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first 25% of battery drops fast?

Ok so this is what i noticed has been happening with my phone...
I wake up in the morning and i unplug my phone from charger at 100% battery life...
after about 1-2 hours of no use (outside of occasional check of time) and no programs running i notice that 25% of life has diminished...
i have turned 3g off and done most of the kaiser tweak settings that help with battery life. for the rest of teh day i can use the phone and battery life runs normally but it seems the first 25 to 30% drops real fast without use
is everyone experiencing this? is it normal?
KP

The problem lies in your first sentence. "I wake up in the morning and unplug my battery." You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life. I only charge my phone in the day while I'm at work. That way I can unhook it when it's fully charge. I would go on ebay and type in OEM battery Kaiser. You can pick one up for 15-30 dollars new.

From what I understand. Leaving your battery in the charger when it is fully charged should not damage the battery as long as its not there for an excessive amount of time but i might be wrong. Either way i have no way of charging the phone during the day as im on the go most of the time so this would mean even if i get a new battery it wont matter because it wile eventually do the same as i have only used this phone for about 3 or 4 months now. any other possibilities or solutions?
or should i just take it as it is and just buy a new battery maybe a bigger seido?

I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.

netboy said:
I thought Lithium ion batteries have overcharge protection. I charge mine overnight which I am sure a lot of others do also with no negative effects.
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I do... Maybe I shouldn't?

I would hope it has Overcharge Protection!!!
With NiCad Batteries if you overcharged them you would kill the life of the batteries.
And while all batteries do this LiIon are least tolerant. If you overcharge a LiIon battery, that is without Overcharge protection, the LiIon Battery with BURST INTO FLAMES! Thus the problem with the Sony Batteries that caused all those Laptop battery recalls.

gqstatus0685 said:
You are charging your battery too much thus killing it's battery life.
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Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.

I have the exact same "problem" with my Tytn II.
Is slows down evenly though. (So the first 5 % of battery vanishes in minutes basically while the last 5 % can last for an hour, when it's half full % will last somehwere in between these two extremes).
Personally I've just interpreted this as poor measuring done by the hardware and/or software. (Ie I don't think the battery performs better the less full it gets as the meter in Windows would have me think)

kilrah said:
Thats total BS with lithium batteries.
To the OP: Try running down your battery completely once, until the phone switches off by itself, then recharge fully. If you never do it and always recharge before the battery is empty the battery's power meter can lose its calibration over time and display weird things.
If it doesn't help, and you can notice a drop in overall life time you might need a new battery.[/QUOTE
thanks ill try it out as soon as i get a chance...
kp
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may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol

duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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Hmm...I don't see how turning my phone off to charge would increase the charging rate dramatically. My phone in standby mode uses 1% every 2 hours.

depends highly on roms and especially on radios.
with a crappy rom, battery could drop as fast as 10% per hour.
with a decent rom, battery drops in standby mode at a rate about 2% per hour.

duke0102 said:
may seem a daft point but after draining the battery, dont charge with the phone turned back on. gives a fuller charge cos its not being used and makes it quicker to charge, lol
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If the phone is on but on standby that barely changes a thing. If it's on, with display illuminated then yes it might take you an extra 20 minutes to charge.. no big deal either.

*UPDATE*
ok so i drained my battery last night completely(turned on navizon, tt7, and skyfire) which took me about at most 2 hours.
Put it in for a charge
woke up at 9 and checked to see and it was 100%
I have push mail set to update every hour and i also run pocket sportscenter autoupdates which updates every 10 to 15 minutes
I used the phone for 5 minutes of calls
5 minutes of web surfing
a few text messages
and the occasional time check
at 6:30 pm battery life was at an amazing 90%
i was thrilled.
i continued to surf the web heavily from 730 to 8
a few more text messages
at 9 battery was at 67%
so i gotta believe that draining the battery helped recalibrate it...
i guess every 2 or 3 months i got to drain it out and give a full charge
thanks for the help guys
really appreciate it

Charging the battery with phone off makes it last longer?

Havent you noticed that when you charge the phone powered off it takes like 40 % more time for the batetry to charge but it also makes the battery last longer? is there any truth in this or im just crazy?

Chad_Petree said:
Havent you noticed that when you charge the phone powered off it takes like 40 % more time for the batetry to charge but it also makes the battery last longer? is there any truth in this or im just crazy?
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This is a very well know issue related to battery calibration. Take a look at the many calibration threads to learn about bump charging.
Basically, it takes longer with the phone off (or when you pull and put back the battery while charging) because in some cases android was stopping the charge before a full charge.
Try this
Charge your phone to 100% (inside android)
Turn you phone off
Reboot
Pull the battery before it boots
Wait for the ?
Put the battery back in and notice the %
If it says 60%, then you had 40% of your battery not being charge.
If you leave it in that spot and wait for it to go to 100%, your battery will be better calibrated.
Sent from my Milstone running CM7

Caz666 said:
This is a very well know issue related to battery calibration. Take a look at the many calibration threads to learn about bump charging.
Basically, it takes longer with the phone off (or when you pull and put back the battery while charging) because in some cases android was stopping the charge before a full charge.
Try this
Charge your phone to 100% (inside android)
Turn you phone off
Reboot
Pull the battery before it boots
Wait for the ?
Put the battery back in and notice the %
If it says 60%, then you had 40% of your battery not being charge.
If you leave it in that spot and wait for it to go to 100%, your battery will be better calibrated.
Sent from my Milstone running CM7
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and this hasnt been fixed even with gingerbread? yeah i have gotten the message saying it has 60 % :/

I pay no attention to the battery meter anymore. I've found that it just reads low. It's not that it doesn't get a fully charge, the phone can't read the level correctly. I tried draining the battery once by playing an episode of Top Gear with the screen on full brightness. The phone said the battery was at 5% but the video kept playing for another 1.5 hours.

baoli said:
I pay no attention to the battery meter anymore. I've found that it just reads low. It's not that it doesn't get a fully charge, the phone can't read the level correctly. I tried draining the battery once by playing an episode of Top Gear with the screen on full brightness. The phone said the battery was at 5% but the video kept playing for another 1.5 hours.
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noup , when my batetry says low , it dies pretty quickly

Go with mV.
4200mV=100%
3200mV=0%
Battery monitor widget kicks ass

zeppelinrox said:
Go with mV.
4200mV=100%
3200mV=0%
Battery monitor widget kicks ass
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mV?

Chad_Petree said:
mV?
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millivolt. there are other ways to read out this value... I'm using osmonitor, since it's installed anyways

[Q]Battery indicator showing wrong?

The last couple of days I've got a weird problem. When my battery is fully charged everything seems okay and it drains in normal speed (compared to stock).
But when my phone runs out off battery and i start to charge in the beginning everything seems fine.
But suddenly it can go from 75 to 100% in 1 minute.When i look at the stats in MIUI ROM it seems like it's not at same height as it was the last day of 100%. Maybe only 80%.
Sorry for my bad English, but i hope it makes sense.
I've wiped battery stats in CWM. But is it possible that the phone actually is only 80% charged, even though the indicator shows 100% after wipe?
Because if the ROM think the battery is charged and wipe stats it will afterwards only charge to that point and the battery maximum will decrease over days?
If that's possible, how do i full charge the battery? Just leave it in the charger or?
I hope you can understand what I mean.
Thanks in advance

Hello
Does your phone charge to fx 75% and after that doesnt get higher until after you restart the phone?
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CescMusta said:
Hello
Does your phone charge to fx 75% and after that doesnt get higher until after you restart the phone?
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Yes excactly. But the numbers differs.
Today it charged to 100% though.
Got the same problem?
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have you try calibrate your batt again
yes my friend have this problem too, maybe there is software bug

After flashing Celebration HD 2.0.1b I first used Battery Calibration from market to wipe battery stats. Afterwards the battery indicator problems started.
Yesterday i decided to wipe battery stats manually in CWM and drain to phone to 2% before charging, and afterwards I was able to fully charge the phone.
So maybe the bug in is Battery Calibration app?
I decided to install Juice Plotter to monitor the battery and compare it to one build in in MIUI. Just to get some more data.

Hello again
Yes i had the same problem as you, with my previosly 2 lg optimus 2x, and returned them because of the problem you mentioned. I am on the third op2x and luckily this work good
So if i were in your position i would try to go to the dealer and shift the phone with another lg optimus 2x.
Best regards
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CescMusta said:
So if i were in your position i would try to go to the dealer and shift the phone with another lg optimus 2x.
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The user said that he started to have problem after a new rom and wiping battery stats, changing phone for that is not the smartest move at all. Is like changing phone because your rom doesn't work.
I have a similar problem, after you wipe battery stats you don't have a reliable indicator, for me the phone took 3 hours to get from 99 to 100%.
I also noticed that my miui ( 1.8.5 same for 1.7.29) doesn't update battery stats when the screen is off so all those plotter don't work, and i think this messes up with the battery indicator (I guess the phone doesn't have enough data to make a decent estimate)
I think is miui + wipe battery stats that can be problematic

I know that but i am just saying that i also had the same problem with the stock rom.
Best regards
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How old is the battery? How many cycles does it have?
I know from laptop Li-Ion batteries that the voltage vs. capacity is not linear.
When discharging, the voltage will steadily drop to a "wear-level" where it will jump to an almost depleted level. When charging, this "wear-level" will be at the top.
Why I am telling this? Because if this mapping is kept in SW and you wiped it, Android needs to relearn it again. So at 1st complete charging/discharging you would see a % sudden drop/raise, but at the next cycles it would be linear with time (although the total time will be smaller than a new battery).
When laptop/phone battery tips talk about calibration, it is so whoever monitors the voltage (circuit in battery or SW) to know were the wear drop will be, so your estimates to be better.
As an example, I had a very old Thinkpad that did not have any calibration, and it would discharge to about 40% and drop to 5% within seconds. But when charging, it would raise steadily to 70% (from that 5%) but 70% to 95% in seconds. After years of use, that percentage gap would just increase (40-5 got 60-5, 70-5 on discharging).
PS: my current Thinkpad has 4 years and the battery capacity is 49% with 150 cycles. But this one has a nice feature where if the battery was above a certain percentage, plugging AC would not charge it (and thus save a few cycles). I used it set at 70%.
PS: LiIon batteries have cycle count, heat and time as main enemies. Also don't like prolonged (think storage) low charge.

battery on wallcharger screen of error
CenaDK said:
The last couple of days I've got a weird problem. When my battery is fully charged everything seems okay and it drains in normal speed (compared to stock).
But when my phone runs out off battery and i start to charge in the beginning everything seems fine.
But suddenly it can go from 75 to 100% in 1 minute.When i look at the stats in MIUI ROM it seems like it's not at same height as it was the last day of 100%. Maybe only 80%.
Sorry for my bad English, but i hope it makes sense.
I've wiped battery stats in CWM. But is it possible that the phone actually is only 80% charged, even though the indicator shows 100% after wipe?
Because if the ROM think the battery is charged and wipe stats it will afterwards only charge to that point and the battery maximum will decrease over days?
If that's possible, how do i full charge the battery? Just leave it in the charger or?
I hope you can understand what I mean.
Thanks in advance
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I have when i turn off my fhone and i charge it it shows a battery icon whit an error in it ics lgp990 please help i dont no what tho do

battery drops to 10, then goes UP while discharging

using any mod, (cm9, darky, slim...) the situation is the same:
My battery would be on about 95% when I take it off charging overnight. But after some minutes it is around 85% or 80%.
battery usage is ok usually, drops a lot if I use it a lot with full brightness, etc, all ok.
But the issue is that sometimes the phone turns itself off. when I turn it on, it says anything from 10% to 1% battery left.... and then it INCREASES slowly. For example, if it happens and I see 5%, in a few moments it says 6%, then 7%, etc, and might go up until 40% or more.
I do not know what the issue is and have not find any indication of this problem anywhere.
thanks.

thenessus said:
using any mod, (cm9, darky, slim...) the situation is the same:
My battery would be on about 95% when I take it off charging overnight. But after some minutes it is around 85% or 80%.
battery usage is ok usually, drops a lot if I use it a lot with full brightness, etc, all ok.
But the issue is that sometimes the phone turns itself off. when I turn it on, it says anything from 10% to 1% battery left.... and then it INCREASES slowly. For example, if it happens and I see 5%, in a few moments it says 6%, then 7%, etc, and might go up until 40% or more.
I do not know what the issue is and have not find any indication of this problem anywhere.
thanks.
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all the rom's you flash you used the same kernel?

nahum05 said:
all the rom's you flash you used the same kernel?
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No. Devil, Semaphore, and others.
By the way, another issue: if it's in the low % stage, say 5%, and I drain it hard to 1%, it turns off. but even after reboot it still keeps going up.
That means the juice is not empty, because an empty battery would make the boot itself fail.

How old is your battery?

0980 otalaran
slaphead20 said:
How old is your battery?
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I have the phone (and battery) for 1.5y.

thenessus said:
I have the phone (and battery) for 1.5y.
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try cleaning battery terminals and phone terminals, and if you have dropped your phone a lot try putting a thin bit of card at the base of the battery when you insert it just in case it's loose/bad connection

thenessus said:
using any mod, (cm9, darky, slim...) the situation is the same:
My battery would be on about 95% when I take it off charging overnight. But after some minutes it is around 85% or 80%.
battery usage is ok usually, drops a lot if I use it a lot with full brightness, etc, all ok.
But the issue is that sometimes the phone turns itself off. when I turn it on, it says anything from 10% to 1% battery left.... and then it INCREASES slowly. For example, if it happens and I see 5%, in a few moments it says 6%, then 7%, etc, and might go up until 40% or more.
I do not know what the issue is and have not find any indication of this problem anywhere.
thanks.
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Don't keep more background processes.....use slim ics with seamaphore kernel...it has best battery backup....
use apps like advance task manager and try to keep ram clear all the time.....

slaphead20 said:
try cleaning battery terminals and phone terminals, and if you have dropped your phone a lot try putting a thin bit of card at the base of the battery when you insert it just in case it's loose/bad connection
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I shall do that. thanks. I will report back in a week or so.
iaditya999 said:
Don't keep more background processes.....use slim ics with seamaphore kernel...it has best battery backup....
use apps like advance task manager and try to keep ram clear all the time.....
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Good idea. But I don't keep any apps open almost at all, my ram is usually all clear with more than 100mb free. I mean, my phone is usually app-less. as I said, battery level is maintained very well except that it starts at 80-85% and sometimes drops to 10% after shutting down for no reason and then climbs slowly, as if to the level it was before shutting down.

slaphead20 said:
try cleaning battery terminals and phone terminals, and if you have dropped your phone a lot try putting a thin bit of card at the base of the battery when you insert it just in case it's loose/bad connection
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This seems to solve the sudden death and rebooting with 10% battery issue.
However, how do I solve the issue of starting the day with 85%-90% battery? it won't charge beyond that. Calibration never helped. (calibration requiers draining and then waiting to 100%... but I can't reach 100%, maybe that's why it doesn't help?)
battery health registers as "good"...

problem with battery please help

Hey guys
I have problem with battery
Now my battery 40% when left note sleep up to 3h i back i see battery 41%
I saw it with custom roms and stock i tried all kernels
And problems sometimes appear and sometimes no i tried wipe battery and
No diffrent
I want to destroy this problem for ever
Thanks alot.

No One Know How i can fix it ?

I don't think it's a bug.
I'm pretty sure it's just the way it estimates your battery percentage.
Here's how I think it works.
If you've been using your phone for, say, 3 hours straight, your phone calculates your drain rate like batt%/min or something.
And judging by how long you've used it for, it will estimate the approximate percentage of battery remaining.
When it's on deep sleep for a while, not only is the clock rate different (probably <200mHz at deep sleep), but the drain rate will change too.
The phone will re-estimate the battery percentage according to that new rate, hence the different (often higher) battery percentage, after a period of inactivity.
I could be completely wrong, but that's how I see it.

Thanks for ur Idea Brother

Any one have other Idea ?

I didnt get your problem....
Is your battery draining fast???you mean to say this???
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shivg86 said:
I didnt get your problem....
Is your battery draining fast???you mean to say this???
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Hmmm i mean My Battery sometimes up 1% with itself

Charge your battery overnight n Wipe your battery stats in recovery.
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little-vince said:
I don't think it's a bug.
I'm pretty sure it's just the way it estimates your battery percentage.
Here's how I think it works.
If you've been using your phone for, say, 3 hours straight, your phone calculates your drain rate like batt%/min or something.
And judging by how long you've used it for, it will estimate the approximate percentage of battery remaining.
When it's on deep sleep for a while, not only is the clock rate different (probably <200mHz at deep sleep), but the drain rate will change too.
The phone will re-estimate the battery percentage according to that new rate, hence the different (often higher) battery percentage, after a period of inactivity.
I could be completely wrong, but that's how I see it.
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This might right ... I event experienced ..battery almost empty ..after restart the phone ..1 bar become 2 bars on battery indication ..

Portgas-D-Asce said:
Hmmm i mean My Battery sometimes up 1% with itself
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If Battery drain is your problem, try this-
Discharge your battery till it switch off automatically
Now connect your charger in switch off mode and charge it till the full.
Now after recharging it fully, unplug your charger from the socket.
Go to recovery mode and go to advance,wipe battery stats and restart your device.
HIT THANKS BUTTON,AS IT IS MANDATORY.

shivg86 said:
If Battery drain is your problem, try this-
Discharge your battery till it switch off automatically
Now connect your charger in switch off mode and charge it till the full.
Now after recharging it fully, unplug your charger from the socket.
Go to recovery mode and go to advance,wipe battery stats and restart your device.
HIT THANKS BUTTON,AS IT IS MANDATORY.
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Brother my Battery Not Drain its Incrase 1% with itself on deep sleep