Galaxy Note N7000 16gb or Iphone 4S 64gb??? - Galaxy Note GT-N7000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

hello everyone. .
my dad has been using an iphone 4 32gb right from it's month of launch till date and finally he is getting a new phone.actually he is getting the phone of his choice for free as a gift and i wanted to know whether you guys think it's wiser to get the iPhone 4s 64gb since it's much more expensive at around 4100 Qatar riyals($1125) compared to the note 16gb which sells for 3000 Qatar riyals($823)at virgin and vodaphone stores..he has been using ios for over 2years now and he can still sell the 4s if he doesn't like it and get a better phone later..plus iPhone's don't come defective straight out of the box like the note..if i could trust Samsung's quality then i would never even consider the iphone!!! i really don't want dad to be in the same dilemma that i am currently in!!!
me and my mom both have note 16gb...mom purchased hers from india for 31000 rupees($600) at the month of launch and she also got a nokia touchscreen phone worth 4500 rupees($90) for free from the eBay promotion that was going on at the time.btw this is a brand new in sealed box phone and the cheap price is because Samsung prices its phones reasonably in India right from lauch and my dad purchased mine from doha at virgin mobile store for 3000 Qatar riyal ($823) and sent it over to me in India.. btw he got the money back for it though since it was also a gift from some company
my moms phone is manufactured in Korea and it does not have any problems except for the banding and clipping..on the other hand my phone is manufactured in Vietnam and right from opening the box i noticed many problems with
1)there is a very faint pink spot in the middle of the screen only visible in low brightness with a grey or white background..after i noticed it once it drives me mad while browsing or reading e-books
2)while using the S-pen it registers the touch when bringing it close to the screen..i don't have to touch the screen.when it's brought close even at 3cm it registers the touch.. the weird thing is that it occurs only when using the phone in specific positions like while lying on the bed or using the phone inverted
3)the battery life on my device sucks!!!! my mom gets over 1day of light usage on her device..but she makes around 4-5 hours of voice calls!! i always use my device heavily but 4-5 hours of backup its unacceptable!!!!
when i took the device to a local service center in India they said that i would have to pay money to get it fixed since its out of country purchase!!! WTF IT'S A FRIGGIN' $800 DEVICE AND ITS DEFECTIVE ON ARRIVAL AND SAMSUNG REFUSES TO PROVIDE SUPPORT!!!!
anyway I'm suffering for trusting Samsung and purchasing its device and I'm paying the price for putting my trust and money on a company with no quality control who sells defective devices
i was using an iPhone 4 32gb myself and i got it around the time of launch along with my dads phone and to be frank i haven't faced a single hardware problem till date and now i regret selling it off when i got the news that i was getting a note
i don't want my dad to be in the same situation that i am currently in and i think he should go for the 4s 64gb
what do you guys think???
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buy him a 4s as he's not used to the big screen of the note...iphone 4s is perfect as long as u havent started using the note...
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But Iphone 4s too has problems.....A friend of mine is waiting for a replacement for the 4th time for his iphone 4s.Its just 1 week old.Its not at all holding the charge.It charges for almost 12 hours to reach 100% and drains to swith off state in just 20 mins....Its unbelievable but its true.All the four mobiles had the same problem.So be careful if you are going to 4s

"the iphone doesnt come defective out of the box" ask my wife on her 4th ip4s lol. You and your ******* family need iphones. Theres a reason my technically challenge relatives have iphones and blackberries.
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After you've bought iPhone you can still have chance to buy other phone. After buying SGN you won't even think about any other devices

Galaxy note anyday
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why do you even bother asking such a question in a galaxy note forum,people posting here are definitely 'note' biased if not fan boys. ... (including me )
maybe you have already decided to get a note and you simple seek validation....

Did you actually type all that from a Note? (your signature says so~)
Then show that to your dad on a desktop or a laptop, then he himself would buy a Note.

itsrijo said:
why do you even bother asking such a question in a galaxy note forum,people posting here are definitely 'note' biased if not fan boys. ... (including me )
maybe you have already decided to get a note and you simple seek validation....
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i would ask him to get a note in a heartbeat if i am certain that he would get a device without any problems.. i just think with Samsung it is like a lottery.!!! if you are lucky you might end up with a device without issues otherwise you are screwed!! !!
i personally haven't faced any issues with my iPhone 4 and i used to have an HTC HD2(got wrecked inside a washing machine along with my track pants) and a Nokia N8 which didn't have any problems either...I've dropped my n8 a dozen times!! !! it used to be insured and i normally used it as a rough use phone but still it never had any problems other than slight dents even after i put it through so much
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Definitely the Note.
- "old peoples" have "bad" eyesight and 5,3" will help much compared to 3,5".
- Note with S-Pen do a huge different.
- Both u and u mom already having the Notes and why not u dad too?
- See what u dad usually do with a cellphone and get the one that suits his needs.
Loan u Note to u dad, let him use it for few days and see what he got to say. Then get the one he is most satisfied with.

Best thing .. steal your dads phone and give him urs for 2 days, then give him back his iPhone..
You will see him immediatly asking for a Note as th gift

Note for sure.
So iphone too has problems. Alteast note has bigger screen and most important thing, its android
Android = from the people to the people by the people for the people.
ios = From apple to people.

Coolkriss said:
Best thing .. steal your dads phone and give him urs for 2 days, then give him back his iPhone..
You will see him immediatly asking for a Note as th gift
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lol that was hilarious...now let me be frank with you guys the whole reason i started this thread is because i personally am in love with the noteand i just wanted confirmation from people who have purchased it recently to tell me that the new production units are free from any sort of defects so that my dad can get 1..i can forgive Samsung once and i might just have been unlucky to get a one of a kind defective device which sneaked past quality control but even after soo many posts and more than 200 views not even 1 person has told me that Samsung now ships defect free units which makes me skeptical
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I cant understand how people use 3.5" screens still !
HTC one X could also be a choice if Note is not at home ....

Used to own IP4 and IP4s and sold them even when jailbroke there not much you can do to it. Only gay theming and little tweaks other than that if you buy one Apple owns you they are so cheap to do hardware upgrades which they should have done after Iphone4. Note is way better than any iphone releases I will even pick S2 than iphone4 or 4s. Only reason I kept my iphone before is because of my free apps but the way I see it now Market is improving and seeing more apps and games available for download.
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jai147 said:
...iphone 4s is perfect as long as u havent started using the note...
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perfectly put...i like that
johnvarghese333 said:
lol that was hilarious...now let me be frank with you guys the whole reason i started this thread is because i personally am in love with the noteand i just wanted confirmation from people who have purchased it recently to tell me that the new production units are free from any sort of defects so that my dad can get 1..i can forgive Samsung once and i might just have been unlucky to get a one of a kind defective device which sneaked past quality control but even after soo many posts and more than 200 views not even 1 person has told me that Samsung now ships defect free units which makes me skeptical
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i got a defective note and had to change its PCB (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1552579)

johnvarghese333 said:
i would ask him to get a note in a heartbeat if i am certain that he would get a device without any problems.. i just think with Samsung it is like a lottery.!!! if you are lucky you might end up with a device without issues otherwise you are screwed!! !!
a Nokia N8 which didn't have any problems either...I've dropped my n8 a dozen times!! !! it used to be insured and i normally used it as a rough use phone but still it never had any problems other than slight dents even after i put it through so much
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now now. my dad runs a few mobile phone shops in malaysia and i have used almost any mobile phone that was available in malaysia. to say that samsung is like a lottery doesnt sound right. honestly, buying every phone is like a lottery. we had customers who bought their phones for less than a week and come back with problems after problems after problems and you just cant help but feel sorry for them. when iphone 4s was first launched, my dad sold 2 straight to one of his friend. 2 weeks later, both screens werent working at all. some complained that the battery life was worse than 3gs some had no problems.
saying N8 is a tough phone hmm. i have dropped my iphone 3gs many times and no problem with mine either. one of the lucky customers accidentally dump his phone while holding in his hands onto his car and the whole screen was gone.
so far, i havent heard of any note with problems from customers. my dad is using note since the first batch and i just got mine yesterday. so far so good with no problem for mine and his. maybe yours was just one of the lucky ones? my dad is samsungs priority dealer so we get to have all the samsung mobile phones first hand and that means we sell the first batch too.
IMO, get what you think is best for him. let him try yours and see if he likes android or iOS. What we think is good may not be good for him. consider this, will he be able to port from iOS to android? does he just want a simple phone to just make calls and text just like the way he used to? or he wants something more.
i would go for note anyday too.

stability and usability: iphone 4s
functionality: note

alphonso89 said:
to say that samsung is like a lottery doesnt sound right.
saying N8 is a tough phone hmm.
so far, i havent heard of any note with problems from customers. my dad is using note since the first batch and i just got mine yesterday. so far so good with no problem for mine and his. maybe yours was just one of the lucky ones?
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I did a little digging around the forum(mainly because I'm bored and jobless till college starts again in July)and I found out that many people have faced similar issues with the s-pen and the display!!!
I've even noticed a huge thread about display issues with the note!! !
So its not just me who is facing problems with this device!!
BTW Nokia n8 was the MOST DURABLE SMARTPHONE that I have EVER used!!!
It has fallen from heights ranging from 3-5ft many times,plummeted down stairs and still lived to tell the tale another day
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Please just buy the iphone. Or maybe try wp7.
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Wanna buy but afraid

The N7 isnt being sold in my country, so some friends will be visiting the USA this month and i want them to buy me one. The thing is, after reading about some of the problems the device has, and people returning it 3-4-5 times, im afraid im gonna get a defective device and then im screwed cuz i wont have any store to go and replace it.
My Nexus7 has no problems at all and I love it. Its well worth the price I paid for the 16GB.
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I'm from India and I'm also afraid about product quality. Here getting 8GB model for $250. I want to know, is nexus 7 supports USB on the go feature so that I can use pen drive for external storage? and what are cons you guys faced with your nexus 7 yet?
Guys, don't step out in the road, you have more chance of getting hit by a bus than you have of getting a bad N7!
The N7 works with all kinds of external storage but you need to root it first, there's good instructions on what to do on these forums when you need them.
/edit, just had a thought, those might not be very good odds in India
As someone who has received three units with screen lifting, I wouldn't caution you as strongly as you might expect me to.
That's the only really common defect, and in most cases it is not severe enough to affect usage. The last two I received have been minor cases of separation. The reason I won't accept this flaw is because of the possibility that it will worsen over time, but keep in mind that this is speculative.
My experience with the device has been overwhelmingly positive aside from this, and if the Nexus 7 is right for you then it may be worth purchasing even if you do get one with the kind of separation I've been dealing with. Although the warranty friendly fixes have been found to be temporary, if it bothers you that much then good old fashioned super glue will do the trick. Many who have gone through multiple returns have decided that they like the tablet enough to dispense with this RMA business and jimmy it down themselves.
Don't let anyone tell you that screen lifting is a rare thing, but it's not the end of the world. This is a great device even with the fault.
You can get your friend to check it for you and if its bad return it on the spot.
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Troute said:
Guys, don't step out in the road, you have more chance of getting hit by a bus than you have of getting a bad N7!
The N7 works with all kinds of external storage but you need to root it first, there's good instructions on what to do on these forums when you need them.
/edit, just had a thought, those might not be very good odds in India
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I'm new in this forum and know nothing about rooting, but I would love to root my nexus 7 if someone give me link to proper instructions.
And yea the price for 8GB Nexus 7 is best anyone can get in India right now. On ebay india it costs approx 320$ for 8GB N7.
So buying N7 8GB for 8GB is a great deal for me.
Is there any chance that by now there is an already free defects batch rolling out?
I remember when the HTC Sensation came out it had also multiple issues. I bought mine about 5 months later and had no issues at all. I cant do it here because either i buy it this month or i wont buy it at all
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@Dr. Sheldon take a look at the android development sub-section in the Nexus 7 forum. There are several methods of rooting the device, most of them requires little interactions with the device.
Also, the ones who have had defects are among the thousands who haven't encountered any problems, so your odds should be pretty good. Best luck to you mate.
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mazinya said:
The N7 isnt being sold in my country, so some friends will be visiting the USA this month and i want them to buy me one. The thing is, after reading about some of the problems the device has, and people returning it 3-4-5 times, im afraid im gonna get a defective device and then im screwed cuz i wont have any store to go and replace it.
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Don't be afraid, that's what Apple want to to feel. That's where this whole myth of Nexus7 problems originate from...
The vast majority of Nexus7's are fine. You only hear about the ones with problems.. (or claimed problems. I suspect only 10% of those are genuine, the other 90% Apple viral marketing at work).
People here are saying there's a small amount of defective n7s but I'm on my third one. First 2 had dead pixels, and my current one has screen lift. Guess I have extremely bad luck
I got mine overseas and notice screen flickering and screen tear the first day.
I also cannot return it.
But I pop it open (easy enough) and tighten the screw, it seems to fix the screen tear.
Only notice the tear once yesterday after a whole week. And people on forum already has solution for flickering.
So I cannot settle if it is hardware or software related.
I think for the price of half an iPad, it is lighter and smaller.
So I can definitely deal with the small imperfection.
So go ahead and get it.
mazinya said:
The N7 isnt being sold in my country, so some friends will be visiting the USA this month and i want them to buy me one. The thing is, after reading about some of the problems the device has, and people returning it 3-4-5 times, im afraid im gonna get a defective device and then im screwed cuz i wont have any store to go and replace it.
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The very vocal minority here may have problems, but the majority (the 99% lol) have no issues. If there was a global issue, I'm sure you'd hear about it on NBC/Fox/CrApple News/etc. I have my Nexus, no issues and I love the thing. Great device and no regrets!
Dr. Sheldon Cooper said:
I'm new in this forum and know nothing about rooting, but I would love to root my nexus 7 if someone give me link to proper instructions.
And yea the price for 8GB Nexus 7 is best anyone can get in India right now. On ebay india it costs approx 320$ for 8GB N7.
So buying N7 8GB for 8GB is a great deal for me.
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Dr. Sheldon Cooper said:
I'm from India and I'm also afraid about product quality. Here getting 8GB model for $250. I want to know, is nexus 7 supports USB on the go feature so that I can use pen drive for external storage? and what are cons you guys faced with your nexus 7 yet?
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Hi Dr. Sheldon
I have hours worth of videos on the Nexus 7. Showing OTG functionality(mouse/keyboard, remotes, usb hubs, controllers, camera connection and control), how to root, comparison, NFC in action, streaming your desktop screen, and more. My youtube channel is down below in the signature. But these are my perspective. There are allot of great videos others are publishing showing all the good and bad from different viewpoint. As a developer and hobby android developer, this is a great device. This is a great forum and community that will really unlock allot of potential in the Nexus 7, the most interesting sub-forum in my opinion is the Nexus 7 Developer.
For rooting Nexus 7, this is a very comprehensive video that was put together: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrZaU5i2x4w&hd=1
Best Regards
Dr. Sheldon Cooper said:
I'm new in this forum and know nothing about rooting, but I would love to root my nexus 7 if someone give me link to proper instructions.
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You need to do some reading in the forums. All of the questions you have posed have been covered many times in other threads.
There are whole threads on Rooting, OTG, Shipping, Problems etc...
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mazinya said:
Is there any chance that by now there is an already free defects batch rolling out?
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There is no such thing. There will always be a number of defective devices for various reasons when things are mass produced. The number of issues you are seeing in the forum is skewed as most people who have no issues, rarely use forums or post about their experiences.
I've now touched and used 5 brand new 16gb Nexus 7's out of the box and they were all fine. The first was in the first initial pre-launch batches with the latest being 3 days ago. I know that others have had issues but that is the experience that I've been seeing.
I got my 2nd one today and it has screen lift and burn in.
I'm getting a refund.
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I'm from india as well and wanted to buy one for myself...but decided against it. N7 is cheap hardware & build quality is poor...I might buy Microsoft Surface instead...might want to check it out...
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Just bought it like 20 min ago and i love it
I just got mine today and I love it. I have zero issues. I live in Canada though
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How capable is a Nexus One?

My dad has never had a smartphone and he kinda wants one but not pay much. Dailysteals has one for 79 bucks, but is it too outdated? Thanks for any advice.
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It probably more than covers your dad's needs. Unless you anticipate your father becoming a power user and desiring the latest and greatest games and OS releases the N1 should be fine. A ton of apps, calendar, contacts, email, texting, camera and browser are all there. I have a pair of N1's here that I kept for standbys in case one of our other phones has a problem but honestly I don't think my wife would notice the difference if she didn't have her Sensation 4G. I just asked her what would she miss if she had to go back to the N1 full time and the only thing she could think of is that the N1 is smaller. At $79 it's a nice entry point for someone who doesn't know whether or not they will like a "smartphone."
Thanks for the info. He honestly wouldn't know the difference. I have never owned a Nexus One and wasn't sure if it was too outdated to even consider. I was going to give him GS1 before it broke, but comparing online they have pretty identical specs and I know my GS1 is perfectly capable for him.
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Have you taken into consideration the "illnesses" of this device? Namely awful digitizer (touch occasionally going "crazy")?
I'd suggest getting something else in the same price range. I lived with this device for over a year when it was young, but my wife couldn't stand it even for 3 months.
hey123 said:
Thanks for the info. He honestly wouldn't know the difference. I have never owned a Nexus One and wasn't sure if it was too outdated to even consider. I was going to give him GS1 before it broke, but comparing online they have pretty identical specs and I know my GS1 is perfectly capable for him.
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Yeah it's more than capable for an entry level user who probably won't ever need all the features. My father-in-law got a low-end android phone from AT&T earlier this year. 2 weeks later he was returning it.
Jack_R1 said:
Have you taken into consideration the "illnesses" of this device? Namely awful digitizer (touch occasionally going "crazy")?
I'd suggest getting something else in the same price range. I lived with this device for over a year when it was young, but my wife couldn't stand it even for 3 months.
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Lol just made me think of having to press slightly above center on the "hard" keys to get response. It's not the only phone I've had that kind of issue with though. It didn't overshadow my time with the N1. Had it from launch and still have it. Not my daily phone anymore but it's decent enough for a backup that sits in the car or drawer.

I just don't get it...

I have tried to convert 5 people which some had iPhones and rest Samsung and HTC phones. Now in every case I sold their old like 2011 phones and got them a nexus 4 and spending no more than 50 bucks tops to get a nexus 4 8gb. Almost every convert is a failure, most would prefer there old phone back. THIS IS INSANITY!!! now the I sheep I can somewhat understand but the Samsung and HTC just boggled the mind.
Now maybe I'm biased but I hate everything Samsung and HTC does software wise. Its like skinning windows I just don't see the need and why add more code on top and your not even a software company. Most buyers know nothing about android so does it really matter if android was just stock. Maybe work with Google on something's but these ui's just suck in my opinion. All I see it as a forced attempt to be different. Who is forcing this I don't know.
Now I know people don't want to take the time to learn and get used to their ways but something must be wrong ( definitely with those people ) with android. Sometimes I think its too advanced. We talk about isheep but a lot of them know how to use their phones well. Maybe this is why apple keeps iOS the same.
I bought a used nexus 4 for 240 the other day guy told me he couldn't sell it higher I was shocked. This is an unlocked phone and its cheap. People are going into these stores signing two year agreements on already over a year old phones.
Is Google afraid to educate people and push stock android forward. Tell people the truth you can do prepaid and get the same service and stop getting raped every month. All these other hardware makers need Google there really is no other os ( windows phone, yeah right ). Say what you will about apple they get there updates all at the same time and they know when the new iPhone is out. All this different ui stuff just confuses people.
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i recently tried to convert my gf's sister from iphone and failed miserably. She really hate the phone coz apparently she was having trouble with group text and the battery couldn't last her a whole day. I sat her down and reconfigure her phone as much as i can in addition to showing her all the cool things androids can do. All i get at the end of the day was: i still like my iphone better i think i am gonna use that instead of this phone.
i cried :crying:
Used Nexus 4 phones around these parts go for a mint; often more than what the Play store sells them for! As far as converts, some folks are just really "hung up" on their current devices; whether it be with the operating system/their own set o apps (iOS), or they are caught up with the high specs/sensationalism of their current devices (S3, HTC One X, etc). Hard to say.
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i recently tried to convert my gf's sister from iphone and failed miserably. She really hate the phone coz apparently she was having trouble with group text and the battery couldn't last her a whole day. I sat her down and reconfigure her phone as much as i can in addition to showing her all the cool things androids can do. All i get at the end of the day was: i still like my iphone better i think i am gonna use that instead of this phone.
i cried :crying:
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Yeah once upon a time I swore by blackberry until it came time to buy another phone and 4g was out. I said I'm not paying 200 bucks and sign a new agreement for this. Got a Samsung Galaxy 2 then one day rooted. Then ice cream sand which came loved that over crappy touchwiz. Then I learned and waited for Samsung to release new kernel and eventually realized that if I want stock android buy stock android. If I want updates some time in the same year buy a nexus. Gal nex then to 4. There is no better option for me, I wish I had choices but right now its one nexus a year.
So in a lot of ways I am just like an iPhone user.
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I don't even try to convert people...I tell people about it but everyone is like "I never heard of it" or "but I want the galaxy s3" or some crap...hell even phone salesmen have never even heard of this phone in these parts...so I just say OK what ever keep your subpar phone or phone that your stuck with for 2 years I have a bad ass phone that that I didn't get suckered into for 2 years and paid the same price for...and it has a better processor with more ram and it gets updated software in a timely manner...though that's not much of a selling point for most people I know since they all ignore the updates any damn way.
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Fataldesain said:
I have tried to convert 5 people which some had iPhones and rest Samsung and HTC phones. Now in every case I sold their old like 2011 phones and got them a nexus 4 and spending no more than 50 bucks tops to get a nexus 4 8gb. Almost every convert is a failure, most would prefer there old phone back. THIS IS INSANITY!!! now the I sheep I can somewhat understand but the Samsung and HTC just boggled the mind.
Now maybe I'm biased but I hate everything Samsung and HTC does software wise. Its like skinning windows I just don't see the need and why add more code on top and your not even a software company. Most buyers know nothing about android so does it really matter if android was just stock. Maybe work with Google on something's but these ui's just suck in my opinion. All I see it as a forced attempt to be different. Who is forcing this I don't know.
Now I know people don't want to take the time to learn and get used to their ways but something must be wrong ( definitely with those people ) with android. Sometimes I think its too advanced. We talk about isheep but a lot of them know how to use their phones well. Maybe this is why apple keeps iOS the same.
I bought a used nexus 4 for 240 the other day guy told me he couldn't sell it higher I was shocked. This is an unlocked phone and its cheap. People are going into these stores signing two year agreements on already over a year old phones.
Is Google afraid to educate people and push stock android forward. Tell people the truth you can do prepaid and get the same service and stop getting raped every month. All these other hardware makers need Google there really is no other os ( windows phone, yeah right ). Say what you will about apple they get there updates all at the same time and they know when the new iPhone is out. All this different ui stuff just confuses people.
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Hey, I say thank you to those types. If it wasn't for those people coming from iPhones I would not have been able to get 3 16gb nexus 4s and two charging orbs for 1000 flat. The average age of each phone? 4 days old.
You're a hobbyist, just accept that other people have different interests than you do.
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Drachen808 said:
Hey, I say thank you to those types. If it wasn't for those people coming from iPhones I would not have been able to get 3 16gb nexus 4s and two charging orbs for 1000 flat. The average age of each phone? 4 days old.
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Man maybe I should have cruised Craigslist lol
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If a phone is doing what a person needs it to then what reason is there for them to change to a new one?
Normal people will want to stick with what they want if it's working for them (to an extent, advertising will usually motivate then to "upgrade"). If you try and convert then from iPhone to Nexus or even TouchWiz to Nexus, Joe normal won't like having to go thru that learning curve of figuring out a new phone ui again.
It's just how it is. Joe normal just wants to text, make calls, receive emails and watch porn on their phone. They don't give two hoots if another phone opens apps 0.5s faster or not.
Stop trying to convert people. It's great you enjoy your Nexus 4. It doesn't mean everyone else has to.
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Ive had enough of the people around here. i think im just going to get the HTC One and live a normal life again
You gotta hand it to Apple that iOS is simple, colorful and intuitive. It's like being locked up in a golden cage and Apple decides what you are going to be fed, but still it's very simple to handle.
Samsung and HTC are trying to accomplish the same, their interface is a more colorful and simple approach to the Android experience. Not everyone likes the stock Android look! There's an enormous difference between the unexerienced and the advanced user!
I say, why bother? Coming from iPhone2g,4,4s,HOX, I love Nexus 4 the most. Android matured, it's on par with iOS and in many aspects bests it. So why bother and try to convert people. Let 'em be & just enjoy yourself. That's the way I see it.
Still the worst encounter I ever had was with an iPhone user. Me and 3 friends were just having a drink, me being the only android users the rest iPhone. So without the intention of bringing any os war up I simply said, arrgh I need a screen protector, (HTC one x back then) getting a crap load of scratches.....
Here is how it continued:
Idiot1: omg get iPhone its the best
Me: I'm happy with android its just scratches
Idiot2: man get iPhone they have best screens ever, they don't scratch, here look no scratch..
Me: *thinking: what an idiot we both have Corning gorilla glass*
Third guy was talking about how epic its features are.
In this whole conversation however, I remained calm and didn't mention anything about either phones. Cause alone the argument they had shows they have not the slightest clue about anything , not even hardware wise. They are loyal to apple and whatever they release is god sent. So there was really nothing I wanted to say. Not that I care what phone they are using, just people with no clue saying things they have no idea about
Edit: idiot2 broke up with his gf just cause she replied to s guy who asked her a question. Lolol
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i miss some of the sense widgets but thats all i miss and only cause they polish them up a little better and it doesn't look bare but it's honestly no where near enough for me to consider buying that HTC One " " especially with that whole blink feed crap (personally i hate the tiled view) but point of the post when the N4 first came out I got one for a iSheep and to this day he is way happier with it. people who are cool with going outside of their comfort zone and aren't scared to try new things will see it for what it is while people who don't want change will call out the negatives and run to their old phones again . . . ..
i really don't get why people liked their old androids better than the N4 though that does boggle my mizind
I was pissed because I saw some 65 year old dude at Chick-fil-a using a Nexus 4 and I couldn't have one. Once the supply chain got fixed and I had one of my own on stupid cheap pre-paid I was no longer mad.
I don't care about people using other phones as long as it doesn't prevent me from using mine, that is their prerogative. Ill tell them about my setup though, a bit of an evangelist, and they will still willingly sign up with AT&T to be bent-over on a plan so they can save $100 on a phone. Not my problem though, I dont pay their phone bill either.
icecicle said:
i miss some of the sense widgets but thats all i miss and only cause they polish them up a little better and it doesn't look bare but it's honestly no where near enough for me to consider buying that HTC One
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Originally I did too but then HD Widgets came along (now I only use the lock screen widget though) and Google added a ton to vanilla in ICS.
Some people it's not about the phone, it's about what the phone says.
They won't buy a Nexus because they have never heard of Nexus and don't know about the image it portrays.
They buy a Samsung because it's not an iPhone, they buy an iPhone because iPhones are what the hipsters have etc etc.
I think it's funny hearing iPhone people talk about features android has had since ICS like it's a brand new thing because it just appeared on iOS.
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its ultimately about uniformity. all apple devices have the same layout, feel and functionality. all android devices arebso different that no one knows whats going on. if all android devices were offered as stock there would be no real problems. you can really blame second hand companies for jizzing up the layout and trying to be "innovative." best thing though is that apple is no longer the leader in mobiles. theyre playing catch up to android, because even with all the differences other companies are offering better specs at better prices faster than apple can keep up with, which makes me happy
why convert people to nexus? worry about your own problems
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I tried to aware people but my threads are beig closed. N4 is the most failed phone and google hid it nehind a cheap price tag.
But cheap price tag doesnt mean that the device will always help u. In this fast tech age i am using my note for over a year now. Even today i am happy with my phone which has tasted 3 major android flavors.
This is what i call a fururistic hardware and vendors dedication in making it better and better.
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Bought a fake Galaxy S5

Realized I bought a fake galaxy s5 earlier today. I didn't know there were so good fakes out there now, I haven't kept up with cell phones since the HTC EVO 3D. I'm mad, I bought it for $325 . I am so ****ing pissed at myself for being so stupid. I should have come on here first and done some research but I was dying for a new phone since I have been on the Nokia Lumia 900 for the past year and its on its last legs, saw the 325 price tag on CL and jumped on it thinking I got a good deal. Never again will I let impulses get the best of me. This is more of a rant, but also here is this guys information in case any of you are in the Central Florida region (this is a copy and paste of a CL ad I just made warning other users on CL):
This mother****er sold me a fake Galaxy S5. His ads are the following links:
links are blocked because I have less than 10 posts
His phone number is: 7862021013
And he calls himself T. He is a tall black man that drives a sedan. He will ask you to meet him in front of Walmart on Turkey Lake Rd.
DO NOT BUY THE GALAXY S5 or any phones from him, no matter how low he is going. The S5 is 100% fake. Run CPU-ID app on phone and you will see that it does not have a Snapdragon process but an ARM Cortex old ass one. It also does not have 16gb memory but 1.7gb. Also if you look at the box you will notice that it says 3GB of RAM when the original Galaxy S5 really has 2GB. This man is a lie and a cheat. Do not get conned like I have. I gave him $325 and am stuck with a fake ass replica.
This is only fair warning to other CL users, I would hate to hear of others fall victim to this con.
**edit: Updated with pictures of the fake s5. I should have looked at the box itself more closely, right there it said 3GB RAM, Fell so stupid.
tmaynehassuru said:
Realized I bought a fake galaxy s5 earlier today. I didn't know there were so good fakes out there now, I haven't kept up with cell phones since the HTC EVO 3D. I'm mad, I bought it for $325 . I am so ****ing pissed at myself for being so stupid. I should have come on here first and done some research but I was dying for a new phone since I have been on the Nokia Lumia 900 for the past year and its on its last legs, saw the 325 price tag on CL and jumped on it thinking I got a good deal. Never again will I let impulses get the best of me. This is more of a rant, but also here is this guys information in case any of you are in the Central Florida region (this is a copy and paste of a CL ad I just made warning other users on CL):
This mother****er sold me a fake Galaxy S5. His ads are the following links:
links are blocked because I have less than 10 posts
His phone number is: 7862021013
And he calls himself T. He is a tall black man that drives a sedan. He will ask you to meet him in front of Walmart on Turkey Lake Rd.
DO NOT BUY THE GALAXY S5 or any phones from him, no matter how low he is going. The S5 is 100% fake. Run CPU-ID app on phone and you will see that it does not have a Snapdragon process but an ARM Cortex old ass one. It also does not have 16gb memory but 1.7gb. Also if you look at the box you will notice that it says 3GB of RAM when the original Galaxy S5 really has 2GB. This man is a lie and a cheat. Do not get conned like I have. I gave him $325 and am stuck with a fake ass replica.
This is only fair warning to other CL users, I would hate to hear of others fall victim to this con.
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For $325 for an S5 you should expect it to be stolen, Broken, or bad IMEI. Or in this case fake. I NEVER use craglist anymore due to this happening to people with any & everything. I also Highly Recomend Swappa.com I see fakes sold ALL the time on Cragslist. I Usually send harassing texts about to them as well. lol.
But could you not tell it was fake? I know they have gotten better at making decent knock offs but usually at first glance of the front and or software / Screen I can tell easily.
That wretch, I feel for you! Just make sure when you get the S5 get the new one with more memory. Just chalk it up as a lesson learned, heck you have a little toy to play with now.
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$325, really? Even if it were stolen / hot, he'd be selling it for more than that...
Did you contact the police?
hyelton said:
For $325 for an S5 you should expect it to be stolen, Broken, or bad IMEI. Or in this case fake. I NEVER use craglist anymore due to this happening to people with any & everything. I also Highly Recomend Swappa.com I see fakes sold ALL the time on Cragslist. I Usually send harassing texts about to them as well. lol.
But could you not tell it was fake? I know they have gotten better at making decent knock offs but usually at first glance of the front and or software / Screen I can tell easily.
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I didn't look at it very closely, like I said I haven't really been in the market for phones for awhile. I didn't realize the fakes are so much better than it used to be. I also did 0 research before buying and the thought of a fake one didn't occur, stupid me. I also put up pictures just now to show you all what I got.
SnuggP said:
That wretch, I feel for you! Just make sure when you get the S5 get the new one with more memory. Just chalk it up as a lesson learned, heck you have a little toy to play with now.
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What is the new one with more memory? There's a new version of the s5 coming out? Lol I am putting it back on CL for a 100 dollars, i put it up as replica I dont want to con nobody, I'm sure somebody will want it, its still a decent phone. I also put up pictures just now to show you all what I got.
cmd512 said:
$325, really? Even if it were stolen / hot, he'd be selling it for more than that...
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Ya. I don't know what happened today, normally I'm very skeptical, but the dire need for a new phone got the better of me and I really wanted the S5...thought i hit gold with this deal...I would rather have donated or gambled that money away then give it to that conning ****er on CL. I also put up pictures just now to show you all what I got.
daoom said:
Did you contact the police?
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Orlando Police are jokes. They don't do squat EVEN if you give them all the evidence they need. I only have his phone number, I don't have a pic of him or his car plate. I should have been more skeptical when I saw him take out a burner phone...so stupid. I also put up pictures just now to show you all what I got.
The first giveaway is that the earpiece should be black and not silver.
So sorry you got screwed over man.
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Orlando Police are jokes. They don't do squat EVEN if you give them all the evidence they need. I only have his phone number, I don't have a pic of him or his car plate. I should have been more skeptical when I saw him take out a burner phone...so stupid. I also put up pictures just now to show you all what I got.
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You have a phone number and a CR add, they could easily find him.
Dude, be honest here, you were buying a new phone for $325 from a dude in a parking lot. You KNEW you were likely buying stolen property and didn't care. Your not calling the police has nothing to do with their competence .. or lack there of.
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Doesn't hurt to call and talk to PD.
Are you sure ?
Hi, Sad to hear that... But you 100% sure that its fake ? did you factory reset it once before use ? coz everything else its pretty perfect did you check camera before buy like selected focus n hdr ??
That's a legit looking fake man. Few minor appearances should've given it away. Software was a dead giveaway that if was fake. Sorry you got scammed. It sucks there are some scum in this world
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
The first giveaway is that the earpiece should be black and not silver.
So sorry you got screwed over man.
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I am too, thanks for your condolences
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daoom said:
You have a phone number and a CR add, they could easily find him.
Dude, be honest here, you were buying a new phone for $325 from a dude in a parking lot. You KNEW you were likely buying stolen property and didn't care. Your not calling the police has nothing to do with their competence .. or lack there of.
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No man, I just thought I got a good deal lol. 325 is still a lot of money for a stolen/fake phone. I have gotten good deals like that in the past before, and have met ppl in a parking lot, so this wasn't very off to me. But I think I probably will call them tomorrow.
chungdae said:
Doesn't hurt to call and talk to PD.
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I probably will tomorrow.
moizhaque said:
Hi, Sad to hear that... But you 100% sure that its fake ? did you factory reset it once before use ? coz everything else its pretty perfect did you check camera before buy like selected focus n hdr ??
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Ya, you can tell just from the CPU-ID pictures I have there, the processor isn't the real one and theres only 2GB of usable memory...100% fake. Also the outside cosmetics are off. I wish I had researched this before I bought it. Stupid me. And no I didn't check the camera, I was actually in a rush to leave cuz it was 96 degrees out here today and I was sweating balls lolz. Next time I'll meet people in a starbucks or something and take time to look over what I'm buying
For me the first thing that popped was the led flash. In every fake cell phone it has that look/texture whereas in original phones it has a totally different look. For the author of this thread, this is something to be learned. Even if the phone is sealed in a box, open it, check it, look carefully at the exterior and then look in the phone info. If the seller does not want you to open the box simply pass, there are enough phones out there.
moizhaque said:
Hi, Sad to hear that... But you 100% sure that its fake ? did you factory reset it once before use ? coz everything else its pretty perfect did you check camera before buy like selected focus n hdr ??
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Of course its fake...look at this home button....its silver! lol
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oTToToTenTanz said:
Of course its fake...look at this home button....its silver! lol
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I just took a look at the home button and it is black, from the outside it does look remarkably well done! But I would never buy on a parking lot, that is always fishy, no matter where you are from.
tmaynehassuru said:
Realized I bought a fake galaxy s5 earlier today. I didn't know there were so good fakes out there now, I haven't kept up with cell phones since the HTC EVO 3D. I'm mad, I bought it for $325 . I am so ****ing pissed at myself for being so stupid. I should have come on here first and done some research but I was dying for a new phone since I have been on the Nokia Lumia 900 for the past year and its on its last legs, saw the 325 price tag on CL and jumped on it thinking I got a good deal. Never again will I let impulses get the best of me. This is more of a rant, but also here is this guys information in case any of you are in the Central Florida region (this is a copy and paste of a CL ad I just made warning other users on CL):
This mother****er sold me a fake Galaxy S5. His ads are the following links:
links are blocked because I have less than 10 posts
His phone number is: 7862021013
And he calls himself T. He is a tall black man that drives a sedan. He will ask you to meet him in front of Walmart on Turkey Lake Rd.
DO NOT BUY THE GALAXY S5 or any phones from him, no matter how low he is going. The S5 is 100% fake. Run CPU-ID app on phone and you will see that it does not have a Snapdragon process but an ARM Cortex old ass one. It also does not have 16gb memory but 1.7gb. Also if you look at the box you will notice that it says 3GB of RAM when the original Galaxy S5 really has 2GB. This man is a lie and a cheat. Do not get conned like I have. I gave him $325 and am stuck with a fake ass replica.
This is only fair warning to other CL users, I would hate to hear of others fall victim to this con.
**edit: Updated with pictures of the fake s5. I should have looked at the box itself more closely, right there it said 3GB RAM, Fell so stupid.
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Well lesson learned. Be glad it's only for $325. Please call the police and see if they can do anything. Thanks BTW, I just downloaded CPU-Z, nice app, everyone should use it when buying any used phone.
Damn that sucks bad man. I never buy on craigslist, I only sell. I feel for you buddy. Lesson learned for all of us.
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WizeGuyDezignz said:
The first giveaway is that the earpiece should be black and not silver.
So sorry you got screwed over man.
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You got it backwards because genuine phones have silver earpiece.
Michael_P said:
You got it backwards because genuine phones have silver earpiece.
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Incorrect. The S4 had silver, are you thinking of that? If you have a black S5 and your earpiece is silver, it's you that has a fake lol.
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Incorrect. The S4 had silver, are you thinking of that? If you have a black S5 and your earpiece is silver, it's you that has a fake lol.
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It's the white S5 I have and they do have silver earpiece, but maybe you right about the black version.

Community needs to wake up, Seriously!

hi.im a loyal Samsung customer. i love their innovations, their experimentation, their ideas!
i love Note series, since Note 1, i never got anyother daily driver phone. it was always Note! the refined version of their S line.
Everybody knows how samsung treated Note 4. it is left like it is not even one of their own.
im not living in Europe or USA or Canada, where u can get subsidy from carriers and get a new phone and pay the rest monthly.
i have to get the cash, get it for almost 40% higher price than its price, or get it imported . i got mine imported.
Yesterday my Note 4 screen gave up on me. the left side of the display flickered and glitched out on its own for NO reason at all! i didnt drop it, i didnt put weight on it, it didnt get wet, NOTHING! all on its own, and mind u its only 20 days old phone.
its under warranty but i cant claim it cause i got it from UK and now i cant go back or send it back cause that would take time and lots of money especially when, if fixed, it comes back.
now i gave it for repair but they didnt satisfy me and said that these issues were common with S5 and onward phones from samsung. risk is higher cause it can be LCD issue which will cost me around $200, where i got this phone for $550
i had a Tab S8.4 this January, that had TERRIBLE battery issue, and after that motherboard died and i had to sell in for parts!
now all these stories and whats the outcome?
well i see many people here saying that looking at support from samsung for note 4 , they will not be getting any more samsung device, and blah blah.... then how come samsung sell millions of newer releases especially in European countries and USA? i mean, majority of their sales are in these areas right?
its sad, how **** their QC has gone, and even software support is ****! everyone knows they will not release 5.1 for international models until after Note 5 comes out.
Note 4 was supposed to be DAWN of new design language for samsung especially for their Flagships, but where is that philosophy now?
im not trying to be that mean dude, but it hurts when u spend ur hard earned money, u wait for a device u love, u get that and after 20 days u find its screen glitch out for no ****ING reason!
this is second time within few months, samsung betrayed me.
and its not just me, no major update in almost a year is bad from samsung.
so all who are saying they will not get Note 5 for lack of SD card slot, or removable battery, PLS STICK TO YOUR WORDS!
they have really really turned themselves like apple. samsung is the new apple now... but atleast, Apple knows a thing or two about QC and Software support. because without software support these phones are nothing more than a piece of hardware!
Unnecessary thread is unnecessary.
aami.aami said:
hi.im a loyal Samsung customer. i love their innovations, their experimentation, their ideas!
i love Note series, since Note 1, i never got anyother daily driver phone. it was always Note! the refined version of their S line.
Everybody knows how samsung treated Note 4. it is left like it is not even one of their own.
im not living in Europe or USA or Canada, where u can get subsidy from carriers and get a new phone and pay the rest monthly.
i have to get the cash, get it for almost 40% higher price than its price, or get it imported . i got mine imported.
Yesterday my Note 4 screen gave up on me. the left side of the display flickered and glitched out on its own for NO reason at all! i didnt drop it, i didnt put weight on it, it didnt get wet, NOTHING! all on its own, and mind u its only 20 days old phone.
its under warranty but i cant claim it cause i got it from UK and now i cant go back or send it back cause that would take time and lots of money especially when, if fixed, it comes back.
now i gave it for repair but they didnt satisfy me and said that these issues were common with S5 and onward phones from samsung. risk is higher cause it can be LCD issue which will cost me around $200, where i got this phone for $550
i had a Tab S8.4 this January, that had TERRIBLE battery issue, and after that motherboard died and i had to sell in for parts!
now all these stories and whats the outcome?
well i see many people here saying that looking at support from samsung for note 4 , they will not be getting any more samsung device, and blah blah.... then how come samsung sell millions of newer releases especially in European countries and USA? i mean, majority of their sales are in these areas right?
its sad, how **** their QC has gone, and even software support is ****! everyone knows they will not release 5.1 for international models until after Note 5 comes out.
Note 4 was supposed to be DAWN of new design language for samsung especially for their Flagships, but where is that philosophy now?
im not trying to be that mean dude, but it hurts when u spend ur hard earned money, u wait for a device u love, u get that and after 20 days u find its screen glitch out for no ****ING reason!
this is second time within few months, samsung betrayed me.
and its not just me, no major update in almost a year is bad from samsung.
so all who are saying they will not get Note 5 for lack of SD card slot, or removable battery, PLS STICK TO YOUR WORDS!
they have really really turned themselves like apple. samsung is the new apple now... but atleast, Apple knows a thing or two about QC and Software support. because without software support these phones are nothing more than a piece of hardware!
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Why buy an imported version? Imports always have their risks no matter the brand. A screen replacement is always expensive due to the high costs of the amoled display (oem displays are always much more expensive than their knockoffs). Did you try calling a samsung service center for help? Sometimes they honor the warranty even if it is an import. If not then just send it back to the store you bought it from (should be cheaper than replacing the screen).
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i knew i would get such comments and even hate for this. its not a personal matter.
i would eventually get my issue fixed, that not the problem. the problem is Samsung's behavior to its customers.
its us buying their products and when people find unnecessary issues and lack of support from company, we rage like hell. but then at the end we go and buy another one of their over priced product and the cycle keeps going on and on....
the reason of this thread is not to bash samsung or to bash its customers in anyway. i myself like samsung but not anymore and thats because of no one else but samsung themselves.
its only US, customers who can fix lot of issues.
im sure many here would understand my point, sad you didn't
aami.aami said:
i knew i would get such comments and even hate for this. its not a personal matter.
i would eventually get my issue fixed, that not the problem. the problem is Samsung's behavior to its customers.
its us buying their products and when people find unnecessary issues and lack of support from company, we rage like hell. but then at the end we go and buy another one of their over priced product and the cycle keeps going on and on....
the reason of this thread is not to bash samsung or to bash its customers in anyway. i myself like samsung but not anymore and thats because of no one else but samsung themselves.
its only US, customers who can fix lot of issues.
im sure many here would understand my point, sad you didn't
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Look it's not that I don't understand your point, it's the fact that your thread number 500 on this subject. I've already said I'm not buying another Samsung product.. I love my note 4 but have grown to dislike the lack of updates and most definitely the lack of open source on the TW side of things.
This is what happens when you take risks for granted. That extra 40% for a local version probably doesn't seem so bad now. You should consider an import as a no warranty device, not to mention you rooting it as well. I don't think I would purchase any kind of device today for $550 without some kind of warranty, unless I had 100% certainty the device would not fail.
I knew the risk when I bought my Note 4 and rooted it the second I brought it home. That was a $700 risk I was willing to accept with nobody else to blame but myself. (Of course I used the ol' amex warranty safety net, I am not totally reckless)
Conclusion: Suck it up, move on, and hopefully learn something from the experience.
I'm with you. The Note 4 amazed me when I got it, but the Lollipop update and amazingly long delays in fixing the issues, seeing all Samsungs old, ****ty models getting 5.1.1 before their newest most expensive flagship phone really soured me off the experience. With the Note 5 looking total ****, it seems like there's no real reason to stay with Samsung. Great hardware (except the Note 5), but their support and software are ****.
I totaly agree with you and I will not buy any Samsung phone/product in the future. I have Note 4 and Tab S and on Note 4 I had to lose warranty and root it to get the ROM that is working to some point and on Tab S I have stock and it is HORRIBLE! Gr8 piece of HW with crappy SW = not worth it! Thx to this incompetent Samsung like engeniers Apple is still on top thx to good support and great SW with lesser HW.
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see! i told you guys! samsung says no Note 5 for Europe and also just look at what they made us wait for our Note 4 5.1, this ****ty fingerprint magnet Note 5.
what are the upgrades? NOTHING!

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