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Hey folks, I'm hopping over to a new provider and they're offering me a smartphone, free of charge, and the list boils down to the LG O2X or the Nexus S (the two phones are priced the same according to this provider). I currently have a Galaxy S but it's not compatible with the new provider's bands.
On paper, the LG O2X seems to be the sound winner, but we all know that here at XDA hardware specs aren't everything.
I'd like to ask how the custom firmware selection is like with the LG O2X? Is it as easy to flash as the SGS and the Nexus S? How's the stock LG firmware? What are the ups and downs of the LG O2X?
Thanks
As a O2x owner, i say: GO FOR NEXUS S!!!
honestly, as long as nvidia doesnt release its sources,
go for nexus s.
will save you alot of headache
on paper o2x wins in specs
currently its performance is much better, but on updates and future custom rom development, its tied down because of nvidia
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Thats correct nvidia sucks. The driver lines are not gona be relased .
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dandeli21 said:
Thats correct nvidia sucks. The driver lines are not gona be relased .
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They're not?
-sandro- said:
They're not?
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Dude can't even spell, its just his opinion.
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if u can wait for CM9 on O2x, better buy this phone
but if u want the latest and fastest upgrade, go for nexus
Majority here doesn't seem to be speaking too highly of the O2X, which is surprising since its specs are better than the Nexus S'... Would you guys say that the lack of support from nVidia is a deal breaker here? I'm also wondering how the 1080p video recording is like on the O2X since the Nexus S doesn't even record in 720p
I had a Nexus S for about a week before I got my O2X, the O2X is better, but the Nexus S has better stock software.
I wasn't interested in stock, so that made no difference to me.
go for lx o2x
now i`m using 2 phones: o2x and galaxy S
the o2x loads everything faster than the galaxy , even the original android apps (market , contacts )
both phones are running miui and as I said , o2x is better.
If you don't wanna flash anything but stock, go for the Nexus S.
If you are gonna flash a custom rom, O2X is just better in every field.
I actually think O2X is still the best Quality/Price on the market, if you are gonna play with custom roms.
Actually I'm on rooted stock gb 20m. I prefer this over the other roms I have tried. I also think the O2x is the best deal there is.
As a os2x owner I can tell you without a doubt go for it.
The only advantage you get from the Nexus is ICS, which, if you face reality, really isnt enough of a reason to buy worse hardware.
Os2x is nicely supported on CM7 and works great there, the Tegra2 gpu gives you exclusive access to several titles that utilize Nvidia extensions and overall you will have nice lagfree package with it.
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Nexus S with no doubt. Even has more memory to use.
I have both.
if you want to use stock ROM, go for Nexus S (it already have official ICS now).
if you want to use custom ROMs, go for O2X. you can learn a lot of things with it.
wapz said:
Nexus S with no doubt. Even has more memory to use.
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No. No it does not.
It has the exact same amount to use. Exactly. The Nexus S has 512MB total, with 128MB reserved for the GPU. Identical to the O2X's config.
Rusty! said:
No. No it does not.
It has the exact same amount to use. Exactly. The Nexus S has 512MB total, with 128MB reserved for the GPU. Identical to the O2X's config.
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I guess he ment on internal storage. 8vs.16.
P.s. One off topic question. I thought that "reserved ram for gpu" is only with tegra SoC. Do all SoC reserve from "specified" ram for gpu?
I am wondering if the LG OB hardware specs will be enough to have a fluid experience running ICS. Given that this device has only 512MB of RAM and a single core 1GHz CPU, do you guys think we could have an overall good experience running ICS (e.g. no lagging)? CPU IMO seems to be the least of the concerns, but what about the RAM capacity? I've read somewhere sometime ago that Google stated that any GB capable device, would run ICS with no issues, but I've also read in a forum that 512MB is the minimum required to run it so we might be on the edge. What do you guys think?
Important: This is not a thread to discuss whether or not LG will be pushing out the ICS update or when so let's try to be focused on the topic.
I am certain the Optimus Black has adequate hardware capabilities to handle ICS.
Apart from CPU and Ram, GPU is the next criteria for ICS which demand 2D acceleration to be handle by the GPU.
It is just up to LG / Cyanogenmod community to bring it to life.
it can handle...otherwise it wouldnt get the official update!
Keep one thing in mind that :
"Any device that can run Gingerbread can also run ICS" (according to google).
Its not possible when we have useless TouchWiz like Samsung bcoz it takes alot of RAM
I actually sold my Galaxy Tab when I heard that Samsung will not be releasing ICS for Galaxy S or Tab while it was only 9 months old !
So its useless to have a device that has no future support from manufacturer.
Millions of units of Galaxy Tab & Galaxy S were sold worldwide & Samsung embarrassed millions of user by just making excuses
Plus if mid-range Sony Ericsson phones can run ICS (via official update) then why now Optimus Black?
Come on guys it has 1GHz CPU.
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Come on guys it has 1GHz CPU.
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Well technically the Black doesn't have 1 Ghz processor, it's just factory overclocked to reach that.
As for ICS, I wouldn't expect the official update to be out until 2013
I think the OB can handle ICS very well.
If the GT540 (my old phone) is able to run ICS (still BETA but it works) then
i see no difficulty in running ICS on the OB.
Mick2K said:
I think the OB can handle ICS very well.
If the GT540 (my old phone) is able to run ICS (still BETA but it works) then
i see no difficulty in running ICS on the OB.
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OB is certainly able to handle ICS since Nexus S is able to use 4.0 with the same specification to OB. (1GHz CPU, 512MB Ram, but more powerful GPU SGX540)
yes, Galaxy S has some full working ICS ports, also on Galaxy SL i9003, which has the same hardware as our OB, there are some devs working on ICS
Theoretically yes. But will there be a stable and usable ics rom is another question. I am pretty sure before that I would be with another newer phone already. Now let's enjoy gingerbread first.
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ICS needs 1ghz cpu & 512 mb gpu. the black has both. i don't know what will happen with the stock ics as it will have the lg bloatware & the optimus ui, but with AOSP projects and trees like cyanogenmod,i think it can not only run,but run very well on our black.
and btw, the black uses tiomap 3630 & cortex a8 combo, i think it's stock 1ghz and NOT factory overclocked. the 3610 chipset would have been overclocked 2 get 1ghz, not 3630.
My Nexus S runs ICS AOSP+ 4.0.3 + M4trix Kernel flawlessly & very smooth. I also can OB & NS have similar hardware configuration, so it must be supported! CM9 already on its way afaik
I think OB can handle it as LG stated it in their schedule of ICS upgrade for their optimus phones.
achyut said:
i think it's stock 1ghz and NOT factory overclocked. the 3610 chipset would have been overclocked 2 get 1ghz, not 3630.
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If you peek at knzo's notes while developing his Nova, it is factory overclocked which it explains why the Black is never stable when overclocked to 1.2Ghz and above. Here's another android phone using the very same processor clocked at the stock speed: Defy.
Just to be clear I'm not sourgraping but CM9 may just be our only hope for ICS (at least ICS before the end of 2012).
Since there is an ICS Beta avaiable for the GT540 (600Mhz) i think the OB will do just fine
now who went on to tell you ics requires 1ghz and 512mb... google for android developer phones and you will be surprised at the minimum spec needed for ics... these are the phones on which fw are developed and it is required that fw runs on them smoothly... the minimum reqs are so low that even 600ghz 256mb can handle it...
ps:no gpu required too
Ricardo said that every device with 512 MB ram and more will be supported by CyanogenMod
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in regard to my previous post (2 posts up) current dev phone is htc magic with only 192mb ram (unlike the 288mb that aired the market) and 528mhz arm cpu so that means ics was developed and should run on it. The galaxy nexus is the advanced dev phone and that is a totally different matter. This means that black will be more than adequate to run ICS compared to the htc magic's specs... It would be lame to asume that google is developing towards the high end users as even as we speak 1ghz is starting to become the standard on market and still it isnt if you look at the low end devices that are released out there still... There will be still some time till 1ghz/512 ram are considered the standard (not by users but by companies that is) so it is safe to assume that you will be ok for quite some time with black (and me with o3d). Hell my kid's huawei joy (aka vodafone joy845) has beta versions of ICS running and it is th lamest phone I ever layed my hands on.
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If you peek at knzo's notes while developing his Nova, it is factory overclocked which it explains why the Black is never stable when overclocked to 1.2Ghz and above. Here's another android phone using the very same processor clocked at the stock speed: Defy.
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from wikipedia (emphasis added):
3630-800MHz(underclocked): Motorola Bravo, Motorola Defy;[6]
3630-1000MHz(Default Speed): Nokia N9, Nokia N950, Sony Ericsson Vivaz, Motorola Milestone 2,Motorola Cliq 2, Motorola Defy+, Palm Pre 2, Droid X, Droid 2, Archos 101, Archos 70, Archos 43, Archos 32, Archos 28, LG Optimus Black, LG Optimus bright L-07C, Samsung I9003 Galaxy S(C)L, SAMSUNG GALAXY 7 TAB (P1010) Wifi Only, LG-LU3000 Optimus Mach, Panasonic P-07C, Panasonic Sweety 003P
3630-1200MHz(overclocked): Motorola Droid 2 Global
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I had heard that Nvidia hasn't released some drivers/source code for ICS and hence ICS is not possible on tegra devices !!
If that is so, then how some ICS roms like owains and hei's have came up - ?
Also i read a post nearly 4 weeks ago in dev section that Nvidia has released the source code...!!
Will someone help to clear my confusion whether all drivers have been released or not
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Because we have good devs doing good work here in xda and among the cyanogen team.
nexus2515 said:
I had heard that Nvidia hasn't released some drivers/source code for ICS and hence ICS is not possible on tegra devices !!
If that is so, then how some ICS roms like owains and hei's have came up - ?
Also i read a post nearly 4 weeks ago in dev section that Nvidia has released the source code...!!
Will someone help to clear my confusion whether all drivers have been released or not
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they are not released otherwise we did have full hardware accelaration now
but hey we got arcee the cyanogenmod maintainer of the p990 and he is really awesome!!
I don't 100% understand the matter, but does this mean something good for us?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nvid...-is-there-hope-for-driver-development_id27845
Would be very much appreciated if a developer close to the matter say something about this
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I don't 100% understand the matter, but does this mean something good for us?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nvid...-is-there-hope-for-driver-development_id27845
Would be very much appreciated if a developer close to the matter say something about this
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well they said they will be givin us ics blobs
sources will ofc be much better but we are also happy with blobs
Hmm...Thank god we have such great hard working Devz
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Also i wanted to know one more thing -
What is NEON ??
i wanyed to use screencapture software which said that NEON is not supported by processor
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nexus2515 said:
Also i wanted to know one more thing -
What is NEON ??
i wanyed to use screencapture software which said that NEON is not supported by processor
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NEON is hardware base floating point emulation which is released in cortex-a8 and in some cortex-a9. for example processor used in Samsung Galaxy S. We have software based vfpv3 vectorization in o2x. HW accelated NEON could work much better in many aspects like video decoding etc.
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spica1234 said:
NEON is hardware base floating point emulation which is released in cortex-a8 and in some cortex-a9. for example processor used in Samsung Galaxy S. We have software based vfpv3 vectorization in o2x. HW accelated NEON could work much better in many aspects like video decoding etc.
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It is a shame that neon isn't supported by the Tegra 2
Tegra 2 series
The second generation Tegra SoC has a dual-core ARM Cortex-A9 CPU (lacking ARMs advanced SIMD extension, marketed as NEON), an ultra low power (ULP) GeForce GPU with 4 pixel shaders + 4 vertex shaders,[14] a single-channel memory controller with either LPDDR2 at 600 MHz or DDR2 at 667 MHz, a 32KB/32KB L1 cache per core and a shared 1MB L2 cache.[15] There is also a version of the SoC supporting 3D displays; this SoC uses a higher clocked CPU and GPU.
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ICS related discussions here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347118
We have Optimus L7 here in Canada. It has similar spec as our OB and comes with LG stock ICS.
It would be very awesome if someone can port the ICS from the device for the developers.
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Actually I just googled it and found a link about the ROM. http://bit.ly/IAufHI
Yeah i believe this official ics can help our developers here
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i have the same question
LG OB L7 has not, unfortunately, the same specification as LG OB :-( contains Cortex -A5 CPU and graphics chipset adreno in port will be a problem with drivers for hardwer LG OB ...
L7 is not similar to OB at all..remember for a "port", the primary facets needed to match (in order of importance and relevance) are chipset, cpu architecture, Gpu, screen resolution(to some extent), same radios, etc.
Indeed nothing matches between these two, apart from both being LG.
no its imposible, L7 have Qualcomm MSM7227A Snapdragon as chipset and OP TI OMAP 3630...
but FOP is working on ICS!!
Check here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIzNjE
good to read i know someday nvidia will join on aosp because thats android but they only provide for graphics open-source or this is the source that we wait for 2 years to have a better cpu and gpu, i really have no idea what the right codes that needed to take our soc to rise again
need to wait for the right and accurate answer
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is there any use for this?
Doubt these are useful at this stage. We have what we need for CM10 and this won't do anything to address the lack of Neon support for CM10.1.
Much of what powers ICS/Cm10 is based on proprietary libs for the star mobo anyways - this was cleared up many times when some people thought that sources for a different Tegra 2 phone could be used to build CM9/CM10 for the O2X.
They were late, as usual...
and what abt ubuntu?
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