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First, I did a search on this and did not find the answers i wanted; so mods, please delete/move this thread if you don't approve - thanks
My question is pretty much in the title of this thread... I know the specs, but the amount of RAM/Memory after the phone runs its default processes and apps is obviously much different than what's stated on the fact sheet.
So, how much RAM and internal memory does the sprint touch diamond have after it's powered on straight out of the box with touchflo3d enabled?? Also, how much RAM if touchflo is disabled? I will be upgrading my mogul soon, so I'd like to know what I'm working with.
Please post any useful info, thanks in advance!
it doesnt matter you will hate the stock rom so bad. (its got **** all for spacke with all the sprint crap on it and its slow as hell) that you will flash a custom rom very shortly after your realize this.
Juggalo_X said:
it doesnt matter you will hate the stock rom so bad. (its got **** all for spacke with all the sprint crap on it and its slow as hell) that you will flash a custom rom very shortly after your realize this.
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I have to disagree. While yes it is full of bloat, of the custom roms I've ran (/made) it was by far the most stable. I didn't have it freeze at all over the course of a week, while with the custom ones, there was almost an immediate problem I found within the first hour of playing with them.
All we need is a nice clean sprint rom to remove a lot of the bloat, and it will be a great place to start, just with all the sprint crap on it, there isn't much storage space. And to comment on it being "slow" all the roms seem about the same speed, I wouldn't say its much slower at all.
To top it off, personally I like the sprint theme more than any other (just needed the flip clock to be perfect which you can download a cab for that).
Tenny said:
I have to disagree. While yes it is full of bloat, of the custom roms I've ran (/made) it was by far the most stable. I didn't have it freeze at all over the course of a week, while with the custom ones, there was almost an immediate problem I found within the first hour of playing with them.
All we need is a nice clean sprint rom to remove a lot of the bloat, and it will be a great place to start, just with all the sprint crap on it, there isn't much storage space. And to comment on it being "slow" all the roms seem about the same speed, I wouldn't say its much slower at all.
To top it off, personally I like the sprint theme more than any other (just needed the flip clock to be perfect which you can download a cab for that).
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hate to burst your bubble, but if your getting freezing on the custom roms as opposed to the sprint one its something your doing or you have not hard reset after flashing. Juicy's sprint rom is exactly what you just described. its got all the crap removed. and some speed tweaks. its about 10x faster then the sprint rom or the telus stock rom with better then stock battery life.
again i say, your smoking the bong pipe and u need to put it down for a few and actually test my friend because any one here is going to disagree with your statement i bold'd above. I went back to the telus rom last night to test and was disgusted by the slowness. i became accustomed to my custom rom.
good cooked roms are much much better than stock roms IMHO
i have flashed a fair few and the bets ones do not freeze on me at all they have less memory leak and run faster as well as being leaner and get the best out of the phone ;0)
flash and flash some more, have fun see for yourself, but be safe
patterns said:
good cooked roms are much much better than stock roms IMHO
i have flashed a fair few and the bets ones do not freeze on me at all they have less memory leak and run faster as well as being leaner and get the best out of the phone ;0)
flash and flash some more, have fun see for yourself, but be safe
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i agree.
when my device boots it has 144 MB free ram. that's an ass load more then the telus rom.
144mb FREE ram?
you're sure you mean rAm not rOm (even then it would be very much)
kikakeule said:
144mb FREE ram?
you're sure you mean rAm not rOm (even then it would be very much)
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yes im sure, remember i have 256mb of ram you poor GSM guys only have 128
this back and forth dialogue about different ROMs is quite amusing, but I just want to know how much RAM out of the box - even with all of sprint's unnecessary features and what not. I'm just trying to see how much we actually get to play with. With the mogul, I had about 25-26mbs free out of the box of the 64 total. I know the diamond surpasses that minuscule amount greatly, but like i said, i just wanna know how much we're actually getting...
Juggalo_X said:
yes im sure, remember i have 256mb of ram you poor GSM guys only have 128
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okay sry, my fault
wasn't around for a while ;-)
I have a couple of questions about linux-swap.
So I'm on the Hero 2 rom and I have 32MB swap partition. I want to go to the JACxHEROSki-v2.0 rom and at the same time make my swap partition bigger before I flash but I'm unsure if it's safe to go bigger than a 32MB.
"DO NOT USE MORE THAN 32MB SWAP!!!"
They placed this right above the example of how to partition your SD card on the JACxHEROSki-v2.0 but "RECOMMENDED VALUES linux-swap partition = 64MB" is what they placed as recommendations!!! So I'm a little confused. Anyone want to show a little experience?
How about this. Re-partition your sdcard with 96mb for linux-swap. Then when you want to change it go to the recovery console and type
Code:
parted /dev/block/mmcblk0
resize 3 x y
print (to verify it worked)
quit
reboot
Substitue in the start and end points for the file system for the x an y respectively. This will give you the ability to play around with up to 96mb of linux-swap space with the ability to change it out whenever you want without repartitioning the entire sdcard.
Personally testing something is always better than having some one tell you what to use.
Gerson2407 said:
I have a couple of questions about linux-swap.
So I'm on the Hero 2 rom and I have 32MB swap partition. I want to go to the JACxHEROSki-v2.0 rom and at the same time make my swap partition bigger before I flash but I'm unsure if it's safe to go bigger than a 32MB.
"DO NOT USE MORE THAN 32MB SWAP!!!"
They placed this right above the example of how to partition your SD card on the JACxHEROSki-v2.0 but "RECOMMENDED VALUES linux-swap partition = 64MB" is what they placed as recommendations!!! So I'm a little confused. Anyone want to show a little experience?
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if they suggest something then go with it. they said 64mb for 2.1, so go with 64mb. its not hard to understand
Ignore the warning, I don't really understand why it's there. I have run with 64 mb swap and 32 and 62 is significantly faster. I have even heard of swaps in the 100's that is apparently load screen free.
clefky10 said:
Ignore the warning, I don't really understand why it's there. I have run with 64 mb swap and 32 and 62 is significantly faster. I have even heard of swaps in the 100's that is apparently load screen free.
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well 32 just happens to be more stable in the long
Or if you use what i posted you can change it any time you want and see for yourself which is better.
32, 64, 96, 200+???
I have browsed around various different forums regarding this issue and couldn't find anything definitive. If possible, can I get a developer to answer this question? What size should the linux-swap be to run hero ROM with minimal lag and no "htc" loading screens? I seen one guy say he has 300MB for linux-swap. Is it bad to have your swap set really high? If so, explain. Thanks to anyone with an intelligent answer.
Twisted uses 100mb, I use 128mb. I havent had any long term bad effects and forgot what the loading screen looks like.
Johnny Blaze said:
Twisted uses 100mb, I use 128mb. I havent had any long term bad effects and forgot what the loading screen looks like.
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Just to experiment, I set my swap last night to 256MB. I know its kinda high, but just wanted to see the performance difference. The funny thing is that I have not seen any "htc" loading screens, but im starting to see weird lag in other areas. One example is when im switching from screen to screen. It was smooth before with 32MB, but I got the "htc" loading screens. I will repartition it for 128MB to see if I can get rid of the "htc" loading screens and lag. I'll reply after my testing...
Rom: JACxHEROSki-v1.8
SDHC: 4GB Class 2 [I know, im too lazy to order the $10 Class 6 4GB]
When running Hero I usually go with 64mb swap with 60 swappiness. A higher swap will not see loading screens ever but will initially lag like crazy. You can go 96 but I personally saw lag from that also. And actually in JACHEROSki-v2.1 thread he says 64mb recommended.
My testing is complete. I'm using 128MB linux-swap and my hero ROM has been flying. No loading screens and no real lag. It looks like 256MB was too much and 32MB is too little. I'm fine with 128MB.
SG_Shadow said:
My testing is complete. I'm using 128MB linux-swap and my hero ROM has been flying. No loading screens and no real lag. It looks like 256MB was too much and 32MB is too little. I'm fine with 128MB.
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you phone is going to lag later on. its fast for now. but bad later. 32mb is the most stable according to devs.
in all honesty how long does someone keep a hero rom on their phone without flashing another one? if someone wants to use a large linux-swap partition then just every few days or so destroy it and make another one.
besides we want instant gratification not long term benefits (that's just society in general)
david1171 said:
in all honesty how long does someone keep a hero rom on their phone without flashing another one? if someone wants to use a large linux-swap partition then just every few days or so destroy it and make another one.
besides we want instant gratification not long term benefits (that's just society in general)
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thats your opinion. i just stated a fact.
and i disagree society want instant gratification. some ppl actually think about long term . i.e. getting dream over magic. magic has a longer lifetime than g1 and is a better investment in the long run. some people loook for longevity
this isn't the forum for sociology, but i do mean look at all the "diet" pills, the easy way out, all the fast food places, the i-want-it-now-an-damn-the-consequences crowd. yes there are some people that plan ahead and think of the future, but there are also those that do not. just from things i have witnessed and observed the second outweighs the first.
brian_v3ntura said:
thats your opinion. i just stated a fact.
and i disagree society want instant gratification. some ppl actually think about long term . i.e. getting dream over magic. magic has a longer lifetime than g1 and is a better investment in the long run. some people loook for longevity
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If you look for "longevity" you would not mod your phone at all. These actions can result in a shorter life span of your device. *FACT* If you want "longevity" stick with the OTA garbage t-mobile pushes you. I don't mean that to be offensive towards you, just t-mobile.
Right now my G1 is still flying with 128MB swap. Running for more than 18HRS with no re-boots, htc loading screens or lag. I will more then likely flash a new hero ROM once one is available.
I have to agree with David and shadow on this one. Get that rom rollen as fast as you can, then wipe ext3 when needed
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If you look for "longevity" you would not mod your phone at all. These actions can result in a shorter life span of your device. *FACT* If you want "longevity" stick with the OTA garbage t-mobile pushes you. I don't mean that to be offensive towards you, just t-mobile.
Right now my G1 is still flying with 128MB swap. Running for more than 18HRS with no re-boots, htc loading screens or lag. I will more then likely flash a new hero ROM once one is available.
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i disagree if you want longevity ,then dont mod.
the fact that some older roms run better than new roms. i.e. akirahs 1.5.1 runs better than the other akirah roms. or jac 1.6r2a is more stable than 2.1. longevity is a positive. some people actually stick with older roms just becuz of the bugs contained in newer roms.
and thats 18hrs. thats very short to some people as well.
and some ppl prefer stability than speed and vice versa.
why swap at all it can mess up ur sd card!!!
oh and p.s people suck in general its fact. some are good but most of selfish and needy gluttons.lol
jmon777 said:
why swap at all it can mess up ur sd card!!!
oh and p.s people suck in general its fact. some are good but most of selfish and needy gluttons.lol
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tho swap will shorten your sd card lifetime, it would take a while for it to be destroyed. by then new sd card and technology are out and cheaper.
right now a 4 gig class 6 is 10 bucks. that should last about a year or a little more using swap.
By installing the new ROM my phone works better and faster, no lagg.
But I understand that it can be even better...
I have deleted bloatware (using root explorer) and at this point have not reinstalled many of my apps (waiting for the next DC ROM release)
How can I find how much free space / memory I have left on my phone?
RAM, MB, etc?
I have read that if you monitor the use of space then it will be a fine tune machine.
I read about Ap2sd and that might help? Others say it doesnt beacuse it slows the response time when running an app.
Any words of wisdom?
Thanks
Any help will be appreciated.
I know, I know...DB comment but get an EVO. No substitute for raw horsepower.
4 Things.
1. Over Clock
2. JIT
3. Remove Sense (optional)
4. Class 6 SD card, not a cheap-o
should be in q/a or general forum. not here for future reference this forum is really for devs and ROM discussion only...not general questions like this.
with that said...
each person could probably give you their own ways of tinkering with their ROM and making it "faster".
You can download systraymonitor from the market, which gives you RAM/MEMORY/BATTERY, etc.
A2SD could be beneficial if you are installing more than 25+ apps, as it allows your system memory to combine with a partition of your SD card, thus keeping available memory higher, which leaves plenty of room for browser cache, app cache, etc.
Welcome to the wonderful world of ROMs for our Hero.
riggsandroid said:
should be in q/a or general forum. not here for future reference this forum is really for devs and ROM discussion only...not general questions like this.
with that said...
each person could probably give you their own ways of tinkering with their ROM and making it "faster".
You can download systraymonitor from the market, which gives you RAM/MEMORY/BATTERY, etc.
A2SD could be beneficial if you are installing more than 25+ apps, as it allows your system memory to combine with a partition of your SD card, thus keeping available memory higher, which leaves plenty of room for browser cache, app cache, etc.
Welcome to the wonderful world of ROMs for our Hero.
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Thank you for your input. Will check that app.
aisseleacim03 said:
By installing the new ROM my phone works better and faster, no lagg.
But I understand that it can be even better...
I have deleted bloatware (using root explorer) and at this point have not reinstalled many of my apps (waiting for the next DC ROM release)
How can I find how much free space / memory I have left on my phone?
RAM, MB, etc?
I have read that if you monitor the use of space then it will be a fine tune machine.
I read about Ap2sd and that might help? Others say it doesnt beacuse it slows the response time when running an app.
Any words of wisdom?
Thanks
Any help will be appreciated.
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ap2sd only helps really if you have a fast sd (ie aftermarket class 6 or 10) but ap2sd is mainly to free up space, you won't notice a preformance boost this way.... at least I haven't even with a class 6 card. It's just to allow you to install tons of apps.
android self manages it's ram but there are times where it doesn't do it very efficently, there's roms out there esp from flipz and darch that optimize the internal task killer/memory management to give a more fluid expereince.
I would reccomend agianst a task manager as I've had nothing but problems with it.
as far as making it faster look for roms that have JIT, BFS, and/or overclock. Mind you each one of these removes stability from a stock based rom, they're not perfect but they are pretty nice. And in my opinion the leeway you give is worth the benifit with that type of thing. But each one of those has a significant preformance boost advantage. BFS being what I reccognize as the biggest improvement in overall system preformance.
I would personally reccomend fresh toast, really research how to install it correctly but it's one of the best most stable I've personally tried. Next being my personal favorites darchdroid.
hope this helps.
Kcarpenter said:
4 Things.
1. Over Clock
2. JIT
3. Remove Sense (optional)
4. Class 6 SD card, not a cheap-o
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Excuse my ignorance...I have heard of all the option but number 1.
Over Clock? I dont know what does that mean.
Thanks for the info though.
aisseleacim03 said:
Excuse my ignorance...I have heard of all the option but number 1.
Over Clock? I dont know what does that mean.
Thanks for the info though.
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short: makes your processor go faster than it was designed to do within proven stable(ish)/safe(ish) limits
long: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking
Kcarpenter said:
1. Over Clock
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...at your own risk. My phone runs great without this. I don't think it's worth the risk of cooking my proc's bacon.
Grease Lightning yo!!!!
In all seriousness, if you wanna rev up your performance but at the expense of our already limited battery life, try out FreshToast 2.1 or if you want a clean trimmed vanilla feel try out DarchDroid and make sure you follow the directions for getting the OC app configured (OC Widget or SetCPU)
That'll definitely give you the max possible bang out of your phone. Buyer beware, these roms are not without their quirks, so please for the love of NY Cheesecake (oh hush, haven't eaten since 8am this morning heh) read through each of the respective threads to hunt down and possibly cure the kinks that plague your configuration.
Thread Moved to Q&A.
subcypher said:
...at your own risk. My phone runs great without this. I don't think it's worth the risk of cooking my proc's bacon.
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Ive had my phone overclocked to the max the last few days. Running smooth. I underclock while phone is sleeping
I made mine 3x faster by picking a rom with no sense, rm EVERY apk that I don't use ( friendstream, flickr, tweet, etc...everything except what I USE) and apps2sd. I run a buke naked pure hero, installed apps i DO want,and it never lags. I Only get 2.2 mflops
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I am currently a XT720 user, and had rooted and Apps2carded my new great machine (used HD2 android before)... however, i found that my new supermachine is lack of ram (only 45Mb in average...) .Therefore, i am thinking is it possible to use the memory of SD card to build "virtual ram" just like what the guys doing in HD2...
Does any one agree this idea and can give a big hand for me....
If I understand correctly, you're looking for something like swap space? If so, there have been countless attempts at getting this to work. However, all have failed because we lack one simple feature...an unlocked bootloader.
Even if there are other ways to do it, it most likely requires access to the bootloader, and hence we are back to square one. For now, we can only rely on good task managers and overclocking to get some more juice out of our Milestones.
MrP.
Dear MrP.
Understood your answer and thank you very much for your information. The key is to get the right to get into the bootloader...... seems far away....-_-...but I still hope it can become true in the road of android development....
Add
With a 2048Bit RSA encryption? Unlikely...^^
RW-Speed on your SD-Card is to slow to be used as RAM anyway..
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RW-Speed on your SD-Card is to slow to be used as RAM anyway..
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I had swap setup on my G1 and it made one massive difference anything with a class 6 is fast enough for it and on the milestone would make a massive difference with the Desire HD rom and sense loading.. It's a shame that we can't get it cause it'd make me happy until I get enough cash to get a milestone 2 and hopefully be able to break the bootloader...
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I had swap setup on my G1 and it made one massive difference anything with a class 6 is fast enough for it and on the milestone would make a massive difference with the Desire HD rom and sense loading.. It's a shame that we can't get it cause it'd make me happy until I get enough cash to get a milestone 2 and hopefully be able to break the bootloader...
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i got a class6 and i tested the new DesireHD image on my SdCard, as its a huge 400MB+ image odex'd, and its actually slower although its odex'd for little loading improvements.. so putting everything on the sdcard makes it slow.
using menus and starting apps were unacceptable..
my conclusion is that using internal flash + deodex was much faster, so no good..
but! maybe its just a badly compiled ext2 module we have on milestone..
I downloaded the leaked froyo firmware to my captivate hoping it would solve a lot of the issues of lag but it still lags a lot like it's a phone from 2006. I downloaded the Ryan ZA one click lag fix and it still lags. I wanted to put voodoo on it but I have froyo and I don't think it will allow me to do it...what the heck is the problem and why is there so much hacking I have to do to get it to run smooth. The HTC Aria runs blazingly fast and quick from what I read and this Super Phone Galaxy S runs slower than a Hero? If anybody has an answer I'd like to know or if someone can offer some suggestions on how to improve this. It's pretty annoying.
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I downloaded the leaked froyo firmware to my captivate hoping it would solve a lot of the issues of lag but it still lags a lot like it's a phone from 2006. I downloaded the Ryan ZA one click lag fix and it still lags. I wanted to put voodoo on it but I have froyo and I don't think it will allow me to do it...what the heck is the problem and why is there so much hacking I have to do to get it to run smooth. The HTC Aria runs blazingly fast and quick from what I read and this Super Phone Galaxy S runs slower than a Hero? If anybody has an answer I'd like to know or if someone can offer some suggestions on how to improve this. It's pretty annoying.
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Its called RFS... call up samsung and complain to them about it...
so many problems with this
a) wrong section, Q&A or general please
b) notice that word "leaked" in what you said? it means this isn't OFFICIAL, which means it likely ISN'T the final release, so it's bound to have at least some bugs.
c) ryanza lagfix is placebo and awful and doesn't work at all (on top of that, ext2 is a bad choice)
d) if you understood how/where the lag was coming from, you'd know why voodoo is "necessary" on 2.1
e) the aria is built EXTREMELY different from the captivate, it's like comparing the iphone to the nokia n8... yes they're both android, but they're built different which leads to complications
f) voodoo is not yet available for 2.2 because we don't have source code for 2.2 (again, if you knew how voodoo worked, you'd know why it wasn't instant)... we can hack it in with initramfs, and there are people working on it... but it isn't top priority
g) and shockingly a SMALLER piece of hardware with a SMALLER resolution made by a company known for making quality android phones runs smoother? shocker. honestly.
h) if you actually had any other real world interactions with other android phones, you'd know the lag is occasional but not unusual (hell I've seen just as bad or worse on the droid x before)
i) I suggest you read, read, read, search, read, read, and think before you make posts like the above (why on earth you thought this belongs in development is beyond me)
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There are two kinds of lag. I/O lag is caused by the delays in accessing data stored on your phone in some partition. This is largely due to the use of RFS by Samsung, and the voodoo lag fix gets rid of most of that. Unfortunately there is no voodoo on Captivate leaked Froyo yet, as the source code has not yet been released by Samsung. The OCLF type fixes will help some by masking this lag when the amount of data being written and read is small. When a large amount of data is involved, these fixes will lag, as they still sit on top of RFS.
There is a second kind of lag due to memory shortage. This will hit you after the phone has been on for a while. This is similar to the paging seen on Windows, where the data has to be fetched from the hard disk. This type of lag is best fixed by installing a memory management application. The one I use is called Autokiller. Despite its name, it is not a task killer. What it does is make sure that a certain amount of RAM is always free. I use the strict profile, and my phone can go days without having to be rebooted.
troll. go get an aria then^^
save a galaxy s for a person who can truly appreciate it.
by accident I posted this in the development area, I didn't realize until after the fact, my bad.
So do you think I should put my phone back to 2.1 on my phone and apply voodoo? My phone lags quite a bit, it's bad.
I'll try out that app you suggested, thanks.
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crossover37 said:
by accident I posted this in the development area, I didn't realize until after the fact, my bad.
So do you think I should put my phone back to 2.1 on my phone and apply voodoo? My phone lags quite a bit, it's bad.
I'll try out that app you suggested, thanks.
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Look at the z4mod post in this forum. It works on 2.2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=811902
Kaik541 said:
f) voodoo is not yet available for 2.2 because we don't have source code for 2.2 (again, if you knew how voodoo worked, you'd know why it wasn't instant)... we can hack it in with initramfs, and there are people working on it... but it isn't top priority
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There is a pre-release version out for froyo but I doubt it will provide more benefits than issues at this point.
cliffgardner said:
There is a pre-release version out for froyo but I doubt it will provide more benefits than issues at this point.
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the "pre-release" version you're talking about is for the i9000... and guess what, the i9000 has source code, we do not
I had the same issue when I installed the leaked 2.2.
I did a master reset, flashed back to stock, master reset again, flashed to 2.2 cognition. Now I don't know if the second master reset was necessary, but my phone is faster than ever. Very few problems, in fact... less problem than the 2.2 leak.
Just flash to cog 2.1.6/2.1.7. I have absolutely no lag at all. Though even at stock my phone wasnt crazy laggy like your claiming your phone is.
rajendra82 said:
There is a second kind of lag due to memory shortage. This will hit you after the phone has been on for a while. This is similar to the paging seen on Windows, where the data has to be fetched from the hard disk. This type of lag is best fixed by installing a memory management application. The one I use is called Autokiller. Despite its name, it is not a task killer. What it does is make sure that a certain amount of RAM is always free. I use the strict profile, and my phone can go days without having to be rebooted.
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Free RAM is wasted RAM.
And task killers, etc. are a great way to rape your battery life.
MikeyMike01 said:
Free RAM is wasted RAM.
And task killers, etc. are a great way to rape your battery life.
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Autokiller is NOT a task killer. It changes the memory management profile that defines when the apps are closed. This is a combination of the amount of free RAM and the type of app and the state it is in. I also disagree that free RAM is wasted RAM. If you are trying to open a webpage and the amount of RAM is low, the system has to decide to close something else to free the space you need. If the profile of what to close is inefficient, you will frequently run into low memory situations, when the system has to continue to close some apps to free up the memory, and you will see lag as the system works it out for you. What makes you think that the profile that Samsung chose to determine when to close an app is necessarily the best one?