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Do you prefer a clean version of WM6 or with extra applications?

Do you prefer a clean version of WM6 or with extra applications?
And which applications do you like?

C_shekar - I think you need some investigation which kind of soft user needs.
So let us post our vision of required soft preinstalled in ROM.
as far as I understand we taking about freeware.
My List:
1. Touch flo (if there are any possibility)
2. Dict
3. Alreader light 2\Hali reader
4. Total Commander Mobile
5. TCMP
6. Pdf - viewer
7. WM5-storage
8. Some sort of timer.
9. ICQ application (qip for example)
10. Gsplayer
11. Rar mobile

1. No RAM disk
2. 24MB Pagepool
3. TouchFlo

I think the ROM should stay clean, so the user can decide what apps he wants to add.
I think one can only add the HTC home tab thingie!
Cheers

divocak
no ram disk ??
man are you mad ?
for what reason you need all amount of RAM ?
Are you know that without ram-disk device SLOW DOWN ??
But I`ve agree to save some extra mem by lowering page poll. (I think 16 mb will be ok )

No, just leave the pagepool at 32 as I think it's neccessary to keep the Rom goes fast. No more software should be added I hope 'cause users can add them in later on. Just all the important fixes and patches. And that's all. Anyone want to personalize the ROM can do that by creating an extendedRom in their SD, is it, so just try to keep the version pure (one of the best exapmle is buzz 3.33). But, the ROMs that personalized before by certain developers are appreciated as well.

obaz said:
divocak
Are you know that without ram-disk device SLOW DOWN ??
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Oh i dont know that - i think that ram-disk is only for storage. thanx for info.

I agree. The upgrade rom should be a clean one so a person can choose exactly what software they require and will use. We must also remember that we all use our PPC for different reasons so there will never be a rom with software we all want or need.

Clean and Clear
Hello!!! Yes I think the WM6 should be clean version, if someone wants to install apps they can do so. The reason to keep the clean version is to make the device run faster.
Although there should be a clean version but also there should be a choice of software (seprately given). If need be people can install them on their Device.
Kind Regards
Jay

removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty

some softwares are necessary...
because not all of Himalaya users are goood at play the phone,they need it quick and all-in-one.
may be we can cook 2 ROMs,one clean version of WM6 and one with extra applications

Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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But not installing extra software will give choice to people what to install and what not to install. Dont you think it would be a good idea to leave it to people regardless of space or memory issues?
Kind Regards
Jay

very very clean please
What I personally use from 2003 and 2005 ROMs is:
phone
contacts
notes
tasks
calender
SMS
activesync
camera
windows media
bluetooth for mono headset, gps receiver, audio over car radio (behaves like mono headset and mutes for phone or navigation)
connection manager
picture viewer
sometimes Word, wouldn't miss it
Never used:
games
download agent
file explorer
gprs on/off
internet explorer
internet sharing
modem link
search
Powerpoint
WM5torage
email
Very unwelcome: certificates
I do use all settings from the tabs Personal and System, from the connections settings I only use Bluetooth
But -although a contradiction to my wish for a very clean ROM- I do believe that not only I, but most of us do like some features like smartdial, TouchFlo, PDF, VERY LOUD ringtones and repeating alerts for notifications, missed calls, missed txt messages and so on. And localisation would be very welcome too.
Theoretically it would be best if either during the flash operation or at first boot after flashing it would be possible to make your own selections using some kind of wizard/script that would be intelligent enough to warn for example that the help files will no longer be available if you remove IE, that probably SMS will no longer be available if email program is not installed (I guess).

Maggy said:
What I personally use from 2003 and 2005 ROMs is:
phone
contacts
notes
tasks
calender
SMS
activesync
camera
windows media
bluetooth for mono headset, gps receiver, audio over car radio (behaves like mono headset and mutes for phone or navigation)
connection manager
picture viewer
sometimes Word, wouldn't miss it
Never used:
games
download agent
file explorer
gprs on/off
internet explorer
internet sharing
modem link
search
Powerpoint
WM5torage
email
Very unwelcome: certificates
I do use all settings from the tabs Personal and System, from the connections settings I only use Bluetooth
But -although a contradiction to my wish for a very clean ROM- I do believe that not only I, but most of us do like some features like smartdial, TouchFlo, PDF, VERY LOUD ringtones and repeating alerts for notifications, missed calls, missed txt messages and so on. And localisation would be very welcome too.
Theoretically it would be best if either during the flash operation or at first boot after flashing it would be possible to make your own selections using some kind of wizard/script that would be intelligent enough to warn for example that the help files will no longer be available if you remove IE, that probably SMS will no longer be available if email program is not installed (I guess).
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Ya but this is personal List of what you use, if developers starts building personal roms, it will be never ending story.
What I suggested is to build a clean rom, Hyman said the right thing. Build one with basic clean rom and the other with fully loaded and whoever wants which ever they can pick their choice.
Kind Regards
Jay

jaytheguru said:
But not installing extra software will give choice to people what to install and what not to install. Dont you think it would be a good idea to leave it to people regardless of space or memory issues?
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Personally, I don't think so.
If one wouls want to install some software (common used, for example) he would install it in storage mem. And I could make it into rom instead.
If you don't want to use it - just don't use it
One day we would make a kitchen - and then all could make their own personal rom.
Personally, I can tell you that I'm going to release a clean and speed tweaked rom - once, and then I'm going to start releasing my personalized one.

It seems like we all get the answer now. One pure version and one with all modification that builder desires. No more discussion I guess

bearshare said:
It seems like we all get the answer now. One pure version and one with all modification that builder desires. No more discussion I guess
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yes..i agree with you

jaytheguru said:
Ya but this is personal List of what you use, if developers starts building personal roms, it will be never ending story.
What I suggested is to build a clean rom, Hyman said the right thing. Build one with basic clean rom and the other with fully loaded and whoever wants which ever they can pick their choice.
Kind Regards
Jay
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I wanted to give insight in how I use my Hima, it is by no means a wish list for a personalised ROM. (although volunteers are welcome to cook one for me ;-)
I hope others will give similar insight in their uses.
When I flashed to WM5 I thought I was using a clean ROM. It did come with Powerpoint and Exell, IMHO a waste of space. It didn't come with a working smartdial and it took me a full day to find a smartdial that works on one of my Hima's but not on another almost identical Hima. IMHO an awful waste of time unless you like to reinvent the wheel.
I've seen discussions in other threads about what they do/do not call a "clean" ROM. IMHO a clean ROM should offer as much basic functionality as possible. I believe Smartdial is one of these basic functions.
But every piece of software that you can find elsewhere, like Powerpoint and Exell should in my opinion be left out of the clean ROM, right?
A kitchen would be a good idea. A kitchen with a clear step by step manual that any noob can follow would be even nicer. Perhaps such kitchens were around before the ftp site closed, I'm only here regularly since a week or two.
I downloaded two files with the word kitchen in its name and unfortunately neither explained to me how to use it.

Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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You r absloutly right

Rudegar said:
removing the extra applications will not give more storage
it will not give more memory
it will just mean that the rom part of ones flash is left more empty
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I can't agree with you any more

SMS backup software

Hi,
After some advice (after a few hours trawling the entire site btw!).....
I need to backup my sms messages to pc and was trawling for software. Thought I'd found just what I need in Power SMS, but it seems to crash midway through doing an export to csv format. I can backup in the proprietary format (just like i can with SPB backup) but not to a "standard" format like csv
Can anyone offer a suggestion please? Would prefer not to pay for a piece of software that is (seemingly) not being developed (like Power SMS) again, but will do if I have to.
Thanks in advance!

If you really do your search, you'd have found PPCPimBackup .. and there're some great tips on restoring (and getting the 6.1 conversation model) back.

I have never tried any of these, but here are a couple from a discussion in another forum that I frequent.
http://www.godswmobile.com/transfer-sms-from-windows-mobile-phone-to-pc.html
http://www.htcwiki.com/page/How-To+Sync+Text+Messages
http://imobiletool.com/windows-mobile-backup-suite.html

anagarika said:
If you really do your search, you'd have found PPCPimBackup .. and there're some great tips on restoring (and getting the 6.1 conversation model) back.
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Like I said, I did - and after renaming the ZIP file to get to the pbm file within, the format was proprietary and neither text nor hex editor could extrapolate anything meaningful (i.e. no RegEx I could find to pull into a db). Perhaps if you looked at my length of membership, you'd have adjusted the assumption that I hadn't searched properly.
Thanks to the others - am looking at Mobile Express and godswmobile.........
Update: Efficasoft Mobile Express works a treat - thanks for the advice denco7

paul_o said:
Like I said, I did - and after renaming the ZIP file to get to the pbm file within, the format was proprietary and neither text nor hex editor could extrapolate anything meaningful (i.e. no RegEx I could find to pull into a db). Perhaps if you looked at my length of membership, you'd have adjusted the assumption that I hadn't searched properly.
Thanks to the others - am looking at Mobile Express and godswmobile.........
Update: Efficasoft Mobile Express works a treat - thanks for the advice denco7
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I apologize for being unnecessary harsh, and for not reading thoroughly what being asked for.
Now thanking you for testing and Denco for tips, though I'm one that keeps all my stuff mobile, on spare SD and never really use the sync to PC, as the PC at work is locked and it's something I use 90% of my time. Been doing that since my Symbian time

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Since I bought "Apolsoft Android SMS Transfer" and use it, no matter how many text messages I have, It can provide me a fast speed for backup. More importantly, It has its own desktop management tools, the ability to import text messages to the desktop management tools to edit, delete, print and other operations, Many free software can not do it and the software is very easy to use. So, I am very optimistic about this software, I hope my review could bring some benefits for you. This is not what the ad! !

This software can either backup and restore SMS and can backup and restore Contacts, very handy. I've been using and strongly recommend you to use.
You can search " obbosoft " in google......

ToddCarey said:
This software can either backup and restore SMS and can backup and restore Contacts, very handy. I've been using and strongly recommend you to use.
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Just use sms backup & restore or TitaniumBackup. FREE.

oh good

can android decode pim backup files?

I'm migrating from the 6.5 roms to an android rom (Eclair Dark Theme) and wanted to ask if there was an app that can decode the PIM backup files so I can extract my contacts and messages, etc. Anything out there?

Moved as not ROM Development..

Oh ok sorry. either way hope someone can help ^_^

Actually I'm afraid you won't be moving to an Android ROM, you get to keep your present ROM and run Android off SD card, since we're not able to install Android in ROM yet.
Not sure if you can migrate your PIM data to android, but since you won't actually be losing them when you run android, I don't think it will be a big problem.
I'm sure there will be a way of doing it, just never really had that much data I'd be willing to trust to Android ports yet

i'm not sure if android reads pim backup files...but lets rephrase the question. i believe the intent is to get one's contacts and messages imported on to android?
if so, i THINK you can synch your windows mobile with google synch...and then boot into android and synch android with google synch to pull the contacts onto your android installation. maybe google synch can work for messages as well? i haven't tried any of this but i would imagine it should be possible, because android and google synch are both google products...

good solution
so i had the same problerm that i had to move all my contacts amd text messages and whatever from windows mobile to android...
i searched google for alsmost 3 hours to find out how to move pim contacvts and backups to android but u cant...
but a good solution for that is sprite mobile
then go to migrate and then there are three steps to migrate contacts texts and everything from windows mobile to android...
u just need a pc and thats it...xD
good luck with that...
whenn u have any questions pm me!
nick

there's migration tool from Windows Mobile to Android, check Sprite Migrate! well it covers 3 data areas yet.. and unfortunately there's no way to recover the contacts groups(

Well, just found this:
How to move a backup made with PIMbackup > to Android phone.
hxxp://homebrew.binaervarianz.de/index.php?/archives/13-How-to-move-Contacts-and-SMS-from-WindowsMobile-to-Android.html

sox said:
Well, just found this:
How to move a backup made with PIMbackup > to Android phone.
hxxp://homebrew.binaervarianz.de/index.php?/archives/13-How-to-move-Contacts-and-SMS-from-WindowsMobile-to-Android.html
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Hi sox
Thanks for the link, can someone help me here. As I'm unsure on how to overcome this, also want to move over sms and call logs if possbile. I'm new to Android may be a step by step.
Thanks in advance.

well, as long as you have contacts on your sim, you should be able to have them and copy when you boot android. Depending on the sim crd you have you can save X amount of sms on it.

papabear said:
well, as long as you have contacts on your sim, you should be able to have them and copy when you boot android. Depending on the sim crd you have you can save X amount of sms on it.
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Hi
I never had any contacts on sim card, they were on the phone?
In this case what can be done?
Thanks,

Damn it some one should transfer pim to android already

I've developed an APP for SMS....
Still in developing for MMS/e-mail/contacts...
Stay tuned.
Link at XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1023510

Copying contacts database

Hello,
I use my Xperia everyday, but sometimes, for some kind of travels or situations, I like to go with a cheaper, smaller and lighter device, which is my Qtek 8300 (Tornado). It is Windows Mobile 5.0, and works perfectly.
I would like to know if it is possible to copy the contacts database from my Xperia to the Tornado, NOT using Activesync/Outlook. Is it possible by just copying a file.
Also, It would be desirable to copy also the calendar file, but this is not too important for me.
I have read and searched all the forum, not finding this answer...
Thank you very much. This is a great forum!

well if you use the same storage card in both phones
then my app would work
the file that does both contacts, call log and calander is called pim.vol
this app will help you with it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582421

Thank you very much ! I will try your solution.
nhvoltagenh said:
well if you use the same storage card in both phones
then my app would work
the file that does both contacts, call log and calander is called pim.vol
this app will help you with it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582421
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file transfer to/from HD7

question about file transfering between a pc and hd7.
when i connect hd7 to my pc it doesn't appear as a storage device, as it does all modern devices with android.
i read about the way around, but it didn't work for me.
zune helps to transfer only a number of file types - like media files or pictures.
just one sample - i've installed freda reader, but can't put any epub-file to read! i can't even attach it to an email - well, i can attach, but can't save it on the phone - it says, that .epub is just not supported by the phone!
so, the question is: is there any chance to transfer any file from my pc to hd7, and, for example, to save any attached file on the phone?

you can email it, but it has to have the proper program to open it.
For freda, the best work around right now is to use caibre ebook library on your desktop, set it up as a server, then you can add them to freda.
If you search for freda to wp7, you should find step by step instructions.
Check this out:
http://www.turnipsoft.co.uk/freda/calibre-how-to.htm

Now I just realized HTC HD7 with the GREAT Windows Phone OS is SUCKS ! I'm facing the same problem too, NO FILE TRANSFERRING accept songs, photos & videos ! Is that all ?
I'm wondering why HTC came out with a phone like this with no mass storage support ? More worst than apple with itunes, at least I'm able to add/remove apps through itunes. With ANDROID, I can do almost EVERYTHING I want ! What about the mighty Zunes ? SUCKS !
Do you know why people want to migrate their HD2 Windows to Android ?...
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Do you mean using email to attach files/data to do as file transfer ? What about I'm going transfer a gig or 4 gig ? Transferring a 4 gigabyte files over the internet ? Woo... I know you're kidding, right ?
Some more, do I have to know freda to force using my HD7 for file transferring ?
If I have to do some complicated steps to make my smartphone working, then how can I called my phone is a SMARTPHONE ? Because it is not smart at all !
Friend, I'm not criticizing or scolding what. I'm feeling that I'm being like an idiot holding a stupid phone that I can't do anything to it.

It's just a different way of thinking about storage, that's all. To improve security, and reduce the risk of a bad app trashing your phone, Microsoft adopted a model where pretty much everything operates in a 'sandboxed' mode. You are not meant to share data between apps on the phone (except using copy-paste ).
If you're coming to WP7 from Android, (or from WM6) that model is going to seem strange, but it doesn't make the phone unusable. You just need to get used to the idea that each app will have its own preferred cloud location(s) for keeping its data. So for media, it's Zune; for MS Office it's SkyDrive or SharePoint, etc.
And third-party apps can provide their own choice of locations (so for example, among the book-reader apps, Freda offers you SkyDrive or DropBox, Bookviser lets you chose between SkyDrive or a dedicated Bookviser cloud store ... ).
Now of course if you prefer to think of your phone as a mass-storage device, WP7 won't suit you, and you should use a different OS (or unlock your WP7 phone if you must).

Windows Phone Device Manager & TouchXperience. link.