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Today, a friend, called me to setup a new android phone for his wife. It was the cheap, very cheap, Alcatel Onetouch 908.
I transfered contacts, calendar events, configured emails and installed some apps from the market. The phone felt speedy, to be exact much more speedy than my Galaxy S and that started to bother me. What bothered me more was my friend, who has a Galaxy S II device. He told me out of the blue that alcatel felt speedier than his S II. I finished and 'take it for a walk'. I started sequently loading apps (browser, gmail, contants, market and talk) and then multitasked between them. The initial loading was almost immediate and, to my suprise, mutitasking was instant. My Galaxy felt like a second class device, my world shuttered... almost
I left my friend and I was angry, very angry. How could that be? I've tried numerous roms, customs and stock ones, with lagfixes enabled or disabled but, truth to be told, all of them felt like rubbish compared to an alcatel onet... I don't want to tell the evil's name!
Now, I am still angry but not with Alcatel,.. with Samsung! Am I wrong? What are your thoughts? Does anyone have an answer? Was just my imagination?
I don't suppose you have tried running 3D games on it?
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I did and it was fantastic... just kidding
No I didn't. But now you've said it, just for the laughs, next time I will be around, I'll try angry birds... if possible (although not a 3D game... I think)!
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aaaaaaaaawwwwwwww, this is uglyyyyy, what an ugly phone, even if it had the speed of light, or even faster, the speed of thought or even much faster than those the speed of GOD, I would take the SGS anytime.
btw, try quadrant too, see if you get some noticable scores with it, if it's really worth your time, but if it was me, I wouldn't even set it up for a girl friend, let alone a friends girl.
well its the same story again u see a new android phone unused or if even used then used very very lightly(just calls,sms,have 10-25 apps. and all that) ! man any android pgone newly bought and used lightly can be very fast! i saw my friends galaxy ace on 2.2 bpught just 3 days ago and very lightly uaed and it was working like a lightning! if you want to see your phone this fast then flash stock jvs and you'll face lightning but as soon you get some apps in and start using it heavily youll start facing lags! download 100 apps. and do heavy multitasking on that alcatel for a week or so and youll start hating it and will throw it into a dustbin!
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You should try CyanogenMod 7 (CM7) out of the box (no apps/games installed).
It's just fast - the speed is nearly amazing. Same thing with MIUI.
And just forget stock-ROMs. You won't want to use them after you have tried an AOSP-ROM (CM7 or MIUI).
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You should try CyanogenMod 7 (CM7) out of the box (no apps/games installed).
It's just fast - the speed is nearly amazing. Same thing with MIUI.
And just forget stock-ROMs. You won't want to use them after you have tried an AOSP-ROM (CM7 or MIUI).
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Its not like that exactly but its very true both cm7 and minuit out of the box are amazing infraction I just installed 1.9.16 miui and it has just 7 apps. Installed and it's balzing fast ! But minuit has many problems of its own so I am moving back to Samsung based rom jetpack v5 spark very soon !
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Thanks for the replies...
-I've tried CM7: it was fast but... it didn't felt home. So I dished it and went back to the samsung related rom's!
-Yes, SGS is prettier than 908 but really it's not so ugly. After all, my post was about speed, not beauty.
-So, if I load alcatel with 100+ apps I will feel the pain you say. We'll see... But if it's true then I will be angry again, very angry... with Google!
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The thing about multitasking is that is related mainly with memory and memory management. I think it's true, if enough free memory exists any os will keep more tasks active and multitask between them will be instant...
But android keeps loading and unloading apps, in the background, which I almost never use but consume memory.
Skype is the perfect example. When i do not need it, I am signing off skype and go straight back to my home screen... Of course, as we all know, skype persists and never exits. It's just sits there consuming memory and doing nothing. If I try to kill it, android will happily and immediately reload it. The only way really kill it, is to uninstall it, but is this a solution?
One more example? The facebook app or the friencaster app. Even if I disable every automatic refresh or log off from facebook some part of them will keep running and like skype I cannot kill it.
The essence of all this is that: I own a phone with 512 mb of ram assisted with a powerful, 1 GHz, CPU, much - much more than an alcatel OT 908 and this doesn't show. Maybe is the 100+ apps I've installed in my phone, maybe is android, maybe is a bug, maybe it's me whining. Whatever is it... it's wrong and yes, I'm starting feeling angry, very angry with... Google and Samsung
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The thing about multitasking is that is related mainly with memory and memory management. I think it's true, if enough free memory exists any os will keep more tasks active and multitask between them will be instant...
But android keeps loading and unloading apps, in the background, which I almost never use but consume memory.
Skype is the perfect example. When i do not need it, I am signing off skype and go straight back to my home screen... Of course, as we all know, skype persists and never exits. It's just sits there consuming memory and doing nothing. If I try to kill it, android will happily and immediately reload it. The only way really kill it, is to uninstall it, but is this a solution?
One more example? The facebook app or the friencaster app. Even if I disable every automatic refresh or log off from facebook some part of them will keep running and like skype I cannot kill it.
The essence of all this is that: I own a phone with 512 mb of ram assisted with a powerful, 1 GHz, CPU, much - much more than an alcatel OT 908 and this doesn't show. Maybe is the 100+ apps I've installed in my phone, maybe is android, maybe is a bug, maybe it's me whining. Whatever is it... it's wrong and yes, I'm starting feeling angry, very angry with... Google and Samsung
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Assuming your phone is rooted there are apps that can disable or prevent other apps from starting and running in the background- android optimize and autostarts seem to work for me.
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Looking at the specs for the OneTouch, I am not surprised it is fast.
The 600mhz chip it is using is quite overpowered for what is effectively a featurephone. It is also supporting a much smaller, less advanced screen (256K colors, TFT) which frees up a LOT of cpu cycles for basic functions. This kind of speed while just being a phone is why feature phones aren't as dead as people keep assuming.
It is also running Froyo, which was made for this kind of phone and likely races on it, without having to worry about the sort of strains a Galaxy class smartphone puts on an OS.
Remember, if you install a slimmed down OS on a custom designed modern laptop, and ONLY install a handful of programs no doubt it will break speed records. However, to judge it against a fully loaded, professional install is like comparing apples and oranges.
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I did and it was fantastic... just kidding
No I didn't. But now you've said it, just for the laughs, next time I will be around, I'll try angry birds... if possible (although not a 3D game... I think)!
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alcatel ot 908 runs NFS shift, NOVA, Gangstar, BIA2, Sandstorm, Sims3, Rackless Racing, GuerillaBob, dead space....runs 99% hd games that don't requires armv7 or 2.3
it's way better then most off QVGA android and all msm7201 and msm7225.... (hvga and qvga)
for that money...
Well I have to say.
Just bought this second hand SGS to test and compare with my Desire HD.
If I can be honest. Both have the same clock freq and specs seems the same, but the DHD (lets call it that way) is alot faster than the SGS.
I am amazed how long it takes to just open the camera. On the DHD the camera app opens in half a second I think.
Then sometimes you click on something and nothing happens making you think that you didn't click anything at all. On the DHD opening anything is instant.
I'm running Darky 10.22 so if someone knows if I need to change something to make this a faster thing please let me know.
the only advantage of the desire hd and the alcatel ot 908 (i own one of these and a desire S, very similar to the hd hardware-wise) is that out-o-the-box, they're configured almost perfectly for their respective OS version and hardware.. Samsung makes some very tough and cutting-edge hardware, but they've always been lagging behind software-wise (and still are to some extent, i know what i'm talking about here too : my main device is a note2 N7100 and my dev/test device is my old -but almost unbreakable even when I'm the one who opens it up to solder or repair sthg in it- galaxy s2 i9100... None of those were left "stock", they're both fitted with CM10-derivated ROMs (most of the time a ParanoidAndroid or some derivate), heavily customized and "after-market" optimized (thanks to all the good tips&tweaks found here at XDA ^^) just to remedy those problems.. Never for my life would I leave one of these stock (I run a stock firmware on a dual-boot on the SGS2, but that's only for entering USSD codes, as these usually won't work on CM7/9/10 ROMs)... And yet, they're both way better when they're still "stock" than the Wave 1 was, with his powerful 1GHz Snapdragon CPU, but a puny 512Mb RAM -shared with the OS/CPU and GPU at that, leaving a mere 312Mb -give or take- to the poor user.. Far too low for its memory-hungry Bada OS,even in its latest and last 2.X versions.. I couldn't even open a second page in its Dolphin browser before it started shutting down background apps and closing widgets.. :s).
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Thanks for the replies...
-I've tried CM7: it was fast but... it didn't felt home. So I dished it and went back to the samsung related rom's!
-Yes, SGS is prettier than 908 but really it's not so ugly. After all, my post was about speed, not beauty.
-So, if I load alcatel with 100+ apps I will feel the pain you say. We'll see... But if it's true then I will be angry again, very angry... with Google!
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you won't be able to load that many apps on it m8... ^^
even with a big-ass 32Gb SD card, its /system and /data partitions are way too tiny for this number.. trust me, I've tried it, it choked at 20-30 tops for "average" apps (between 1 and 4Mb each)...
My phone shows ive around 120 to 140 ram is that enough so that the phone functions smothly without laggings? And i wanna know what free ram u guys have while using ur phone ....
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Around 100MB +/- 50 free is nominal, I guess.
The way I understand it:
It's going to vary quite a bit, depending on what your doing, number of additional serviced installed, etc. But generally speaking, Android is a very different animal compared to -- say -- Windows. Free RAM doesn't really have an affect on performance, it's just RAM that's not being exploited. There are several parameters that tell the OS how much RAM should be free in a number of different circumstances, also when and how often to kill other services. i.e. As RAM usage increases, apps and services with increasingly higher priorities will be killed to free up RAM. So like if you run Angry Birds, you may start with 100MB free which will drop down to say 70 maybe even 50, but after a few minutes of running, the OS begins to try to free up memory to get it back to what ever the desired free RAM is set to. So after a few minutes, your RAM may go all the way back up to 100MB. Where Windows would just start to pound away at a page file on the hard drive, Android will start to kill applications then eventually kill lower priority services in order to free up the RAM it needs.
So basically every time you run a RAM heavy program, Android will start to kill the previously used programs (settings screen, browser, facebook, whatever), as they are now deemed lower priority. It's always fighting to maintain a certain about of RAM.
I have an average of about 150mb on the latest CyangenMod build (not ICS). However once I start up my phone and run the auto kill after about 10 minutes, I can have 200+ (sometimes as high as 250).
Bobbar said it well in terms of how much you need. To be honest, when I was on the stock rom, I would sometimes have less than 70mb free, yet my phone still wouldn't lag much. You can help with any launcher lag by disabling desktop animations and such.
I'm generally in the range of 60 - 90 MB free RAM at any given moment. My D3 does not lag at all. What you are reporting is absolutely fine.
My first phone regularly reported 25 - 40 MB free RAM at any given moment. Android runs fine on the D3 - it's best not to spend too much time worrying about it, IMO.
If you have a bunch of RAM free all the time it just means you're losing out on multitasking. Some people tweak their OOM values and such so that they have copious amounts of free RAM, this is not necessarily a good thing. IMO
Android aggressively pre-loads applications into memory. The most ideal situation is actually higher memory usage - as most apps don't need ridiculous amounts of memory to operate, and more apps cached in memory means faster launch times for those specific apps.
If you have a bunch of apps not closing and lagging your phone then try Auto killer.
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I've got 240MB free at any given moment with stock ROM and doesn't lag at all.
So, not to get off topic, what exactly do all these newer phones need 1GB of RAM for? Just to load up more apps into memory? I get it, it should make them load up faster...but is it necessary on Android?
It just blows me away how much these manufacturers charge for phones these days. Seems like we're just getting into the same kind of specs 'arms race' that people have been going through on their PCs for a while now, just so they can try to make more money. That's pretty sad, considering I have a fine experience with the D3 and G2x.
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So, not to get off topic, what exactly do all these newer phones need 1GB of RAM for? Just to load up more apps into memory? I get it, it should make them load up faster...but is it necessary on Android?
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1 gig of RAM would be a great thing, for instance for running GNU/Linux in chroot, which I do...
The prob is the Droid 3 doesn't have anywhere near enough total RAM, not to speak of free RAM.
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So, not to get off topic, what exactly do all these newer phones need 1GB of RAM for? Just to load up more apps into memory? I get it, it should make them load up faster...but is it necessary on Android?
It just blows me away how much these manufacturers charge for phones these days. Seems like we're just getting into the same kind of specs 'arms race' that people have been going through on their PCs for a while now, just so they can try to make more money. That's pretty sad, considering I have a fine experience with the D3 and G2x.
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Some.of.the Phones with 1gig ram have the lapdock, it docks with a keyboard/screen to be a pseudo laptop. When docked half the ram is set aside for the lapdock
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BenSWoodruff said:
So, not to get off topic, what exactly do all these newer phones need 1GB of RAM for? Just to load up more apps into memory? I get it, it should make them load up faster...but is it necessary on Android?
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Well, Android has gotten fatter, for one. Another would be Motos Webtop.
The more memory you have, the more apps you can have stored in it at any one time. Devices with small amounts of RAM (256 or so) may only be able run one major app at a time. But once you get into the 512 - 1GB+ range, users can freely switch between several heavy apps without them getting killed to free RAM. So you could switch between Angry Birds, then the browser, then YouTube or Email and Messaging without having to relaunch any of them.
So manufacturers tossing in more and more RAM does end up being a pretty good selling point.
It just blows me away how much these manufacturers charge for phones these days. Seems like we're just getting into the same kind of specs 'arms race' that people have been going through on their PCs for a while now, just so they can try to make more money. That's pretty sad, considering I have a fine experience with the D3 and G2x.
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Just looks at how powerful these devices are compared to just a few years ago. The innovation and power is increasing at an almost logarithmic rate. The price for a high-end smart phone has remained about the same, but the rate at which they are being cycled for newer, faster devices is crazy. So, in this sense, it may be accurate to compare it to PCs. But, it's only us enthusiasts that really feel the hit to the pocket book, because we always want to be on the bleeding edge. And most users, average users, will stay with the same device for a long time, they don't feel the same 'pain' as the enthusiasts group.
Back in 2005, before the iPhone and all that stuff, a smart would cost you almost $700 and it came with a steaming, stinking pile of Windows Mobile. We have it so good these days.
I have around 200MB at boot (CM7).
Yes, that should be enough RAM to use most apps without lagging. That's about what I had with stock, and I rarely ran out.
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My phone shows ive around 120 to 140 ram is that enough so that the phone functions smothly without laggings? And i wanna know what free ram u guys have while using ur phone ....
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512mb it's a little down for me... because i like multitasking and for example if you download something from a web page, using opera mobile or stock browser and you open facebook's app while you listening music (poweramp or winamp) it will kill your internet browser (cancel your download) due to your less ram avaible.
A great solution for us would be if we can enable a swap on our droids but it seems to be difficult (or imposible due to our locked bootloaders)... but if somoene is interested here is a link to the current topic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1407671
With swap enabled our device will move to virtual memory our background apps leaving free ram to our current app.
I'm using my Xperia T since 3 weeks ago, and overall I'm satisfied.
However, since I got back again to using Chrome instead of the stock browser, an unwelcome thought that creeped in my mind well before buying the XT came back full force: 1gb of ram is just not enough anymore.
Yeah, I know all too well that Chrome's memory consumption is absurd (I seriously think my full Win7 pc would probably run better given the same ram amount).
But it's very distressing when you open the 4th tab in chrome, and suddenly every other app gets terminated by Android, including the music player (which I was joyfully listening to), the home screen, emails, messages, etc.
Problem is, that the situation is still the same after many Chrome updates. It looks as if Chrome raised the bar for device memory, setting it to a 2gb minimum for "pro" devices. This is ridiculous, and it's gonna look worse, given that in JB and onwards there's no stock browser anymore.
I think the XT is not even a bit future proof. If this Chrome annoyance becomes real and everyday's, I may sell it well before than I expected.
Any thoughts?
Since music app is "making processes and producing sound" actively then it must be considered as a foreground app. Or at least a part of it (services) is active on the foreground. A fore ground app can not be closed by the system unless the available memory is really critical (less than 4 Mb i guess). Sometingh else must be forcing your devices memory. Galaxy S3 has the same amount of RAM but i have never seen it stopping the music or radio with neither stock music app or poweramp. Which music app is that?
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Since music app is "making processes and producing sound" actively then it must be considered as a foreground app. Or at least a part of it (services) is active on the foreground. A fore ground app can not be closed by the system unless the available memory is really critical (less than 4 Mb i guess). Sometingh else must be forcing your devices memory. Galaxy S3 has the same amount of RAM but i have never seen it stopping the music or radio with neither stock music app or poweramp. Which music app is that?
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the app is Sony's walkman app (Sony's stock music player).
tell me, have you ever used chrome with more than 2-3 tabs open? try it. it can bring your device down to its knees, sucking away the last remaining byte of ram from the system. it did so with my last year's Motorola atrix 2, it does now with my XT. same ram amount.
other than that, I've got facebook and whatsapp, and the least number of automatic syncs active.
I never experienced something like this. Usually have about 8 to 10 tabs open for sites I check regularly. Phone is always fast and smooth
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Same here. No prob with chrome on stock rom.
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Also no problems here, 6 tabs, while playing walkman via Bluetooth to a headset, auto sync on, WiFi on, could you try resetting both apps, force stop, clear cache and try again, see if it helps!
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I sometimes even exceed 12 tabs. Nothing so for. Because Chrome also has RAM management. If it notices that the free RAM is decreasing rapidly it saves one -or more- of the background tabs into a temp memory and closes it. Once you click on a closes tab it shows it in grey and takes 1-2 secs to relaod. It does not try to force keep every tab in the RAM.
In this thread I'm making different hypotheses.
1) Chrome sucks. It's dog slow, and becomes slower day after day (cache size growing indefinitely). It's pig fat.
2) Xperia T can't handle Chrome because 1 gig of ram is not enough for it.
The first one is a fact. I tended to just blame Chrome, but now I'm considering the second view too.
I'm happy if you don't have any problems with 6 or 12 tabs, but for me the issue strikes at as few as 4 tabs. Music stopping, home reloading, and everything. By the way, I wonder what are your average tabs' content in Chrome.
I am now testing Firefox and it seems it's much lighter on the system while displaying the same tabs. Now I wish they would strip out that useless extensions support... no one needs them, at least on mobile...
P.S.: When I say "four tabs" I mean tabs you're actively browsing in, not dormant/unloaded tabs!
How about the other way around? Does your browser keep refreshing if u open like 5 apps or more and go back to browser?
My s3 is getting an issue like this and I'm annoyed. Would like to switch or wait for 2gb ram Xperia Z
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How about the other way around? Does your browser keep refreshing if u open like 5 apps or more and go back to browser?
My s3 is getting an issue like this and I'm annoyed. Would like to switch or wait for 2gb ram Xperia Z
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Usual apps get reloaded pretty quickly on my Xperia, it almost goes unnoticed to me. Other than that, I think it's down to the individual app's weight.
Judging from the running apps list, most apps weigh well below Chrome.
How come there is only 643 mb total available ram?
And is there a way to lock apps in memory? I want to lock browser, it keeps reloading if I opened 2 apps and go back to browser.
Or can we modify how android is killing the apps?
Thanks
Edit: I searched and found out that the gpu eats the remaining ram
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modem os will need some RAM... maybe try 3rd party browsers? like dolphin...
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R: [Q] 1gb ram not enough?
The memory not shown is used by the video card (probably 128 mb), the linux kernel and drivers and maybe some core android libraries.
The scandal is that 300~400 megs used by android apps just to idle around.
Even an easy app like whatsapp eats 8 mb just to sit there and wait for incoming messages.
This really boils down to bad os design.
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I use the stock browser mostly cause it plays flash and chrome doesn't and before I update to JB I'm going to back it up with Titanium Backup I've also read that Jelly Bean can play flash too even if it's not as stable
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In this thread I'm making different hypotheses.
1) Chrome sucks. It's dog slow, and becomes slower day after day (cache size growing indefinitely). It's pig fat.
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I don't think it's quite that bad, as other commentors have noted your mileage will vary.
2) Xperia T can't handle Chrome because 1 gig of ram is not enough for it.
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Trust me it handles it just fine... Try it on a Samsung Captivate (or Nexus S which is equivalent) with 512 MB of RAM.
I am now testing Firefox and it seems it's much lighter on the system while displaying the same tabs. Now I wish they would strip out that useless extensions support... no one needs them, at least on mobile...
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I haven't tried the latest Firefox on my Xperia TL, but on my Captivate running CM 10.1, it was even more bloated than Chrome.
Try any of these:
Full versions;
Boat Mobile
Opera
Xscope
Dolphin
All of them are WAY faster than chrome, (especially boat and opera) and easily handle a heavy tab load.
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This really boils down to bad os design.
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Uh.. No.. Android has _WAY_ better memory management than most OS' including Windows. Try running Chrome on a Pentium 4 1.5 Ghz (MIPS equivalent???) with only 768 MB of system memory available.
Most versions of windows would choke and die on that.
the way Android handles memory is brilliant and allows for seamless multi-tasking. I would suggest a couple of things:
1) Root your phone and remove the bloated apps.
2) If you don't want to root your phone, disable apps you are not using. Like instead of leaving the stock messaging app enabled while using What's app, disable it. It will reduce your messaging requirements.
And really, don't you want your messaging app running all the time? Do you want to miss a message?
Trust me it handles it just fine... Try it on a Samsung Captivate (or Nexus S which is equivalent) with 512 MB of RAM.
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I don't have any 512mb phone anymore, but I've tried Explorer on a WP7.8 phone with that amount of ram and it ran faster, leaner, lag-less, and it didn't shut down tabs or other system apps with 6 tabs open.
I haven't tried the latest Firefox on my Xperia TL, but on my Captivate running CM 10.1, it was even more bloated than Chrome.
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Boat Mobile
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I am already trying Opera (but like Firefox more for its smoothness, and Opera's UI is outdated after many years), and have used Dolphin some time. Second hand browsers are all more or less clones built around major engines. I prefer first hand.
Uh.. No.. Android has _WAY_ better memory management than most OS' including Windows. Try running Chrome on a Pentium 4 1.5 Ghz (MIPS equivalent???) with only 768 MB of system memory available.
Most versions of windows would choke and die on that.
the way Android handles memory is brilliant and allows for seamless multi-tasking.
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MIPS? ARM you mean? Either way if there's only 768mb available out of 1gb, it's still android's/google's fault. Specifically in my Xperia T there's only ~650mb available, making it a combined Google-Sony fault.
Besides, I'm not talking of bad memory management, but of Google's bad design choices. Without going too deep, Google could have chosen to use native code like ios, to improve speed and memory consumption. Java code (turned into native code at run-time) can not be shared between apps, so if 2 apps use the same java library, basically the same native code will be generated and stored twice. I don't know if android core libraries are native or java, but the minimum 3-4mb memory usage per process, even the lightest one, points to the worse option, at least for part of the libs.
Besides memory consumption, android's java runtime (dalvik) is not nearly as fast as it should be; it eats dust from .net (Windows phone) and oracle's desktop java. But Google is not interested in gettings these things better, unless we're talking of in app purchases, ads, or other sources of their revenue....
Also keep in mind programmers will do as much as you allow them in terms of bloat. Google's Android team should be slapping Facebook's all the time for consuming up more memory than a browser instance of facebook on my full-featured Windows box (66mb on android for the service alone vs 60mb on internet Explorer 10), but with their class-leading memory-whore Chrome, they come first in the blame list.
Ultimately, I think it's all Google's fault, be it for bad design decisions or for not keeping the environment controlled enough.
1gb of ram is easily enough for a top end device (though 2gb is optimal) but as has been mentioned, its due to 'bad' design, android was built for blackberry style devices and quickly edited to run on touchscreens to compete with the iPhone so at its core its not really a touch OS. If you were to buy an ancient castle and try upgrade it to a modern 5star hotel or build a 5 star hotel from scratch you will see what I mean - this is why we have launcher being killed from memory on the s3 with 1g ram, bad handling with the browser etc...
The problem is, while Google do eventually get around to fixing fundamental flaws (project butter for example) its always too late and after just trying to throw better hardware at it. An iPhone 3gs was smoother than the s3 quad core on ICS, that was embarrassing for them and they realised it was time to fix it in the software because hardware only improved it so much... Next year when our phones have 4gb ram and browsers lose the data and need to reload while iPhone 4s retain all 8 tabs on 512 mb ram will force them to implement a project ram type change to the os. I wish it wasn't necessary though because jelly bean on 2012/13 flagships should be perfect, not almost there.
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But still, why do we have only 643MB, while other devices have 800MB and more. Something is not much well done here.
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the app is Sony's walkman app (Sony's stock music player).
tell me, have you ever used chrome with more than 2-3 tabs open? try it. it can bring your device down to its knees, sucking away the last remaining byte of ram from the system. it did so with my last year's Motorola atrix 2, it does now with my XT. same ram amount.
other than that, I've got facebook and whatsapp, and the least number of automatic syncs active.
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I have had this happen to me. Listening to the Sony Walkman App through bluetooth headset...and browsing on stock browser.. after around 20 mins or so..the walkman app stops and has lost the playlist etc and on opening shows the tracks as if they have just been loaded from new. Posted this on sony forum's but they cannot say anything on this behaviour.
R: [Q] 1gb ram not enough?
peetr_ said:
But still, why do we have only 643MB, while other devices have 800MB and more. Something is not much well done here.
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Let's hope it gets better on jelly bean !
Though I continue be impressed by the Battery Life and ability to move Apps to SD on the T-Mobile Note 4, I've noticed the free RAM availability is pretty slim when using the device on a day-to-day basis. The T-Mobile Note 4 is probably one of those carrier devices that I've experience containing little or not bloat. Not sure if the 3GB RAM specification lives up to its value. Makes room for Samsung to add more to the background process. In reality, a stock Vanilla Android device uses about 1/3 of its RAM whereas anything overlaying it like Touchwiz or HTC Sense uses more.
arjun90 said:
Though I continue be impressed by the Battery Life and ability to move Apps to SD on the T-Mobile Note 4, I've noticed the free RAM availability is pretty slim when using the device on a day-to-day basis. The T-Mobile Note 4 is probably one of those carrier devices that I've experience containing little or not bloat. Not sure if the 3GB RAM specification lives up to its value. Makes room for Samsung to add more to the background process. In reality, a stock Vanilla Android device uses about 1/3 of its RAM whereas anything overlaying it like Touchwiz or HTC Sense uses more.
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After an heavy debloat and greenify a lot, I have about 1.2 gig free after reboot and then drop and stay around 400-500mb after some use. I use next launcher, though, which is heavy on ram and I currently(temporarily) use Pimp my Screen which is ridiculiously heavy. I use a Wave live wallpaper, which I never used a live wallpaper on my S2, 3, or 4, but I had ram to spare and I like it. So, thats rpobably 200mb used up in looking pretty. After fresh Rom, I was losing 2% overnight. So I'm pleased but I agree that more RAM in phone is more RAM used by phone and you kinda end up with the same numbers in the end.
This has been long discussed and resolved years ago. Android is designed to utilize as much RAM as possible to function smoothly. If you're phone is running poorly or not quickly enough, chances are it's a rogue app that was made poorly causing your issue.
RAM usage should not be likened to an OS like Windows.
Not being an Apple fanboy, it seems Apple was able to optimize their apps just right to go hand-in-hand with the available RAM.
mzrdisi said:
This has been long discussed and resolved years ago. Android is designed to utilize as much RAM as possible to function smoothly. If you're phone is running poorly or not quickly enough, chances are it's a rogue app that was made poorly causing your issue.
RAM usage should not be likened to an OS like Windows.
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Exactly my thought, "So I'm pleased but I agree that more RAM in phone is more RAM used by phone and you kinda end up with the same numbers in the end."
I'll need to monitor which apps causes my device to occupy over 90% of the RAM at all times. Ironically, my device has not once froze up or restarted. I'm stunned if the device can keep up in this environment.
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After an heavy debloat and greenify a lot, I have about 1.2 gig free after reboot and then drop and stay around 400-500mb after some use. I use next launcher, though, which is heavy on ram and I currently(temporarily) use Pimp my Screen which is ridiculiously heavy. I use a Wave live wallpaper, which I never used a live wallpaper on my S2, 3, or 4, but I had ram to spare and I like it. So, thats rpobably 200mb used up in looking pretty. After fresh Rom, I was losing 2% overnight. So I'm pleased but I agree that more RAM in phone is more RAM used by phone and you kinda end up with the same numbers in the end.
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I'm not sure why but I like to see free ram. Iknow what people say about killing apps and then they restart…… but I'm a bit of a battery dork and spend decent time on tweaks for power. I feel like I get as good or better than I've seen posted and I try to have as much ram as possible free. It has always worked for me, but my phone habits may be different from others. I don't even have a facebook account.
Oh yea, Apple has to pre-optimized because their user can't do it for themselves!)
I'm just saying, I'm sure the Software engineers know quite a bit more about the subject than hobbyists like many of us on here.
People obsess about battery life all the time and all of these tweaks and apps people use I find don't do any real good. I'm not saying they don't help at all, because it would seem based on some people's claims it does. But I feel there are so many other factors that really are the problem. Primarily how you just simply use your phone. And 2nd, which is the issue I find most often on Android is someone downloading a terrible app that is running in the BG allll day without them really knowing it. (GPS being used frequently or the kernel is kept awake for long periods of time)
But my point above was that you will and really shouldn't see your device with 50% or more RAM on an Android device. It's just not designed to be that way. If the apps you are using are basically "made" properly. You don't need to worry about having to close apps or block them from running.
One of the culprits using a lot of RAM is Lookout Mobile Security. I have T-Mobile Jump. Never knew Lookout was one of the culprits.
You're busy and don't have time to wait, which is why you need to stop reading this thread and get back to organizing your Pogs. Rate this thread to express how the LG Nexus 5X performs when multitasking. A higher rating indicates that the LG Nexus 5X keeps many apps in memory so that they don't need to reload, and that when moving between apps, transitions are smooth and performance is excellent.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
Does a pretty good job keeping apps in RAM considering it only has 2GB RAM. Can hold about 6 apps.
Holds up just fine with "only" 2GB of RAM. Would I want more? Sure. I don't think there is such a thing as too much RAM. However, the Nexus 5X does hold up just fine with 2GB RAM.
I think amount of RAM is fine, but...
Nexus 5X is very capable phone and multitasking is mostly fine, but I feel that it could be better if LG would use faster flash storage(throughput), when compared to lets say Samsung flash memory that is included in Galaxy S6 and such.
For the most part it seems ok, but i do frequently experience phone locks and lag. Snapchat seems to absolutely hammer the RAM and makes the phone practically unusable, known issue from what i've seen on the Play Store reviews.
Not sure if it's my configuration...
Maybe it's the apps and features I have configured, but I see the memory becoming a problem. I'm sitting at 80% or memory used most of the time, while my N5 (with the same amount of ram) is at 46%. My N5X leaves about 350MB free, which may not cut it for intense use. I'll need to look into tweaks to reduce the OS use of memory, but I'm surprised that the N5, with the same amount of memory but a slower processor, is running more smoothly.
Never had a dropped application. 2GB is enough. I only use 200MB and have 1.7GB available which is enough to run intensive games (which required around 800MB to run).
EDIT: I am using PureNexus as my ROM so it's probably due to optimizations.
2GB is good enough for now, but given that this is a 64-bit device that means installed apps are going to take up more space both in the storage and memory. 2GB may not suffice down the road, even though it's more than enough for now.
Yap, 2 GB is good enough for now.
I really don't think the 2GB is going to be a big problem for me personally.
The 5x seems to do nice job managing the memory. Granted i only use it for browsing and reading mostly. Also the occasional video. No lagging yet.
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Maybe it's the apps and features I have configured, but I see the memory becoming a problem. I'm sitting at 80% or memory used most of the time, while my N5 (with the same amount of ram) is at 46%. My N5X leaves about 350MB free, which may not cut it for intense use. I'll need to look into tweaks to reduce the OS use of memory, but I'm surprised that the N5, with the same amount of memory but a slower processor, is running more smoothly.
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I'm looking into this also, the nexus5 was just right with my usage, but the 5x is just short with the same apps
Opera mobile which uses a lot but the system is also at 650-700mb ram
Less RAM Available!!
This is my main concern along with battery
I use tasker, twilight, autovoice, Google now, join, and many other apps that need to be kept in ram
That would let me a few MB for keeping other apps like chrome or tapatalk. I predict redraws for that apps... Right?
(I'm still deciding between 5x and moto x style)
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Multitasking sucks on this phone!
Almost all of the apps refresh everytime, and the available ram is always around 400mb even when there's no apps running in the background.
Any way to.improve this?
Coming from Nexus 6 I have to agree the available memory is too low. Apps almost always close in the background and have to constantly refresh and lose progress. And its not like I've got tons of app running all at once, just simple apps like Firefox, inbox and WhatsApp. I'm running latest version of PureNexus Rom and available memory is always below 500MB. Wouldn't recommend this phone to anyone.
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After 10 months I still have no issues with RAM management on this device. My apps rarely reload and I've never seen a launcher redraw. I'm able to do GPS navigation in the hot sun while streaming Spotify and still able to answering a SMS with Google voice without any of them closing.
Those who load up on lots of background services might have issues, however starting with Android N that will no longer be a problem. See XDA article below on Android N limiting 3rd party background services.
http://www.xda-developers.com/how-android-n-will-improve-battery-and-memory-management/
on hindsight whether 2gb of ram is enough will depend on how app developers are able to optimize their apps so that it does not hog unnecessary memory. however in the wake of the latest android n os with increase system ram consumption. i believe much modifications will have to be done to keep the 5x optimise and smooth for daily usage
Since Android N, i noticed something strange in games.
For exemple in Deus Ex Go or The Room 3.
The games runs well, but after some minutes, it starts to lag.
Don't know what's happen, it's like game is loading its content, level after level but never clean it after levels are done.
fruity101079 said:
Since Android N, i noticed something strange in games.
For exemple in Deus Ex Go or The Room 3.
The games runs well, but after some minutes, it starts to lag.
Don't know what's happen, it's like game is loading its content, level after level but never clean it after levels are done.
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It's probably more related to CPU throttling.
Android is doing the best it can with what is has on this device, but 2 GB of ram just isn't enough to handle heavy multitasking without some rather large hiccups where the device just slows down and chugs for a bit.