Might be upgrading from an Atrix to a Raider in the next few days.
Any known issues with the Raider?
(like the Sensation's screen dust issue, etc.)
Biggest complaints?
What about this phone makes you recommend it? (..that is if you do even recommend it lol)
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Any known issues with the Raider?
(like the Sensation's screen dust issue, etc.)
Biggest complaints?
What about this phone makes you recommend it? (..that is if you do even recommend it lol)
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Not really. The only thing I get on occasion is that my LCD's colors will randomly wash out for 5 minutes or so for no good reason. Still readable, but just washed out.
Development community is not exceptionally large and neither AOSP nor Sense 4 has been ported. Likewise, whatever carrier you're on probably has better phones on offer nowadays.
It's a fine phone, sure. But if you're in the market to get a phone now, you're much better off getting the One X( or the One XL if you need/want LTE connectivity). And of course, there is the forthcoming SGS3. (Read: I don't currently recommend this phone.)
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Not really. The only thing I get on occasion is that my LCD's colors will randomly wash out for 5 minutes or so for no good reason. Still readable, but just washed out.
Development community is not exceptionally large and neither AOSP nor Sense 4 has been ported. Likewise, whatever carrier you're on probably has better phones on offer nowadays.
It's a fine phone, sure. But if you're in the market to get a phone now, you're much better off getting the One X( or the One XL if you need/want LTE connectivity). And of course, there is the forthcoming SGS3. (Read: I don't currently recommend this phone.)
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I notice the Android development section seems pretty small, even compared to the Atrix.
As far as better phones from my carrier- there are better ones but this would be buying from someone used for a great price. I am not trying to re-new my contract with my carrier right now
It's a great device
Headphones might disconnect with any type of movements even a deep breath otherwise I'm happy with it
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I notice the Android development section seems pretty small, even compared to the Atrix.
As far as better phones from my carrier- there are better ones but this would be buying from someone used for a great price. I am not trying to re-new my contract with my carrier right now
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This device's dev section has been through its trials and tribulations. Coupled with some ham-fisted modding, I think it's not going to grow any larger than it is now.
I did not know that you were going to get the device second-hand. I was just under the presumption that you were going to walk into a store and pick up the device new, as I would not have been able to recommend this over a new A-grade offering.
In this case, it's a fine phone. Unlike my OG SGS, the phone holds a charge, has a beautiful UI, and I really didn't feel bad about not having root or S-Off. Sure, I rooted and S-Off-ed, but I didn't find it especially necessary. Even specwise, it's not far off of the current generation of devices, really only lacking due to the Snapdragon S3 (vs any of the other offerings of today) and the screen (at a "measly" qHD instead of 720p).
I haven't really had any problems besides the screen thing, nor have I had the headphone issue that come at me bro has.
My basic verdict is this: If you're a tinkerer/flashaholic, you might want to look at an SGS2 instead. If you like a phone that works right out of the box, look no further.
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This device's dev section has been through its trials and tribulations. Coupled with some ham-fisted modding, I think it's not going to grow any larger than it is now.
I did not know that you were going to get the device second-hand. I was just under the presumption that you were going to walk into a store and pick up the device new, as I would not have been able to recommend this over a new A-grade offering.
In this case, it's a fine phone. Unlike my OG SGS, the phone holds a charge, has a beautiful UI, and I really didn't feel bad about not having root or S-Off. Sure, I rooted and S-Off-ed, but I didn't find it especially necessary. Even specwise, it's not far off of the current generation of devices, really only lacking due to the Snapdragon S3 (vs any of the other offerings of today) and the screen (at a "measly" qHD instead of 720p).
I haven't really had any problems besides the screen thing, nor have I had the headphone issue that come at me bro has.
My basic verdict is this: If you're a tinkerer/flashaholic, you might want to look at an SGS2 instead. If you like a phone that works right out of the box, look no further.
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I should have mentioned I would not be getting it brand new in the original post.
I had a SGS2 at the same time as my Atrix, I ended up selling it (great device though, also the resolution of the qhd of the atrix was nicer).
It seems like there isnt too much to complain about this phone.
Will it be getting ICS soon? I would look forward to that.
How about sense 3.5 (or at least just the amaze 3.5 camera) I dont want to flash one of these non-official ICS because I havent seen any for any device that is very stable and wont require me flashing every new version for it to be stable.
I do like to mod the phone but if like you mention the phone performs well without the need of a custom ROM, I would just keep the official ROM on it. I would like to root for titanium backup and setcpu control though.
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Will it be getting ICS soon? I would look forward to that.
How about sense 3.5 (or at least just the amaze 3.5 camera) I dont want to flash one of these non-official ICS because I havent seen any for any device that is very stable and wont require me flashing every new version for it to be stable.
I do like to mod the phone but if like you mention the phone performs well without the need of a custom ROM, I would just keep the official ROM on it. I would like to root for titanium backup and setcpu control though.
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If you're talking Raider, I'm presuming you're either Canadian, European, or South Korean.
AFAIK, South Korea's ICS has been CANCELLED. As for Europe and Canada's, nobody has heard a peep from the carriers or HTC. Safe to say, no.
The "non-official ICS" builds you see here ARE official HTC ICS Sense 3.6 builds; they're just built for the identical Telstra Velocity or AT&T Vivid, which have the exact same internals and function interchangeably (LTE support included). Provided that you S-Off (which instantly and irrevocably voids the warranty, as you have to interact with the circuit board), it's very easy to put ICS on in fully functioning capability.
Sense 3.5 can be found in GB ROMs like HoliRaider, which only need your bootloader to be unlocked, and a recovery to be flashed.
Rooting is ezmode. Just HTCdev unlock your bootloader, flash a recovery, and use the zergrush exploit. Search the forums for anything you don't understand.
Aus_Azn said:
If you're talking Raider, I'm presuming you're either Canadian, European, or South Korean.
AFAIK, South Korea's ICS has been CANCELLED. As for Europe and Canada's, nobody has heard a peep from the carriers or HTC. Safe to say, no.
The "non-official ICS" builds you see here ARE official HTC ICS Sense 3.6 builds; they're just built for the identical Telstra Velocity or AT&T Vivid, which have the exact same internals and function interchangeably (LTE support included). Provided that you S-Off (which instantly and irrevocably voids the warranty, as you have to interact with the circuit board), it's very easy to put ICS on in fully functioning capability.
Sense 3.5 can be found in GB ROMs like HoliRaider, which only need your bootloader to be unlocked, and a recovery to be flashed.
Rooting is ezmode. Just HTCdev unlock your bootloader, flash a recovery, and use the zergrush exploit. Search the forums for anything you don't understand.
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Canadian.
Thanks a bunch for all the help.
I did not know S-OFF immediately voids the warranty. I guess if I do pick it up the first thing I can do is call HTC to see what warranty is remaining on it. If the warranty is up or just about finished than it wont make a difference.
Unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty?
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It looks like Nottach's ICS can be flashed even with s-on? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586613&highlight=s-on
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Canadian.
Thanks a bunch for all the help.
I did not know S-OFF immediately voids the warranty. I guess if I do pick it up the first thing I can do is call HTC to see what warranty is remaining on it. If the warranty is up or just about finished than it wont make a difference.
Unlocking the bootloader does not void the warranty?
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It looks like Nottach's ICS can be flashed even with s-on? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1586613&highlight=s-on
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S-Off itself does not. The process to do it does, as you have to remove a panel on the back that is screwed in with a screw that has a "void" sticker on it. Of course, there are ways to circumnavigate that issue, but it's still pretty much void (they could probably tell if the screw has been used before; the black paint on it comes off really easily).
Unlocking the bootloader IIRC "limits" the amount of support that HTC can offer, but I don't think it voids the warranty outright. Might be wrong, though.
No, it can't, not for a phone other than a Telstra Velocity or AT&T Vivid. The essential thing to install ICS in the first place, is the HBOOT, which has to be ICS compatible. Other regions' Holidays don't have an updated HBOOT, and it cannot be flashed to a device from elsewhere without S-Off, as a RUU must match the model's CID. What S-Off allows you to do is to overwrite the CID with the "superCID", which then permits the flashing of any region's RUU, and the flashing of a new ICS HBOOT. At that point, then you're home free to install anything.
If I was currently in the market for a new phone, I would be waiting for the SGS 3's actual release so I could go hold one in my hand to see if it's as huge as it appears. Then I'd wait a week or so and see how the dev community is looking for it. If I hated the SGS 3 (which I'm guessing I will) then I'd go for the One X. Obviously, just my opinion.
I really do like my Vivid and the community support seems to be making a positive sweep, but there are little details of owning this phone that have me miffed. Nothing directly related to the phone itself, though.
just a heads up !!
at&t's onex's bootloader unlock is not supported by htc and as of now they say that it never will !!
htc doesn't take name for this and blames at&t for keeping the bootloader locked !
so an at&t htc onex (xl) is obviously not a developer's material !!
read more here : http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_talks_about_the_one_x_bootloader_at_t_is_to_blame-news-4211.php
and here : http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/05/att-htc-one-x-locked-bootloader/
this really sucks !
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just a heads up !!
at&t's onex's bootloader unlock is not supported by htc and as of now they say that it never will !!
htc doesn't take name for this and blames at&t for keeping the bootloader locked !
so an at&t htc onex (xl) is obviously not a developer's material !!
read more here : http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_talks_about_the_one_x_bootloader_at_t_is_to_blame-news-4211.php
and here : http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/05/att-htc-one-x-locked-bootloader/
this really sucks !
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Well, damn there you go. This is the same thing that happened with the Vivid after its release. The Vivid and the SGS2 were released "fairly" close to each other and most jumped ship from the Vivid once it was determined the BL was locked and went with the SGS 2. I guess the One X (or any other future HTC on AT&T) is most likely destined for dev abandonment from the beginning.
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Well, damn there you go. This is the same thing that happened with the Vivid after its release. The Vivid and the SGS2 were released "fairly" close to each other and most jumped ship from the Vivid once it was determined the BL was locked and went with the SGS 2. I guess the One X (or any other future HTC on AT&T) is most likely destined for dev abandonment from the beginning.
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This is why I plan to switch to Verizon at some point. Verizon has had LTE in both my area of residence and work for a while now. AT&T? Zippo.
Just my input, I came from the inspire and bought this one outright. I wanted qHD and in my situation it will be awhile till my upgrade. Also I am still in return policy if the oneX is that much better. So far I love it (two weeks in). Screen is very nice, not sure how much better 720p will be. One very important observation is the roms I've used for the vivid so far are of very high quality, so not a lot, but quality over quantity I guess. I'm on darkraider now and I'm loving it, there's tons of customization built in. The word on the locked bootloader of the oneX has me thinking I'm gonna stick with the vivid. Also when it came to s-off I was very careful and got the sticker back on completely intact. I've never had an issue with an HTC phone so knock on wood I feel pretty safe with this one. Other than that battery life for me has been great, usually 50% at the end of the day with moderate usage, and it's very fast especially with ics, not overclocked. Overall I'm very happy with it and very sure I'm gonna keep it.
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This is why I plan to switch to Verizon at some point. Verizon has had LTE in both my area of residence and work for a while now. AT&T? Zippo.
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I hear ya there. I've thought about Verizon mainly because my company would probably pick up the cost for me.
Mine will be here tomorrow. Also coming from Inspire. Got it 56$ shipped from Att (plus the 36$ upgrade fee that's added to my bill). I myself will never own anything but HTC.
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http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1 click the link people like it and comment on it.
I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them
Why are we discussing/petitioning something that we don't know? Has it been set in stone that manufacturers will not support us anymore or is this all stemming from paranoia?
Because it is the trend. And the atrix 2 has been released already. All the manufactures with the exception of sammy have been doing this more and more lately abandoning. Devices. And pumping out new ones. At a very fast pace
So you are saying they are not going to support the atrix anymore since they released the atrix 2? I'd rather wait till this actually happens before i draw a conclusion. e.g. when ICS gets released and they say they are not going to update the atrix.
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So you are saying they are not going to support the atrix anymore since they released the atrix 2? I'd rather wait till this actually happens before i draw a conclusion. e.g. when ICS gets released and they say they are not going to update the atrix.
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Look at the original Incredible.
My wife's one has been turned to **** since the 2.3.4 update, and nothing from HTC, and Verizon pretty much said too bad so sad. Buy another phone or deal with it.
So yes, support will be dropped for older models whether you like to assumed it or not.
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Look at the original Incredible.
My wife's one has been turned to **** since the 2.3.4 update, and nothing from HTC, and Verizon pretty much said too bad so sad. Buy another phone or deal with it.
So yes, support will be dropped for older models whether you like to assumed it or not.
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No it is obvious support is going to be dropped for old models. But he is implying that models released this year will not get support.
I think for every $10 a phone costs over $50 on launch day (on contract) is how many months it should be updated for. So a $300 phone should be kept updated for 25 months. So this would either keep phone prices lower or keep them updated.
Facebook is a poor way of getting the attention of corporations. You want them to change? Buy a nexus phone. Money talks.
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No it is obvious support is going to be dropped for old models. But he is implying that models released this year will not get support.
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I think ICS only has support for Armv7 currently, so phones with those SoCs will get updated. However, phones using custom UIs will experience a longer waiting time, maybe around early Q1 of 2012. HTC has released like 1000 phones in the last few months and I doubt most will get ICS soon, not sure if Moto will bother at all. But it might be better to wait and actually see what goes down, like you said.
Has HTC in fact locked a boot loader or withheld hardware drivers?
I intend for my next phone to be HTC just because of the hell Samsung put us though trying to get GB on the i9000.
Handsome Rob said:
Has HTC in fact locked a boot loader or withheld hardware drivers?
I intend for my next phone to be HTC just because of the hell Samsung put us though trying to get GB on the i9000.
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HTC new phones i believe i read come locked.
You can unlock them direct with HTC, but you loose all warranty. As per HTC.
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HTC new phones i believe i read come locked.
You can unlock them direct with HTC, but you loose all warranty. As per HTC.
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As I understand it, you lose all ROM related warranty, so for instance if your screen fails then you're still covered.
Motorola unlocking bootloaders ??
you should check this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316722
I had a motorola xt720.... not the best phone..but was ok. Motorola decided to stop supporting it within 4 months of launch or something stupid like that. No new updates no nothing. And still insisted on the bootloader staying locked so the dev's found it alot harder to do their job for them.
I will never ever buy a motorola product again.
The market is fairly competitive ... don't buy from companies that pull this crap
Hey guys, just wondering what your opinion is on how this locked bootloader issue has affected the potential development of this phone. How bad do you think it really is? Countless people have returned their phones. I'm sure many potential devs have strayed from this phone or HTC as a whole due to this issue. This is a damn good phone as stock, who knows how much better it could be if it were unlocked from the start. What do you guys think the development will be like once it does get unlocked?
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Hey guys, just wondering what your opinion is on how this locked bootloader issue has affected the potential development of this phone. How bad do you think it really is? Countless people have returned their phones. I'm sure many potential devs have strayed from this phone or HTC as a whole due to this issue. This is a damn good phone as stock, who knows how much better it could be if it were unlocked from the start. What do you guys think the development will be like once it does get unlocked?
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I've gotta think it'll pick up. The Inspire was the only "4G" HTC phone for a long time so I can't imagine HTC coming out with anything new on ATT for a little while at least so I gotta think if things do get rolling people will come.
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I've gotta think it'll pick up. The Inspire was the only "4G" HTC phone for a long time so I can't imagine HTC coming out with anything new on ATT for a little while at least so I gotta think if things do get rolling people will come.
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I sure hope so, but it is depressing to think how many people we have already lost and how much potential devlopment is lost. I'm not sure how big of a factor LTE is to people though, considering it isn't widely available. Not sure when the next AT&T HTC phone will be coming out, but locked bootloader or not, this thing is a beast and is getting ICS. I really don't see a better AT&T phone out right now. Samsung Touchwiz is boring, and so is the Samsung development. There's just so much more devs can do with sense.
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I sure hope so, but it is depressing to think how many people we have already lost and how much potential devlopment is lost. I'm not sure how big of a factor LTE is to people though, considering it isn't widely available. Not sure when the next AT&T HTC phone will be coming out, but locked bootloader or not, this thing is a beast and is getting ICS. I really don't see a better AT&T phone out right now. Samsung Touchwiz is boring, and so is the Samsung development. There's just so much more devs can do with sense.
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I'm kicking myself because I keep telling myself I'm just going to pay full retail and get international devices. I may still look for an Evo 3D or something, but although I'm in a non LTE area I can't wait for it to arrive.
I'll stick with this device and learn to develope for it should the day ever arrive. I'm sure if we ever get root, more devs will migrate. It is a truly capable device and a huge step from my tp2.
it will pick up some if the BL ever gets unlocked.
It really is sad that htc/att are dragging their feet on this. They are losing customers every day, I'm returning mine tomorrow. I really like the vivid but am a flashaholic. I have an amaze also and it doesn't really have much dev attention. I don't really understand why, it's also a great device. I honestly would probably be keeping my vivid if I didn't have the amaze, I'm a fan of the sense ui. I'll be giving the nitro a test for the next 30 days, it should be easy to root with super one click but as with most att devices it will probably take 3 weeks or so just to get a forum for it since it's not a Samsung device.
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It really is sad that htc/att are dragging their feet on this. They are losing customers every day, I'm returning mine tomorrow. I really like the vivid but am a flashaholic. I have an amaze also and it doesn't really have much dev attention. I don't really understand why, it's also a great device. I honestly would probably be keeping my vivid if I didn't have the amaze, I'm a fan of the sense ui. I'll be giving the nitro a test for the next 30 days, it should be easy to root with super one click but as with most att devices it will probably take 3 weeks or so just to get a forum for it since it's not a Samsung device.
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Could you return the Vivid, get another phone, and then return that phone and get a Vivid again? I'm just curious on how AT&T's return/exchange works. Is there a limit of some sort?
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Could you return the Vivid, get another phone, and then return that phone and get a Vivid again? I'm just curious on how AT&T's return/exchange works. Is there a limit of some sort?
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I'm considering this... But it won't be until tomorrow fir me, no time to spend in the AT&T store today.
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I'm considering this... But it won't be until tomorrow fir me, no time to spend in the AT&T store today.
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Yea, that's what I would probably do if I didn't buy my phone off-contract. Who knows when the next HTC phone on AT&T will come out. The last high end one was the Inspire and that was months and months ago. I think it'll be tough for these people that have always been with HTC to just switch and stay with another brand for a long period of time. Samsung UI is so boring it's not even funny.
Hmm right now I have a Samsung Captivate and I'm either going to the HTC Vivid or SGS2 and right now it seems like the Vivid is not the best option.
I flash ROMs weekly on my Captivate. I guess I was still ignorant and didn't know about HTC's decision to not keep the bootloader so open, like they promised.
Looks like the Samsung SGS2 is the better route...
I picked up a skyrocket because of the locked bootloader but as soon as its unlocked ill trade it for a vivid no doubt. HTC is good with making phones
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I need a new phone with a physical keyboard. Was looking at the Droid4, which appears to have the best physical keyboard around, but am a bit of a newb at this stuff. My old HTC Dream (G1) is dying, and I need to figure this out sooner then later. Haha
Can it be unlocked to work on Rogers Wireless in Canada?
As of right now, no.
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As of right now, no.
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Thnx. Is it a case of no unlock? Or (lack of knowledge here) no GSM support?
Also, once an android device is rooted, is there an unlock app of some kind? Or?
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Thnx. Is it a case of no unlock? Or (lack of knowledge here) no GSM support?
Also, once an android device is rooted, is there an unlock app of some kind? Or?
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Currently GSM support is disabled in the firmware and AFAIK it will stay that way until Verizon releases an update to enable it.
Was a bit disappointing they do not have the global services available on the Droid 4. If your looking for a device with keyboard right now you may be able to pick up a used Droid 2 Global. I know those work up there as I had one when I was in Canada last year.
All I can say is, damn. I can't believe how messed up the mobile phone industry is. There is a device, I want to use it, so much so that I'm willing to pay the crazy $549.99 pricetag for it. However, they've decided that I'm not allowed to use it on my network. I hope chinese clones step up their game! Heh.
I was contemplating a droid3, however don't want to spend too much since I may want the droid4 once its actually usable.
I was contemplating picking up a motorola flipout for the meantime, cheap and weird looking!
Also, this probably isn't the right place for a question about this, but I'm at a loss as to what the heck unlock codes actually are (are they issued by the carrier? or hardware manufacturer?) and why there are numerous scammy websites selling them. Can anyone recommend a site I can do some reading about this on? About why I'll probably have to pay for one? I may need to know this if I pickup a different used phone.
The SIM Unlock codes are usually given by the carrier to their paid customers. Verizon will give them out if you have had an account in good standing for 6 months if I recall right.
As for sites to get the unlock codes, I cannot make any recommendations due to I have never paid for them. I have however seen on sites like deals extreme unlocker SIMs that go between the phone and the SIM but have no idea if or how well those work.
Also if you buy a used device you may be able to get one that has been SIM unlocked already. The SIM unlock is a one time task, even if the phone gets wiped or reset it will remain SIM unlocked.
I still keep my G1 as a spare. My next step from that was a TouchPro2 - it comes with WindowsMobile, but I'm running XDAndroid on it. It has an excellent keyboard. I think I still like the TP2 keyboard better than my D4's keyboard.
But, the TP2 has the exact same processor as the G1, and only a tiny bit more RAM. It has a much higher screen rez (800x480) but no faster hardware, so it is noticeably slow.
If I were you I'd look at picking up a used Droid3. I was considering the D3 as my next phone from the TP2, but waited instead for the D4 to come out. As it is, I'm finding that Verizon's 4G service is cutting out all the time on me, so it's still better as a 3G phone. And I'm heading off to Europe in a couple weeks, and will have to bring my G1 or my TP2 on the trip anyway.
Curses to Qualcomm, Motorola, and Verizon. Verizon for their stupid policies and selling a phone with full-featured hardware and intentionally crippled software. Motorola for their locked firmware that prevents end-users, who have legitimately paid for and *own* the damn hardware, from installing software on it as they see fit. Qualcomm for preventing end-users (again, who have legitimately paid for and *own* the hardware) from even seeing the specifications so that they can provide their own software.
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All I can say is, damn. I can't believe how messed up the mobile phone industry is. There is a device, I want to use it, so much so that I'm willing to pay the crazy $549.99 pricetag for it. However, they've decided that I'm not allowed to use it on my network. I hope chinese clones step up their game! Heh.
I was contemplating a droid3, however don't want to spend too much since I may want the droid4 once its actually usable.
I was contemplating picking up a motorola flipout for the meantime, cheap and weird looking!
Also, this probably isn't the right place for a question about this, but I'm at a loss as to what the heck unlock codes actually are (are they issued by the carrier? or hardware manufacturer?) and why there are numerous scammy websites selling them. Can anyone recommend a site I can do some reading about this on? About why I'll probably have to pay for one? I may need to know this if I pickup a different used phone.
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Bell sells the Motorola XT860, I'm currently using it unlocked on Rogers without a hitch. The only issue, I'm not sure if this phone will get official ICS support... The devs are hacking away at getting all of the cool ICS features up and running though
You can probably find an XT860 on Kijiji, Craigslist or even eBay for a lot cheaper than the full Bell price... heck they were giving them away on 3 year contracts during xmas. You might want to check out the Droid3 forums in the meantime to get some more info on XT860
Fwiw, i'm in Ireland now and popped an Irish SIM into the phone. Interestingly enough, you can swap the SIM while the phone is powered on, in Airplane mode. It still didn't work, but the phone didn't complain about any SIM lock. But when I rebooted the phone, it complained then.
There are properties in /system/build.prop for enabling world-mode. I turned these on, but looking at the radio logcat, it seems that our current libril-xxx.so just doesn't support any GSM commands.
The interesting thing is that the Motorola Atrix has the same Qualcomm MDM6600 radio modem as this phone. I'm going to look for an Atrix ROM and see if I can kang some libril files from there to see if I can get any further. (Btw, I wrote the multimode RIL for the XDAndroid ROM; this sort of investigation is my specialty...)
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I hope they hurry with this. I want this phone now. Its ridiculous that users outside USA cannot use this phone.
Bump, any development?
HerrDarkShadow said:
Bump, any development?
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Look at the thread titled "Droid 4 for Hong Konger" in this forum for instructions on how to unlock GSM capability. This only came about a few days ago.
Dave Lister said:
Look at the thread titled "Droid 4 for Hong Konger" in this forum for instructions on how to unlock GSM capability. This only came about a few days ago.
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And it's still not stable from what I've read...
This phone is too early to jump into for me. I'll stick to my 4G Slide for now and check back on this device in a few months. Maybe development will pick up by then and they'll have the GSM thing sorted out
Bumping this again. Any news?
I'm in the same situation as OP. Need to upgrade phone (from a Desire Z) and want something with physical keyboard. Droid 4 seems like the best bet.
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Bumping this again. Any news?
I'm in the same situation as OP. Need to upgrade phone (from a Desire Z) and want something with physical keyboard. Droid 4 seems like the best bet.
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The phone worked fine for me on Rogers when I had it. I did a bunch of tweaking in order to get all of the functions working, but this was back in ICS. Also, no LTE is available...
But you're much better off going full touchscreen, just get used to it... I think keyboard phones are going the way of the dinosaur
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eksobr said:
Bumping this again. Any news?
I'm in the same situation as OP. Need to upgrade phone (from a Desire Z) and want something with physical keyboard. Droid 4 seems like the best bet.
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danifunker said:
The phone worked fine for me on Rogers when I had it. I did a bunch of tweaking in order to get all of the functions working, but this was back in ICS. Also, no LTE is available...
But you're much better off going full touchscreen, just get used to it... I think keyboard phones are going the way of the dinosaur
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OK guys this is perfect timing.. and i dont have much support for th eextra tweaking issues we have in Canada, with some of these phones and roms..
Anyhow. Heres my story.. You will like the ending!!
Ive owned a Droid 3 (XT860-BELLMOBILITY) for over a year now.. I came from the original Milestone 1 from Telus Mobililty.
4 weeks ago I had my Droid 3 stolen from me in the laundry room of my condo.. Well it was more.. forgotten by me (i think it was lost there.. for sure!!) and some lucky sole got their hands on it.. I can now use google and its cached pages of kijiji to see that it wass posted the day of.. lol ive got the kid selling other goods so its only a matter of time before i force karma upon him
I took a risk, but being desperate QWERTYDROID junkies like we are, and bought an American Verizon Droid 3 (XT862)
--Keep in mind that i knew nothing about unlocking, rooting, restoring, and doing the whole ROM/Bootstrap/TWRP/SAFEBOOT etc.. Im 35, been into pc's since i was 15, but never into MAC or LINUX.
At this point ive bricked these phones and the next one i speak about dozens of times, while attempting to do the practice makes perfect sort of journey to see what works, what doesnt, what sometimes does, etc.. Its always ended up being able to use the original stock rom's with no problems. (sometimes bloatwear was anoying) but not much support for our radios and etc.
So i had a bit of trouble getting this verizon droid 3 up and running as verizon themselves gives us extra work by trying to secure the load up of the activation process. Either way.. it worked, and still does, and ive gotten a few roms working on it like all SteelDroid, CM10.1, MiniMoto, and possibly a couple others. but these were the ones that can and will work, with a bit of trial and error.
shoot gotta run for a few minutes. so i wanna post this so i dont lose it all.
PART 2 of this story to follow within an hour!! But ill give you a bit of a spoiler.
I am using a Droid 4 now.. as a poster said justr before me, he had many issues to get past, well so did I, but them came the huge hurdles to get over also..
Still have my droid 3 xt862 that was wanting to sell. though,, im still not for certain ready to part with it..
be back shortly sorry about this..
next part in next post
What happened????
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eksobr said:
Bumping this again. Any news?
I'm in the same situation as OP. Need to upgrade phone (from a Desire Z) and want something with physical keyboard. Droid 4 seems like the best bet.
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As far as I'm aware, there shouldn't be any problem getting this to run on a GSM network outside the United States. If the phone is on ICS or JB the GSM is unlocked already. If you use any of the ROM's, there's a thread in the "Droid 4 Android Development" called "Enable GSM on any ROM Patch" which should fully enable it.
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I need a new phone with a physical keyboard. Was looking at the Droid4, which appears to have the best physical keyboard around, but am a bit of a newb at this stuff. My old HTC Dream (G1) is dying, and I need to figure this out sooner then later. Haha
Can it be unlocked to work on Rogers Wireless in Canada?
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I have a Droid4, updated with android 4.1, and I can confirm you that it works with Rogers
Hi all,
I've been looking out for a pre-owned M7 & came across one seller who has a 3UK M7 that's on 4.4.3.
Before committing, I wanted to ask -
Can this phone be de-branded? He gets the 3UK logo when it boots up.
Also can I flash any custom ROMs ?
Any limitations using a 3UK device? No S-Off, no updates, etc?
Thanks,
Jude
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Hi all,
I've been looking out for a pre-owned M7 & came across one seller who has a 3UK M7 that's on 4.4.3.
Before committing, I wanted to ask -
Can this phone be de-branded? He gets the 3UK logo when it boots up.
Also can I flash any custom ROMs ?
Any limitations using a 3UK device? No S-Off, no updates, etc?
Thanks,
Jude
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Hi you have posted in the wrong thread you should move your question here http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one/help
I have a HTC One on 3UK And you can get an unlock code from Three for free, stock 4.4.3 on 3UK has problems the signal drops all the time it's horrible you want to avoid that version at all costs but first you want to unlock the bootloader can be done at HTC dev then try and get S-OFF, then Upgrade to the latest firmware and install a rom of your choice
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Hi you have posted in the wrong thread you should move your question here http://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-one/help
I have a HTC One on 3UK And you can get an unlock code from Three for free, stock 4.4.3 on 3UK has problems the signal drops all the time it's horrible you want to avoid that version at all costs but first you want to unlock the bootloader can be done at HTC dev then try and get S-OFF, then Upgrade to the latest firmware and install a rom of your choice
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Thanks for your reply, how do I move to the thread you suggested?
It's also network unlocked, just that I want to unlock boot loader and achieve S-Off. I've been out of touch, hence asked for advise. Any negative getting this phone, is it different hardware wise compared to the AT&T, T-Mobile variants?
Lastly, I'm aware & have been informed by the seller about a slight pink tint that occurs, is that software or hardware?
Thanks,
Jude
judebrent87 said:
Thanks for your reply, how do I move to the thread you suggested?
It's also network unlocked, just that I want to unlock boot loader and achieve S-Off. I've been out of touch, hence asked for advise. Any negative getting this phone, is it different hardware wise compared to the AT&T, T-Mobile variants?
Lastly, I'm aware & have been informed by the seller about a slight pink tint that occurs, is that software or hardware?
Thanks,
Jude
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No problem and to be honest i don't know how to move a post lol
Right 3UK is an international version so it's GSM only so no CDMA I don't know alot about US carriers so i can't help you there sorry but you might need to install an older rom to get S-OFF all info is in the threads http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158151
I have the pink tint too Unfortunately it's a hardware problem but you can return to HTC for free repair, it happens when the phone gets really hot, when gaming or using while charging, Ask the seller to take a picture might not even be that bad i've only got a small area in this middle i don't really care the camera isn't that great anyway's, if you can get an M8 go for it
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No problem and to be honest i don't know how to move a post lol
Right 3UK is an international version so it's GSM only so no CDMA I don't know alot about US carriers so i can't help you there sorry but you might need to install an older rom to get S-OFF all info is in the threads http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2158151
I have the pink tint too Unfortunately it's a hardware problem but you can return to HTC for free repair, it happens when the phone gets really hot, when gaming or using while charging, Ask the seller to take a picture might not even be that bad i've only got a small area in this middle i don't really care the camera isn't that great anyway's, if you can get an M8 go for it
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I have 2 more deals one for the M8 & the other being the Galaxy S5. What would you suggest? Which is a better phone on the whole?
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I have 2 more deals one for the M8 & the other being the Galaxy S5. What would you suggest? Which is a better phone on the whole?
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Nice To be honest its down to personal preference there both great devices, if you can test them both see which you like best, i prefer HTC over Samsung, Sense is great if you wanted to stay stock, the build quality is amazing on the M8 as for the battery life and alot of nice Roms for it but to the S5 touchwiz is awful laggy and bloated with unwanted features and feels cheap in the hand, I've not really used the S5 so can't say much about it, If you want my opinion I'd get the M8, but if it really come's down to it the M7 is still a great device, Development is still ongoing so alot of roms, kernals ect It will get android L when it's released mines still going on strong
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Nice To be honest its down to personal preference there both great devices, if you can test them both see which you like best, i prefer HTC over Samsung, Sense is great if you wanted to stay stock, the build quality is amazing on the M8 as for the battery life and alot of nice Roms for it but to the S5 touchwiz is awful laggy and bloated with unwanted features and feels cheap in the hand, I've not really used the S5 so can't say much about it, If you want my opinion I'd get the M8, but if it really come's down to it the M7 is still a great device, Development is still ongoing so alot of roms, kernals ect It will get android L when it's released mines still going on strong
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I did research and came to the conclusion - the M7 is almighty. I am just scared about the Pink tint! Now that you've told me, I can de-brand, S-off and flash custom ROMs as well as get Android L, only concern is the camera, although I am not a heavy camera user. I use it only occasionally! You think it's an issue for less to moderate usage?
Thanks
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I did research and came to the conclusion - the M7 is almighty. I am just scared about the Pink tint! Now that you've told me, I can de-brand, S-off and flash custom ROMs as well as get Android L, only concern is the camera, although I am not a heavy camera user. I use it only occasionally! You think it's an issue for less to moderate usage?
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Well like i said get the seller to take a picture with the camera and send you then you can judge if it too bad or not noticeable i don't really use the camera just snapchat and mines not noticeable but i've seen some bad ones, where will you be using the phone?
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Well like i said get the seller to take a picture with the camera and send you then you can judge if it too bad or not noticeable i don't really use the camera just snapchat and mines not noticeable but i've seen some bad ones, where will you be using the phone?
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I've done that, it's clear. He says it comes on occasionally when used in low light conditions. I would be meeting him in person tomorrow and checking out the phone, etc.
Anything I should keep an eye out for. Any specifics to look out for where the camera's concerned?
Cheers,
Jude
I have missed my nexus 5 ever since i gave it up for the s5 and now the g4.
Anybody else gonna switch when the new nexus comes out?
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I have missed my nexus 5 ever since i gave it up for the s5 and now the g4.
Anybody else gonna switch when the new nexus comes out?
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Just my 2 cents worth, but I would actually wait until the Sprint update ZV6 (releasing now), see if it fixes the lag/touch and other issues we are experiencing. I am confident we will eventually have an unlocked bootloader, but as long as we don't lose our root method -it really isn't required since i'd rather run a stock modified anyway (for myself at least).
Rumors show it to be less of a phone than the G4. If it was equal I would have considered it.
Smaller Screen, no rear buttons, no laser focus, no spectrum analyzer, no SD card, lower res camera, less RAM, Non removable battery.
It does add two tone flash like HTC phones (better white balance). But I love what G4 does in that space, Auto White Balance is amazing on G4.
G4 doesn't feel like a phablet, but has the screen of one.
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Just my 2 cents worth, but I would actually wait until the Sprint update ZV6 (releasing now), see if it fixes the lag/touch and other issues we are experiencing. I am confident we will eventually have an unlocked bootloader, but as long as we don't lose our root method -it really isn't required since i'd rather run a stock modified anyway (for myself at least).
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I don't feel lag/touch. However I did HAVE to remove my screen protector, that was definitely messing it up (never happened on any phone prior). The phone feels zipper than my HTC M9.
I'm not confident at all we'll get an unlocked bootloader. I think carriers won't allow it. Just like Verizon blocks unlockable HTC phones. Things are moving towards more lockdown, not away.
Might see it on T-Mobile or something.
Also I looked at the unlock procedure for the European models. First step is enter Bootloader. I can't, it zips right past it. Maybe I'm doing something dumb.
Also I'm not saying an update would allow entering the bootloader.
Someone also posted a chat with LG on this topic that there is some technical reason it's not possible to do on the non European models. That's might be B.S.
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Rumors show it to be less of a phone than the G4. If it was equal I would have considered it.
Smaller Screen, no rear buttons, no laser focus, no spectrum analyzer, no SD card, lower res camera, less RAM, Non removable battery.
It does add two tone flash like HTC phones (better white balance). But I love what G4 does in that space, Auto White Balance is amazing on G4.
G4 doesn't feel like a phablet, but has the screen of one.
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I don't feel lag/touch. However I did HAVE to remove my screen protector, that was definitely messing it up (never happened on any phone prior). The phone feels zipper than my HTC M9.
I'm not confident at all we'll get an unlocked bootloader. I think carriers won't allow it. Just like Verizon blocks unlockable HTC phones. Things are moving towards more lockdown, not away.
Might see it on T-Mobile or something.
Also I looked at the unlock procedure for the European models. First step is enter Bootloader. I can't, it zips right past it. Maybe I'm doing something dumb.
Also I'm not saying an update would allow entering the bootloader.
Someone also posted a chat with LG on this topic that there is some technical reason it's not possible to do on the non European models. That's might be B.S.[/QUO
Yeah im not very confident we will see a bootloader unlock, if they would have let us unlock it from the get go we would have fantastic aosp roms already, i willing to take the compromise of a nexus in lieu of stock android and bootloader unlock right out of the box.
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I am confident we will eventually have an unlocked bootloader, but as long as we don't lose our root method -it really isn't required since i'd rather run a stock modified anyway (for myself at least).
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Even if all the US carriers allowed the bootloader to be unlocked this instance without voiding your warranty it still would not matter. There doesn't seem to be that much interest with this phone in the modding/dev community. I doubt that will change because everyone is always waiting/looking out for the next big thing is it is doubt we will see a surge this late after it is released.
I am just keeping this phone to get used to the fact that rooting and modding phone is going to get increasingly difficult as time goes on. The good days are over
Really wish the One Plus One would give non-gsm some love.
We may never get an official unlock, i bet there will be a workaround of some sort just like the G, G2, G3. If not, this would be the first G series that doesn't get a recovery workaround. I've been working on the LG series from the start, not giving up now.
Just waiting on the new ZV6 update. We should also have M being their flagship.
My last phone was a Nexus 5 and I prefer the G4. The battery life is just way better and my extra batteries makes it sweeter. I do wish G4 has vanilla android, but the G4 is good enough.
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Even if all the US carriers allowed the bootloader to be unlocked this instance without voiding your warranty it still would not matter. There doesn't seem to be that much interest with this phone in the modding/dev community. I doubt that will change because everyone is always waiting/looking out for the next big thing is it is doubt we will see a surge this late after it is released.
I am just keeping this phone to get used to the fact that rooting and modding phone is going to get increasingly difficult as time goes on. The good days are over
Really wish the One Plus One would give non-gsm some love.
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I agree, most developers have chosen their phone for the season.
I had an HTC M9, just got it replaced and gave it to my wife. I really looked carefully (Spent way to much time). But this is one awesome phone. Assuming I don't run into reliability issues some folks have.
I see quite a few regrets in the XDA Samsung Forums which I monitored closely.
One plus about how we are rooted is, it won't void warranty (you can get it back to pure stock). Samsung you are screwed if you have an issue.
HTC you can relock and most techs won't care if it's relocked. If the tech saw S-Off on an HTC and knew what it was (some do) you'd be screwed.
I just used Ut-Oh to replace my M9 that had S-Off, so that's another plus.
Will be curious what HTC's next phone looks like. It has quite a distance to catch up. I'd much rather have wireless charging than a solid metal body.
I came from a S6 Edge 64gb which I got bored with and gave to my wife and got this phone. I think this phone is awesome. The S6 Edge doesn't have anything on this!
SD card support with removable battery were huge factors! The only downside is the locked bootloader with no TWRP support