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Pop quiz! AMD or Intel?

So I'm working on my new computer, and I need help! I'm looking into bulldozer, but it keeps getting delayed. I feel like we may be seeing i9 before Bulldozer.
I'm looking for good performance, for a little bit less.
Opinions? No flaming!

Chandelure said:
So I'm working on my new computer, and I need help! I'm looking into bulldozer, but it keeps getting delayed. I feel like we may be seeing i9 before Bulldozer.
I'm looking for good performance, for a little bit less.
Opinions? No flaming!
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The Intel Core i5 would be nice.....because I've not been following up on AMD lately.....
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AMD fanboy since day one. Seriously, just buy whatever you can afford.

It depends. What do you plan on using this rig for?
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Currently i7 rules but bulldozer and ivy-bridge may change that
Also it'll depend on ur budget and what you plan using the rig for

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It depends. What do you plan on using this rig for?
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Development.
And i7 is far to many $$$
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Well if i7 is out of your budget an AMD Phenom II x6 is real cheap right now with bulldozer around the corner (This is what I currently have).
I honestly would wait for bulldozer so you aren't feeling buyers remorse once it comes out. I highly doubt you will be able to afford ivy bridge if you can't afford i7. Intel is soo pricey.

if ur budget is less than 500$ than amd if more than that move to intel..

Chandelure said:
Development.
And i7 is far to many $$$
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I recommend those fast i5s .
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2600K at 300$

I have the quad core i5 750 Oc'ed to 4Ghz with no problems and only a cheap upgrade to stock cooling.
It FLIES!
Half the cost of an i7 too
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How did u oc it?
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How did u oc it?
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jsplace said:
I have the quad core i5 750 Oc'ed to 4Ghz with no problems and only a cheap upgrade to stock cooling.
It FLIES!
Half the cost of an i7 too
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Have a first generation core I5 processor coupled to am Asus motherboard !! Overclocked from stock 2.8 ghz to 3.5 ghz with just the right air cooling products and a good processor fan and heat sink combo !
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Amd. Will not buy intel.
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had you asked this question 2-3 years ago I would have said Amd hands down. On-die memory controller used to make all the difference. Now that Intel has on-die memory controllers with their core i3/5/7 line, Amd is definitely lagging behind in performance. I'd still recomend a black edition phenom II x4 or x6 for someone who loves to tweak and game out, but if you've got the cash, Intel sure seems to be the ring leader lately.
I had a 9550 BE phenom I, in a nice desktop system, ran it at 3ghz stable, was a fast box. Was given an hp dv6-3050ca which has an i5 in it, with the fancy on die memory controller and video acceleration. Wow was I EVER impressed at the progress intel has made, I even managed to run fallout new vegas at 15-20fps on low settings on this thing. We're talking intel graphics here, integrated. They've made leaps and bounds in the past few years. I currently have a Core i7 720qm sitting in a asus g73jh; I'd say it has a bit of a low clock speed with all 4 cores engaged, but with 8 threads, what's the difference. Takes a Phenom II x6 to match the same level of performance. Though either can be had new for about the same price.
Intel i7's are pricey as all hell, and unless you've got cash to dump and are looking for extreme performance, you'll probably be more than happy with an Amd. If you're looking to game matching up a nice Amd/Ati motherboard with an Ati video card, really does wonders in terms of compatibility, I've built a few myself and they were painless builds. Intels tend to be more efficient, expecially in the mobile arena. There's something sexy about a 140W cpu though, and that's where the phenom II line shines, they chew up power like nazi's chew up amphetamines, and they chew through like raped apes.
All in all amd is a good start/middleroad for the money, but for true high end power, or mobile efficiency stick to intel. I've noticed a trend across all cpu manufacturers, the more on die cache, the better. 2mb extra cache is worth more than 600mhz, imho.
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I think the biggest problem of AMD is compatibility. Usually They don't work truely in some Linux Distros.

Pure preference. What's your budget?

Hmmm, sounds like i5 it is. Thanks guys!

Chandelure said:
Hmmm, sounds like i5 it is. Thanks guys!
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one more thing, AMD heats fast. it can cook your PC within 8 hours

Given this is the best... Any other new ones out that can compare?

Hola
So i am one of those types of users that likes to indulge with new tech especially phones. Windows Phones are too limited, Apple is controlling (though yes the same can be said about Microsoft mobiles), so I am pleased that Google came out with an open platform.
Now that Sammy has brought out the Galaxy S2, which was a really excellent device, and afterwards the great Note, is there really anything better that we can expect soon? It's like we have hit the top edge with no where to go at all. None of the other OEM's can't seem to make decent phones to compete...
What is your opinion?
So what you want me to do 'bout that?

Probably a bit premature to make that pronouncement as most tech is quickly out of date but am guessing this was for discussion
Am looking forward to Tegra3 quad core coming out to mobiles (check out the Transformer Prime), increased cpu and gpu speeds with ics, improved battery life, faster internet speeds 4g or more.
i saw a tech demo where a guy connected his galaxy nexus to a monitor, bluetooth keyboard and trackpad, and mouse and used that as his main computer.
also hoping for a galaxy note the size of an 8.9 tab with the notes' digitizer.
Lots more to look forward to.

huawei announced a quad-core with 16 graphics cores at mwc 2012.
looks like we still have a way to go just yet, most likely lower power consumption.
i wouldnt let that stop anyone from purchasing a galaxy note though. in my opinion it is by far the best android phone currently on the market.

htc one x...quad core tegra 3..awesum device...beats the note in every benchmark
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jai147 said:
htc one x...quad core tegra 3..awesum device...beats the note in every benchmark
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Personally I find huge amounts of processing-power quite meaningless on a mobile device, it's useful only if you play lots of games. If one could slap the mobile on a dock and turn it into a full desktop then it would be a different matter, then all the processing-power would actually start to make sense.
I just hope one or another manufacturer does come out with a mobile with a good dock and properly-supported desktop OS, there is no such a solution available yet.

Good thing I use my phone for real life applications like videos, Web surfing, drawing etc and not benchmarks then, and there the note is by far better.
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jai147 said:
htc one x...quad core tegra 3..awesum device...beats the note in every benchmark
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except screen size!!!

jai147 said:
htc one x...quad core tegra 3..awesum device...beats the note in every benchmark
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So you like messing with quad-core on a passive-cooling device?
Tell me more about its usefullness on a longer period of useage.
Also to point out the Note actually does what its supposed to with the S-Pen, taking notes on the spot.

'Ubuntu for Android' is a usage scenario that will warrant quad-core processing. Check it out on the Ubuntu site.
Some manufacturers argue that quad-cores use less energy due to lower clock speeds, and shorter utilisation times. I know nothing about hardware though so I couldn't argue for or against this mindset.
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jai147 said:
htc one x...quad core tegra 3..awesum device...beats the note in every benchmark
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Benchmarks = donkey turds
From the big ole Note

The Galaxy Note is now what was the HD2 then... the top performing AND
customizable phone for almost 2 years running. HD2 is still a top-phone, considering it will run anything from winmo 6.5, WP7, Android 2.3 on SD and in NAND, as well as ICS, ubuntu etc.
This fossile HD2 still runs my ubuntu in the car pretty darn fast!
You just know when such a "long lasting gadget" is released, if your blood runs a datastream and your hart pumps in cycles.
SonyWalkMan,C=64,Amiga500,PortableMp3player,Any1,8Ghz laptop, HTC HD2, Galaxy Note, Porsche 911.
You just know.

I dont think quad core is worth using

a friend got a HTC ONE X which is using Tegra3. Just so so.

Yes, because ICS is not optimized for quad core. Plus, it is Tegra 3 which means no support.
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OP, you're not making yourself clear. Please elaborate.
kaspar737 said:
Yes, because ICS is not optimized for quad core.
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Sorry, but how is that so? What is your definition of an OS not being "optimized" for multiple cores? Based on my limited knowledge, kernels take control of the activation and deactivation of the cores, and the apps themself are the ones that are supposed to "take advantage" of the cores.
How is an OS supposed be "optimized" for a quad core CPU?

tkkyobaby1 said:
a friend got a HTC ONE X which is using Tegra3. Just so so.
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Now I think buying a tegra inside device is not a good idea, the same with lg.

kaspar737 said:
Yes, because ICS is not optimized for quad core. Plus, it is Tegra 3 which means no support.
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That is up there with some of the stupidest things iv ever read.

I think the Android ecosystem is so complex that occasional lags are bound to happen even if we reach a point of using 8 cores on a smartphone. (And that, is why iOS is so smooth with slower hardware. It's a simpler OS.)
But the Tegra3 pretty much leaves everyone in the dust when it comes to games.

But when it comes to support... oh noes
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kaspar737 said:
But when it comes to support... oh noes
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The international version of the HTC One X with Tegra 3 has already gotten its full sources released a while ago.
At least it seems Nvidia isn't as unsupportive as we think they are. LG, apparently, is the one that is holding back from releasing sources for us.

Yea, but when Android 5 comes out then I hope that they will release all the necessary stuff. That may make me think better about Nvidia.
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silentmelodies said:
The international version of the HTC One X with Tegra 3 has already gotten its full sources released a while ago.
At least it seems Nvidia isn't as unsupportive as we think they are. LG, apparently, is the one that is holding back from releasing sources for us.
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With nvidia drivers and hals to the public?

tkkyobaby1 said:
a friend got a HTC ONE X which is using Tegra3. Just so so.
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ok good for you
now i am goign to enjoy my Quad Core phone again okay?

What is the point of this thread? As for desktop PC's, more cores = better (most of the time). Since dual cores work just fine in both GB and ICS the same goes for quad cores. And NO, quad cores don't mean less battery duration.

Maybe he is just jeaulous but i dont think a phone needs quad core. For web browsing and watching videos (well.. lol tegra 2 ) some gameing. dual core is more than enough. As i mentiond some time ago in other thread this reminds me of megapixel hunt in compact digital cameras market.
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a friend got a HTC ONE X which is using Tegra3. Just so so.
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And what was the purpose of posting it here? do you want to make an excuse that quadcore isn't nowhere near better than dualcore?
I agree with someone said quadcore isn't really important for mobile phone. If only O2x have more than 512 MB RAM I bet it will last for next 2-3 years

Durio said:
And what was the purpose of posting it here? do you want to make an excuse that quadcore isn't nowhere near better than dualcore?
I agree with someone said quadcore isn't really important for mobile phone. If only O2x have more than 512 MB RAM I bet it will last for next 2-3 years
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It can still last for 2-3 years, you just wont be able to multitask when playing games so much in the future.
quadcores will be **** if they dont have that 5th core for when there isnt much going on or they will chew through battery.
The new huwai something has its own quadcore and it smashes all cuurent quad cores in benchmarks, tegra 3 the exenos ect. But if it doesnt have that 5th core it will probably be bad. Its said to come with a 2300mah battery.

eraldo said:
It can still last for 2-3 years, you just wont be able to multitask when playing games so much in the future.
quadcores will be **** if they dont have that 5th core for when there isnt much going on or they will chew through battery.
The new huwai something has its own quadcore and it smashes all cuurent quad cores in benchmarks, tegra 3 the exenos ect. But if it doesnt have that 5th core it will probably be bad. Its said to come with a 2300mah battery.
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But branding sometimes matter. Market rarely pay attention to a brand like Huawei,compared to samsung. I heard Meizu MX also decent but yeah it has the same market problem
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Durio said:
But branding sometimes matter. Market rarely pay attention to a brand like Huawei,compared to samsung. I heard Meizu MX also decent but yeah it has the same market problem
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The Meizu MX Quad has pretty good specs (including the same Exynos 4212 in the S3), but is sold only in China. It's not meant to compete internationally.

Most useless thread ever.

My HTC one x is a hundred times better than my o2x was
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Kickasskev said:
My HTC one x is a hundred times better than my o2x was
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and o2x is hundred times cheaper...common sense

Anyone Else Disappointed By The CPU?

I know I am. I really hope there is a good open hardware tablet soon...

GBGamer said:
I know I am. I really hope there is a good open hardware tablet soon...
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Why what where you hoping for? An Intel i7??

ben83s said:
Why what where you hoping for? An Intel i7??
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no, something open, with full data-sheets available, and open source drivers, i can tell you first hand how bad proprietary drivers suck.

GBGamer said:
I know I am. I really hope there is a good open hardware tablet soon...
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i am not into this topic right now but afaik there is no real open source hardware competitor on a tegra 3 level

gh123man said:
no, something open, with full data-sheets available, and open source drivers, i can tell you first hand how bad proprietary drivers suck.
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I see what you mean. But when your trying to copy the Kindle Fire and go main stream global, you need something that proven to work. IMHO at £160 its a big anouph gamble all ready.

No, the tegra 3 isn't as good as it should be, but for web surfing, a little gaming and movies and music, its more than enough. Quit griping. Lol
People always find something to complain about. Lol

OP the problem is the price. For $200 you need to go with the cheapest high end processor available, and apparently that is what Nvidia did with the Kai El project to put out speedy, low price tablets. Personally dual core is quick enough for me, plus I just bought a 7" tablet so...
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Yes, the tegra 3 isnt the best chip-set, but if they went with the snapdragon s4 they would have horrible supply issues, as there isnt enough s4's as it is. Also this was made by asus who has an existing relationship with nvida. Google has used this as a reference platform so it will be heavily optimized so performance shouldn't be an issue especially considering the screen resolution, keep in mind this is the same processor that runs the transformer prime at 1080p, without all the new gpu goodies. fyi all current tablets run tegra 3's

Sure let's put in the top of the line CPU that costs $1000 and try to sell it main stream against the Kindle Fire priced at $199.

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Sure let's put in the top of the line CPU that costs $1000 and try to sell it main stream against the Kindle Fire priced at $199.
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I'm not talking high end, I'm talking open hardware, like TI OMAP.
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So does this mean a non developer Nexus device? So does that mean no custom ROMs? No CM9? No kernel tweaks?

darkamikaze said:
So does this mean a non developer Nexus device? So does that mean no custom ROMs? No CM9? No kernel tweaks?
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Nah, it just means slower Dev updates after Google has given it up.
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GBGamer said:
I'm not talking high end, I'm talking open hardware, like TI OMAP.
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AFAIK TI OMAP4 is performance-wise inferior to Tegra 3 in nearly every aspect, it's not wise to limit flagman device(it's Nexus, after all) capabilities just to please indy ROM developers. Especially concerning the fact that Nexus 7 is tightly bound to Google Play to squeeze from grateful consumers as much money as possible .
So does this mean a non developer Nexus device?
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It surely is a developer device, but it's for application developers, not ROM makers, because ROMs are not profitable for Google, but apps are.

dalkor said:
AFAIK TI OMAP4 is performance-wise inferior to Tegra 3 in nearly every aspect, it's not wise to limit flagman device(it's Nexus, after all) capabilities just to please indy ROM developers. Especially concerning the fact that Nexus 7 is tightly bound to Google Play to squeeze from grateful consumers as much money as possible .
It surely is a developer device, but it's for application developers, not ROM makers, because ROMs are not profitable for Google, apps are.
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Yea, that's why I'm hoping for a tablet with quad core OMAP5
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My opinion tegra 3 is the best CPU+GPU combo until the s4 quad core. I have a tegra 3 on my one x and hardly any lag whatsoever. Games look amazing, and amazing standby times. Maybe the nexus 7 will force nvidia to release drivers ect because of the demand
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tegra3 optimized games are by far the best Android games around. Tegra3 is no slouch, CPU or gpu wise. there will be no issues with custom roms. One X has a ton of custom roms/kernels. Prime has alot of roms also. I'm sure Nexus 7 will be far more popular than either of them.

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For $199 ? And they don't arrive until Q3/Q4.

For 200$ hell no I'm not disappointed
Stop complaining about everything!!!
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I <3 Tegra. Got a Tegra phone and tegra tsblet... so gonna get the N7. I don't see what the problem is. Its very fast and good for gaming from the TegraZone
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The Tegra 3 is actually a pretty powerful chipset. Think it's tainted a bit by being the 'child' of the Tegra 2, which was not as great as we hoped it would be. Combined with some of the performance improvements in Jelly Bean I expect this device to fly.

About CPU And Camera

ultra-pix 4mpx means lower quality better pic in dark?!
how is performance! coz its only 1.7 Ghz quad core and snapdragon 600!
and why didnt HTC use snapdragon 800! or tegra 4-4i is it only for tablets!? :silly:

kamranhaghighi said:
ultra-pix 4mpx means lower quality better pic in dark?!
how is performance! coz its only 1.7 Ghz quad core and snapdragon 600!
and why didnt HTC use snapdragon 800! or tegra 4-4i is it only for tablets!? :silly:
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The words 'lower' and 'better' are comparative words. Compared to what?
nothing takes pics in dark coz light is need for sensor make better pic.
performance is good.
Ask HTC.

kamranhaghighi said:
ultra-pix 4mpx means lower quality better pic in dark?!
how is performance! coz its only 1.7 Ghz quad core and snapdragon 600!
and why didnt HTC use snapdragon 800! or tegra 4-4i is it only for tablets!? :silly:
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Snapdragon 800 has is not out yet maybe Q4
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strip419 said:
Snapdragon 800 has is not out yet maybe Q4
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thanks omg i can't wait that mush almsot 6months!

kamranhaghighi said:
thanks omg i can't wait that mush almsot 6months!
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Omg what is wrong with you they announce new stuff all the time.
If you were like this with everything then you ether have a new phone every 5mins or never having a new phone out of fear it being old in 5mins.
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hmmm.... u right but can u tell me wich phone coz stuck between S-IV Htc one also S-IV got a 1.9 ghz CPU! Anyway i can also over cloack it to 1.9 coz it supports

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hmmm.... u right but can u tell me wich phone coz stuck between S-IV Htc one also S-IV got a 1.9 ghz CPU! Anyway i can also over cloack it to 1.9 coz it supports
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Personally I find HTC phones better than samsung phones. video audio, music volume and washed out camera indoors is major problems i had with S2/3/GN2 and very boring UI. Only reason I chose samsung phones was because of hardware and battery life but now HTC and Sony imo are there in terms of hardware and battery life aswell now, so for me samsung with their ugly boring UI is irrelevant now.

coz its only 1.7 Ghz quad core and snapdragon 600!
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Wat

ty im going for htc one and coz both are snapdragon 600 i can make my htc one 1.9ghz?

also smasung ui not boring:S htc one link bleed is to simple and boring (i had a htc sensation its freaking awesome also ui is freaking awesome better than my current note and it was faster, no problem , i sent my Note 2 times to guaranty) ! i just scared about the cpu and gpu

nvm searched web so im going to but it but can i overcloack to 1.9? coz its snapdragon 600 and support up to 1.9ghz else will buy s-IV

Camera shoots 30 or 60 fps (1080p)
I have one question. Is it true that HTC ONE is able record 1080p 60fps?? I don´t think so, but I have read that i can.
Thanks for true answers.

xvasek said:
I have one question. Is it true that HTC ONE is able record 1080p 60fps?? I don´t think so, but I have read that i can.
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Yes it is able. The camera is fantastic on it. I'm blown away when I go to bars and parties how good it is. I was highly suspicious that it was only 4MP at first, and nearly didn't get it, but it's been better than any phone camera I've ever used so far. It's even great for Youtube vlogging.

This topic shows how they sell millions of phones every year.

xvasek said:
I have one question. Is it true that HTC ONE is able record 1080p 60fps?? I don´t think so, but I have read that i can.
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No.
1080p (Full HD) = 30fps
720p (HD) = 60fps

The one isn't even out yet..
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XxSHaDoWxSLaYeRxX said:
The one isn't even out yet..
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Wrong. UK has had it for 2 weeks now.
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