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Interesting Read About ICS

Here is an interesting article about Ice Cream Sandwich and the OMAP processors. It appears that we may be one of the first devices to receive ICS if the source is correct. Would be nice.
http://www.androidcentral.com/notio...mpaign=Feed:+androidcentral+(Android+Central)

Hmmm...if that source is right maybe we'll be jumping from Froyo straight to ICS?
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Skipping GB and going straight to ICS would be nice, but I think LG is gonna ruin it with their crappy UI.
It should also be noted that the Nexus Prime is rumored to have a OMAP4460 in contrast to our OMAP4430. According to this, the main difference is the 4460 runs at 1.5 GHz, and supports 1080p Stereoscopic 3D and 12 MP stereo (dual cameras).

Killer Bee said:
Skipping GB and going straight to ICS would be nice, but I think LG is gonna ruin it with their crappy UI.
It should also be noted that the Nexus Prime is rumored to have a OMAP4460 in contrast to our OMAP4430. According to this, the main difference is the 4460 runs at 1.5 GHz, and supports 1080p Stereoscopic 3D and 12 MP stereo (dual cameras).
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That's where the CM team comes in. Can you say Cyanogenmod 8? ill just be happy when kernel.org comes back up so that we can possibly atleast get CM7 developed for the Thrill.
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Thats right, CM7 is already in development for the O3D. A port (if needed) probably wouldn't difficult at all.

Killer Bee said:
Thats right, CM7 is already in development for the O3D. A port (if needed) probably wouldn't difficult at all.
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I just loaded it up tonight and the only issues are the couple things that dont work for the Optimus 3D and no 4G (3.10mb down/1.08mb up avg) The camera is really the only thing thats bothering me...i love to show that feature off

[Q]Hardware-wise, will OB be able to handle ICS

I am wondering if the LG OB hardware specs will be enough to have a fluid experience running ICS. Given that this device has only 512MB of RAM and a single core 1GHz CPU, do you guys think we could have an overall good experience running ICS (e.g. no lagging)? CPU IMO seems to be the least of the concerns, but what about the RAM capacity? I've read somewhere sometime ago that Google stated that any GB capable device, would run ICS with no issues, but I've also read in a forum that 512MB is the minimum required to run it so we might be on the edge. What do you guys think?
Important: This is not a thread to discuss whether or not LG will be pushing out the ICS update or when so let's try to be focused on the topic.

I am certain the Optimus Black has adequate hardware capabilities to handle ICS.
Apart from CPU and Ram, GPU is the next criteria for ICS which demand 2D acceleration to be handle by the GPU.
It is just up to LG / Cyanogenmod community to bring it to life.

it can handle...otherwise it wouldnt get the official update!

Keep one thing in mind that :
"Any device that can run Gingerbread can also run ICS" (according to google).
Its not possible when we have useless TouchWiz like Samsung bcoz it takes alot of RAM
I actually sold my Galaxy Tab when I heard that Samsung will not be releasing ICS for Galaxy S or Tab while it was only 9 months old !
So its useless to have a device that has no future support from manufacturer.
Millions of units of Galaxy Tab & Galaxy S were sold worldwide & Samsung embarrassed millions of user by just making excuses
Plus if mid-range Sony Ericsson phones can run ICS (via official update) then why now Optimus Black?
Come on guys it has 1GHz CPU.

omr911 said:
Come on guys it has 1GHz CPU.
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Well technically the Black doesn't have 1 Ghz processor, it's just factory overclocked to reach that.
As for ICS, I wouldn't expect the official update to be out until 2013

I think the OB can handle ICS very well.
If the GT540 (my old phone) is able to run ICS (still BETA but it works) then
i see no difficulty in running ICS on the OB.

Mick2K said:
I think the OB can handle ICS very well.
If the GT540 (my old phone) is able to run ICS (still BETA but it works) then
i see no difficulty in running ICS on the OB.
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OB is certainly able to handle ICS since Nexus S is able to use 4.0 with the same specification to OB. (1GHz CPU, 512MB Ram, but more powerful GPU SGX540)

yes, Galaxy S has some full working ICS ports, also on Galaxy SL i9003, which has the same hardware as our OB, there are some devs working on ICS

Theoretically yes. But will there be a stable and usable ics rom is another question. I am pretty sure before that I would be with another newer phone already. Now let's enjoy gingerbread first.
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ICS needs 1ghz cpu & 512 mb gpu. the black has both. i don't know what will happen with the stock ics as it will have the lg bloatware & the optimus ui, but with AOSP projects and trees like cyanogenmod,i think it can not only run,but run very well on our black.
and btw, the black uses tiomap 3630 & cortex a8 combo, i think it's stock 1ghz and NOT factory overclocked. the 3610 chipset would have been overclocked 2 get 1ghz, not 3630.

My Nexus S runs ICS AOSP+ 4.0.3 + M4trix Kernel flawlessly & very smooth. I also can OB & NS have similar hardware configuration, so it must be supported! CM9 already on its way afaik

I think OB can handle it as LG stated it in their schedule of ICS upgrade for their optimus phones.

achyut said:
i think it's stock 1ghz and NOT factory overclocked. the 3610 chipset would have been overclocked 2 get 1ghz, not 3630.
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If you peek at knzo's notes while developing his Nova, it is factory overclocked which it explains why the Black is never stable when overclocked to 1.2Ghz and above. Here's another android phone using the very same processor clocked at the stock speed: Defy.
Just to be clear I'm not sourgraping but CM9 may just be our only hope for ICS (at least ICS before the end of 2012).

Since there is an ICS Beta avaiable for the GT540 (600Mhz) i think the OB will do just fine

now who went on to tell you ics requires 1ghz and 512mb... google for android developer phones and you will be surprised at the minimum spec needed for ics... these are the phones on which fw are developed and it is required that fw runs on them smoothly... the minimum reqs are so low that even 600ghz 256mb can handle it...
ps:no gpu required too

Ricardo said that every device with 512 MB ram and more will be supported by CyanogenMod
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in regard to my previous post (2 posts up) current dev phone is htc magic with only 192mb ram (unlike the 288mb that aired the market) and 528mhz arm cpu so that means ics was developed and should run on it. The galaxy nexus is the advanced dev phone and that is a totally different matter. This means that black will be more than adequate to run ICS compared to the htc magic's specs... It would be lame to asume that google is developing towards the high end users as even as we speak 1ghz is starting to become the standard on market and still it isnt if you look at the low end devices that are released out there still... There will be still some time till 1ghz/512 ram are considered the standard (not by users but by companies that is) so it is safe to assume that you will be ok for quite some time with black (and me with o3d). Hell my kid's huawei joy (aka vodafone joy845) has beta versions of ICS running and it is th lamest phone I ever layed my hands on.

nikpik said:
If you peek at knzo's notes while developing his Nova, it is factory overclocked which it explains why the Black is never stable when overclocked to 1.2Ghz and above. Here's another android phone using the very same processor clocked at the stock speed: Defy.
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from wikipedia (emphasis added):
3630-800MHz(underclocked): Motorola Bravo, Motorola Defy;[6]
3630-1000MHz(Default Speed): Nokia N9, Nokia N950, Sony Ericsson Vivaz, Motorola Milestone 2,Motorola Cliq 2, Motorola Defy+, Palm Pre 2, Droid X, Droid 2, Archos 101, Archos 70, Archos 43, Archos 32, Archos 28, LG Optimus Black, LG Optimus bright L-07C, Samsung I9003 Galaxy S(C)L, SAMSUNG GALAXY 7 TAB (P1010) Wifi Only, LG-LU3000 Optimus Mach, Panasonic P-07C, Panasonic Sweety 003P
3630-1200MHz(overclocked): Motorola Droid 2 Global
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[Q] Ice Cream Sandwich Should be available for SGA

Please don't consider it as a "another ICS blah blah... thread"
Just check this product from HTC:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire_c-4759.php
Processor: 600
Resolution: 320 x 480 pixels
So Our SGA is way better than this phone by HTC. The most interesting feature for this phone is "OS Android OS, v4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)"
On Xda, some days before I read a thread where expert developer confidently said that "Ice Cream Sandwich requires more processing frequency than that of SGA which is 800 and even it can not run on overclocking. So guys just forget about ICS on SGA."
So now what you guys wanna say?? If this HTC handset can RUN official ICS on 600 then why not our SGA??
Your clarification will help all of us!!
Regards,
Adwait

This has been said and discussed a lot of times here TBH.
regardless of whatever someone says our ACE is capable of running ICS but samsung SIMPLY REFUSE to support their older devices and so the fact of the matter is we will NOT GET OFFICIAL ICS. CM9 and AOKP is our best bet.

but can't we use the ICS of this HTC handset to port for our SGA?? CM9 is really a good option but it's modification! I mean to say stock 4.0 for SGA

That device uses cortex A8(armv7) processor,+512 mb ram.And ace has 278 user available ram+armv6 processor.Stock ICS needs 384 mb user available ram to correctly use/render API level 14 of 4.0.CM9 by galaxyics uses binary patches and kernel hacks if you see their sources.Therefore the performance boost ICS gives,is not visible because API level 14 neccessities are not met.Moreover i consider CM9 for ace just eyecandy(thats personal opinion).And I am pretty satisfied by gingerbread.Android 4 for ace would have made sense if it had 500+mb ram and 1ghz+ armv7 processor.What use is an OS if it reduces performance of your device

side_effect said:
That device uses cortex A8(armv7) processor,+512 mb ram.And ace has 278 user available ram+armv6 processor.Stock ICS needs 384 mb user available ram to correctly use/render API level 14 of 4.0.CM9 by galaxyics uses binary patches and kernel hacks if you see their sources.Therefore the performance boost ICS gives,is not visible because API level 14 neccessities are not met.Moreover i consider CM9 for ace just eyecandy(thats personal opinion).And I am pretty satisfied by gingerbread.Android 4 for ace would have made sense if it had 500+mb ram and 1ghz+ armv7 processor.What use is an OS if it reduces performance of your device
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oh gr8!! Now this reply satisfied my question!! Thanks a ton!!

side_effect said:
That device uses cortex A8(armv7) processor,+512 mb ram.And ace has 278 user available ram+armv6 processor.Stock ICS needs 384 mb user available ram to correctly use/render API level 14 of 4.0.CM9 by galaxyics uses binary patches and kernel hacks if you see their sources.Therefore the performance boost ICS gives,is not visible because API level 14 neccessities are not met.Moreover i consider CM9 for ace just eyecandy(thats personal opinion).And I am pretty satisfied by gingerbread.Android 4 for ace would have made sense if it had 500+mb ram and 1ghz+ armv7 processor.What use is an OS if it reduces performance of your device
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This....Its not just the processing power that decides the performances.armv6 is pretty extinct now,no more support.
Sent from my fingers to your face,take it or leave it.

according to samsung even galaxy s is not capable so
dont buy samsung mid range from next time thats only solution

Prawesome said:
This....Its not just the processing power that decides the performances.armv6 is pretty extinct now,no more support.
Sent from my fingers to your face,take it or leave it.
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Samsung devs and others are forget the armv6 devices they carrier into armv7. for me armv6 are same good as armv7 you right they not support the armv6 now its like a garbage.. zzz

+1 Never buy a mid and low range Samsung device. Go for Sony.
This was sent from my Galaxy Ace, but who cares?

nims11 said:
according to samsung even galaxy s is not capable so
dont buy samsung mid range from next time thats only solution
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yeah..they stated Device dont have enough ram to support tw4

side_effect said:
yeah..they stated Device dont have enough ram to support tw4
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but galaxy s already have port of s2 tw4 ics rom

Well its ol bull**** coz i have SGfit and running cm9 successfully its really smooth i use it fr daily use.....
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Thnkz to mclaw
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maxcool12345 said:
Well its ol bull**** coz i have SGfit and running cm9 successfully its really smooth i use it fr daily use.....
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camera works?
maxcool12345 said:
Thnkz to mclaw
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nims11 said:
but galaxy s already have port of s2 tw4 ics rom
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XDA rulez..!!BTW you did paranoid android?

side_effect said:
XDA rulez..!!BTW you did paranoid android?
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yep but its not good for our small screen

Aww sad..

side_effect said:
Aww sad..
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not sad if you have not problem with small layout then no problem as due to small screen in tablet mode stuff looks small so if you have problem you can choose phone ui then all stuff will be same as cm9

nims11 said:
not sad if you have not problem with small layout then no problem as due to small screen in tablet mode stuff looks small so if you have problem you can choose phone ui then all stuff will be same as cm9
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any plans to release it?may with a suitable dpi we can adjust it little bit

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any plans to release it?may with a suitable dpi we can adjust it little bit
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if all want then will realese after beta9

Not Optimized for tegra?

Why Asphalt 7 and Need For Speed Most Wanted's graphics are minimal? no blur no reflection....nothing...why? I'm reading the comments on market and averibody says that the game grate graphics but on my tegra 2 phone (optimus 2x) nothing special....these games are not optimized for tegra 2 powered devices or what?

As much as I hate to say this about our phone, the Optimus 2X among the dual cores holds one of the weakest graphics processors.
Sure, when it first came out it was a beast of a phone both in terms of CPU and GPU. However, once other brands caught up in the battle, it was quite clear that Tegra 2 was the least proficient in graphics.
Funny how you'd expect a company like Nvidia that specialises in GPU units to make the best GPUs in any area, especially smartphones. However, even Tegra 3, while still powerful in its own right, is still vastly overshadowed by the GPUs on the other quad core devices.
You probably see "Tegra optimised" because of Nvidia's marketing attempts to compensate for their weak processors. It's becoming increasingly common knowledge that in smartphones, Nvidia have been useless in upholding their reputation built from computer GPUs.

ilooze said:
Why Asphalt 7 and Need For Speed Most Wanted's graphics are minimal? no blur no reflection....nothing...why? I'm reading the comments on market and averibody says that the game grate graphics but on my tegra 2 phone (optimus 2x) nothing special....these games are not optimized for tegra 2 powered devices or what?
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NEON instruction set missing. Simple as that.

The optimus 2x has a good gpu
new cm10 nightly Nenamark 2 = 44 fps with new gpu Driver no oc and old and the prime has 47fps is not bad
and other games like death Trigger runs on tegra 3 setings fluid
and the games are not full suport the tegra gpu well

Nootubo said:
The optimus 2x has a good gpu
new cm10 nightly Nenamark 2 = 44 fps with new gpu Driver no oc and old and the prime has 47fps is not bad
and other games like death Trigger runs on tegra 3 setings fluid
and the games are not full suport the tegra gpu well
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yes that is weird why dead trigger and shadowgun can run at high details? and those other games not?

petr.klos said:
NEON instruction set missing. Simple as that.
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Oh god what an utter utter facepalm...
NEON has NOTHING to do with graphics. Lack of NEON is why our phone can't play high-profile 1080p not the reason of bad graphics.
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Nootubo said:
The optimus 2x has a good gpu
new cm10 nightly Nenamark 2 = 44 fps with new gpu Driver no oc and old and the prime has 47fps is not bad
and other games like death Trigger runs on tegra 3 setings fluid
and the games are not full suport the tegra gpu well
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what new gpu drivers are you using? do you installed chainfire?

The thing is that games are often optimized for PowerVR sgx (as ported from Iphone) and adreno and mali.
Tegra2 has minimal part is whole graphic cards so why dev has to waste time for such ****ty gpu?

kaspar737 said:
Oh god what an utter utter facepalm...
NEON has NOTHING to do with graphics. Lack of NEON is why our phone can't play high-profile 1080p not the reason of bad graphics.
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Well... well... not really.
What an utter overreaction Truth is that NEON handles AV decoding encoding and linking it to a frames. So yes, in fact it has an impact.
Overreaction cause mostly it is because in settings T2/P990 is recognized as low-end device.

petr.klos said:
Well... well... not really.
What an utter overreaction Truth is that NEON handles AV decoding encoding and linking it to a frames. So yes, in fact it has an impact.
Overreaction cause mostly it is because in settings T2/P990 is recognized as low-end device.
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Please, explain to me how something that decodes audio and video files helps in games?
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Nvidia creates one of the best lp gpu,even mali in s2 no compition for o2x gpu, but the real fact is the t2 is kicked by its own creator, to priortised t3 or next tegra version ,lg under repute its previou gen phone due to thr lame developer and nvidia support.
In return other phones+new phone roll out and here we are whinning and criticizing our gpu:thumbdown:
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is there a way to improve the graphics in asphalt7 n nfs most wanted??? has anyone tried chainfire3d??
rom-cm10

ullekh99 said:
is there a way to improve the graphics in asphalt7 n nfs most wanted??? has anyone tried chainfire3d??
rom-cm10
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I tried but it doesn't let me to install it.....in cmw i get an error and if i install the drivers normally the phone wont boot up....so make a backup first

seriousia said:
Nvidia creates one of the best lp gpu,even mali in s2 no compition for o2x gpu, but the real fact is the t2 is kicked by its own creator, to priortised t3 or next tegra version ,lg under repute its previou gen phone due to thr lame developer and nvidia support.
In return other phones+new phone roll out and here we are whinning and criticizing our gpu:thumbdown:
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No, GS2 GPU is faster. The Tegra GPUs are actually a pain in the ass to code for if nVidia doesn't offer support. Devs have to split graphics processing onto 8 or 12 cores. The situation is quite similar with PS3 CPU, where devs also have to split graphics processing onto 7 different cores.
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Gameloft doesn't make this game available on tegra 2 i mean their's no proper game files specifically for tegra 2 only unlike in adreno, mali and other gpu beside tegra they provide separate files for those gpu's so if you want to play great games on your o2x please first search on google for tegra 2 sd files of the game you want like bard's tale there is a specific file for our gpu and as expected its size is incredibly big 3gb
Our gpu is powerful if nvidia let the developers play with their codes i think users not only praise the developer but they praise for nvidia also for this creation in my own opinion
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grimmyrippy said:
Gameloft doesn't make this game available on tegra 2 i mean their's no proper game files specifically for tegra 2 only unlike in adreno, mali and other gpu beside tegra they provide separate files for those gpu's so if you want to play great games on your o2x please first search on google for tegra 2 sd files of the game you want like bard's tale there is a specific file for our gpu and as expected its size is incredibly big 3gb
Our gpu is powerful if nvidia let the developers play with their codes i think users not only praise the developer but they praise for nvidia also for this creation in my own opinion
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I agree with you, with good optimization great results can be achieved on Tegra GPUs. Its like on the PS3. When devs are money hungry they make crappy ports but when a dev invests time and money awesome games can be made (for example, Uncharted and The Last of Us)
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I"m confused by Electronic Arts.
I have an old single-core Motorola Defy + and on it that other racing game Fast5 from Gameloft runs superfluid with real-time reflections.
Now why in the hell does EA opt to choose for minimal graphics on my and other phones.
Imho it"S better to have an adjustible slider to have settings from low to max graphics on the new need for Speed on Android.
The same with Riptide by Vektor Unit.
Let people choose for themselfs dammit.

hey guys!
Did you tried out "Dead Trigger" from the Tegrazone website?
Just instal it (free!), go to options and put graphic quality to max and BE AMAZED!

why from tegrazone website.. u can download it from play store for free...
btw sorry for offtopic but does tegrazone app work for u'll...it used to work for me wen i bought my phone... but has not been working since almost a yr..says no network?? had forgotten about it but now remembered coz of mention of tegrazone website

cheveux_ said:
hey guys!
Did you tried out "Dead Trigger" from the Tegrazone website?
Just instal it (free!), go to options and put graphic quality to max and BE AMAZED!
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yes! that is why I am angry about this phone.....dead trigger and shadowgun have quality settings....and the o2x can handle it...so the developers of EA or GLU or Gameloft why they dont make games look excelent on our phone?

New source codes for Tegra2 from Nvidia

Check here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIzNjE

good to read i know someday nvidia will join on aosp because thats android but they only provide for graphics open-source or this is the source that we wait for 2 years to have a better cpu and gpu, i really have no idea what the right codes that needed to take our soc to rise again
need to wait for the right and accurate answer
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is there any use for this?

Doubt these are useful at this stage. We have what we need for CM10 and this won't do anything to address the lack of Neon support for CM10.1.
Much of what powers ICS/Cm10 is based on proprietary libs for the star mobo anyways - this was cleared up many times when some people thought that sources for a different Tegra 2 phone could be used to build CM9/CM10 for the O2X.

They were late, as usual...

and what abt ubuntu?
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