thread.
if i pick the phone with native 512g. storage, that is the one guarantee to have 8g of rams?
ordering from the samsung USA.
because the site have no indication or information of what model has what ram, anyone can tell me does the USA version with 512g is the 8g ram?
OutCastedSheep said:
yes, i would like to know how they will performs too.
i am hesitating to paid almost 300 bucks for extra 2g of rams if the performances are not significant.
(but i know, i am gonna end up buying that anyway, god, my OCD).
sorry, if i may, i like to add a question since this is about the Rams thread.
if i pick the phone with native 512g. storage, that is the one guarantee to have 8g of rams?
ordering from the samsung USA.
because the site have no indication or information of what model has what ram, anyone can tell me does the USA version with 512g is the 8g ram?
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You're not just paying for 2GB of extra ram, you're also paying for 384GB of extra storage space. From what I've heard., the USA version doesn't even come with 8GB of RAM (yet), so you'll just be paying the extra for the higher capacity storage.
PsiPhiDan said:
As the title suggests, I'm wondering if real world performance will be impacted by the RAM difference. I don't need the storage (512gb... Wow!) because I have a huge micro SD card anyway. But is it worth the price to upgrade the ram RAM? I'm thinking probably not. What do you all think?
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OutCastedSheep said:
yes, i would like to know how they will performs too.
i am hesitating to paid almost 300 bucks for extra 2g of rams if the performances are not significant.
(but i know, i am gonna end up buying that anyway, god, my OCD).
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No, real world performance will not be impacted by the 2 GB extra RAM. 8 GB of RAM would come in handy only if you are running so many intensive applications with some game playing side by side which is unlikely. That Extra RAM is kinda future proofing but it's a "distant" one, I would say. That nand flash storage speed is significantly higher than an SD card, but if 128 gigs internal is enough for you, it's not worth making that extra big hole in your pockets imo.
OutCastedSheep said:
sorry, if i may, i like to add a question since this is about the Rams thread.
if i pick the phone with native 512g. storage, that is the one guarantee to have 8g of rams?
ordering from the samsung USA.
because the site have no indication or information of what model has what ram, anyone can tell me does the USA version with 512g is the 8g ram?
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Though it's shown with an asterisk, it's clearly mentioned in the "Performance" section of Note 9 that,
6 GB/128 GB only.
8 GB/512 GB only.
indicating if you are buying the 512 GB storage model then it has to be the 8 GB RAM variant.
https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-note9/performance/
xdaman85 said:
You're not just paying for 2GB of extra ram, you're also paying for 384GB of extra storage space. From what I've heard., the USA version doesn't even come with 8GB of RAM (yet), so you'll just be paying the extra for the higher capacity storage.
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What are you talking about the US version doesn't come with the 8 gig of RAM? Did you watch the unpacking event which was US base?
US carriers already have the 8 gig of RAM version priced out
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They really should have done a 256gb/ 8g version.
I def dont need 512gb of storage but do want the extra ram so will have to pay the $1500 plus taxes (CAN) to get it.
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force70 said:
They really should have done a 256gb/ 8g version.
I def dont need 512gb of storage but do want the extra ram so will have to pay the $1500 plus taxes (CAN) to get it.
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If there was a 256gb 8gb version I would have ordered that thing at midnight
Bigger SSD is faster than same manufacturer/model smaller SSD. Right?
Does it work the same way in phones?
force70 said:
They really should have done a 256gb/ 8g version.
I def dont need 512gb of storage but do want the extra ram so will have to pay the $1500 plus taxes (CAN) to get it.
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Agreed man. The 512GB storage is way overkill. Wish I could get the 8GB RAM with the lesser storage. I just cant justify the extra 250$ for an extra 2GB of RAM. (Yeah, I know you get the extra storage too, but I have no need for that.) Sigh. Likely, I will only keep this for 1 year anyways, so I don't worry about "future-proofing".
My thought is on all the speed tests, the 8GB version will be faster, but in real world performance, it most likely will not matter at all. Maybe in Dex mode, if you are using it as a PC? But otherwise, I doubt anyone would notice much of a performance difference.
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bat0nas said:
Bigger SSD is faster than same manufacturer/model smaller SSD. Right?
Does it work the same way in phones?
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This depends on how much of the drive you are filling up. Not really overall drive size. At least not noticeably so.
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drmacrofish said:
This depends on how much of the drive you are filling up. Not really overall drive size. At least not noticeably so.
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People say that they won't be filling even 128GB of the internal memory.
So which phone will be faster: a 128GB phone with 70GB of data or 512GB phone with 70GB of data?
bat0nas said:
People say that they won't be filling even 128GB of the internal memory.
So which phone will be faster: a 128GB phone with 70GB of data or 512GB phone with 70GB of data?
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Most likely will be the same unless you are getting closer to filling the 128 GB drive.
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bat0nas said:
Bigger SSD is faster than same manufacturer/model smaller SSD. Right?
Does it work the same way in phones?
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Yes usually the way more storage is added is by adding more storage chips inside, and they are usually arranged in parallel. So this opens up more read/write channels for the system to use simultaneously. So there should be a real world performance gain there.
xdaman85 said:
You're not just paying for 2GB of extra ram, you're also paying for 384GB of extra storage space. From what I've heard., the USA version doesn't even come with 8GB of RAM (yet), so you'll just be paying the extra for the higher capacity storage.
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You don't have a clue what you are talking about. The US version does have 8gb on the 512gb model. It is all over every site you can order one from.
nizmoz said:
You don't have a clue what you are talking about. The US version does have 8gb on the 512gb model. It is all over every site you can order one from.
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You're right, thanks.
PsiPhiDan said:
As the title suggests, I'm wondering if real world performance will be impacted by the RAM difference. I don't need the storage (512gb... Wow!) because I have a huge micro SD card anyway. But is it worth the price to upgrade the ram RAM? I'm thinking probably not. What do you all think?
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If the improvements that 6gb had over 4gb are anything to go by, I'd say it's worth it.
I'm hoping Linux on Galaxy/Dex arrives soon, perhaps that is the reasoning behind it, especially for things like android studio.
My question is, will battery life be impacted? Meaning does more RAM result in more battery consumption? I doubt anyone really needs 8GB of RAM, but like me, I like to have the top of the line specs, but if this will impact battery performance I may I just go with the 6GB version.
djinn415 said:
My question is, will battery life be impacted? Meaning does more RAM result in more battery consumption? I doubt anyone really needs 8GB of RAM, but like me, I like to have the top of the line specs, but if this will impact battery performance I may I just go with the 6GB version.
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For the same type of RAM, more RAM consumes more power in comparison to less RAM of the same type.
But, more RAM variant of the phone takes overall less power than a lesser RAM variant of the same phone if the user is quite a multitasker as more RAM helps in multitasking by keeping more apps & tasks opened giving less stress to the CPU as it doesn't have to work on re-opening them.
So, if you are quite a heavy multitasker, go with 8 GB RAM variant (as the CPU would get less stressed by not being used for reopening apps/tasks in case of RAM being full and thus saving power), but if you are not, go with 6 GB RAM variant to save power.
Virgo_Guy said:
For the same type of RAM, more RAM consumes more power in comparison to less RAM of the same type.
But, more RAM variant of the phone takes overall less power than a lesser RAM variant of the same phone if the user is quite a multitasker as more RAM helps in multitasking by keeping more apps & tasks opened giving less stress to the CPU as it doesn't have to work on re-opening them.
So, if you are quite a heavy multitasker, go with 8 GB RAM variant (as the CPU would get less stressed by not being used for reopening apps/tasks in case of RAM being full and thus saving power), but if you are not, go with 6 GB RAM variant to save power.
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I'm not so sure that will matter when it comes to multitasking. Android has a default of the amount of things that can be stored in RAM at the same time. It's also time based, meaning that after x amount of time, that active data is not stored anymore. At least that's how it ran last time I app developed for myself.
Now if Samsung engineered their way around that with the Note 9, that would be fantastic. The other issue or obstacle is that apps would need to actually support that feature. Some of them currently don't support backgrounding over an extended period of time, but I do believe the usual memory and data hog suspects do. Facebook, Snapchat, etc.
Ya know, I just realized it's been almost two years since I developed on Android. Wow! Take what I said up there with a giant Grand Canyon grain of salt.
There will be a slight performance boost in Antutu or other benchmark apps, u can not feel it.
I have the 8gb 512 model. And if I go to ram settings it says I only have 4.8 ram left over. It's brand new. No new apps or games. So my guess is if you have the 6gb version. You will probably only have like 3 or less to work with. I'm confused on why this is. Can someone enlighten me please?

Question Tab S8+ RAM (scam)

Hello
I noticed that my Tab S8+ is getting a bit sluggish so I thought I'd check the memory after rebooting. I bought the Tab S8+ 256GB 5G model which was supposed to come with 8GB of RAM. It looks like mine has 4GB of physical memory but another 4GB using "Memory Plus".
Surely this is a scam and therefore not legal.
Am I the only one? Should I take this to trading standards?
thecrater said:
Hello
I noticed that my Tab S8+ is getting a bit sluggish so I thought I'd check the memory after rebooting. I bought the Tab S8+ 256GB 5G model which was supposed to come with 8GB of RAM. It looks like mine has 4GB of physical memory but another 4GB using "Memory Plus".
Surely this is a scam and therefore not legal.
Am I the only one? Should I take this to trading standards?
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I'd be careful about making assumptions about what you consider legal. It is true that many companies toe the line when it comes to false advertising.
In this case, Samsung is using some of the storage as RAM; they're doing this because volatile RAM is fairly expensive and power hungry, whereas NVRAM is cheaper and does not require power to maintain its state. It's essentially the same thing as a paging file in Windows. There's no scam, it's just a marketing gimmick, albeit a technically inaccurate one.
On my SM-X808U, it is called RAM Plus and it is user adjustable between 2 GB and 8. It does not affect the amount of installed memory which is 8GB.
Where did you see 4+4? It's 8+4. Just disable the memory plus, it's easily doable with one ui 5.
Download aida64 before you say it's scam. Since that app registers after how much RAM is installed. For me it says 16GB LPDDR5. Then you have RAM plus to extend ram even more, by using storage.
Mine is a s8 ultra

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