So guys I'm tired of this failure of a phone so I thought it was about time to try something better. The Verizon reps have only offered me the Dinc2 thus far until I requested about the Droid 3 which they agreed to.
All I want to know is your opinion on the device. Mainly about the roms n tweaks you have. Coming from the Droid X2 we only have about two roms, and ICS would be nice to try out, how functional is it? And how is your satisfaction with this phone before and after root?
The locked boot loader definitely has hindered it but Hash has done amazing. This is a solid phone.
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My bigger complain is that there is only 512mb of ram, and that isn't really enough.
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I never have any RAM issues but I don't use the bloated stock ROM. Of course ICS runs beautifully.
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The Droid X2 has only 512mb of ram and a locked bootloader as well. Except the daul-core uses 100mb so only a total of 404 is available, is that the same with the omap processor? And X2 only has gotten as far as unofficial buggy cm7. /:
Hows the screen? Is a 4' qHD less pixely than my 4.3'?
Get Dinc 2 if you don't need physical keyboard.
It is going to get ICS officially and has 756MB of RAM.
Issue with D3 is that ICS is not officially confirmed, which means all the current bugs with ICS roms MAY not be resolved due to kernel issues.
DInc2 was actually enjoyable to use, D3 is just OK.
IMHO, dual core is over hyped.
Well I'm thinking in the long run IF D3 gets ics officially then the daul core will be a significantly better than single core Dinc. I love the more ram but I want the security of having a daul-core.
Try using both for a while at Verizon.
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Dual core vs 1 gig of ram... both nice to have but both are still a gimmick... i havent seen many apps that will chew up my ~400 megs (think its cloer to 230 with the system up) and with android reclaiming ram its never an issue, same with dual core, no software needs it (name something that uses it), and if it "does" try locking a core with setcpu or something and run it. Anything I've found runs the same w/1 1ghz core vs 2 1ghz cores. Maybe there isnt any software out there demaninding enough to make dual core useful? I personally would ask about htc or samsung phones trying to avoid moto
The physical keyboard is nice. And if you load a custom ROM of course it runs fine. The only reason I kill apps is because of battery.
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The guy basically just gave me an upgrade to any phone using a loophole that apparently gets me unlimited 4g. I'm looking at the Razr because of its $100 price unlike the Rezound (my favorite) which is $200.
I think the only difference is 4G between us and the RAZR. I mean the RAM and CPU speeds are different a bit but oh well.
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I'd say the keyboard is the deciding factor not whether it has dual core or 768MB ram
I agree with WP. If you bought the Droid 3 for any reason other then the keyboard, you bought the wrong phone.
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I am now getting the Rexound.
Thank you for all your help.
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Will the Bionic have a locked down bootloader like the droid x?
I have no knowledge on the subject, but I can only assume that it will.
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Yeah, Moto confirmed it. It can still be rooted though (I'm assuming) , which is the most important thing to me personally.
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I love this community, and the ability to try others' work. I think Moto will keep their products locked to a degree. Done with them yet holding on to my Droid.
Who knows though now that Xoom is unlocked, maybe Moto finally got the hint. We can all wish, but until the release comes, we won't know for sure
The Atrix 4G got locked down, but hopefully we will have better luck..... My Droid Eris is feeling slower by the day, but I won't use my upgrade on a locked-down phone.
I remember reading from a few different places that the bionic has a good chance of being unlocked. That's because the chip they are using in the bionic vs. D2 and dx. The d2 and x have a certain chip that needs to locked down or something but since the bionic has the Tegra processor it won't have that special chip. I hope this is the case.
is this phone even worth getting? i'm due for an upgrade and they been trying to throw the iphone4 at me but i've been waiting for this...now i wonder if this is a waste of time... my eris is driving me crazy so i want something fairly soon...this phone seems to be the only worthy choice though for verizon customers...are there any other competitive options besides this phone without switching carriers?
bill.mahoney said:
is this phone even worth getting? i'm due for an upgrade and they been trying to throw the iphone4 at me but i've been waiting for this...now i wonder if this is a waste of time... my eris is driving me crazy so i want something fairly soon...this phone seems to be the only worthy choice though for verizon customers...are there any other competitive options besides this phone without switching carriers?
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Thunderbolt? They believe they have a root for it already. And for sure is unlocked. It's for sure gonna have a great dev community.
oh. ok. i'll look into it more...i was under the impression it was for sprint like an evo2 replacement... didn't know it was verizon. ty
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I remember reading from a few different places that the bionic has a good chance of being unlocked. That's because the chip they are using in the bionic vs. D2 and dx. The d2 and x have a certain chip that needs to locked down or something but since the bionic has the Tegra processor it won't have that special chip. I hope this is the case.
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Chip's called e-fuse
The atrix boot loader is signed not encrypted
I expect the same will happen to the bionic as its basically an atrix with less RAM and a larger screen
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The atrix boot loader is signed not encrypted
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Good News!!! And I definitely want the Bionic because the Thunderbolt is essentially the Evo 4g with less battery but more ram(768mb vs 512mb). It also is essentially the same thing as the Droid Incredible, but with 512mb vs 768mb of ram.
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Good News!!! And I definitely want the Bionic because the Thunderbolt is essentially the Evo 4g with less battery but more ram(768mb vs 512mb). It also is essentially the same thing as the Droid Incredible, but with 512mb vs 768mb of ram.
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not really as the signed partitions and the bootloader is essentially checked each boot
devs are working to see if we can bypass it or something....but at least it isn't encrypted which gives the devs a slightly higher chance of finding a fix vs having the bootloader encrypted
Not to get get off topic but I wish the root population was larger. Then when motorola does encrypt their phones then it's not like the lesser 5% of the phone purchasers being upset about it. Me getting this phone depends on if it's unlocked or not. I have friends all the time ask me to root their phone. I have a few friends that run custom roms that I put on. Not one of them has had a problem(knock on wood) I don't see a big risk in rooting and flashing custom roms, especially with how easy it is nowadays. That's my 2 cents
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not really as the signed partitions and the bootloader is essentially checked each boot
devs are working to see if we can bypass it or something....but at least it isn't encrypted which gives the devs a slightly higher chance of finding a fix vs having the bootloader encrypted
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I know that, but it's better news than if it was encrypted and/or had something similar to an e-Fuse, and that's what I meant in good news. I knew it wouldn't be the same as a Nexus S or Nexus One (which are Dev friendly), but my Eris had a bootloader (S-On) which so far as I can see is the same as a signed bootloader (correct me if I'm wrong). Hopefully, it'll just be a couple of weeks/months to crack it but (knock on wood) at least we won't be stuck with the situation Droid X owners have.
Also, unrelated note, but I played with a friends Atrix 4G for about 30 minutes, and a couple things......
Good
1. Fast as hell! (In apps, games, typing, etc) Very lag free! (see below)
2. In game, incredibly smooth and great looking screen. Better than other friend's Droid Incredible, and colors look nearly as good as my old Zune HD.
Bad
1. Home screen lags quite badly. My friend had lots of apps on desktop and though the Live wallpaper and app drawer were smooth, switching left to right was laggy.... Very nitpicky but annoying.
Overall, I still want the phone (more than before), and want Cyanogenmod on this thing badly!
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Good News!!! And I definitely want the Bionic because the Thunderbolt is essentially the Evo 4g with less battery but more ram(768mb vs 512mb). It also is essentially the same thing as the Droid Incredible, but with 512mb vs 768mb of ram.
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Not really, the thunderbolt has a new generation snapdragon, between that and the extra ram, and better video processor, it's actually WAY faster than an Evo 4G. Out of the box quadrant scores are around 1975, and general performance is really much better than an Evo in every way. (not saying it's faster than a bionic obviously, but it definitely isn't the same thing as an Evo).
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Not really, the thunderbolt has a new generation snapdragon, between that and the extra ram, and better video processor, it's actually WAY faster than an Evo 4G. Out of the box quadrant scores are around 1975, and general performance is really much better than an Evo in every way. (not saying it's faster than a bionic obviously, but it definitely isn't the same thing as an Evo).
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Thanks for clarifying. When I looked to check facts for the comparison, it only said 1 ghz Snapdragon, so I assumed the same CPU/GPU as the first gen.
still the tegra 2 is a faster processor ... otherwise its more of a wait and see...
I have decided to wait for the bionic instead of getting the thunderbolt... unless the tb comes out tomorrow... but that is very unlikly.
im so sick of seeing people compare the evo to the thunderbolt, first things first, LTE is better than WiMAX. Second of all the processor arent even close, and you know on the evo if you use a task killer, it might have 250mb or RAM free, when you do it on the bolt, you will have overmb free, it will never lag. ever. and the only time it will fall behind the bionic or atrix is gaming, thats it
Is it worth the upgrade for let's say upgrade cost of less than $50?
D2 appear to be same generation OMAP chip (not the same chip, but same G3) just clocked higher at 1Ghz, but I am currently OC'ed the D1 to around 1Ghz as well.
Should I just wait around until better newer phones drop the price or is this worth the jump for cheap price difference?
It looks like if I wait few more months, Droid X2 may drop below $100 (currently going for around $130-165 around my neighborhood according to CL) and that may be worth the wait.
I don't know.
What would you guys do?
In my opinion Iwould thimk it would be worth it just for the increase in internal memory (8g vs. 0.2g) ,that way you have your sd card availible for other media, I also think that would make it operate faster on apps because it would not have to go to the sd card for them,just my thoughts
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RAM. The Droid 2 has 512mb of RAM whereas the Droid 1 only has 256
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I had a D2 and I actually downgraded to the original droid for a couple reasons. The main being speed, like the OP said, you can just OC up to 1ghz. Not a big deal. And when you compare stock OS to stock OS the D1 is built on a more minimalistic OS enabling it to run faster.
As far as most other things I'll take the D2 but, alas, I blew out the flash memory in it.
I have a DROID X2 right now and the development community is a lot slower than a lot of other phones due to the lack of an unlocked bootloader. I'm highly considering buying an OG DROID from someone on craigslist and ROMing, Theming, Overclocking, and undervolting the hell out of it. I used to have a samsung fascinate back in the day and i could do just about anything with that phone since the bootloader was totally unlocked. I just wonder if the OG Droid is worth buying and replacing the DROID X2 that I have now.
What do you guys think? Is it worth the $75 OBO?
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This thread was actually titled differently when I posted it. I have no idea what happened to it. :I
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I got my OG droid recently with dock and 2 chargers for less than $50.
DROID X2 is droid 2, or is something diffrent ?
Droid 2 is only single core.
X2 is dual core tegra.
Droid x is more close to droid 2 but with larger screen and no physical keyboard and 8mp cam instead of 5.
X2 is different beast all together.
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You have a Droid X2 and want to get a Droid? I can't think why.
OK, we all like modding, theming, etc, but you have a little beast with Dual-core 1GHz ARM Cortex-A9 processor, ULP GeForce GPU, Tegra 2 AP20H chipset and 512MB RAM. It also has an FM Radio which the Droid doesn't and also a screen with 540 x 960 pixels, 4.3 inches (~256 ppi pixel density)
It is a way better device than Droid. So I would keep it and wait for development to start. I believe the bootloader will be unlocked just like Atrix' did.
And unfortunately I can't use it here in Greece as we only use GSM Networks and not CDMA's or I would buy it from you!
I absolutely love my OG Droid, but over the last 6 months it's started to get pretty frustrating. It is a really fun device and there are lots of great ROMs for it, but the internal memory is too small and it is starting to be way too slow, even overclocked. I've been waiting for what seems like forever for a phone that I've deemed worthy of replacing it, and the Galaxy Nexus should be it, if VZW will ever decide to release it.
i was thinking to buy an atrix , but found droid 3 (xt 860) . should i buy it instead of atrix? the price is just a little higher
please, can someone help? i have to decide in about one hour =/
...well, there's a lot more development with the Atrix over the XT860, that's for sure.
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i would stick it out for the galaxy nexus at this point, but thats just my personal opinion. i love my droid 3 (xt862) but yes the dev for xt860 is just showing due to jsut receiving an sbf.
I never had the atrix but I can tell you that the stock droid 3 is hella lagy for a dual core. Especially if you have animations on; actions take a couple of seconds to respond. Hope this helps
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thanks for all the feedback, i was loving the design but now i have my doubts if i should get an droid 3.
what is an sbf that you mentioned?
sbf is a basic recovery method back to OG stock. I will say taht the D3 is a hell of a machine. My benchmark scores are very high, even compared to other new devices. Bionic and Razr are very similar to the D3. I wouldnt say that it drags stock. Ive had an atrix, and it didnt score as high on my list as id hope, but you can unlock the bootloader on atrix and do some things you cant with the d3. tough decision, but i already told you what i'd do. what country are you going to use this device in?
im from brazil. here the price diference is huge, from atrix to droid 3, its about 80 dolars, from atrix to sgs2, its aboult 300 dolars.
i had a vibrant, that is gone for good. i spent easily more than 500 dolars fixing it lol (3 broken screens and some others stuffs)
So i dont want to spend too mutch on a new phone... from what i have seen, droid 3 seens to be the more atractive, except by the 512 mb ram. in fact i wanted a motorola phone, but it seens that the choices are limited and problematic. atrix is on market for a long time, and on my country it even doesnt have the oficial 2.3 yet. xt860 have gb, a better camera, the cool keyboard, but the 512 mb ram concerns me. what im looknig too, is for company suport, i want to buy an device that i know at least will have an oficial ICS.
After all, i really dont want an samsung anymore, passed a lot of time with it, my vibrant doesnt even have an oficial gb rom. LG is all about complain, so i think my choices are limited to motorola.
Can you give me a hand?
i understand what you mean. the 512 in the d3 is sufficient. its running faster than my xoom or handful of other devices. i wish i could tell you for sure what to buy. like i said, personally, i will be moving to the galaxy nexus very soon (but im not a GSM user either
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Yes. I previously owned the Atrix, there were so much problem with it after a few month that I nearly threw it against a wall from all the frustration caused.
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so, from this choices, should i move to a d3?
I haven't tried the other phones but I have the Verizon D3 and I put a custom ROM on here and it is nice. The keyboard is very nice to use and it is very possible to make it run as well as the newer Motorola phones such as the RAZR with a mild overclock.
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I will say I absolutely love my D3 and am sad it doesn't get more love. Mine has been snappy since even before installing custom roms... plus it's keyboard is exceptional (the main selling point for me, I can't have a phone without a KB!)
I'm quite pleased with my D3.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/04/motorola-atrix-hd/?m=false
Havent seen a post either here or the atrix 2 forum about it, so cheers!
No fingerprint reader?
Looks like shiit and has shiit specs to begin with. It has lower battery capacity than the original atrix which is unacceptable.
Only .5 Ghz (no extra core) more then original stuff plus little more pixels and no finger print reader. i only have two words for Motorola "Middle Finger" cos they probibally wont even unlock the boot loader hack they are trying to block the boot loader on existing phones.
Meh.. same old tricks again.
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Only .5 Ghz (no extra core) more then original stuff plus little more pixels and no finger print reader. i only have two words for Motorola "Middle Finger" cos they probibally wont even unlock the boot loader hack they are trying to block the boot loader on existing phones.
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.5 Dang, 1.5? Way better than many phones
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Doesn't look like the battery can be removed. Minor CPU bump, same amount of ram... only noticeable improvement here is the screen.
Tegra?
I thought that was a hardware key down there, too bad it was just a carrier wart.
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I'm sorry. It just doesn't scream "upgrade".
Atrix is a line of webtop supporting devices, processor/ram specs should be top priority and it already seems outdated with S3 having quad core and 2gb ram.
I can live with 2 powerful cores, but the phone is just screaming for a ram upgrade.
As a big fan of the original Atrix, I can't be any more disappointed with the 2 sequels.
AtrixHd fails for me for no fingerprint unlock button, only 1GB of RAM, low battery that appears non-removable (if you want to "look" like the RAZR Maxx then use their freakin battery), locked bootloader, and it only has HALF the internal storage as our phone.
Atrix HD has nothing that I want. Even the "updated screen" is just gonna kill the battery.
It's a shame that the OG Atrix>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Atrix HD>Atrix2...
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I'm struggling to decide whether this new Atrix HD is simply unimpressive or really unimpressive.
The dual-core thing isn't necessarily too much of a problem - hopefully it is Qualcomm Krait-based in which case, performance would be on a par with a quad-core A9. The smaller battery (in comparison to the original Atrix) doesn't exactly sound like a great idea, especially as the phone has a large HD display and is packing LTE...
I thought I had read somewhere recently that Motorola wasn't going to abandon fingerprint-scanners in high-end phones? Doesn't appear to be the case at present.
pre installed with ICS? I guess it will take more than 1 year to upgrade to Jelly Bean. Lol..
http://www.motorola.com/us/consumers/MOTOROLA-ATRIX%E2%84%A2-HD/MB886-ATRIX-HD,en_US,pd.html
This is in my opinion another downgrade from the Atrix 4G, just like the Atrix 2!
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Maringer said:
I thought I had read somewhere recently that Motorola wasn't going to abandon fingerprint-scanners in high-end phones? Doesn't appear to be the case at present.
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Apparently according to Briefmobile, Motorola uses model numbers in the 900's for "high end" phones. This puts all the Atrix models in the "medium" bracket.
http://briefmobile.com/atrix-hd-shows-up-on-motorolas-website-with-a-4-5-inch-hd-display?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+briefmobile+%28BriefMobile%29&utm_content=FaceBook
Its a good looking phone with pretty good specs, it will do good.
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I don't see any logical reason to upgrade to this piece of **** from my original atrix.
I almost forgot to add that the at&t logo looks like sheep poo.
So its compatible with the lapdock 100, so i would be interested to know if its compatible with the 500 with the ethernet, video out and sd card reader. That would at least give it something over the original atrix.
The atrix line is basically there for people who uses at&t and want webtop.
Yes, if you don't live in the US. You better avoid Motorola. Lol..
Internal 8gb?
So my Atrix 4G has 16gb internal & this has 8Gb not much of an upgrade really, might be better camera, but now looks like I will be leaving Motorola??
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So my Atrix 4G has 16gb internal & this has 8Gb not much of an upgrade really, might be better camera, but now looks like I will be leaving Motorola??
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It is weird how they are moving backwards with the Atrix line. I'd love to have the 1.5ghz dual core and I'm a sucker for big screens. Why can't they make a phone with our Atrix specs...just updated hardware (faster CPU, more ram, screen..)
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