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The TownHall Meeting has been officially started. Here are the rules of engagement:
Ok, enough joking for now. Here are the true rules of engagement:
1. Posts that are flaming or flame bait are to be deleted, no questions asked.
2. Language to be edited on sight....
3. No banning, No infractions.
4. Moderators will act only as a mediator, so we will not be taking sides with anyone.
Welcome everyone
@everyone,
Please respect the rules above and I can guarantee you that by the end of the day, we will have a much happier and friendlier atmosphere in this place.
Summary of action items
This was a good meeting in General and it has covered all of the things that I had in my agenda. A few action items on our (mods) end:
1. New threads for ROM updates: Rom threads become quasi chaotic after page 100 or so. Since Chefs update most of their work often, I would suggest that chefs open a new thread for each version with a date and version number to distinguish it from the previous one (maybe even a name)
ie [ROM] 12/15/10 - Inchybrid v 1.2 - all is good now
2. Rom Review Thread: In order to minimize the clutter of the usual "what rom is best" questions, we will start a ROM thread where chefs can post a link to their roms on the first few posts and users will be able to leave reviews (not necessarily feedback), but reviews. So, when someone comes asking for the best rom, that person can be directed there.
3. Wiki update and guides (sticky): These need to be heavily updated, but will certainly be a useful tool to help people with questions.
4. Location / shape of the Report button: I will talk to the other admins and see what can be done about this one.
5. Preventing non-devs from making new threads in Dev: We are currently discussing a system for this. We will keep you posted if and when we reach a conclusion.
6. Off Topic Lounge: There will be a thread in General for you guys to blow off steam. Nothing fancy, but you can post there without having to open a new thread in OT general
Now, onto the action items results and requests from us (mods)
1. Further flaming for questions will not be tolerated. I gathered from this meeting that everyone agrees on a stance that people need not be flamed for asking anything. If there are questions in the wrong areas or simply don't feel like answering, refrain from posting and report it to us. We will move it to Q&A or General depending on the question. Building on this point, if anyone is caught flaming someone who posted in the correct section, that person will be given a vacation.
2. Rule 12 (aka Kanging): Rom chefs (no matter if they are themers or zip wizards), if they are using someone else's efforts as a base for their rom, they are to abide by Rule 12 by asking permission and posting the due credit in the opening post. Kanging will not be tolerated.
3. Donations: This was barely brushed but I feel that we reached an understanding rather quickly on this one. Chefs shall not ask for Donations to release early work.
4. Posting any kind of flaming will not be tolerated. If you feel that a post shouldn't be there, please let us know and we will take care of that.
I think this pretty much summed everything up. If I missed something, please let me know. I expect everyone to adhere to codes of conduct in this site. Thanks to all for attending.
I think the problems in the Development forums stem from a general misconception of what it means to be a "developer" and how one earns that title. Often I will hear people flame people like Team Whiskey or Master as mere "re-skinners", because the main(not all) thing that is in their changelog is mere aesthetic changes. I think the mods should post clearly that anything that involves changing the rom should be considered a type of development, even if only graphical development. This would dissolve any type of hate towards people that reskin or release graphical modifications to already existing roms.(IMHO)
Ok, since we are off to a slow start, there are a few topics that I would like to address today. The biggest one, in my book anyways, is forum conduct.
We have had numerous complains coming from the Vibrant fora from newcomers (n00bs) complaining that they cannot even dare ask anything due to fear of being flamed to smithereens. Anyone care to elaborate on this?
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I think the problems in the Development forums stem from a general misconception of what it means to be a "developer" and how one earns that title. Often I will hear people flame people like Team Whiskey or Master as mere "re-skinners", because the main(not all) thing that is in their changelog is mere aesthetic changes. I think the mods should post clearly that anything that involves changing the rom should be considered a type of development, even if only graphical development. This would dissolve any type of hate towards people that reskin or release graphical modifications to already existing roms.(IMHO)
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Thanks for starting things off...
So, what you are saying is that a lot of the flaming occurs due to skinners being deemed as kangers. Am I getting this right?
I'm sure there are other personal issues, but I have seen much flaming on reskinning.
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I'm sure there are other personal issues, but I have seen much flaming on reskinning.
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Fair enough, let me bring forth the rule that addresses this issue "Using the work of others"
12. Using the work of others.
If you are developing something that is based on the work of another Member, you MUST first seek their permission, and you must give credit to the member whose work you used. If a dispute occurs about who developed / created a piece of work, first try to settle the matter by private message and NOT in open forum. If this fails then you may contact a moderator with clear evidence that the work was created by you.
Convincing evidence will result in copied work being removed. If there is no clear evidence you created the work then in the spirit of sharing all work will remain posted on the forums.
These rules apply to all software posted on XDA unless that software comes with a license that waives these rules.
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In essence skinning is ok so as long as the member seeks permission from the original dev. It looks like the biggest problem is either a misunderstanding about this rule or lack of knowledge about its existence by both accusing party and "guilty/innocent" party. As a general rule of thumb, if you are making a rom that is based on someone else's work:
* Ask for permission
* Give credit where its due
Simple as that.
Interesting point...
From my experience on hero, people tend to post a theme pack for a ROM. For example, a few regular users port the same few themes into each new ROM I make, and release an add-on patch for it.
They don't go and release it as a separate ROM, but if they did, I have no doubt they would ask me about it first, and I would say sure, but with the caveat that we don't want it to happen too often... What would people think if we had one ROM that is tweaked theme-wise a few times and re-posted as separate ROMs?
There's no "right" answer, but provided people ask the original developers, and give credit per rule 12, then there is no issue with the rules there, so users would be allowed to.
Whether or not it is a "ROM" is up to individual perspectives then.
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Fair enough, let me bring forth the rule that addresses this issue "Using the work of others"
In essence skinning is ok so as long as the member seeks permission from the original dev.
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I don't even think its a permission issue really. I've just seen in a few threads people calling a skinner a developer, and then you'll have a flamefest erupt of people saying that skinning or winzipping isn't developing. I think this leads everyone more away from the truth that it's all contributions to the community and should be treated as such.
As far as the flaming issue goes, I think that people are too quick to respond to bait. If a post is flamebait, I wish people would just ignore it. I think that would help a lot. Maybe along with thanking there could be a voting system for unhelpful posts? I don't know.
On a different note, I think it would be useful to have a review thread for every ROM in the General forum. Constructive reviews only. This would help keep Development threads for bugfixing and dev issues instead of 8 million "what's battery life like?" User screenshots, battery life comments, general performance commentary, etc could all be in the review thread. If someone posts "omg this rom rulez" or "it sucks" they could be given a canned response to give an actual constructive review in that review thread. Just a suggestion. Thanks.
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I don't even think its a permission issue really. I've just seen in a few threads people calling a skinner a developer, and then you'll have a flamefest erupt of people saying that skinning or winzipping isn't developing. I think this leads everyone more away from the truth that it's all contributions to the community and should be treated as such.
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Ok, I think that we are getting closer to the heart of the matter. Conceptions of what people's role is should not be grounds for calling someone out or flaming them. The whole thing actually gets simpler from this point on.
One (implied) rule of thumb is that if the "dev" in question cannot support their release, you are more than likely dealing with a themer or a "zip wizard" and as such, you are probably better off trying to find the source of the rom and apply the theme/fix as a separate add-on.
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As far as the flaming issue goes, I think that people are too quick to respond to bait. If a post is flamebait, I wish people would just ignore it. I think that would help a lot. Maybe along with thanking there could be a voting system for unhelpful posts? I don't know.
On a different note, I think it would be useful to have a review thread for every ROM in the General forum. Constructive reviews only. This would help keep Development threads for bugfixing and dev issues instead of 8 million "what's battery life like?" User screenshots, battery life comments, general performance commentary, etc could all be in the review thread. If someone posts "omg this rom rulez" or "it sucks" they could be given a canned response to give an actual constructive review in that review thread. Just a suggestion. Thanks.
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It may be a bit of added work, but the Rom review thread is not a bad idea. Just keep it clean from clutter and you have a very good tool to prevent new threads of "What is the best rom?" kind from erupting... I like that!
When it comes from flaming, some people will just put out flame bait for the hell of it. What I need, or at least I would like to see, is for everyone to stick to code of conduct and either ignore it, report it, or else, just not add to the fire.
First, we do recognize that we have a problem. We know this because 1) developers are leaving and forming their own sites because they don't like some of the things going on here. And 2) newer people are afraid to post here. Instead, they go to other forums and ask questions and state that they are afraid to post here. Both of these are big problems for the health of the site.
So, we look at the root causes. Most of them stem from 1) a lack of courtesy or 2) a lack of proper conduct. But I think the problems start with:
1. The Samsung Vibrant's stock software is not up to par due to some poor performing components, such as the GPS.
2. Samsung and T-Mobile have failed to communicate with their community.
3. Many people have come to sites like XDA for help.
What this means is that we have a lot of people in the Development forum who really aren't developers. But, they are here because they want help making their Vibrants perform better. That's not an excuse. I'm just saying that we probably have a lot of people in the Developer section who probably should be in QA or General section.
I think we would do well to:
1. Create a NooB forum, or emphasize the General forum as the place to be.
2. Post all new released ROMs in its own forum (not General, but "ROMS" or "Releases") That way people can go there for ROMS and for SUPPORT.
3. I would hope that this would enable the development forum to get back to being one were developers (or people who are interested in developing) could hang out.
Lastly, there are just some people who are like to cause trouble or are overly sensitive. I'm not sure what to do with them. But if they can't play nice, probably the first thing is to "parent" them and see if they can play nice. If that doesn't work, then it is time for a "timeout", or a temporary or permanent ban.
Lastly, while I appreciate the TownHall meeting, let's not lose site of the good things happening here. I would say that the majority of people are following the rules and making meaningful contributions. But if just 10% of the people do bad things, it colors the entire community.
The Vibrant subforums have seemed to be more Wild West than anything. I feel there should be a better mod presence. Don't get me wrong, I know exactly how difficult it is to do all the moderating, especially given how much of it is behind the scenes, but I feel that there is still some regulation lacking. We need to see more people get warned within threads that get out of hand, and frankly, some banning might get the message across that XDA is going to stop taking this crap from people. This board has gotten ridiculous w/ the flaming and incessant bs. Moderation can only go so much, since it's really up to the posting base to change their ways and be more respectful towards one another in order to truly make a long-term difference, but in the short-term we need some better, more aggresive moderation since changing peoples' posting habits will not be a quick thing to happen.
Proud to be a noob
I think there does seem to be a general consensus around us "noobs" about our failure to use the "search" function in a thread that has over 600 + pages of posts. God knows I would love to just flash a ROM and read basic information or FAQ's from the developer (the one individual who SHOULD know more about their own product than anyone) if I have questions, but when you have over 200 posts about how much others love/hate the ROM/developer or personal rants or recommendations/requests for the ROM they have had no part in developing, it does make it difficult to filter out the answer to the force close issue I am experiencing (for example). Then the flame wars begin! How DARE I ask that question since it was answered previously 42 pages back with a link to another developers thread, posted on page 418 of their 700 page manifesto...you get the hint. Finding basic answers to questions is challenging at best, and most newcomers end up getting ridiculed to the point of not wanting to have any further part, or end up flaming right back. Newsflash : just because you have flashed every possible combination of ROM/kernel/modem, does in no way make you an expert. Leave that to the people that make the ROM. Replies should be streamlined to relevant information allowed only, or force a PM if you want to discuss something irrelevant or bash a newcomer if it makes you feel better.
Keslynn said:
As far as the flaming issue goes, I think that people are too quick to respond to bait. If a post is flamebait, I wish people would just ignore it. I think that would help a lot. Maybe along with thanking there could be a voting system for unhelpful posts? I don't know.
On a different note, I think it would be useful to have a review thread for every ROM in the General forum. Constructive reviews only. This would help keep Development threads for bugfixing and dev issues instead of 8 million "what's battery life like?" User screenshots, battery life comments, general performance commentary, etc could all be in the review thread. If someone posts "omg this rom rulez" or "it sucks" they could be given a canned response to give an actual constructive review in that review thread. Just a suggestion. Thanks.
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I was think about that the other day...that's a good idea and that way the develoment forum will be kept clean.
lralexl said:
I'm sure there are other personal issues, but I have seen much flaming on reskinning.
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Are you able to comment on the personal issues or are you simply surmising?
Thanks
WB
egzthunder1 said:
Ok, I think that we are getting closer to the heart of the matter. Conceptions of what people's role is should not be grounds for calling someone out or flaming them. The whole thing actually gets simpler from this point on.
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To expand on this point, I've noticed people flaming over pretty much any definition. Someone posts that they're disappointed by GPS performance or screen burn in, and they get an argument over what constitutes a "feature" of the phone and told that their concern is not important. People forget that what might not be important to them may be a dealbreaker for someone else.
egzthunder1 said:
Ok, since we are off to a slow start, there are a few topics that I would like to address today. The biggest one, in my book anyways, is forum conduct.
We have had numerous complains coming from the Vibrant fora from newcomers (n00bs) complaining that they cannot even dare ask anything due to fear of being flamed to smithereens. Anyone care to elaborate on this?
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Since that's where I spend most of my time I can say for certain that this is true. I think there's a lot of younger kids in the vibrant forum who like picking fights and just generally being less than friendly. It seems like the answer to most questions asked is go search for it yourself. The information is readily available most of the time if theyd just look, but there's no reason to be rude about it.
With that said, I think since the thanks button has been added its made for a better atmosphere--so far. Definitely a welcome addition that will hopefully keep things civil.
Well guys, I am seriously thinking of leaving xda. All of my posts are being moved from development to general "lufc" stating that they have nothing to do with development. Granted 1 or 2 of them dont, but not all of them. And he is leaving up posts in there from users that posted stuff since before I even owned this device. I will stay on here til I get CWM running. But after that I am thinking of leaving for good.
Dont take this the wrong way. I mean a couple of you are giving some useful insight, but honestly I am working on this myself and I only got 19 thanks on here and no donations. I mean, im not asking by any means for anyone to fork up anything for this especially since I have not finished the first and most essential need for the streak before any deving can be done. But with that being said, after I get CWM completed, there is really nothing holding me here since you guys wont even see my posts when they get moved half way across the universe.
Sorry guys. And then again, I might just stay, who knows
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This issue has been raised in the past, and it was determined by the Senior staff that any threads in [Device] Development must either contain a released product (i.e. ROMs), or tweaks/patches (i.e. registry fixes). Any threads that do not meet these requirements will be moved to General. All questions will be moved to Q&A is it exists for a particular device.
@OP: Creating a thread like this is not the correct channel to discuss actions taken by a Forum Moderator. Going forward, please reply to the automated PM you received as each thread was moved, or send a PM to any Senior Moderator, and we will take a look.
Annoy the hell outta me. I like to wander the forums, but lately its a ***** trying to find development threads since they are all moved around. Now we have Nexus 3G and 4G ROMs that are similar other than model numbers all being moved to the General forum. Cyanogenmod Kangs, Miui ports, Bugless Beast. This is confusing as hell.
So maybe these aren't meeting the developement criteria to stay within sub-forum. But maybe its time to reconsider rules of the forums. For someone new jumping into these threads, this General Forum looks like ass. I can't even count how many ICS ROMs there are, and then have to I have to put my Sherlock Holmes hat on and investigate which one is for my device.
I know I can bookmark threads, and save favorites. But I like seeing buzz in the development forums by seeing what stays bumped. Can't really do that in the general.
Just my 2 pennies on all this moderator power tripping BS going on here.
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I agree. I've sent messages to other mods and the only response i get is that they will look into it. It is definitely an unnecessary move on the mods part, but what can we do. Look for this thread to be locked also before too long, because it probably will be, your not allowed to express your opinion in the general section now either. I wish we could get more developers over on Rootzwiki. I don't see this happening on all of the other forums either.
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Agree...
I couldn't agree more. I made a thread in the General Section, the main General section, not for any particular device. The thread was "Show your ICS home screens". I said in the thread, "Here's my current setup on NS4G". So they moved the thread to Nexus s general. then another modderator moved it again. I gave up.
Devs come on to post thir work, they can't post in certain forums or post links until they have posted X amount of times. I get the idea, but it's stupid! I can open a new user acct, go to the iphone section post 10 posts totally unreleated to android, then come back to the Android section, & like magic, I'm qualified to post in the dev threads.
Another thing is the mods pissing off the devs. A development forum without developers posting to it won't stand long.
I can't believe this thread isn't already closed...
I also agree with everything that was said. Another issue that chaps my ass is the retards running rampant in development threads. Shame that the knowledgeable, skilled developers are treated like dogs while idiots who can't even make a phone call are allowed to clog up threads and curse at people who try to help them.
This forum has very quickly become unbearable to frequent. I know it's a free world and I'm free to post elsewhere, but what drew me to xda was its reputation as a true developer's site. Very sad to see what it's become.
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Ya, I also agree. It's a mess around here. This site was always my first stop in the morning. Now I hit Rootz Wiki and a few others.
And the General forum. Sheesh!
Agreed. With everything said here. This place is a cluster***.
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The best way to search threads is to go to google....
Then type what you want and at the end of your search criteria;
Type "xda"
This will pull the thread you need right up.
Hope this helps.
I have to agree as well. I don't know how the other phone sections are looking, but the Nexus S section is way too messy, not to mention the fact that 2 of the best Roms (GPA19 and Oxygen) are not even on this site. You gotta ask why the good developers are not on this site anymore. Yet Drew Garen's crap is everywhere. I have been using this site for over 4 years and this is the worst it has ever been. Something needs to change, and quickly.
*UPDATE* Jesus, as I was typing this the thread was moved. This is exactly what we are talking about here. Quit doing this stupid ****.
I guess I'm the only one here that thinks you basically need to learn how to use the forums, rather than expect them to suit your ideal. There's a few million other members to consider.
Lets see:
Sprint user
Sprint user
Sprint user
Sprint user
Sprint user
Sprint user
Not defined
Orange....
makes me wonder
Listen you guys...if you seem to have an issue with anything on this site and have already contacted "The Mods" and have not been replied properly..contact the Administrators with your concerns instead of opening yet another "Boo-hoo..I hate this site and everything it stands for but I'ma continue to download anyway" thread.
Thread closed because I felt the need to do so and to flex my Mod muscles....Ta-ta
M_T_M
I've been coming to XDA for quite some time now, but recently its been getting out of hand. It has become extremely difficult to follow certain threads because the pointless arguments have drastically increased the amount of pages that I have to filter through. Even using the search function has been useless at times because quotes and responses are often directed towards a single comment. Sometimes it takes a few pages for these back and forth attacks to end.
I have reached the point where I don't flash nightly ROMs because I don't want to filter through twenty pages of arguments and insults. I simply move from stable release to stable release. At least with those I know there isn't as many bugs and I do not have to search for many solutions. In my opinion, this ruins one of the aspects of being a nexus owner. If anything has altered my experience with my nexus 4, it has been the few individuals that choose to insult everything and everyone in these threads. I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we must all respect that, but that does not mean that anyone is entitled to insult another member in this forum because they disagree with your opinion or your preference in hardware or software.
I posted this thread in the nexus 4 general section because I cannot speak in regards to other forums. I enjoy the opportunities and the idea of XDA, but I feel we, the general members, stray from the main point of XDA. I know this is contradictory to my plea, but I honestly want to improve the XDA experience. If it must be locked I understand, but part of my philosophy is to find a solution if something is not working as it should. Thanks for the time and I hope that my plea makes some difference.
Good luck,
The Penguin
The.Penguin said:
I've been coming to XDA for quite some time now, but recently its been getting out of hand. It has become extremely difficult to follow certain threads because the pointless arguments have drastically increased the amount of pages that I have to filter through. Even using the search function has been useless at times because quotes and responses are often directed towards a single comment. Sometimes it takes a few pages for these back and forth attacks to end.
I have reached the point where I don't flash nightly ROMs because I don't want to filter through twenty pages of arguments and insults. I simply move from stable release to stable release. At least with those I know there isn't as many bugs and I do not have to search for many solutions. In my opinion, this ruins one of the aspects of being a nexus owner. If anything has altered my experience with my nexus 4, it has been the few individuals that choose to insult everything and everyone in these threads. I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we must all respect that, but that does not mean that anyone is entitled to insult another member in this forum because they disagree with your opinion or your preference in hardware or software.
I posted this thread in the nexus 4 general section because I cannot speak in regards to other forums. I enjoy the opportunities and the idea of XDA, but I feel we, the general members, stray from the main point of XDA. I know this is contradictory to my plea, but I honestly want to improve the XDA experience. If it must be locked I understand, but part of my philosophy is to find a solution if something is not working as it should. Thanks for the time and I hope that my plea makes some difference.
Good luck,
The Penguin
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Agreed it's getting tiring see 5 responses to a simple question telling them to post in the right spot.
Nah.
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many have tried, many have failed..whatever xda tries there will always be someone else not reading the OP or just simply not doing the proper research before posting a question...as regarding arguments again if people reported instead of responding back then things would not get out of hand as the mods here are very responsive to reports specially if people flagged them up as important....
The.Penguin said:
I've been coming to XDA for quite some time now, but recently its been getting out of hand. It has become extremely difficult to follow certain threads because the pointless arguments have drastically increased the amount of pages that I have to filter through. Even using the search function has been useless at times because quotes and responses are often directed towards a single comment. Sometimes it takes a few pages for these back and forth attacks to end.
I have reached the point where I don't flash nightly ROMs because I don't want to filter through twenty pages of arguments and insults. I simply move from stable release to stable release. At least with those I know there isn't as many bugs and I do not have to search for many solutions. In my opinion, this ruins one of the aspects of being a nexus owner. If anything has altered my experience with my nexus 4, it has been the few individuals that choose to insult everything and everyone in these threads. I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion and we must all respect that, but that does not mean that anyone is entitled to insult another member in this forum because they disagree with your opinion or your preference in hardware or software.
I posted this thread in the nexus 4 general section because I cannot speak in regards to other forums. I enjoy the opportunities and the idea of XDA, but I feel we, the general members, stray from the main point of XDA. I know this is contradictory to my plea, but I honestly want to improve the XDA experience. If it must be locked I understand, but part of my philosophy is to find a solution if something is not working as it should. Thanks for the time and I hope that my plea makes some difference.
Good luck,
The Penguin
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I fail to understand how flashing nightly has to do with reading the comments. Just flash and ignore the comments.
It is now necessary to browse through all those arguments to find the right fixes for the bugs in nightlies.
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OP I understand your thoughts, but honestly this is why the reporting system is there, if a thread has such posts Members should report it and violations of Forum Rules should without hesitation be reported. And yes there are times the not needed posts within threads are present, again pointing it out via the reporting system and or PM a Moderator can help in these events. Thank you for your thoughts and input...
To the Mods who insist on closing what they consider "banned" threads:
Please consider the large portion of users of certain ROMs that are no longer in development due to issues beyond users' control. It is not their fault that a Dev decided to do something stupid. Discussions on these ROMs is necessary to help our community work to make our phones better. By not allowing any discussions at all on this, you are pretty much screwing all of us. I implore you to please reopen those closed threads and/or allow discussion on all ROMs that may or may not have been "tainted" by certain issues with "bad" developers. Thanks.
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To the Mods who insist on closing what they consider "banned" threads:
Please consider the large portion of users of certain ROMs that are no longer in development due to issues beyond users' control. It is not their fault that a Dev decided to do something stupid. Discussions on these ROMs is necessary to help our community work to make our phones better. By not allowing any discussions at all on this, you are pretty much screwing all of us. I implore you to please reopen those closed threads and/or allow discussion on all ROMs that may or may not have been "tainted" by certain issues with "bad" developers. Thanks.
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The person who released the rom was banned and accused of scamming xda users. Why would xda want to support that by allowing discussion of his work? I believe xda recommends removing his work, or seek support elsewhere.
By allowing discussion and support of these ROMs, we would be allowing people to be possibly exposed to malicious software. We do not know what, if anything could have been added to the ROMs so it is safer to just remove them all together. It is apparent that the intent was malicious and we do not want any further issues to arise from it. Also, we might be subjected to some backlash from the "developer" because it is his work, and he could say or could have already said we are not allowed to use it or support it.
Something that people fail to realize is there is a method to the madness. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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By allowing discussion and support of these ROMs, we would be allowing people to be possibly exposed to malicious software. We do not know what, if anything could have been added to the ROMs so it is safer to just remove them all together. It is apparent that the intent was malicious and we do not want any further issues to arise from it. Also, we might be subjected to some backlash from the "developer" because it is his work, and he could say or could have already said we are not allowed to use it or support it.
Something that people fail to realize is there is a method to the madness. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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With all due respect, I was, in no way suggesting supporting such ROMs or devs, nor did I mention any such thing. I am merely recommending that discussion of them should be allowed with regards on what to do now that they are no longer supported. I fully understand the implications of what bad things could happen, however a blanket "all discussions are banned - period!" is not good, and I think discussion is necessary to move on and away from potentially bad ROMs and evil devs. Just my $.02
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By allowing discussion and support of these ROMs, we would be allowing people to be possibly exposed to malicious software. We do not know what, if anything could have been added to the ROMs so it is safer to just remove them all together. It is apparent that the intent was malicious and we do not want any further issues to arise from it. Also, we might be subjected to some backlash from the "developer" because it is his work, and he could say or could have already said we are not allowed to use it or support it.
Something that people fail to realize is there is a method to the madness. It's better to be safe than sorry.
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I was scammed, I have seen some of the evidence and I agree with the actions xda took.
I wish I had detected the scam sooner. I wish xda had detected it sooner.
I wish I could redirect my donations to a legitimate developer. To me, donations partially compensate for what I cannot yet contribute technically.
I feel stupid and abused by an individual who had no business being here.
Part of what I do is complex embedded firmware and dsp coding. My credits go back as far as the Air Communicator (1995). One of the first integrated cellular data phones.
I join Institutions of knowledge and teaching like xda to learn and improve my tools. Organizations like xda can be destroyed by injecting Comercial schemes where they do not belong.
Altruistic donations to legitimate developers have no doubt been harmed at a minimum.
At some point I will begin developing for the Android platform as well. I hope xda will still be there when I can give back what the community has contributed to me.
My pressing near term question is where can I learn how to safely get off the knoxraid 5.6 platform?
Not that I am qualified to run it, but may I respectfully suggest a thread on how to move off this rom and onto a legitimate developer's work.
I propose the objective would be ONLY moving off, support of Knoxraid would be forbidden.
Respectfully submitted for your consideration,
Kent Kernahan
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kentk said:
I was scammed, I have seen some of the evidence and I agree with the actions xda took.
I wish I had detected the scam sooner. I wish xda had detected it sooner.
I wish I could redirect my donations to a legitimate developer. To me, donations partially compensate for what I cannot yet contribute technically.
I feel stupid and abused by an individual who had no business being here.
Part of what I do is complex embedded firmware and dsp coding. My credits go back as far as the Air Communicator (1995). One of the first integrated cellular data phones.
I join Institutions of knowledge and teaching like xda to learn and improve my tools. Organizations like xda can be destroyed by injecting Comercial schemes where they do not belong.
Altruistic donations to legitimate developers have no doubt been harmed at a minimum.
At some point I will begin developing for the Android platform as well. I hope xda will still be there when I can give back what the community has contributed to me.
My pressing near term question is where can I learn how to safely get off the knoxraid 5.6 platform?
Not that I am qualified to run it, but may I respectfully suggest a thread on how to move off this rom and onto a legitimate developer's work.
I propose the objective would be ONLY moving off, support of Knoxraid would be forbidden.
Respectfully submitted for your consideration,
Kent Kernahan
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There is a new KK ROM available and another soon to pop up. All you do is upgrade your SS to the latest that supports KK now with and flash one of those ROMs.
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I think what should be done is that a mod should create a stickied thread to be monitored closely, including instructions for how to move from the rom in question to a safe rom. That way it spreads knowledge that the rom is unsafe, to get rid of it, and with instructions to replace so people arent floundering
There is an easy method. Revert to MJ5 thread.
There does not need to be a discussion or a thread involved. It is that simple. The thread is located in the general section.
There are other methods, like what I said above as well. Why do we need a dedicated thread?
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graydiggy said:
There is an easy method. Revert to MJ5 thread.
There does not need to be a discussion or a thread involved. It is that simple. The thread is located in the general section.
There are other methods, like what I said above as well. Why do we need a dedicated thread?
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You have a point, but the only reason i make the suggestion is that you and I both know damn well no one reads anything but the first post of any thread lol. It may not require an actual thread for discussion (as, there indeed is nothing to be discussed further on the topic), but maybe at least a closed sticky to serve as a public service announcement that will grab peoples eye before they go posting 9 million more annoying threads or responses to irrelevant threads asking about it.
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actually I have a better idea. what if a mod were to edit the thread in the dev section to say something along the lines of "this developement no longer supported by XDA, we suggest moving to another rom/etc here are the current threads for instructions"
AdmiralQ said:
To the Mods who insist on closing what they consider "banned" threads:
Please consider the large portion of users of certain ROMs that are no longer in development due to issues beyond users' control. It is not their fault that a Dev decided to do something stupid. Discussions on these ROMs is necessary to help our community work to make our phones better. By not allowing any discussions at all on this, you are pretty much screwing all of us. I implore you to please reopen those closed threads and/or allow discussion on all ROMs that may or may not have been "tainted" by certain issues with "bad" developers. Thanks.
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I implore you to explain to me how, without the developer, discussion of your issues will lead to a resolution?
He is not allowed here and after being banned, as such neither are his works. This isn't unusual and he was not singled out.
Especially in this instance, where he was scamming users for money for devices that he later sold for, you guessed it, even more money...
Users are not being punished by us closing the threads, they're being protected from further abuse and scams. If you're looking to give your money away, I know of a lot of deserving charities that will actually put it to good use.
So, sorry but his threads will remain closed, and this one will also.