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Hi,
I am looking to trade my T-mobile Nexus One for one which works on ATnT frequencies. I will be arriving in the US in 15 days, and will be residing in Troy, New York (zip 12180).
The bootloader has been unlocked, but otherwise there is no modification/damage whatsoever. The phone is around 20 days old. I've been using a screen protector on it from day 0, so no scratches at all.
Would anyone be interested in a switch?
Note: I am looking for a switch only, please; not interested in selling. I'd prefer that the switch happens in-person. I'll post photos of the phone if anyone is interested, but really, it's brand new, no damage at all
Cheers.
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Alternatively, if someone from India has that ATnT Nexus One and is willing to exchange in the next few days, that works out perfectly for me too. Note that in India, 3G will work on either ATT or T-Mobile Nexus One.
Just FYI, if you come to the states and don't have any credit history or SSN for the US, AT&T is going to charge you a HUGE "deposit" in order to open an account.
Whereas, T-Mobile will offer you a Contract Free plan without deposits, but no discounts on phones. This won't be an issue as you already have an N1.
You can get an Unlimited Everything plan (Minutes, Text and Data) for $79.99/mo.
Talderon said:
Just FYI, if you come to the states and don't have any credit history or SSN for the US, AT&T is going to charge you a HUGE "deposit" in order to open an account.
Whereas, T-Mobile will offer you a Contract Free plan without deposits, but no discounts on phones. This won't be an issue as you already have an N1.
You can get an Unlimited Everything plan (Minutes, Text and Data) for $79.99/mo.
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I would very much want to go for T-mobile. But the problem is, most students in my area will be using ATT. Then if I have tmo, no one will call me, or vice-versa
Also, ATT has some sort of agreement with my university (RPI) where they don't charge a steep deposit for students without SSN.
I did a lot of research, and found that tmo is perfect for me, but due to, let's say, "peer pressure", I'll have to go for ATT
just so you know, ATT does not have no contract plans like Tmo does, you will be stuck in a contract if you go the ATT route, unless ATT has changed their tactics recently.
I would definitely want to avoid ATnT, fervently. But, unlike here in India, in USA even incoming calls are charged, so if most people around me are on ATT, I will have to use that, right?
also, isnt there a student (college) discount for tmobile? Im pretty sure there is.
Blueman101 said:
also, isnt there a student (college) discount for tmobile? Im pretty sure there is.
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That's not the real issue.. The problem is the majority. Is there any way to get around it?
Also, my cousin who is already staying there will add me to a family plan of ATT, which will bring down my cost a bit.
Actually, I don't really need 3G at all.. But problem is, ATT will force it on to me
What is the reasoning behind wanting to change to ATT in the first place?
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What is the reasoning behind wanting to change to ATT in the first place?
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I'm currently in India, I will be coming to the US in 15 days. Because most of my seniors and students around my area are on ATnT, won't I have to use ATT? Otherwise no one would be able to call me without both of us incurring charge, except for nights and weekends.
Well if you are on tmo and call someone on att then you will be wasting minutes, but thats normal. My advise if you are still unsure what to do is use tmobile for a month(off contract) then if you needs are not set, either by using all your minutes or what have you, then trade your nexus one in for an att version. Why make a long term 2 year contract without testing the non contract option first.
Thank you Blueman101, nice idea By "off-contract", are you suggesting I go for prepaid? Or "Even More Plus" with Flexpay?
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Well if you are on tmo and call someone on att then you will be wasting minutes, but thats normal. My advise if you are still unsure what to do is use tmobile for a month(off contract) then if you needs are not set, either by using all your minutes or what have you, then trade your nexus one in for an att version. Why make a long term 2 year contract without testing the non contract option first.
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I don't think I'll be able to trade via the official HTC return channel.. I'll have to find a person who is willing to swap with me, right?
rohandhruva said:
Hi,
I am looking to trade my T-mobile Nexus One for one which works on ATnT frequencies. I will be arriving in the US in 15 days, and will be residing in Troy, New York (zip 12180).
The bootloader has been unlocked, but otherwise there is no modification/damage whatsoever. The phone is around 20 days old. I've been using a screen protector on it from day 0, so no scratches at all.
Would anyone be interested in a switch?
Note: I am looking for a switch only, please; not interested in selling. I'd prefer that the switch happens in-person. I'll post photos of the phone if anyone is interested, but really, it's brand new, no damage at all
Cheers.
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Cross post of this on market: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7247948
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Alternatively, if someone from India has that ATnT Nexus One and is willing to exchange in the next few days, that works out perfectly for me too. Note that in India, 3G will work on either ATT or T-Mobile Nexus One.
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i may be interested, or rather a friend of mine has at ATT N1 and needs a TMO N1. Send me a PM if interested!
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Thank you Blueman101, nice idea By "off-contract", are you suggesting I go for prepaid? Or "Even More Plus" with Flexpay?
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I was suggest the Even More Plus, whether you use flexpay or not is your choice.
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I don't think I'll be able to trade via the official HTC return channel.. I'll have to find a person who is willing to swap with me, right?
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Yeah, trading with another person is probably what you will end up doing.
Glad I could help and welcome (in 15 days) to The States.
mcgoo99 said:
i may be interested, or rather a friend of mine has at ATT N1 and needs a TMO N1. Send me a PM if interested!
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Thanks! Sent you a PM.
Blueman101 said:
I was suggest the Even More Plus, whether you use flexpay or not is your choice.
Yeah, trading with another person is probably what you will end up doing.
Glad I could help and welcome (in 15 days) to The States.
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Thank you very much, for both the welcome and the help
Before you do so, consider this in your decision.
- T-Mobile has unlimited data plan and free tethering atm while Att doesn't.
- T-Mobile has cheaper plans that att. Although ATT to T-Mobile phone calls aren't free, there is a certain amount of minutes in your plan you can use during peak hours or calling other phones from another carrier. I don't think you'll go over 500-700 minutes chit chatting with your pals that's what text msgs are for.
- T-Mobile HSDPA (if theres coverage) so depending on your location is faster than att 3G.
rohandhruva said:
Hi,
I am looking to trade my T-mobile Nexus One for one which works on ATnT frequencies. I will be arriving in the US in 15 days, and will be residing in Troy, New York (zip 12180).
The bootloader has been unlocked, but otherwise there is no modification/damage whatsoever. The phone is around 20 days old. I've been using a screen protector on it from day 0, so no scratches at all.
Would anyone be interested in a switch?
Note: I am looking for a switch only, please; not interested in selling. I'd prefer that the switch happens in-person. I'll post photos of the phone if anyone is interested, but really, it's brand new, no damage at all
Cheers.
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Cross post of this on market: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7247948
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Alternatively, if someone from India has that ATnT Nexus One and is willing to exchange in the next few days, that works out perfectly for me too. Note that in India, 3G will work on either ATT or T-Mobile Nexus One.
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Before you do so, consider this in your decision.
- T-Mobile has unlimited data plan and free tethering atm while Att doesn't.
- T-Mobile has cheaper plans that att. Although ATT to T-Mobile phone calls aren't free, there is a certain amount of minutes in your plan you can use during peak hours or calling other phones from another carrier. I don't think you'll go over 500-700 minutes chit chatting with your pals that's what text msgs are for.
- T-Mobile HSDPA (if theres coverage) so depending on your location is faster than att 3G.
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Thank you. As a student, I don't think I'll be able to afford data/3G on my phone at all, and neither do I really need it. My only intention in switching to ATnT Nexus One is that if ATnT forces a data plan onto me, I'll be able to utilise it. But if there was a way to avoid a data plan altogether, I'd much rather prefer that!
Hmm yes you do have a point that 500 minutes won't be depleted, and I can talk during the off-peak hours. I think I need to re-evaluate my decision. Sigh, this is confusing!
rohandhruva said:
Thank you. As a student, I don't think I'll be able to afford data/3G on my phone at all, and neither do I really need it. My only intention in switching to ATnT Nexus One is that if ATnT forces a data plan onto me, I'll be able to utilise it. But if there was a way to avoid a data plan altogether, I'd much rather prefer that!
Hmm yes you do have a point that 500 minutes won't be depleted, and I can talk during the off-peak hours. I think I need to re-evaluate my decision. Sigh, this is confusing!
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Reading this thread, I think your best bet is:
1. If you cannot find someone to trade before you get here, fly in here, post on Craig's List LOCALLY and trade face to face, it will be faster and no costs to do so.
2. Since you are going to be added to a family plan, then your costs will be MUCH lower and since you are not getting a subsidized phone, they really can't force a data plan on you either way.
3. IF you decide on T-Mobile, see if your friends have the A-List option on their plans. If they do, they add your number and poof, no minutes to call anytime.
Regardless of what you decide, you really don't have to rush to trade your phone before you get here. It will work on AT&T or T-Mobile and it will be faster and easier to swap once you get here. Just keep it in good condition and make sure the one you get works.
Oh yah I remember... If you have the T-Mobile version of the nexus one then it will also work with att. You just can't have 3g on it, which you do not need in the first place. So you really don't need to trade after all.
rohandhruva said:
I would definitely want to avoid ATnT, fervently. But, unlike here in India, in USA even incoming calls are charged, so if most people around me are on ATT, I will have to use that, right?
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You can. Get Unlimited and youll still save money and it doesnt matter!
(Ex-Tmobile Employee)
Thank you all for your help! Coming from India, where the cellular system very different and very cheap, I really need some orientation
Talderon said:
Reading this thread, I think your best bet is:
1. If you cannot find someone to trade before you get here, fly in here, post on Craig's List LOCALLY and trade face to face, it will be faster and no costs to do so.
2. Since you are going to be added to a family plan, then your costs will be MUCH lower and since you are not getting a subsidized phone, they really can't force a data plan on you either way.
3. IF you decide on T-Mobile, see if your friends have the A-List option on their plans. If they do, they add your number and poof, no minutes to call anytime.
Regardless of what you decide, you really don't have to rush to trade your phone before you get here. It will work on AT&T or T-Mobile and it will be faster and easier to swap once you get here. Just keep it in good condition and make sure the one you get works.
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As I said, I really don't want to swap (especially because this N1 has some sentimental value attached to it, too). My only reason behind doing is that ATT will force a data plan on me, and then I will be paying for a facility which I can't use anyway. However, I am relieved to hear that they can't force a data plan if I don't have a subsidized phone. Do I specifically need to request this, or spend hours with a customer support tech fighting over it?
rjhay22 said:
Oh yah I remember... If you have the T-Mobile version of the nexus one then it will also work with att. You just can't have 3g on it, which you do not need in the first place. So you really don't need to trade after all.
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As I said, I am only worried because I heard that ATnT forces a data plan on you if they detect a smartphone. Is there any way to prevent that?
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You can. Get Unlimited and youll still save money and it doesnt matter!
(Ex-Tmobile Employee)
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I don't think I can afford an unlimited plan on Tmo either. And anyway people on ATT will still be charged, so others will be reluctant to call me/accept my calls. The concept of an A-list looks pretty good, though.
So, in the end it all boils down to whether (and how) I can avoid the unnecessary data plan they might add to my line in the family plan
Have you guys seen this? Doesn't totally surprise me. I figured it would happen sooner or later. Still makes me sad though.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...plans-for-existing-subscribers/?tag=cnetRiver
as soon as it happens, I'm cancelling my contract (since they violated the TOS), and jumping ship to an MNVO.
I don't mind not having unlimited data so as far as my bill reflects that.
xredjokerx said:
as soon as it happens, I'm cancelling my contract (since they violated the TOS), and jumping ship to an MNVO.
I don't mind not having unlimited data so as far as my bill reflects that.
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Please forgive my ignorance, but what is an MNVO?
I don't know if they would be violating the TOS. I'm pretty sure the contracts that we all signed gave them the right to change any damn thing they want, whenever they want to.
This move has probably been planne for since 4g was a but a twinkle in their eye.
I'm pretty sure we'll have to wait out our "upgraded" contracts until the original end dates. And they're betting that by then, we'll have gotten used to the "upgrades."
I just love that have the nuts to call this an upgrade. Freaking hilarious.
well from what ive read, it's for customers with a 3G phone going to a 4G phone. I think if you don't upgrade from them you should be able to keep it. Looks like if the Nexus line expands and is sold through the google play store, im buying my phones straight from google
dewhashish said:
well from what ive read, it's for customers with a 3G phone going to a 4G phone. I think if you don't upgrade from them you should be able to keep it. Looks like if the Nexus line expands and is sold through the google play store, im buying my phones straight from google
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that how i'm reading it too, it doesn't sound like i will be required to change my data plan until i upgrade again.
The way it will likely work is that as 3G unlimited contracts expire, Verizon will push subscribers to upgrade their devices to smartphones on company's 4G LTE network. These customers will then have to sign up for the data share plans.
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that how i'm reading it too, it doesn't sound like i will be required to change my data plan until i upgrade again.
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Probably. But that's the velvet glove. Do we know anything about the iron hand inside? If Verizon's spiel is "Upgrade to 4G LTE" and the customer's response is "No thanks", will Verizon counter with "Upgrade to LTE or else find another provider"?
The mindset I'm sensing behind killing off grandfathered unlimited is that they want all of their customers capped, and if you won't be capped, you won't be their customer. They're playing chicken, and most of their affected customer base will be the first to flinch.
They updated their plan...
http://m.cnet.com/news/57436642
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When does this take into effect
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When does this take into effect
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Verizon hasn't said anything more exact than "this summer".
Class action lawsuit.
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theeStig said:
They updated their plan...
http://m.cnet.com/news/57436642
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Yeah, looks like they've opened a loophole in their plan. You lose your grandfathered unlimited if you buy a subsidized new phone (i.e., renew contract). So, if you craigslist or ebay a phone, and convince Verizon to activate it, you'll keep the unlimited data. (Or, if you like giving money to Verizon, buy the phone new from them.)
Interesting. I wonder how many upgrading customers who want the new-new shiny and don't pay much attention to contract plan dynamics will miss that distinction and lose their unlimited access without fully realizing it?
Yup im switching to tmobile! This is such bs!! Tmobile will b the only carrier left with "unlimited" data, after verizon pulls this stunt!!! Oh well, tmobile @ least has the one series phones. Suck it verizon!!
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kwyrt said:
Please forgive my ignorance, but what is an MNVO?
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Its fake cellphone company, Basically the mvno just runs a billing system but "borrows" the cellphone network from someone like Att.
virgin mobile is an example of an mvno as they run off of the sprint network
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_virtual_network_operator
Just upgrade now, or get a new one off cl like someone already stated
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Wow, ridiculous. Does your greed know no bounds, Verizon?
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I just got done reading an article from USA Today that was talking about how users who have grandfathered data will be forced to select one of Verizon's shared family plans or tiered plans if or when they go to upgrade their device.
I really despise Verizon for this and will be heading to sprint if I have to give up unlimited data. If they think they will make more money from this move, I suggest everyone leave Verizon and show them the error in their ways.
And just wait, they are trying to eliminate unlimited data for home internet also and the head of the FCC supports limited data. Online gaming and video will suffer and our country will wonder why businesses will struggle. Who's going to let their kids play online games when they have to watch their data usage. Bad news for companies like Sony who have the PS3 and online gaming and bad news for online video streaming companies like Netflix.
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In the end though, I really can't see Verizon being too negatively affected by all of this. The heavy duty users will either pony up the extra cash (because of Sprint's shoddy coverage) or leave and bog down another carriers network.
I have unlimited data right now, and I rarely go over 2GB and I've never been over 4. I stream music pretty often, use fox-fi for thether, and spend a good bit of time on my phone.
Does it suck? Yea. Will it get me to switch? Probably not. I guess it depends on what the pricing structure looks like. I'm intrigued by the idea of the shared data plans too.
Cut off will be June 27th 1159pm to keep it for one last contract.
New plans are expensive! http://solutions.vzwshop.com/shareeverything/pdf/verizon_share_everything_plan_details.pdf
I love Verizon...I have 2 lines on my account (both Bionics) one has the 10GB plan and my wife has the 6GB + mobile hotspot and our monthly bill is around $215/month. Plenty of data for that price.
Peace.
Your on xda, and still paying for the hotspot service? We're the reason Verizon started offering the tethering service in the first place once they realized we were already doing it for free.
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Believe me I love FoxFi. My wife is a by the book type person.
She uses the hotspot feature for work as a necessity. No matter how many times I tell her that I'm 99% sure she wouldn't get caught using FoxFi she comes back and says that what if they do? I need this for work! I then just sigh.
I think if they are going to force limited data plans on us, at least give an exemption for apps such as Netflix. You will eat your plan up real fast just by streaming a couple movies.
Also include services such as slacker radio and Pandora into the exemption.
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So if we have grandfathered unlimited data (we been on verizon for years) do we keep it as long as we dont upgrade or buy phones off contract (like ebay)?
HorsexD said:
So if we have grandfathered unlimited data (we been on verizon for years) do we keep it as long as we dont upgrade or buy phones off contract (like ebay)?
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This is precisely how to keep unlimited data.
If Verizon sells you a subsidized phone, that's where they get to force you into a new contract.
If you buy a phone at full retail price from Verizon, or buy a used phone from a place like eBay or Swappa your unlimited data is safe.
Even if you're sitting on something like a Samsung Fascinate, you can go on Craigslist and buy a Razr Maxx, head to a Verizon store, and get a free SIM card to continue service on the Razr Maxx. Nothing on your plan changes except a line item or two for $0.00 indicating that you have 4G Unlimited instead of 3G Unlimited.
projektorboy said:
This is precisely how to keep unlimited data.
If Verizon sells you a subsidized phone, that's where they get to force you into a new contract.
If you buy a phone at full retail price from Verizon, or buy a used phone from a place like eBay or Swappa your unlimited data is safe.
Even if you're sitting on something like a Samsung Fascinate, you can go on Craigslist and buy a Razr Maxx, head to a Verizon store, and get a free SIM card to continue service on the Razr Maxx. Nothing on your plan changes except a line item or two for $0.00 indicating that you have 4G Unlimited instead of 3G Unlimited.
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This is wrong. That is how it used to work before, now if you attempt to activate a new phone you will be forced to choose new plan options before they will activate it, regardless of where you got your phone. Welcome to the new Verizon.
I will probably be forced off of Verizon at some point. I am already paying $245 a month for 2 androids with unlimited talk, text, and data with insurance and a $3/month slacker radio subscription.
While the data limitations would be no concern to my girlfriend, I am at 5.341gb for the month, with another week left in the month. They are already getting enough money from us every month.
With the changes, I will be forced to cancel my slacker subscription because I use it mainly while driving and won't be able to do that anymore. I don't mind paying $3 a month for being able to listen to music I like while driving. This is an example of why limited data plans have an economic impact on other companies.
I don't know, but I think $245 a month is enough. Is business really that bad for them that they have to try to push for $300 a month? This is why corporate America is seen as greedy.
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Does this include prepaid also?
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The shared data plans are a complete rip anyway. From what I read, they charge you for the pool, than the first device, than the second device. That means that I would pay the same I pay now for my plan's two devices and only get 4GB of data for the two of them to share. I know exactly what I am going to do when I get my next upgrade; I won't upgrade.
nobreak1970 said:
Believe me I love FoxFi. My wife is a by the book type person.
She uses the hotspot feature for work as a necessity. No matter how many times I tell her that I'm 99% sure she wouldn't get caught using FoxFi she comes back and says that what if they do? I need this for work! I then just sigh.
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I understand your point. Your wife sounds like someone who should be paying for it since its for work.
Its the average user whom I think its overpriced for. I don't use it myself too often, but I did pay $10 for easy tether so I can hook up through USB and share my data with my computer when I need to. Since I don't typically need other people using my data, I rarely use wifi tether since it kills your battery faster.
I don't just oppose limited data based on my data usage though. I look at the bigger picture. It will slow down technology growth and may put some businesses out of business. Any business that uses bandwidth will be impacted. Customers will be less willing to pay for services that they could be charged twice for using (the service and the data overage charges, Netflix, slacker radio, etc). Even app developers will be impacted because people will be less willing to download as many apps to try out.
Some flashers may impacted as well. Some of us download the roms directly on to our phones. Our data plans would be eaten up a lot just by keeping up to date with the roms.
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Sadly when I first found out about shared family plans I thought it would save me money but it seems to get an amount of data equivalent to what the three basic data packages on my account have i will have to pay a good bit more.
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nullness said:
This is wrong. That is how it used to work before, now if you attempt to activate a new phone you will be forced to choose new plan options before they will activate it, regardless of where you got your phone. Welcome to the new Verizon.
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Okay then. Debunk this article which contains an official statement from Verizon
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/1...d-data-says-exactly-what-we-already-told-you/
What to do.... I don't think Sprint is an option. Go to AT&T? Is it worth paying list price just to keep unlimited data? Since I am not upgrading soon, I will have the benefit of lots of examples.
ronaldheld said:
What to do.... I don't think Sprint is an option. Go to AT&T? Is it worth paying list price just to keep unlimited data? Since I am not upgrading soon, I will have the benefit of lots of examples.
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AT&T was the first to eliminate unlimited data. They are worse than Verizon. At one point in time, they had their phones locked to where you could only install apps from the android market. They stopped that when Amazon released their own app store and their users couldn't install the Amazon app store, or any of the apps from it.
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projektorboy said:
Okay then. Debunk this article which contains an official statement from Verizon
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/1...d-data-says-exactly-what-we-already-told-you/
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That article is a month old...read more recent statements from them.
If you are in a Sprint 4G area, go for it.
I had to have an Airave device just to make a phone call.
Sprint changed their billing, I opted out with no etf's(a moto photon and a nexus s4g, about one month old), went to Verizon, signed on, came home, had full bars of 3G, and a week later they flipped the switch and I now have 4G.
I sent an open signal text to my old Sprint rep showing her the 4G and strength. WHat else could she do?
I don't know if you guys saw the news but I was looking forward to AT&T adding family data plans in hopes I'd save some cash. Well they announced them today and it's a nightmare. Currently I'm paying $50 for 2 gigs per line, total 4. Under AT&Ts new plan I'd have to pay $85 a month for 1 gig! They aren't making you switch but still wtf?
I'm sick of carriers and carrier phones. I love my vivid but can't deny the fact that with the new features of ICS came new bugs, and it's looking like we're left for dead. The Vivid is hitting eol status on some carriers, and it came out after the Google flagship! And I hate seeing that ugly at&t logo. Freaking ruining the looks of my phone pasted dead center on the bottom of the front. And they lock these phones down so much that hacking them is getting harder to impossible! A couple years ago CyanogenMod was a safe bet but due to ril issues we sure don't have that option.
Updates are only going to get worse. I'm at the point now where if it doesn't have a Nexus in the brand name I can't recommend it. Android phones are slowly but surely becoming the new feature phones. And every device I've had, updates brought new issues with them and the carriers never released any updates to fix those issues. You shouldn't have to root your phone to take care of them!
So for the half assed treatment we get for buying the carrier phones what do we get in return from them? Higher rates with excuses. They claim "due to the high costs of today's smartphone" ah save it! My old Samsung Eternity dumb phone was $450 off contract, a Galaxy Nexus is $350 so how do smartphone costs have anything do do with their nickle and diming? Why does my insurance deductible cost $120 now when my old eternity was only $50 and costs the same amount?
But you know what? When your contract is up or if you own your own phone you don't save anything. So how do smartphone costs have anything to do then? I should get a discount if I choose to not subsidize my phone but nope that's not how they roll.
I don't plan on getting rid of this phone anytime but I may after the next Nexus is announced. I'll see how I like it then. At any rate I'll continue to be an AT&T customer until March of 2014 and then at that point I'll be taking whatever phone I have to a no contract low cost option. I'm sick of carriers and sick of their phones too.
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I used a non-carrier phone for the last year, as well as a carrier-based phone. I had planned to switch to virgin mobile, and bought an LG smartphone. I set it up with Google Voice and Groove IP for calling, rooted it with no worries, loaded it up with free apps and the latest ROMs. It did a great job with email, texting, internet, all the same stuff we do on our Vivids. The only down side was the occasional lack of WiFi. If WiFi is e easy to get to, it is a nice way to go. I got a kick out of showing people my android phone running ice cream sandwich and telling them I paid 0 per month.
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Ha I know a guy that uses an old iphone 3g as a wifi only phone. What you do is get a portable wifi hotspot, it's what $25 a month? Keep that in your pocket and you can use wifi for everything! There was a write up on lifehacker back in the day about making a poor man's iphone with a portable wifi hotspot and an ipod touch lol.
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BTW I'm not ripping on the vivid so much as the carrier. I like my phone but I almost regret it just because I'm financially obligated to at&t till 2015 now. I really feel like for a measly 4 gigs on 2 lines. I'm already paying too much and I was hoping with maybe a little relief with shared plans and they totally blow. I really don't get how it's "shared" with a per line fee. Total lunacy! You'd have to be insane to switch.
The phone I don't regret, the upgrade that required 2 more years of service I regret if that makes sense.
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T Mobile. $60 dollars a month, no contract. Includes Unlimited talk and text with 2GB of data. $70 is unlimited talk, text and 5GB and its much better than AT&T. I made the switch and haven't had a dropped call since.
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I'm currently running H20 wireless 60$ dollars a month unlimited talk and text but just with 2g of data it connects on att towers.
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Yeah I think I'll look into straight Talk and t mobile. Hell without the contract, and an unlocked nexus that works on all gsm bands you can go wherever you want
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Unlocked nexus I would get on T-Mobile.Ran it on the vivid just get edge other than that I would be on T-Mobile lol
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Mjones307 said:
Unlocked nexus I would get on T-Mobile.Ran it on the vivid just get edge other than that I would be on T-Mobile lol
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Yeah the nexus has T-mobile and AT&T bands for fake 4G, thats what sucks about carrier phones lol. you really can't take them anywhere else. AT&T and T-mobile phones are interchangeable except for the 3G bands, thats pretty much the main difference. So if you get a T-mobile phone it won't work on AT&T's 3G network, and AT&T's 3G phones won't work on T-mobile's 3G network.
I remember the Nexus one Google actually made 2 versions of it because of the bands, but the Galaxy nexus has all GSM bands, which is nice
I work at a junior college with two campuses. One of them is kind of up in the hills, and the *only* signal they get is AT&T, so I am pretty much stuck with that until my job changes. I've been paying about $70/month for two dumb phones, just upped my bill by $30 (minus my discount) for the Vivid. I'm not complaining, but my daughter is moving out and wants to bail on AT&T entirely, probably go Virgin Mobile no contract. That is still the cheapest I have found.
I work at a junior college with two campuses. One of them is kind of up in the hills, and the *only* signal they get is AT&T, so I am pretty much stuck with that until my job changes. I've been paying about $70/month for two dumb phones, just upped my bill by $30 (minus my discount) for the Vivid. I'm not complaining, but my daughter is moving out and wants to bail on AT&T entirely, probably go Virgin Mobile no contract. That is still the cheapest I have found.
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Yeah that's typical of college campuses. I remember my brother had to get Verizon when he went to ball state because no other carrier could get a signal there. My issue with virgin is they run on Sprints network which is cdma and with cdma you pretty much are buying a phone that only works on one network.
Straight Talk seems like the best deal from what I've seen because you basically can get any carriers service without going through the carrier. The Android phones they sell run on sprints network but many people on xda have bought unlocked nexuses and basically gotten service through AT&T without the at&t hassle
See only tmobile does it right in that if you own your phone you save money. If subsiding the phones really are costing at&t and Verizon that much then both should offer discounts or better plans for those who have their own phones and don't opt to bite on early upgrades etc.
Either way I'm stuck with at&t till March of 2014 so I went ahead and grabbed the 3 gig data plan before it goes away in August. Me and my wife were both on the 2 gigs for $25 each plan. In February they killed that plan off in favor of a 3 gig for $30 plan. I kept both our plans at the time as I hadn't yet discovered Google Music and had a hard time even using a gig but now with slacker and Google I'm having to constantly monitor my data and still find myself rationing the last few days of my billing cycle with only 250 megs remaining. The extra gig is just enough really to not have to worry about it. Figure get it now before they do away with it in august!
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I'm selling my Vivid. I've only had it two months, but I need the cash to finance new Galaxy Nexus I got this week. The Nexus is wide open to development and has a thriving (mostly positive) community. AT&T really hobbled the Vivid, which could have been so much more. Whether that's the reason for the negativity surrounding this phone, I don't know, but I don't see myself going back to a carrier phone again.
I like HTC phones, though. I wish it was somehow possible to magically merge the Nexus guts with the Vivid's case and screen. Maybe someday HTC will make a Nexus for Google.
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I'm selling my Vivid. I've only had it two months, but I need the cash to finance new Galaxy Nexus I got this week. The Nexus is wide open to development and has a thriving (mostly positive) community. AT&T really hobbled the Vivid, which could have been so much more. Whether that's the reason for the negativity surrounding this phone, I don't know, but I don't see myself going back to a carrier phone again.
I like HTC phones, though. I wish it was somehow possible to magically merge the Nexus guts with the Vivid's case and screen. Maybe someday HTC will make a Nexus for Google.
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Yeah I do think all the security hurdles cause mysterious issues in roms, then the average xda member gets mad at the developers for not fixing the issues, then the developer snaps back, then mods get involved and the developer gets banned, then the members are like wtf, they get mad back and next thing you know the whole community is in disarray!
At least that's my thoughts.
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I actually wanted a nexus. I was hoping at&t would announce it on contract and I got sick of waiting. Me and my wife were both tired of our lagtivates, and I talked to at&t about early upgrades and got me and my wife both Vivid's. And I swear right after my 30 days Google announced the nexus for 400 bucks on the play store. The word I said when I saw the article started with f and was 4 letters long.
That being said I don't hate the phone its fast, and has a kick ass camera but I also thought I wouldn't be interested in flashing custom roms if I had a nice enough phone. No other way to sum it up than saying this is not a developers phone and in those regards I do regret it a bit, however if I really wanted to get a nexus, well a vivid is worth more than a Captivate ebay anyway.
Other than battery life I got no complaints
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I buy the phones and just use wifi. And I have a free phone for calls only. Bottom line you dont need data to use android. Just wondering how long that will last before they make it mandatory to have a data plan. To make people like me pay for service.?
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Lol carriers. Get a Straight Talk AT&T Sim. $45/month for unlimited talk, text, and 2gb data, no contract. Beats the piss out of AT&T, H2O, and every other carrier and MVNO out there. QFT
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I buy the phones and just use wifi. And I have a free phone for calls only. Bottom line you dont need data to use android. Just wondering how long that will last before they make it mandatory to have a data plan. To make people like me pay for service.?
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You must be on an olllld contract. On newer plans, if they discover you have a smartphone on a "dumb phone" plan, they'll "upgrade" you into the most expensive data plan. AT&T did that to my wife when I dropped her SIM into an old iPhone. She was happy to use it as Wi-Fi only, but got a text saying they discovered the change and were changing her plan.
I fought with all four carriers about this. None of them will sell you a smartphone anymore without forcing you into a data plan. They claim that people were buying smartphones without data plans, and then complaining when they got charged for using data. Jerks.
The only thing I like about buying phones on carrier is that they are piss cheap, and I have trouble justifying 4x the cost for a phone from overseas.
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Lol carriers. Get a Straight Talk AT&T Sim. $45/month for unlimited talk, text, and 2gb data, no contract. Beats the piss out of AT&T, H2O, and every other carrier and MVNO out there. QFT
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Actually, ST's data is unlimited, not 2GB, for that price.
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I think carriers subsiding days are numbered honestly, largely thanks to Google and the cheap tablet wars, as cell phone hardware is getting cheap and then Verizon wants to sell you a locked down Motorola that takes a year to get an update for $300 on contract, but you can get a nexus, have your updates instantly and only pay $50 more! It's not just the nexus that's cheap either, that new sexy Motorola Atrix HD is only $450 no commitment. I mean if you absolutely have to have a gs3 or one x yeah subsiding is your best bet but there are quickly becoming a alot of good phones for $350 to $500.
I'm ready for it to end. If subsiding ends and people start wanting to hold on to their phones, manufacturers will make less phones, and support them better. I can't fault any manufacturer right now for not having jelly bean as without source they can't do anything, but 6 months to a year is a bit much and to stop supporting a phone like ours when it's only been out like 8 months, but I'm tied to it for at least 18 months, well that's just lunacy!
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to stop supporting a phone like ours when it's only been out like 8 months, but I'm tied to it for at least 18 months, well that's just lunacy!
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I find it ridiculous how a lot of the phones are made to barely even last through 6 months of light use, and you end up having to 1) Cheat the company out of a replacement. or 2) Pay for another phone without the contract discount, and still be stuck with that company. Straight Talk looks really really appealing, I've been dying for a good enough reason to sell my Vivid, and go Galaxy Nexus and being able to switch from at&t to a cheaper/better alternative whenever I want without buying a new phone would be great.
Picked up a Rogers Moto X on the weekend, unlocked the boot loader, now what is the easiest way to carrier unlock as well?
No way i'm ever going to actually use Rogers as a provider.
Thank yah.
Use a third party company who'll sell you an unlock code.
I have unlocked 2x Rogers Moto X via cellunlocker [.net] for use on Bell
It's like $8 and turnaround was 3 hours for the first and like 6 hours for the second (albeit I did both on the weekend)
Correct me if I am wrong but if you buy a phone outright isn't the carrier suppose to unlock the phone for you too?
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Correct me if I am wrong but if you buy a phone outright isn't the carrier suppose to unlock the phone for you too?
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There's a fee, different depending on which carrier you're talking about.
scorpion667 said:
I have unlocked 2x Rogers Moto X via cellunlocker [.net] for use on Bell
It's like $8 and turnaround was 3 hours for the first and like 6 hours for the second (albeit I did both on the weekend)
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This! I used cellunlocker[.net] over the weekend to unlock my X. Cost $8 and took 15 minutes.
Are Rodgers selling them sim free?
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Correct me if I am wrong but if you buy a phone outright isn't the carrier suppose to unlock the phone for you too?
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Nop. For Rogers you have two options:
1. Buy just the phone for $599+tax and unlock it yourself (you lose your warranty as per Rogers). Not all stores will allow you to purchase it like this though. If they let you buy just the phone they only make $50, where as if they get you on a plan they make $200. I bought mine at Shops at Don Mills (Don Mills and Lawrence) in Toronto. They should still have stock.
2. Buy the phone for $549.99 and go on a month to month plan for 90 days (3 months). ONLY after that you can PAY Rogers $50 to unlock it. The first option was cheaper for me as I'm with Bell Mobility. You still lose warranty if Rogers unlocks it, as per Rogers.
3. Sign a contract. I don't do contracts. I like being off the leash nom sayin'?
I know this doesn't coincide with the new CRTC rules but Rogers hires lawyers to find basically everything they can get away with. The CRTC rules technically don't start till December 2nd.
Source: multiple Rogers stores, Rogers phone support
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Nop. For Rogers you have two options:
1. Buy just the phone for $599+tax and unlock it yourself (you lose your warranty as per Rogers). Not all stores will allow you to purchase it like this though. If they let you buy just the phone they only make $50, where as if they get you on a plan they make $200. I bought mine at Shops at Don Mills (Don Mills and Lawrence) in Toronto. They should still have stock.
2. Buy the phone for $549.99 and go on a month to month plan for 90 days (3 months). ONLY after that you can PAY Rogers $50 to unlock it. The first option was cheaper for me as I'm with Bell Mobility
I know this doesn't coincide with the new CRTC rules but Rogers hires lawyers to find basically everything they can get away with. The CRTC rules technically don't start till December 2nd.
Source: multiple Rogers stores, Rogers phone support
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^+1. You know your ****.
Option #1 listed is probably the best option if you're not with Robbers, or do not want to sign a 2-yr contract with Robbers.
hidea said:
^+1. You know your ****.
Option #1 listed is probably the best option if you're not with Robbers, or do not want to sign a 2-yr contract with Robbers.
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LOL Robbers, sounds about right. I wasn't impressed by their plans at all. I was gonna switch to Rogers cause their support and LTE speeds are slightly better, but their plans just flat out SUCK right now. I'm paying $74 after tax on Bell for a fat plan (6GB data, unlimited this and that, caller ID etc) and an equivalent plan on Rogers would cost me $105 + tax
I was like naw I'm good just sell me the phone lol
I'm hoping Verizon is determined to dominate Rogers by offering much better deals. Trust me, the coming competition between Verizon and Canadian carriers is great news for the consumer. Everyone's gonna price cut each other and we will laugh all the way to the bank =P
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LOL Robbers, sounds about right. I wasn't impressed by their plans at all. I was gonna switch to Rogers cause their support and LTE speeds are slightly better, but their plans just flat out SUCK right now. I'm paying $74 after tax on Bell for a fat plan (6GB data, unlimited this and that, caller ID etc) and an equivalent plan on Rogers would cost me $105 + tax
I was like naw I'm good just sell me the phone lol
I'm hoping Verizon is determined to dominate Rogers by offering much better deals. Trust me, the coming competition between Verizon and Canadian carriers is great news for the consumer. Everyone's gonna price cut each other and we will laugh all the way to the bank =P
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That'd be great in theory. But corporations exist to make money. While I do sincerely hope Verizon will bring competition; I also doubt they'll shake down the market. Why make less if you can rob people in broad day light?
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That'd be great in theory. But corporations exist to make money. While I do sincerely hope Verizon will bring competition; I also doubt they'll shake down the market. Why make less if you can rob people in broad day light?
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Because with Verizon being a new player, they will have to undercut Rogers(Fido) and Bell(Virgin) to make sales. They have to offer a better value proposition to get people who are loyal to existing Canadian Carriers to switch over.
I know I wouldn't switch my carrier unless I got a better deal or better speeds/service.
But you could be right because Verizon can outbid all Canadian Carriers combined in the upcoming frequency band auction so they could just have same prices as everyone else and just brag about having the fastest speeds. Kind of like what Rogers is doing right now. Just to give you a number, Verizon has 100 million customers, Rogers has 10 million. They have deep pockets mang.
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LOL Robbers, sounds about right. I wasn't impressed by their plans at all. I was gonna switch to Rogers cause their support and LTE speeds are slightly better, but their plans just flat out SUCK right now. I'm paying $74 after tax on Bell for a fat plan (6GB data, unlimited this and that, caller ID etc) and an equivalent plan on Rogers would cost me $105 + tax
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That's because they've moved to 2-year plans and jacked up the monthly cost to ensure they make up the subsidy within the contract term. Take a look at Bell's current plans and you'll see something similar. In comparsion, your current plan is probably based on a 3-year contract.
You can thank the CRTC for how this turned out.
+1 on cellunlocker[.net]
Cost $8 and turnaround was all of about 15 minutes...
scorpion667 said:
Nop. For Rogers you have two options:
1. Buy just the phone for $599+tax and unlock it yourself (you lose your warranty as per Rogers). Not all stores will allow you to purchase it like this though. If they let you buy just the phone they only make $50, where as if they get you on a plan they make $200. I bought mine at Shops at Don Mills (Don Mills and Lawrence) in Toronto. They should still have stock.
2. Buy the phone for $549.99 and go on a month to month plan for 90 days (3 months). ONLY after that you can PAY Rogers $50 to unlock it. The first option was cheaper for me as I'm with Bell Mobility. You still lose warranty if Rogers unlocks it, as per Rogers.
3. Sign a contract. I don't do contracts. I like being off the leash nom sayin'?
I know this doesn't coincide with the new CRTC rules but Rogers hires lawyers to find basically everything they can get away with. The CRTC rules technically don't start till December 2nd.
Source: multiple Rogers stores, Rogers phone support
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Ah I see. I was thinking about Option 2 but only knew bits of the pieces. Thanks for the clarification.
+1 to cellularunlock.net
Ordered an unlock code for the Moto X around 6:39pm EST and received an email with the unlock code 2 hours after.
Oh and Hello everyone! First post here in XDA after years of lurking
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Another +1 for CellUnlocker. They came through for me overnight. They're the cheapest I've seen of any other unlock service (Unlockcode247, UnlockUnit).
Rogers unlock
Rogers says if you buy outright they will unlock for free as per CRTC rules starting in Dec. Rogers say they will honor the rules now on outright phone purchases. That being said the 8 bucks I paid to cellunlocker.net was well worth it, got the code in less then an hour and didn't have to deal with anyone from Rogers. The Moto x will work on fido out of the box as thats my carrier I just unlocked mine to use in the USA.
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I'm hoping Verizon is determined to dominate Rogers by offering much better deals. Trust me, the coming competition between Verizon and Canadian carriers is great news for the consumer. Everyone's gonna price cut each other and we will laugh all the way to the bank =P
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I think I read VZW pulled out for the time being of trying to buy a Canadian carrier.
Does anyone know of a reliable place to unlock the AT&T version?