Does anybody else find the S.pen of the SGN really bad??.. when it comes to drawing some stuff..? Any remedy for that?
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i don't draw but i do annotate quite a lot, and it feels like the calibration is a bit off. what in particular about it is your concern?
Like, the place where i point the pen and the place where it writes is not the same,the location where it writes is a little bit to the upper left( not precise)... and its also has a latency after writing...
Its not a very big problem for me just a little critic...
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crz2uf said:
Does anybody else find the S.pen of the SGN really bad??.. when it comes to drawing some stuff..? Any remedy for that?
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I've used five s-pens so far, and two of them were significantly worse than the other three. Good news is that the problem is most likely with the pen itself and not with the Note!
Try getting a different pen (e.g. there is an official Samsung holder that comes with another pen). For the offset problem, try to switch from right to left to right... several times --- sometimes that helps to make the offset more reasonable. Also experiment with the angle of the Note as you write, often that makes a difference too.
Just my two cents...
The reason why it seems a bit of is done on purpose.
You notice this when you change your writing hand in the settings.
When it's set to your right hand, the drawing is slightly left of your pen. With the left hand it's the other way around.
This is done so you can see what you are drawing/writing and your hand is not in the way.
I know it sucks, but Samsung made it this way.
jellevanb said:
The reason why it seems a bit of is done on purpose.
You notice this when you change your writing hand in the settings.
When it's set to your right hand, the drawing is slightly left of your pen. With the left hand it's the other way around.
This is done so you can see what you are drawing/writing and your hand is not in the way.
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This is true, but some pens have larger offset than the others. I think some of them have sensitive elements inside aligned better. And actually this works rather nicely if the offset is reasonable, at least for me. Takes a bit of practice, but feels quite natural after a while... if you think about it, some offset is appropriate, since there are three surfaces at different depths: the writing surface, the "displaying" surface, and the actual surface which is sensitive to the pen's movements (this one is quite deep, it's behind the screen, not in front of it)...
Try different pens before giving up
Yeah the calibration is not exact to the point. When I'm writing words normally I'm not really affected, only when it comes to drawing in slow motions, the placement is off and it's frustrating for drawing little details.
However, I managed to dig out an old stylus which came with my ancient fujitsu tablet PC and it's calibrated perfectly.
I've noticed that the angle to which I hold the s-pen to the surface makes a difference in percieved accuracy.
This app has worked for me:
https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLnZpdGFsLnRzdC5uNzAwMCJd
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This app has worked for me:
https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLnZpdGFsLnRzdC5uNzAwMCJd
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... Just note that it requires root
It will run without root, kinda, but you'll be getting something like this on the unlock:
"ERROR: IOException! No ROOT permissions?"
iamastone said:
However, I managed to dig out an old stylus which came with my ancient fujitsu tablet PC and it's calibrated perfectly.
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With the Fujitsu pen, does it have calibration issues or extra lines if you write on it upside down, like if you were lying on your back? My biggest pet peeve with this phone is that I can only use the pen if I'm sitting upright and holding the pen just so, otherwise calibration is way off and a lot of unintended lines appear.
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I've noticed that the angle to which I hold the s-pen to the surface makes a difference in percieved accuracy.
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I've noticed this too. It's most apparent to me when I set my phone on a table, holding the pen by it's very end. Touching the screen with the point and changing the angle of the pen relative to the screen--without moving the tip of the pen;s position at all--you can see the cursor move with the angle of the pen, even though the tip stays in one place.
The best way to fix this, in my mind, is for Wacom to do on this phone what they do for a lot of their tablets--have a little dot show up on the screen when you hover your pen, so you know where you'll be drawing.
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With the Fujitsu pen, does it have calibration issues or extra lines if you write on it upside down, like if you were lying on your back? My biggest pet peeve with this phone is that I can only use the pen if I'm sitting upright and holding the pen just so, otherwise calibration is way off and a lot of unintended lines appear.
I've noticed this too. It's most apparent to me when I set my phone on a table, holding the pen by it's very end. Touching the screen with the point and changing the angle of the pen relative to the screen--without moving the tip of the pen;s position at all--you can see the cursor move with the angle of the pen, even though the tip stays in one place.
The best way to fix this, in my mind, is for Wacom to do on this phone what they do for a lot of their tablets--have a little dot show up on the screen when you hover your pen, so you know where you'll be drawing.
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This is a damn good idea right here. Someone should forward this to Samsung before they roll out the ICS update.
emignatius said:
This is a damn good idea right here. Someone should forward this to Samsung before they roll out the ICS update.
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I believe this is already in ICS.
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Well you guys said it all... drawing details,drawing slowly, lots of unwanted lines appear...etc...
I see, so its most likely caused by the pen rather than the note itself... ill give the app(touchscreentune) a try..thanks.
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is there or can anyone create a small applet that can use the kaiser's touchscreen as a scale to measure weight, such as 0.3grams
...what's that white stuff on your phone?...kidding. kewl idea
Cool idea! So, is there anyone that can elaborate on the technical details of how our touchscreens function so we can figure out if the idea is feasible?
Here are some links, im really liking this idea. I even believe it could work. I doubt it would work for measurments over 45g
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The reason I can see this working is the screen depends on the screen being pressure sensitive.
well, we are able to change the sensitivity of our touch screens, can't we incorporate that into a simple application
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is there or can anyone create a small applet that can use the kaiser's touchscreen as a scale to measure weight, such as 0.3grams
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Haha, you guys are funny... i hope it takes gram and dime
can anyone do anything with this lol?
I want a pocket scale! That would be sooo handy! ; )
HAHAHAHAHA Oh, the possibilities!
lmao its hilarious because me and a few of my friends have been talking about that for ages, and assumed it not possible. If it is, id pay. I got like $15 goin to whoever makes that program >D
It isn't. Touchscreens of the kind you find on the kaiser are made of 2 layers separated by little "rubber spacers" (the dots you can see when looking at the screen when it's off in strong light). The pressure needs to be great enough to bend the upper layer and have it touch the other one. But as it's the pressure that matters, if you put a weight that is the size of the screen, even if it's 100-200gr the screen won't even feel a press.
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It isn't. Touchscreens of the kind you find on the kaiser are made of 2 layers separated by little "rubber spacers" (the dots you can see when looking at the screen when it's off in strong light). The pressure needs to be great enough to bend the upper layer and have it touch the other one. But as it's the pressure that matters, if you put a weight that is the size of the screen, even if it's 100-200gr the screen won't even feel a press.
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damn it! i thought about this before!
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It isn't. Touchscreens of the kind you find on the kaiser are made of 2 layers separated by little "rubber spacers" (the dots you can see when looking at the screen when it's off in strong light). The pressure needs to be great enough to bend the upper layer and have it touch the other one. But as it's the pressure that matters, if you put a weight that is the size of the screen, even if it's 100-200gr the screen won't even feel a press.
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I was thinking the same thing. However, it still seems like it could be done with a standardized container, such as a bottle cap. That way you have the same area always touching the screen, and just the force changes (pressure = force / area, and force is weight). Stick a standardized 1 gram weight in the cap, put it on the screen, run the calibration part of the program, then always use that cap to hold whatever you're weighing.
I still don't know if the screen technology would let this work, but I think there's a chance. Perhaps the program could sweep the screen sensitivity from low to high, looking for when a "screen tap" is sensed, if simply looking at the touchscreen output isn't enough to determing weight...
I got 10 on it.
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I was thinking the same thing. However, it still seems like it could be done with a standardized container, such as a bottle cap. That way you have the same area always touching the screen, and just the force changes (pressure = force / area, and force is weight).
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I thought of that too, but seeing the pitch of the dots I guess the contact surface would have to be relatively small (like max 3x3mm), which would lead to the holder tipping over all the time... Not to mention the response on the screen is most likely less than linear, so one would have to always use the same "spot" on the screen to put the container on... At this point my little 500gr/0.1gr resolution pocket scale seems more convenient
oh well, thnx
I don't know if its just me, but I think I'll look kinda weird at the spuermarket putting bananas on my phone
Dude you have to be the ONLY person who thought, "scale? Bananas!"
This one :- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kensington-...X39I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1342685483&sr=8-1
It's very well made and has a good heft to it, feels like quality. I've only been able to test it on my TP as N7 still on the slow boat from Timbuktoo, the TP is not as sensitive as the N7 and pressure sensitive apps don't seem to work on it so more on that when the N7 arrives. That said the stylus is very responsive and the tip does not 'stick' to the screen although I suppose it depends what (if any) screen protector you have and how tacky it is so ymmv.
The pen end is not a gimmick, it takes Parker refills so that's a big plus point, the lid clips on firmly and the pocket clip is very strong but there's nowhere to store the cap when you are using the pen as it won't fit over the stylus tip, that's a minor problem though..
I have only one big gripe but which could be a problem if you intend to use it for long periods, when using the stylus end the balance point is too far back for my liking and the stylus wants to tip back all the time, given it's weight this is noticeable quite quickly. The balance point is a tiny bit forward of the line of the cap joint which is about the two thirds mark. You can ease the problem by taking the cap off the end but that exposes the pen nib with all the dangers of drawing on your hand/clothes as well as the screen.
As I said above, it's a well made piece if kit and well worth the money, I've used a few styluses from checp nasty ones to better quality, this one is by far the best I've used yet even given the balance issue.
I got this as well and am very happy with it! This is my first tablet, so maybe I don't know what a real good stylus is, but it feels really natural to use and I actually prefer it over using my fingers. Plus less smudging and the pen is handy as well
Got my N7 this morning and have had time to play with it, compared to the TP the screen responsiveness is in another league altogether.
The stylus is smooth running across the (as yet) unprotected screen and pressure sensitivity works very well, the Kensington gets a couple more stars from me
Update, Three weeks later and while the stylus is still as good to use, the pen cap is getting loose (rubber O ring a bit thin) which means it can come apart when hung from the clip. Drops a star for that.
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Got my N7 this morning and have had time to play with it, compared to the TP the screen responsiveness is in another league altogether.
The stylus is smooth running across the (as yet) unprotected screen and pressure sensitivity works very well, the Kensington gets a couple more stars from me
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There is no pressure sensitivity on the Nexus 7, why do you keep mentioning this?
khaytsus said:
There is no pressure sensitivity on the Nexus 7, why do you keep mentioning this?
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My guess....he's using Quill or a similar app which has a tool that somehow manages to mimic pressure sensitivity.
khaytsus said:
There is no pressure sensitivity on the Nexus 7, why do you keep mentioning this?
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I wonder if there's an app that can transfer pressure sensitivity via Bluetooth or WiFi.
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I spoke of pressure sensitive Apps, not the N7 screen. I can't speak for all Apps but Markers is one that responds well to the stylus. I think it may be sensing tip coverage but it goes much further than just the area touched by the stylus (or your finger) try it and you'll see what I mean.
Final thought on this stylus, I've given up on it!
The tip went soft and started dragging on the screen and I got to dislike the feel of the stylus so much (especially the surface roughness) that I had to force myself to use it, so it's consigned to the drawer. I can use the pen refill elsewhere.
Moved on now to an Applydea Maglus, opinions pending
Troute said:
Final thought on this stylus, I've given up on it!
The tip went soft and started dragging on the screen and I got to dislike the feel of the stylus so much (especially the surface roughness) that I had to force myself to use it, so it's consigned to the drawer. I can use the pen refill elsewhere.
Moved on now to an Applydea Maglus, opinions pending
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I got the silver elago stylus for 10 bucks, made of aluminum, removable soft tip, nice length, width, weight, and it includes an additional soft tip
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I've had to ditch this stylus too - after about a month of smooth note taking using Quill the stylus has started to skip when writing, i've no idea why as it still looks solid enough and the screen is fine. But it keeps dropping out and makes it impossible to use now as a stylus...
Just recieved a Smith & Wesson tactical stylus and its fantastic on the N7 so far - works really well with the pressure effects in Quill too!
So bye bye Virtuoso
Doallyn said:
I've had to ditch this stylus too - after about a month of smooth note taking using Quill the stylus has started to skip when writing, i've no idea why as it still looks solid enough and the screen is fine. But it keeps dropping out and makes it impossible to use now as a stylus...
Just recieved a Smith & Wesson tactical stylus and its fantastic on the N7 so far - works really well with the pressure effects in Quill too!
So bye bye Virtuoso
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Mine has become totally unusable now, the tip seems sticky and will not run across the screen smoothly.
I've found Skype to be a bit awkward on my N7 because the camera is angled at 90degrees from the frame, rather than sloping towards the center of the screen. As a result I have to hold the tablet further away from me, but then I sometimes struggle to hear the audio from the back-facing speaker.
Has anyone else found this? Or, has anyone here heard of other devices where the camera angle has been modified, and how?
Thoughts?
Tilt the tablet slightly
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Pretty sure anything involving tilting the camera would be more trouble than its worth, you may be able to stick a small refractive lens to the front of it but not sure if anyone makes one.
MikeMurphy said:
I've found Skype to be a bit awkward on my N7 because the camera is angled at 90degrees from the frame, rather than sloping towards the center of the screen. As a result I have to hold the tablet further away from me, but then I sometimes struggle to hear the audio from the back-facing speaker.
Has anyone else found this? Or, has anyone here heard of other devices where the camera angle has been modified, and how?
Thoughts?
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Get a case. The speaker is designed to bounce sound if there's a surface behind it (try putting the tablet flat on a table). Or just hold it such that your hand cups the speaker and redirects sound at your face.
davidcampbell said:
Pretty sure anything involving tilting the camera would be more trouble than its worth, you may be able to stick a small refractive lens to the front of it but not sure if anyone makes one.
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Thanks. I might take my N7 apart and possibly wedge something behind the camera depending on how its secured. A small adjustment to the angle would go a long way.
Will let you know if I am able to make any good progress on this.
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Tilt the tablet slightly
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Thanks for contributing. Unfortunately, I'm at a loss for words that might help you understand what the problem is.
You might want to sit this one out.
MikeMurphy said:
Thanks for contributing. Unfortunately, I'm at a loss for words that might help you understand what the problem is.
You might want to sit this one out.
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He's obviously saying that tilting the tablet up a bit is a lot easier than screwing up something trying to modify the camera. I suggest looking long and hard at tear-downs before you attempt anything.
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Thanks for contributing. Unfortunately, I'm at a loss for words that might help you understand what the problem is.
You might want to sit this one out.
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I know exactly what the problem is. And my suggestion is that the easiest way to fix it is to simply tilt the tablet to aim the camera where you want to aim it. Sorted.
uberNoobZA said:
I know exactly what the problem is. And my suggestion is that the easiest way to fix it is to simply tilt the tablet to aim the camera where you want to aim it. Sorted.
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I wrote that having the camera at a 90 degree angle to the frame makes for awkward Skype conversations.
Now this next part is critical as to why your suggestion doesn't address anything: If I tilt the frame, the camera is still at 90 degrees to the frame. If you don't believe me, try it.
I haven't pulled my N7 apart to do anything other than loosen and tighten the screws. Looking through the bezel at the camera I see what appears to be some space between the camera and the bezel. This might not actually be the case, but it looks like it is. If the camera is anything like the camera built into my S2 it can be slightly angled with some gentle coaxing. Given the narrow angle of the camera optics I don't believe the edge of the bezel would interfere by blocking part of the camera's image, either.
Perhaps a good place to start is the ifixit tear-downs per suggestion above. Thanks!
Cheers,
Had a look through ifixit, see step 13 on the below link.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/2
Unfortunately, the connector appears to be on the wrong axis for easy bending / tilting. It would have to be twisted which doesn't work well.
MikeMurphy said:
Had a look through ifixit, see step 13 on the below link.
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-7-Teardown/9623/2
Unfortunately, the connector appears to be on the wrong axis for easy bending / tilting. It would have to be twisted which doesn't work well.
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Actually in that teardown, it appears to be attached via a really short ribbon that might flex a little...
So it may be possible, with the right application of something really thin at the front of the camera on the inside edge, and something at the back behind the camera on the outside edge might be enough to tilt it slightly for your purposes, something thin like a tiny slit of paper, or a tiny bit of sticker you could cut from a bumper sticker maybe.
Can someone please confirm this:
I have noticed that the s pen is not accurate when you try to draw a vertical line(Slowly) alongside the left edge from top to bottom or vice-versa. It jiggles a tiny bit (left and right) when you're drawing.
Also the very bottom right corner is really messed up.
Is this normal? Is it just wacom limitation??
It only jitters when you draw slowly.
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I have a similar issue where it isnt very accurate at the bottom of my screen. I just got a new S-Pen too.
blindskater39 said:
I have a similar issue where it isnt very accurate at the bottom of my screen. I just got a new S-Pen too.
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Hmm.. i hope it's not a defective unit :/
can you please try to draw a vertical line alongside the left edge of the screen from top to bottom slowly and post the screenshot. Appreciated
mandroid email said:
Hmm.. i hope it's not a defective unit :/
can you please try to draw a vertical line alongside the left edge of the screen from top to bottom slowly and post the screenshot. Appreciated
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Ok yeah its like your screen shot (which the link to it is now broken), little jagged edges on my lines by the edge of the screen. Then at the very bottom the S-Pen can be a millimeter off at certain spots. I got mine off ebay used so another users input would be nice.
I have had 2 note 4's and a note 3 and they've all had issues around the edges. Its most likely a hardware limitation.
I would guess it's the slight curve on the edge of the screen that cause this issue. Did some tests using a tool to keep the pen straighter then by hand. The curve causes issues from what I can detect.
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I have had 2 note 4's and a note 3 and they've all had issues around the edges. Its most likely a hardware limitation.
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Thanks for your reply.
I thought i had a defective unit.
Glad to hear it's normal.
This is likely the metal frame and surrounding electronics distorting the Wacom's magnetic field...
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I would guess it's the slight curve on the edge of the screen that cause this issue. Did some tests using a tool to keep the pen straighter then by hand. The curve causes issues from what I can detect.
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Thank you for replying.
That can be a factor but you can see the air view pointer shakes even if you are just hovering (without touching the screen)
This is likely the metal frame and surrounding electronics distorting the Wacom's radio field, because if you get a magnet close to the display you can see that the pointer gets way off i have noticed this when i had a cover with a magnetic closure.
I just got my note 8 yesterday, I noticed that the nib on the pen feels a little loose. Is that nature?
saidgta said:
I just got my note 8 yesterday, I noticed that the nib on the pen feels a little loose. Is that nature?
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I noticed this the other day too and think it's normal. The end is spring loaded and that's where the little movement comes from. No worries.
Misterxtc said:
I noticed this the other day too and think it's normal. The end is spring loaded and that's where the little movement comes from. No worries.
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Can you feel this Loose when you're trying Draw "S" or Circle?
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Can you feel this Loose when you're trying Draw "S" or Circle?
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No not unless I'm actually touching the end. Even then it only wiggles a little. It sounds as if your spring may have gotten weak. Maybe check out some others in a store if you are near one.
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No not unless I'm actually touching the end. Even then it only wiggles a little. It sounds as if your spring may have gotten weak. Maybe check out some others in a store if you are near one.
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My loose is horizontal
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My loose is horizontal
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Yup, that's no good. Mine is solid that way.
It is normal that the tip or nib has a little tolerance at the sides, so it will move freely up and down to react accurately to different pressure levels all s pens are this way
winol said:
It is normal that the tip or nib has a little tolerance at the sides, so it will move freely up and down to react accurately to different pressure levels all s pens are this way
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Please see below video, this is my S Pen.
I think this tolerance is high and nib is loose. what you think?
https://youtu.be/OW7G-m2KH_g
saidgta said:
Please see below video, this is my S Pen.
I think this tolerance is high and nib is loose. what you think?
https://youtu.be/OW7G-m2KH_g
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@winol is correct. Movement at the tip or nib as you call it is totally normal. I thought you were talking about where the plastic and metal are joined.
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Please see below video, this is my S Pen.
I think this tolerance is high and nib is loose. what you think?
https://youtu.be/OW7G-m2KH_g
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Rest assured, it is normal, all s pens are like yours, my s pens in note 3,4,7 and now 8 are the same way
As others have said, that is normal.
Its spring loaded to allow it to retreat into the housing, and its conical. Therefore it has to move really.
Worrying, yes. But thats the nature of the design.
Don`t worry! It`s 100%
N10AP said:
As others have said, that is normal.
Its spring loaded to allow it to retreat into the housing, and its conical. Therefore it has to move really.
Worrying, yes. But thats the nature of the design.
Don`t worry! It`s 100%
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are you sense this loose in your hand when drawing Lines or circles Quickly too?
i sense this as small "tik"(or Knock) when drawing...
ok the best way to describe it is that there should be a deflection at the tip of the nib from a loci located at the base of the nib where it is seated (i.e. the movement should be the nib deflecting from the base where it is clamped), if the nib is moving around in a manner that suggest that it is translating (i.e. the whole shaft is move in unison) than it may not be seated correctly.
also the note 8 does not need excessive force when using the pen, in fact the less force the better (i have seen many instances where the tip of the nib has been deformed rather than worn down), the tip of the nib should be gliding across the screen not dragged
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are you sense this loose in your hand when drawing Lines or circles Quickly too?
i sense this as small "tik"(or Knock) when drawing...
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I understand your concern, but in my opinion you are a lttle like me, but in another way, I clean and reclean my screen to see if has any scratch, have not found a single one, but I keep checking 3 or 4 times a day, I think your s pen is ok