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Alright, I currently have an Incredible. I have yet to root it, because I'm thinking about using my 30 day satisfaction guarantee to switch for the DroidX. Now, from my understanding, root is essentially inevitable on all phones. However, the Incredible has custom ROMs available already, whereas from reading a thread elsewhere, it's looking like it will be nigh impossible to get custom ROMs for the DroidX? Is this true? Does that mean the Incredible is unsigned?
I was considering switching to the DroidX because of the bigger screen, better video and sound quality, among other reasons. Should I still consider this, or am I better off sticking with my Incredible?
The Inc. bootloader apparently will work with non-signed ROMs. Motorola has started to make their bootloaders check for a valid digital signature on any ROM it starts to load. If there is not a valid digital signature on the ROM, it won't load it. Therefore you cannot load a custom ROM with that type of bootloader. It hasn't been determined if the bootloader on the X will only work with digitally signed ROMs, but that is the expectation.
Whether or not you care depends on what you expect to do with the phone. Many people don't care to load custom ROMs. If the manufacturer keeps up with development, then the need for custom ROMs drops even further. There will always be those people that want to play around and tweak ROMs, but the general poplulation won't bother with ROMs.
It just depends on what you want to do.....
This is purely a guess... but I would venture to say the X will be rooted at some point. I'm basing this off the assumption nothing new is being implemented here. I can't imagine this phone is suddenly using some new technology that cannot be cracked.
But who knows. Only time will tell.
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It just depends on what you want to do.....
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As I understand it, the Milestone is the only phone Motorola has locked down the ability to load unsigned roms. Is it also the only Android phone released by Motorola since the Droid? How can we know if this is something they simply decided to do after they released the Droid or if it was a one-off? I've read they said they will require signed roms on all future phones, but who knows. I thought the Droid was vanilla android, is the milestone not. If it runs without a manufacturer custom UI, what's the point of locking it down?
I dropped my iPhone in the lake a month ago, but was planning on replacing it in July with an Android phone anyway. I was waiting for the Evo, and now the Droid X but I don't think I can wait any longer without a phone. Reading all the reviews of the Droid X I've just ignored all critisism of the UI assuming I'd be able to throw vanilla Froyo on there within a few days when the community released something. This is really discouraging and sorry to say even with the Motorola UI I think it's still my best option. As a side rant, I know it's been said before, but I don't see how this is any different than buying a computer and not being allowed to put whatever OS I want on it as long as I can find drivers. It seems like the sort of thing the FTC would go after Dell or HP for doing, so why should smart-phones be any different, especially unsubsidized? In short, to answer your question, I'd like to not have the annoyance of feeling like MY hardware is being arbitrarily limited by the manufacturer, even if their custom android "does" everything I need it to.
What if you wanted to do development on your phone and not just virtual consoles on your computer. In a year or two is your only option going to be a designated development phone like the Nexus One? I can see why it has little effect on Motorola, people who care make up a very small percentage, but shouldn't Google care enough to step in and prevent Motorola from doing this?
Ok, I'm fairly new to all this, which leads me to my confusion on this issue. If we are worried about the bootloader, as with the milestone - no roms then what is this about?
[ROM][V0.3][28.06.2010] Senseui Mod for Milestone - xda-developers
Is he using a different version of milestone?
All im looking to do is get rid of the bloat apps that the X comes with. Even if we cant have custom roms, can this still be done? Im coming from an Omnia and i know the only way to get rid of the useless stuff was to flash. Does this work the same way with Android?
Yes Yes i have never had a Android phone before. Very excited about making the switch once the X is released
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Ok, I'm fairly new to all this, which leads me to my confusion on this issue. If we are worried about the bootloader, as with the milestone - no roms then what is this about?
[ROM][V0.3][28.06.2010] Senseui Mod for Milestone - xda-developers
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From what I understand, there's a[n experimental?] method to bypass the bootloader entirely on the milestone, and slip in a custom ROM that way. I think it's called kextern.
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All im looking to do is get rid of the bloat apps that the X comes with. Even if we cant have custom roms, can this still be done? Im coming from an Omnia and i know the only way to get rid of the useless stuff was to flash. Does this work the same way with Android?
Yes Yes i have never had a Android phone before. Very excited about making the switch once the X is released
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Once it's rooted, yes, you could easily do that. However if you don't like the psuedo-blur UI, there would be no way to get rid of that if the bootloader is encrypted.
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However if you don't like the psuedo-blur UI, there would be no way to get rid of that if the bootloader is encrypted.
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Installing something like LauncherPro will go a long way towards removing the blur-like elements on the droidx. Getting rid of the motorola widgets and using a 3rd party launcher brings you fairly close to a stock android experience.
about DroidX development
The developer will need to CUSTOM make it for the EVO.
are we going to get any other roms from different phones ported to the nexus one?? have not seen anything??
Why would you assume we could even do that? All the phones run Android. And they all have different drivers for their various hardware differences.
Porting a rom would be to pull just the Android part out of it, and put it on the Nexus. Which is already what we have.
If you mean porting the different launchers/icons/widgets that is done all the time. And we have a lot of things like that.
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are we going to get any other roms from different phones ported to the nexus one?? have not seen anything??
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The Desire's been ported by Paul. If you want something broken, download one of King's many ports.
well for example i was able to use the blur rom on my g1 and even the slide rom on g1 and port 2.2 on g1 and such why is that we only get the desire rom?? not droids roms or even the new galaxy ? idk is it possible? or not?
it would be great to maybe see the galaxy s rom ported over to the nexus one....anyone out there know how to do this?? or even the evo or droid x roms ported over to the nexus one?? is this possible...???
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well for example i was able to use the blur rom on my g1 and even the slide rom on g1 and port 2.2 on g1 and such why is that we only get the desire rom?? not droids roms or even the new galaxy ? idk is it possible? or not?
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Well, maybe becoz the N1 has the latest Android version and porting stuff from earlier Android versions is not always possible... the Desire had 2.1 and now has a leaked 2.2, and is very much similar to the N1, so porting is possible... if stuff like blur was written for Android 2.1/2.2, I'm sure we'd see blur roms for the N1....
dont the droix x run one 2.1 and also the galxay rom run on 2.1 cant nexus one go back to 2.1 i still can use 2.1? on a rooted version of n1?
i just hope we all will be able to seen some roms realease coming soon
Yes, instead of developing proper Nexus AOSP ROM, porting newer graphic driver, enabling 720p and FM radio, etc - let's spend the time porting a zillion of different ROMs, with whatever features that won't work..
Or maybe not.
um look at the desire rom for nexus one...do we have one actually works all features yet or still not properly working?? and im just asking quiestion no need to be rude about it n crap....
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um look at the desire rom for nexus one...do we have one actually works all features yet or still not properly working?? and im just asking quiestion no need to be rude about it n crap....
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Well, the Nexus and Desire have very similar hardware... so it was easier to port considering less driver problems... besides the DroidX is new and the Desire's been out for quite a while... maybe we'll see a DroidX firmware port in a while... maybe we won't...
with the release of froyostone rom for the hd2 which is sense + 2.2 officially from htc, I believe it would be much easier to port sense to the captivate and completely remove touchwiz.
First your posting in the wrong captivate forum section...second the Android os isn't something that can be magically ported to XX device just because XXX device has it or its working on it, for starters the hd2 is a non native android device, which means its running an android port, with the help of a half working linux kernel, loaded with haret bootloader, android 2.2 is coming in September so just sit tight and be patient, or you can download CM6 vibrant source and port it over to the captivate(you would have to make the captivates kernel compatible with 2.2, meaning backporting/patching etc) which ever you like.
Rafyvitto
Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
gunnyman said:
Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
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Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
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Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
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I LOL'ed +tenchars
gunnyman said:
Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
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Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
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ROFL thats some good stuff guys.
who wants sense anyways, it's just a big shiney TURD!
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who wants sense anyways, it's just a big shiney TURD!
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+1
where's some good ol' fashioned AOSP when you need it?
*hint hint* DG *hint*
Personally, I cant wait till all manufacturers realize we don't want to be forced into sense, touch wiz etc.
Make it default if you have to, but provide an option to enjoy raw, unadulterated android!!!
I guess we wait and see what Gingerbread does about that.
To the OP, why don't YOU port Android 2.2 to the Captivate AND also port Sense??
Joking aside I am going to be cooking for the Captivate soon. I'm just waiting for Froyo so I can get my hands dirty with Android .
Maybe even a Sense port??
I've been working on porting sense to our the device for some weeks now but roms fail to boot, changing libs etc, got no clue of what else to try.
Sense is so deeply entangled into Android, kinda like trying to remove Internet Explorer from Windows 95, It is virtually impossible to get it working without all the kernel extensions HTC added to the OS.
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Sense is so deeply entangled into Android, kinda like trying to remove Internet Explorer from Windows 95, It is virtually impossible to get it working without all the kernel extensions HTC added to the OS.
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Just a historical footnote. Internet explorer was very easy to remove from windows 95. The original release of win95 didn't even include internet explorer. It was only available as part of the plus! Pack of addons. The SR1 release had IE v2 included but it could be easily deleted. It wasn't until IE 4 that active desktop became a part of the package and began making it difficult to seperate from the OS. IE 4 came sr2.5 but was an optional upgrade for most win95 instalations.
But i knew what you meant.
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Just a historical footnote. Internet explorer was very easy to remove from windows 95. The original release of win95 didn't even include internet explorer. It was only available as part of the plus! Pack of addons. The SR1 release had IE v2 included but it could be easily deleted. It wasn't until IE 4 that active desktop became a part of the package and began making it difficult to seperate from the OS. IE 4 came sr2.5 but was an optional upgrade for most win95 instalations.
But i knew what you meant.
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haha, I was literally going to add almost exactly this.
Sense seems only to be portable to devices that can run off of HTC-based ROMs. It seems to be much easier to remove it than to try and bring it over (I haven't heard of it being brought to a device that wasn't HTC based). The widgets haven't even been ported to the best of my knowledge to work on non-Sense launchers. And, as proven by our phones, they could have made Sense even MORE integrated considering removing touchwiz launcher causes massive force closes. Also, Sense is proprietary and cosed source, so we don't have any low-level access to remove the HTC restrictions (short of binary hacking, which I know nothing about and could indeed be wrong about)
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haha, I was literally going to add almost exactly this.
Sense seems only to be portable to devices that can run off of HTC-based ROMs. It seems to be much easier to remove it than to try and bring it over (I haven't heard of it being brought to a device that wasn't HTC based). The widgets haven't even been ported to the best of my knowledge to work on non-Sense launchers. And, as proven by our phones, they could have made Sense even MORE integrated considering removing touchwiz launcher causes massive force closes. Also, Sense is proprietary and cosed source, so we don't have any low-level access to remove the HTC restrictions (short of binary hacking, which I know nothing about and could indeed be wrong about)
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Well how the huck did they get Sense on the HD2?? It doesn't even come with android from factory! We need someone to shed a little more light in this. Maybe its because they use some Qualcomm specific images or something.
rafyvitto said:
I've been working on porting sense to our the device for some weeks now but roms fail to boot, changing libs etc, got no clue of what else to try.
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You got a PM
DJGonzo said:
Well how the huck did they get Sense on the HD2?? It doesn't even come with android from factory! We need someone to shed a little more light in this. Maybe its because they use some Qualcomm specific images or something.
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notice how I said I can't see it being ported to a non-HTC device. The HD2 is indeed an HTC device and I believe the ROM that has Sense is one built off of an HTC ROM for another device. Much like how the Legend ROMs were able to be fairly easily/quickly ported to the Aria. In fact, many of the internals of the HD2 resemble a lot of the Android hardware produced by HTC (qualcomm snapdragon and all that good stuff I believe)... the difficulty of getting android on that device had nothing to do with the ROMs, but actually getting haret to boot a linux kernel properly.
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notice how I said I can't see it being ported to a non-HTC device. The HD2 is indeed an HTC device and I believe the ROM that has Sense is one built off of an HTC ROM for another device. Much like how the Legend ROMs were able to be fairly easily/quickly ported to the Aria. In fact, many of the internals of the HD2 resemble a lot of the Android hardware produced by HTC (qualcomm snapdragon and all that good stuff I believe)... the difficulty of getting android on that device had nothing to do with the ROMs, but actually getting haret to boot a linux kernel properly.
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Unless they ported the whole ROM and re used drivers, I don't quite understand how they got it to work.
They got Sense 2.5 working from The HD2 onto the Omnia II (winmo), so its quite possible. We just need a team of developers willing to do the work. I can offer hosting and testing and little technical help since I am new at Android but I think we can get it to work if we start to tinker with it.
Maybe a ROM port is in order?
Maybe we should wait for a Froyo kernel though.
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Unless they ported the whole ROM and re used drivers, I don't quite understand how they got it to work.
They got Sense 2.5 working from The HD2 onto the Omnia II (winmo), so its quite possible. We just need a team of developers willing to do the work. I can offer hosting and testing and little technical help since I am new at Android but I think we can get it to work if we start to tinker with it.
Maybe a ROM port is in order?
Maybe we should wait for a Froyo kernel though.
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I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it hasn't been done. There are (correct me if I'm wrong) absolutely no non-HTC android devices with the Sense UI. I know nothing about the HD2/Omnia II Sense port, but that's WinMo... not even remotely close to Android in terms of interoperability. I also feel like any ROMs designed to bring Sense UI to non-HTC android devices would be hit with C&D's since it's their proprietary software (hence why both Fancy Widget and Beautiful Widgets got in trouble originally when they launched on the market).
Don't get me wrong, good luck in porting it, hell even I like the look of it and would love the option, but considering how long Sense has been out for android (and numerous devices) and we don't see it on any non-HTC android devices, I have to believe it's been tried and just doesn't work (which is why you also don't see MotoBLUR/NinjaBLUR anywhere else either... or even TouchWiz on the EVO)
Also I think the HD2 and the Desire are the same hardware. If not the Desire it's another phone. That also makes porting Android pretty painless.
Hi,
I traded my ZTE blade for an incredible S and boy what an incredible difference,
but i have a problem ..... :/
I don't like SENSE, so i'm looking for an AOSP as possible rom
I tried CM7, but all versions i tried (latest nightly, 7.1, older nightly) have problems with the camera :/ the image freezes, unless you rotate or select an option, then it moves again untill i stop using a setting or it has been rotated, and that is VERY annoying ....
also, when i install a tiamat kernell, the device hangs on the htc logo and does not boot .. I hoped that changing kernels would cure the problem
So I am looking for another rom to use, I want a stable, fully functional as AOSP as possible rom that is rooted and has an unlocked (overclockable) kernel
can someone point me in the right direction?
NB: i've been looking in the forums, but it's a lot of info and hard to find what i want ... I've been on MODACO the whole time i hade my blade, but for Incredible they have no lively community, so i'm putting my hopes on XDA
NB2: No need to tell me about S-off and how to install clockwork recovery, that has already been done
u don't like sense then go for android revolution hd..
it has an option to remove sense via no sense script..
it is most stable rom out there.
afaik, cm7 and miui are the only aosp roms available for our phone. someone correct me if i'm wrong.
one of the downsides of aosp roms for our phone is that the camera quality is not as good as sense roms. i've read that the reason for this is because htc has not released the code. until then, we are stuck with it. having said that, i've read that the miui camera is a bit better than the cm7 camera. you can try the miui rom or download the miui camera and try it with cm7.
Thank you for replying to my question.
I'm gonna go for Android revolution with Sense removed.
Actually I already did it, now all I need is an AOSP dialer to put in there, because the HTC dialer isn't really my thing.
Great phone by the way, i'm utterly impressed with everything so far
NB: the HTC camera app is awesome
You can try to use go launcher, or touchizwiz4 or any other custum launcher of all above doesn't do the job for you.
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then wth did u get the incredible s?
htc makes incredible s, htc makes sense.
you're not making any sense if u use aosp on a sense phone
shiningarmor said:
then wth did u get the incredible s?
htc makes incredible s, htc makes sense.
you're not making any sense if u use aosp on a sense phone
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Strange argument.
Raithmir said:
Strange argument.
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it's true
shiningarmor said:
it's true
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So if we want to use AOSP you're saying we should only buy a Nexus?
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So if we want to use AOSP you're saying we should only buy a Nexus?
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obviously. and a nexus's gpu is faster than incredible s
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obviously. and a nexus's gpu is faster than incredible s
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Why not wait for that new quad core HTC?
i was doubting between the nexus an the incredible.
but in the shop where i work (and where i get discount) we don't have the nexus
and the 8 MP camera did it for me. i never base my purchase on software, i just look at the hardware for android devices, then i turn to romswapping
now, does anyone know a good dialer from the market?
I want something similar to CM7 dialer, i tried installing it, but it f*** the phone
Oh.
And no offence, but saying that buying htc equals using sense is like saying you cant buy a windows computer and then put linux on it. Same thing
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a good dialer would be go dialer. basically go made most of everything.
go keyboard, go contacts,go sms, go dialer, go launcher.. etc etc
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ahh, but if u buy a windows pc, u can dual boot windows and linux. that makes it entirely different. a hybird i'd say. even if there's a dual booting program in android, it's still immature and can brick the phone anytime
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a good dialer would be go dialer. basically go made most of everything.
go keyboard, go contacts,go sms, go dialer, go launcher.. etc etc
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ahh, but if u buy a windows pc, u can dual boot windows and linux. that makes it entirely different. a hybird i'd say. even if there's a dual booting program in android, it's still immature and can brick the phone anytime
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That was just... stupid, some people actually buy a PC, reformats the HDD and then install a Linux dist, without dualbooting with Windows.
Are they stupid too?
No?
Didn't think so. Your argument sucks.
let's get back to phones..
for me selling point for htc phones is sense..you can argue as long as u want but it's d truth..that's y they r always looking to improve d sense and other's like samsung,motorola
are also trying to put a layer of there software on top of android.
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Splux said:
That was just... stupid, some people actually buy a PC, reformats the HDD and then install a Linux dist, without dualbooting with Windows.
Are they stupid too?
No?
Didn't think so. Your argument sucks.
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d people u r talking abt are programmers and app devs..not d casual user.
I've been dev'ing roms for the ZTE Blade and i been programming some android as well (not too much, just basic stuff). I'm not really a casual user.
It also wasn't my meaning to go dissin' Sense. I just happen to not like it. So I bought a phone after I checked that it was CM7 compatible, which the Incredible is, but unfortunatly the camera is broken on all non Sense Roms (CM7 and MIUI (tried both))
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d people u r talking abt are programmers and app devs..not d casual user.
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I was only trying to make a point, which I obviously failed with, so I'll just write my point in clear-text:
His argument is stupid, and he doesn't realize it.
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I've been dev'ing roms for the ZTE Blade and i been programming some android as well (not too much, just basic stuff). I'm not really a casual user.
It also wasn't my meaning to go dissin' Sense. I just happen to not like it. So I bought a phone after I checked that it was CM7 compatible, which the Incredible is, but unfortunatly the camera is broken on all non Sense Roms (CM7 and MIUI (tried both))
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Weird, for me the camera in CM7 (using a nightly, dunno which one though) works pretty good. Sure it lags if it's bad lightning, but I've never had a cellphone with a camera that's good enough so I can use it if it's dark...
But I can't compare with how it's in a Sense ROM, haven't been using a Sense ROM since I realized how unnecessery all the stuff from Sense is for me
@mandeep
thank you for making my point clear.
@splux
implying yourself that you failed to make your point clear, how can you tell my argument is stupid? it is actually you who failed to understand what i am pointing out. well you see, there is no point in getting a phone which runs primarily on sense. htc made phones with sense. and to run aosp on a sense phone is like playing mario on a dual gtx 590 pc computer.
ah, and yes. i agree that people who buys windows pc and run linux without dualbooting are developers, more to the networking sector. they arent stupid, but rather smart. because in linux, 95% of viruses wont affect your work, as they're written for windows only. so your argument is invalid.
by saying my argument is rather stupid, you made a fool out of yourself without realizing it.
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Weird, for me the camera in CM7 (using a nightly, dunno which one though) works pretty good. Sure it lags if it's bad lightning, but I've never had a cellphone with a camera that's good enough so I can use it if it's dark...
But I can't compare with how it's in a Sense ROM, haven't been using a Sense ROM since I realized how unnecessery all the stuff from Sense is for me
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I tried Cm7 older nightly, latest nightly and stable 7.1 and MIUI and all of them freeze the preview image of the camera on the screen, unless i rotate it or touch the settings, then the image moves, but it freezes again, the moment i stop touching the settings or when the rotation sequence is done .... strange isn't it ?
Also, when i flash a Tiamat kernel the device hangs on the HBOOT .... I have a 1.13 device, maybe thats it. Anyway, I just spent the last hours customizing the Android revolution zip file to my taste (since i have some ROM knowledge)
I got rid of most of the sense stuff (Hope i did not delete too much, hehe) and replaced some apps, removed bloatware and changed bootanim. Just the dialer is bugging me, but i'll have a look at godialer, i bet i find smth that suits me
Still too bad i cant use CM7 I really love it, but one of the key points of buying this phone was the camera, so if it's useless on CM7, I have to ditch it for another rom ....
Before any of you say anything negative this isnt to bug other devs this is a thread for people to request/ ask for things me and the other devs to do after they have finished their other projects.
-Firefox OS
-LG UI(fix lockscreen)
-CM7
-Sense 4.1
-cm10.1 WiFi and Bluetooth
-cm10 WiFi authentication issue
-S-OFF
-Roms for cdma version
-Sense 4.1.2
Just pop requests underneath and ill update reguarly.
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Before any of you say anything negative this isnt to bug other devs this is a thread for people to request/ ask for things me and the other devs to do after they have finished their other projects.
-Firefox OS
-LG UI
-CM7
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Sense 4.1 (If possible)
Shad0wPanda said:
Before any of you say anything negative this isnt to bug other devs this is a thread for people to request/ ask for things me and the other devs to do after they have finished their other projects.
-Firefox OS
-LG UI
-CM7
Just pop requests underneath and ill update reguarly.
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Hahaha, heres an LG UI Rom, iv'e had it for a while, just lockscreen doesnt work at all! so slide down NC and hit settings to unlock, then install a custom locker such as holo locker! I'll post in the dev threads when i can be bothered, but test that out..
http://d-h.st/2V2
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i think gettin bt and wifi implemented in cm 10.1 should be a good place to begin
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i think gettin bt and wifi implemented in cm 10.1 should be a good place to begin
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+1
but we really need the devs to go back to work
CM7 FTW
CM7 first ... it would be super buttery smooth for us ...
How are you so certain it'd be "buttery smooth"? Cuz I'm not sure, if not totally negative on that matter.
How are you so certain it'd be "buttery smooth"? Cuz I'm not sure, if not totally negative on that matter.
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Brnt you don't have to flash cm7... What's with all the gingerbread hate??
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I suggest we go back to XP then. It's going to run so much better on our new PCs!
It's not hate, you just get overexcited over nothing without even putting some though into it. Go on, prove me gingerbread will run smoother than JB/ICS, but without these facts your words are nothing.
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I suggest we go back to XP then. It's going to run so much better on our new PCs!
It's not hate, you just get overexcited over nothing without even putting some though into it. Go on, prove me gingerbread will run smoother than JB/ICS, but without these facts your words are nothing.
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I think you have your analogy wrong. Going from a newer version of Windows to an older version of Windows is pointless because...well...it's still Windows.
However, if you were to go from Ubuntu to, say, Slackware, you would definitely see a boost in performance because Slackware is far less taxing on the available resources. The same could be said about going from JB to GB. GB requires less resources and can therefore run smoother/faster on hardware designed for a higher version of Android. This is a well known fact throughout the Android community because nearly every JB or ICS based device has GB ROM development in some form or another.
It's still Android. Roughly 90% of the differences between JB/ICS and GB lie in the overall appearence, not the functionality.
IDEA
Or lets make CM10 even better
Like eliminate WiFi problems and hotspot problems etc :fingers-crossed:
What do you think?
S off would be good.
Not first priority though
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Phenziox said:
S off would be good.
Not first priority though
sent from CM10'd Desire C
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It would be very useful though but it's more HTCs job
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@soupmagnet, i agree entirely with that statement, however, where is the desire coming from for having GingerBread Roms? if it was desired so much, then why not buy a gingerbread phone in the first place? Would've been cheaper and there are still devices on the market, some with faster processors then the Desire C, if you wanted GingerBread, should've bought a GB Device, you don't go buy a brand new Windows 8 PC to deliberately downgrade it to a legacy OS like vista and limit the features you have access to. It lacks all logic in all honesty.. You don't go to sell a phone after use being all like, Yeah it has 2.3.5 GB on it, or brag to your mates, yeah my device is android 2.3.5, fact is 4.2.2 is the best android so far, Android has only improved over time, GB on our device is like an i7 with vista, you just don't do that kind of thing..
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@soupmagnet, i agree entirely with that statement, however, where is the desire coming from for having GingerBread Roms? if it was desired so much, then why not buy a gingerbread phone in the first place? Would've been cheaper and there are still devices on the market, some with faster processors then the Desire C, if you wanted GingerBread, should've bought a GB Device, you don't go buy a brand new Windows 8 PC to deliberately downgrade it to a legacy OS like vista and limit the features you have access to. It lacks all logic in all honesty.. You don't go to sell a phone after use being all like, Yeah it has 2.3.5 GB on it, or brag to your mates, yeah my device is android 2.3.5, fact is 4.2.2 is the best android so far, Android has only improved over time, GB on our device is like an i7 with vista, you just don't do that kind of thing..
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The problem with your logic is that Gingerbread based devices (with a few exceptions) only have hardware that is capable of meeting the low demands of Gingerbread.
For many people, the worth of their device is in its functionality, not its "bragging rights". I will never have Windows on my computer simply because of the features it provides. I use Linux, because of it's speed, stability and and overall functionality. ICS and JB do have some nice additional features, but at a noticeable cost of available resources and stability, and the overall functionality is still nearly the same. While higher versions of Android do provide some "improvements", they are mostly linked to the user interface (which many people don't necessarily like) and there are very few performance improvements. So for you to say that it "lacks all logic" is, well, illogical in itself.
While you may like what JB and ICS have to offer and prefer that for your daily driver, I don't think it's fair to ridicule others' personal preference in Android versions, considering the majority of changes between these versions are exclusive to the UI and not Android itself.
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Getting back on topic...
It would be nice to see more CDMA support though. I have a shell script, based on bin4ry's exploit, to root the CDMA variants, but it needs to be converted over to Windows' batch scripting language. If anyone wants to have a go at it, just let me know.
As far as ROMs are concerned, we can use the existing GSM ROMs, but a patch will need to be made. It wouldn't be that difficult to implement and would be much easier than creating all new CDMA ROMs.
The biggest problem would be getting a working recovery. I tried unpacking the existing (GSM) recovery and replaced the kernel with the phone's stock kernel but it didn't work out very well. I think a new recovery would need to be built from source, but I'm running into strange compile errors when compiling the stock kernel from source. I don't have experience building custom recovery so it's going to be challenging trying to figure everything out, but I think I can handle it.
Clearly, the need for CDMA support is low, but it's far from non-existent. I'm more than willing to take the reigns on this project, but I may have to take advantage of some of the experience around here, assuming there are those willing to lend a hand.
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The problem with your logic is that Gingerbread based devices (with a few exceptions) only have hardware that is capable of meeting the low demands of Gingerbread.
For many people, the worth of their device is in its functionality, not its "bragging rights". I will never have Windows on my computer simply because of the features it provides. I use Linux, because of it's speed, stability and and overall functionality. ICS and JB do have some nice additional features, but at a noticeable cost of available resources and stability, and the overall functionality is still nearly the same. While higher versions of Android do provide some "improvements", they are mostly linked to the user interface (which many people don't necessarily like) and there are very few performance improvements. So for you to say that it "lacks all logic" is, well, illogical in itself.
While you may like what JB and ICS have to offer and prefer that for your daily driver, I don't think it's fair to ridicule others' personal preference in Android versions, considering the majority of changes between these versions are exclusive to the UI and not Android itself.
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I stand corrected, thankyou for clearing that up for me, i never thought to look at it in this way, however, when you do get a working recovering, i do so believe i added cdma support in SHTD, the rom was both configured for cdma and for gsm, as it is in the build.prop also!, however a cdma aosp kernel would be needed
cm10.1 wifi bluetooth fixed would be a cool rom... Devs plz fix it... We noobs will be greatfull to you......:laugh::laugh::good:
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cm10.1 wifi bluetooth fixed would be a cool rom... Devs plz fix it... We noobs will be greatfull to you......:laugh::laugh::good:
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Don't rush them. They have other stuff to do. If you want it done, you could learn and try it yourself.