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Does your bezel flex too?

I just got a NC for christmas and am wondering if I need to return for a new one. On the left side while in portrait mode, I notice that the bezel is able to flex when I pinch the top and bottom side togeter. The right side does but not nearly as much. I can also see a little light bleeding out from the edge.
Is this common and worth my time to exchange? THanks.

Anybody have any insight?

cfi on the fly said:
I just got a NC for christmas and am wondering if I need to return for a new one. On the left side while in portrait mode, I notice that the bezel is able to flex when I pinch the top and bottom side togeter. The right side does but not nearly as much. I can also see a little light bleeding out from the edge.
Is this common and worth my time to exchange? THanks.
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Flexing is common, but light bleeding is not something I would want to live with...
I would exchange it if I were you.

I don't really see any flexing, but I do notice that the Nook does creak slightly when I'm holding the left side (portrait). So I guess there is a tiny bit of flexing on that side.

Ravynmagi said:
I don't really see any flexing, but I do notice that the Nook does creak slightly when I'm holding the left side (portrait). So I guess there is a tiny bit of flexing on that side.
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Same, supa solid, just can feel it move a bit on the upper left by power (cant tell by eye)

No flexing at all for me.... feels very solid all around... So its not ALL of them.

Mine creaks on the left side as well.

I have the exact same issues as the op. I think Im going to return it though since i can't live with the little bit of creaking.
As for the OP's inquiry, its really up to you to decide if you can live with it or not.
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Ravynmagi said:
I don't really see any flexing, but I do notice that the Nook does creak slightly when I'm holding the left side (portrait). So I guess there is a tiny bit of flexing on that side.
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Same here. I can hear the creak but not feel any flexing. And the addition of the silicon case makes any creaking inaudible, which I'm thankful for.

[q]s-pen= awful

Does anybody else find the S.pen of the SGN really bad??.. when it comes to drawing some stuff..? Any remedy for that?
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i don't draw but i do annotate quite a lot, and it feels like the calibration is a bit off. what in particular about it is your concern?

Like, the place where i point the pen and the place where it writes is not the same,the location where it writes is a little bit to the upper left( not precise)... and its also has a latency after writing...
Its not a very big problem for me just a little critic...
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crz2uf said:
Does anybody else find the S.pen of the SGN really bad??.. when it comes to drawing some stuff..? Any remedy for that?
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I've used five s-pens so far, and two of them were significantly worse than the other three. Good news is that the problem is most likely with the pen itself and not with the Note!
Try getting a different pen (e.g. there is an official Samsung holder that comes with another pen). For the offset problem, try to switch from right to left to right... several times --- sometimes that helps to make the offset more reasonable. Also experiment with the angle of the Note as you write, often that makes a difference too.
Just my two cents...

The reason why it seems a bit of is done on purpose.
You notice this when you change your writing hand in the settings.
When it's set to your right hand, the drawing is slightly left of your pen. With the left hand it's the other way around.
This is done so you can see what you are drawing/writing and your hand is not in the way.
I know it sucks, but Samsung made it this way.

jellevanb said:
The reason why it seems a bit of is done on purpose.
You notice this when you change your writing hand in the settings.
When it's set to your right hand, the drawing is slightly left of your pen. With the left hand it's the other way around.
This is done so you can see what you are drawing/writing and your hand is not in the way.
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This is true, but some pens have larger offset than the others. I think some of them have sensitive elements inside aligned better. And actually this works rather nicely if the offset is reasonable, at least for me. Takes a bit of practice, but feels quite natural after a while... if you think about it, some offset is appropriate, since there are three surfaces at different depths: the writing surface, the "displaying" surface, and the actual surface which is sensitive to the pen's movements (this one is quite deep, it's behind the screen, not in front of it)...
Try different pens before giving up

Yeah the calibration is not exact to the point. When I'm writing words normally I'm not really affected, only when it comes to drawing in slow motions, the placement is off and it's frustrating for drawing little details.
However, I managed to dig out an old stylus which came with my ancient fujitsu tablet PC and it's calibrated perfectly.

I've noticed that the angle to which I hold the s-pen to the surface makes a difference in percieved accuracy.

This app has worked for me:
https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLnZpdGFsLnRzdC5uNzAwMCJd

robot1000 said:
This app has worked for me:
https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwxLDEwMiwiY29tLnZpdGFsLnRzdC5uNzAwMCJd
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... Just note that it requires root
It will run without root, kinda, but you'll be getting something like this on the unlock:
"ERROR: IOException! No ROOT permissions?"

iamastone said:
However, I managed to dig out an old stylus which came with my ancient fujitsu tablet PC and it's calibrated perfectly.
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With the Fujitsu pen, does it have calibration issues or extra lines if you write on it upside down, like if you were lying on your back? My biggest pet peeve with this phone is that I can only use the pen if I'm sitting upright and holding the pen just so, otherwise calibration is way off and a lot of unintended lines appear.
beestee said:
I've noticed that the angle to which I hold the s-pen to the surface makes a difference in percieved accuracy.
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I've noticed this too. It's most apparent to me when I set my phone on a table, holding the pen by it's very end. Touching the screen with the point and changing the angle of the pen relative to the screen--without moving the tip of the pen;s position at all--you can see the cursor move with the angle of the pen, even though the tip stays in one place.
The best way to fix this, in my mind, is for Wacom to do on this phone what they do for a lot of their tablets--have a little dot show up on the screen when you hover your pen, so you know where you'll be drawing.

thriceberg said:
With the Fujitsu pen, does it have calibration issues or extra lines if you write on it upside down, like if you were lying on your back? My biggest pet peeve with this phone is that I can only use the pen if I'm sitting upright and holding the pen just so, otherwise calibration is way off and a lot of unintended lines appear.
I've noticed this too. It's most apparent to me when I set my phone on a table, holding the pen by it's very end. Touching the screen with the point and changing the angle of the pen relative to the screen--without moving the tip of the pen;s position at all--you can see the cursor move with the angle of the pen, even though the tip stays in one place.
The best way to fix this, in my mind, is for Wacom to do on this phone what they do for a lot of their tablets--have a little dot show up on the screen when you hover your pen, so you know where you'll be drawing.
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This is a damn good idea right here. Someone should forward this to Samsung before they roll out the ICS update.

emignatius said:
This is a damn good idea right here. Someone should forward this to Samsung before they roll out the ICS update.
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I believe this is already in ICS.
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Well you guys said it all... drawing details,drawing slowly, lots of unwanted lines appear...etc...
I see, so its most likely caused by the pen rather than the note itself... ill give the app(touchscreentune) a try..thanks.
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Will a screen protector interfere with the digitizer's pressure sensitivity?

I'm a graphic artist, so I do a whole lot of drawing and drafting. The Wacom digitizer is actually one of the main reasons I'm getting a Note 2 actually haha.
I've never used a screen protector on any of my phones, but I'd like the GN2 to be the first. The only concern I'm having is that the screen protector will interfere with the stylus' levels of pressure sensitivity while drawing and writing.
Does anyone know if this is the case?

JLG http://www.amazon.com/Just-Like-Gla...id=1354559982&sr=8-2&keywords=just+like+glass is what I use and it is the best I have ever used! No issues at all with sensitivity levels and it is actually smoother than the bare glass!

Have you noticed it affecting the pen in any way? Sensitivity to pressure?

silentecho13 said:
Have you noticed it affecting the pen in any way? Sensitivity to pressure?
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Just installed JLG as well and pen sensitivity is still as good as the stock glass.
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awesome, I'm gonna have to order one!

Just for giggles, I just tried the stylus through one of the clear cd spacers you get with a spendle of disks. Works just fine though it. I'm pretty sure as long as it's not thicker than the hover distance, a screen protector isn't going to affect the stylus.

Thanks to everyone in this thread, I had the exact same question/scenario, but couldn't find a specific enough answer.

I think the pressure sensitivity etc is all done on the s-pen end of things. If you hover the pen over the screen so the little air view circle comes up you can click the nub on the end of the pen in and it registers as a touch, and testing in s-note, line thickness varies with how hard you press the nub in. Judging by this as long as the screen protector isn't spongy or soft it should be fine.
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It won't cause problems so long as they are not too thick as to activate hover function.
(A basic overview of how it works)
The S-pen is an active digitizer. The screen actually emits a signal... the stylus has a mechanism in it that resonates with the signal. It is passive so no batteries are required in the stylus. If you notice the tip of the stylus can actually move in and out a little, this is what does the pressure sensitivity. Touching the screen causes the tip to compress a little and it actually alters how the stylus resonates the signal from the screen. More pressure means more change and the digitizer reads it.
This is also why some styluses can have a drawing and erase end. The erase end resonates differently and the digitizer can differentiate between them.
Hope that clears it up.

Note 8 and S8/S8+ Edge Light Leak/Bleed Problems

Do you guys have the issue?
Bothering the hell out of me
Second device still has this issue
Should I continue to exchange until I get a normal one?

It's OLED screen, how could that be? You could put a photo on here.

edwinpang said:
Do you guys have the issue?
Bothering the hell out of me
Second device still has this issue
Should I continue to exchange until I get a normal one?
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It's not light bleed
use search bar too
thread already here - https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-8/help/light-bleed-t3670247

It's common. Just like every issue, not everyone has it, but quite a few people do. I think that we all agreed on a few things:
1. It isn't actually light bleed by the standard definition. It is light leakage around the bottom of the screen, reflecting off of the metal of the bezel.
2. It has been around since curved screens have been around.
3. It does not affect water resistance.
4. It isn't being caused by the screen lifting. It appears to be happening because the black around the base of the screen isn't flush with the bottom. Samsung is aware of it and they don't consider it a defect. It's more of a tolerance issue.
5. Getting the screen replaced isn't a guarantee of a fix. We had at least one person on the above listed thread that had the screen replaced and ended up with the exact same issue.
6. Getting a replacement device is not a guarantee of this being fixed and instead, you might get a device with this issue and some other issue.
7. Most cases will hide the issue.
My wife and I both have Note 8s and both of them have it. I just put the phones in cases and forgot about it. Given the number of things that can go wrong with one of these things, there's just no way that I was going to try swapping it when it is likely that I would end up with another device with the same issue and/or something worse.

Because of the nature of what may appear to be a light bleed, logic dictate to me that an exchange, or screen replacement will not keep light from reflecting off the edges!

princeasi said:
Because of the nature of what may appear to be a light bleed, logic dictate to me that an exchange, or screen replacement will not keep light from reflecting off the edges!
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If the black around the inside edges of the screen goes to the very bottom of the screen all the way around, then you will not have the light leakage. The reflection happens when the black doesn't go all the way to the bottom and light reflects off of the metal. This is why some people don't have it. In those cases, there is no light leaking out the bottom of the screen that can reflect.

usmaak said:
If the black around the inside edges of the screen .
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What is this "black around the inside edges" you speak of?

Honestly, unless you getting "leakage" like this, there's no good reason to try and play the lottery. I sent it in to Samsung to get repaired. There's very little "leakage" with the new LCD panel and glass, but there's still a tiny bit, not super noticeable like before.
This is what I saw when looking directly at the screen. Yeah, it was pretty bad. You could see it during the day/lit room.

princeasi said:
What is this "black around the inside edges" you speak of?
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Look along the bottom edges of the screen. The actual image area does not go all the way to the edge of the bezel. All around, that portion of the screen is blacked out. If the black does not go right to the very edge of the screen, there's a very small area where light can escape and reflect on the bezel.

usmaak said:
Look along the bottom edges of the screen. The actual image area does not go all the way to the edge of the bezel. All around, that portion of the screen is blacked out. If the black does not go right to the very edge of the screen, there's a very small area where light can escape and reflect on the bezel.
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I'm asking what exactly is the "black" that you're speaking of? Are you speaking of the material that makes up part of the actual display? Is it the black paint on the side frame? What exactly is the "black"? Or is the "black" referring to the area where light is not reflecting?

None issue. I'd be more concerned about screen uniformity if I were a fusspot.[emoji9]
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princeasi said:
I'm asking what exactly is the "black" that you're speaking of? Are you speaking of the material that makes up part of the actual display? Is it the black paint on the side frame? What exactly is the "black"? Or is the "black" referring to the area where light is not reflecting?
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The black that I'm referring to is along the edge of the screen. It is the material that makes up the display, along the bottom edges. I don't know if it's paint or some other material.

usmaak said:
The black that I'm referring to is along the edge of the screen. It is the material that makes up the display, along the bottom edges. I don't know if it's paint or some other material.
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If what you say is true, this should be adressed by samsung. Can you point me to any credible sources substantiating what you're saying?

princeasi said:
If what you say is true, this should be adressed by samsung. Can you point me to any credible sources substantiating what you're saying?
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I remember seeing it here somewhere as well. Someone even pasted in a conversation that they had with Samsung. In the conversation, Samsung basically said that it was normal, which to them means it is within tolerance. There is a much bigger thread somewhere in here about "light bleed".
I also saw it somewhere else on the internet, but can't remember where. I stopped thinking about this issue about three days after I got my phone.

I've found a pretty simply solution to this issue. Get yourself some of the glue that's included in the Dome Glass screen protectors. I know they sell similar stuff on amazon, it's UV glue or something, I'd make sure ppl talk about using it to glue on smartphone screens. Since the stuff has a really low surface tension, it sucks itself into any tiny crevices, which include the tiny concave space between the frame and the screen. This stuff blocks the light from leaking, and it's just more glue, which they used to glue the screen on in the first place.
You can use the UV light on it to cure it, or just leave it. since it's such a small amount exposed to the air it it will dry on it's own. The thing I used to hold the glue was super stuck to something the next day and I didn't use the UV light on that, so the stuff does air dry.
I noticed this when I put on my dome glass screen protector and the part where the glue spilled over had no light leaking anymore.

I've found a pretty simply solution to this issue. Get yourself some of the glue that's included in the Dome Glass screen protectors. I know they sell similar stuff on amazon, it's UV glue or something, I'd make sure ppl talk about using it to glue on smartphone screens. dab on tiny bits of the glue, and since the stuff has a really low surface tension, it sucks itself into any tiny crevices, which include the tiny concave space between the frame and the screen. This stuff blocks the light from leaking, and it's just more glue, which they used to glue the screen on in the first place.
You can use the UV light on it to cure it, or just leave it. since it's such a small amount exposed to the air it it will dry on it's own. the thing I used to hold the glue was super stuck to something the next day and I didn't use the UV light on that, so the stuff does air dry.
I noticed this when I put on my done glass screen protector and the part where the glue leaked had no light leak anymore.

S pen nib is little loose?

I just got my note 8 yesterday, I noticed that the nib on the pen feels a little loose. Is that nature?

saidgta said:
I just got my note 8 yesterday, I noticed that the nib on the pen feels a little loose. Is that nature?
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I noticed this the other day too and think it's normal. The end is spring loaded and that's where the little movement comes from. No worries.

Misterxtc said:
I noticed this the other day too and think it's normal. The end is spring loaded and that's where the little movement comes from. No worries.
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Can you feel this Loose when you're trying Draw "S" or Circle?

saidgta said:
Can you feel this Loose when you're trying Draw "S" or Circle?
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No not unless I'm actually touching the end. Even then it only wiggles a little. It sounds as if your spring may have gotten weak. Maybe check out some others in a store if you are near one.

Misterxtc said:
No not unless I'm actually touching the end. Even then it only wiggles a little. It sounds as if your spring may have gotten weak. Maybe check out some others in a store if you are near one.
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My loose is horizontal

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My loose is horizontal
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Yup, that's no good. Mine is solid that way.

It is normal that the tip or nib has a little tolerance at the sides, so it will move freely up and down to react accurately to different pressure levels all s pens are this way

winol said:
It is normal that the tip or nib has a little tolerance at the sides, so it will move freely up and down to react accurately to different pressure levels all s pens are this way
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Please see below video, this is my S Pen.
I think this tolerance is high and nib is loose. what you think?
https://youtu.be/OW7G-m2KH_g

saidgta said:
Please see below video, this is my S Pen.
I think this tolerance is high and nib is loose. what you think?
https://youtu.be/OW7G-m2KH_g
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@winol is correct. Movement at the tip or nib as you call it is totally normal. I thought you were talking about where the plastic and metal are joined.

saidgta said:
Please see below video, this is my S Pen.
I think this tolerance is high and nib is loose. what you think?
https://youtu.be/OW7G-m2KH_g
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Rest assured, it is normal, all s pens are like yours, my s pens in note 3,4,7 and now 8 are the same way

As others have said, that is normal.
Its spring loaded to allow it to retreat into the housing, and its conical. Therefore it has to move really.
Worrying, yes. But thats the nature of the design.
Don`t worry! It`s 100%

N10AP said:
As others have said, that is normal.
Its spring loaded to allow it to retreat into the housing, and its conical. Therefore it has to move really.
Worrying, yes. But thats the nature of the design.
Don`t worry! It`s 100%
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are you sense this loose in your hand when drawing Lines or circles Quickly too?
i sense this as small "tik"(or Knock) when drawing...

ok the best way to describe it is that there should be a deflection at the tip of the nib from a loci located at the base of the nib where it is seated (i.e. the movement should be the nib deflecting from the base where it is clamped), if the nib is moving around in a manner that suggest that it is translating (i.e. the whole shaft is move in unison) than it may not be seated correctly.
also the note 8 does not need excessive force when using the pen, in fact the less force the better (i have seen many instances where the tip of the nib has been deformed rather than worn down), the tip of the nib should be gliding across the screen not dragged

saidgta said:
are you sense this loose in your hand when drawing Lines or circles Quickly too?
i sense this as small "tik"(or Knock) when drawing...
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I understand your concern, but in my opinion you are a lttle like me, but in another way, I clean and reclean my screen to see if has any scratch, have not found a single one, but I keep checking 3 or 4 times a day, I think your s pen is ok