Trying to choose where to work: At&T or Verizon - Off-topic

what's up guys.
long time member, but i dont post much... i use the search button ALOT!
but i did have a question about an employment oppurtunity....
i have two sales rep positions i got offered and i dont know which one to go with, being with ATT and Verizon.
i try to do extensive research before i make a major decision b/c i'm just coming out of college and want to embed myself within a company and grow as high as possible...
my situation: just graduated college, and attending school in Dallas to work on my masters in Finance.
i've made a bit of a list, but still torn between the two.
ATT: part time (30 hours) at 12.75 plus commision... they said i get a phone, business cards, and tons of discounts. They offer tuition reimbursement, but i'm not sure how much... also, the company headquarters are located IN the city i'm going to school in. the store is full of OLDER people, so i know i could do well in sales being the new young guy...
plus, there's just a different vibe in that store when i go in... its in a VERY affluent part of town (frisco and plano)
i talked to a sales associate that was part time and he said he raked in $45K last year... so i think i would be able to live off that! i do not know the structure of the commision, though, so i dont know how possible that is.
Verizon: full time... havent discussed my hourly , perks, or extras (if yall have any info on that, please let me know). They offer tuition reimbursement as well, but its for MAX 8K...
looks like the store is full of younger guys, but still older than me. its in a nice part of town as well. (flowermound, lewisville area).
i'm very torn on which one to go with. can someone please provide some insight into being a retail associate for either or both of these companies. it would be greatly appreciated.

I don't know about retail associate but i work for att as an outside plant maintenance splicer here in California and its a very good job! One of the best paying jobs in my area. And att was the second most profitable company in the USA last year behind Exxon oil. Unfortunately right now we are working without a contract as we are CWA union but so is Verizon. But i think att mobility has a different contract. Anyways just thought id give you my experience!
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Based on money, I would probably choose ATT because you said the store is full of older people and you said you get commission. A lot of times older people are easier to convince then your younger crowd, and older people are more willing to listen to a representative.
Based on happiness, I would also choose ATT because it seems like ATT is more interested in offering you the job since they have already discussed money, perks, etc, and they will be more interested in you. (That's a good thing)
Also, the Frisco/Plano area is a better place to live as it has better malls, nicer houses, better restaurants, etc.

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@Ali: that's what I've been thinking... the area is pretty nice and I think the money would flow. Being full time at Verizon would be pretty sweet. I'm not sure if I would make paper like that though.
Have you ever visited the Dallas area? Plano/Frisco is that much nicer than flowermound?
@eroracing: that's great. The thing I'm looking for most is a place to grow... I think I'm talented enough, plus I'll have the educational aspect, to make moves up the ladder.

You'll definitely get a better selection of phones from AT&T. As to work atmosphere, I feel like AT&T stores are a lot lower pressure when I go in than VZ, but VZ tends to have more customers the majority of the time. With all the switchups going on with service right now I have no idea what the future will look like, though.

to be honest, its not just about the phones...
however, the appeal of even a GSM phone would be very enticing...

Don't sell your soul to AT&T.

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what makes you say that? i have to sell my soul to either att or verizon!

Verizon VS AT&T
It's been a while... Who did you actually choose? I have two opportunities for part-time with Verizon and full-time with AT&T. Just got done with my third interview for each one of them. I like AT&T better.. just the atmosphere of the stores for being a sales rep. I went to both during busy hrs and Verizon was kind of... idk careless with their customers. However, Verizon does have much better benefits but theyre not a union. I know AT&T is still amazing pay, but verizon is by far better. But i don't get the happy vibe from them as I do from AT&T... and I am looking for a long time position while I continue my education, At this point I think its either for the money/benefits or for the happy job. Also AT&T doesnt give you full benefits until after 6 months of employment, Verizon starts you from day 1. My boyfriend says I can always work my way up and if I don't like the customer service they provide at the store I can try and change that.
So i guess I answered my question. But also the co-manager that interviewed me for AT&T, he's been in the company for 2 months and just switched from Verizon after being manager for them for over 4 years. & so is their #1 Northern California sales rep. He said something within the lines of not getting enough recognition. If I get the offers I want to make sure I make the right choice. Can you please let me know which one you ended up picking, that'd be very very helpful ... thank you

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The AT&T Support Forum...As The Globe Turns!

I just got banned from their forum for mentioning XDA. I think they are getting a little sensitive about people using the "leaked" ROM's instead of buying the new 8925 that came pre-loaded with WM6.
obviously...
uhh ya...
you shoulda read this:
http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&thread.id=47760
duh! that's why i found this place.
-raven
haha that is GREAT!
eyezovauhraven said:
uhh ya...
you shoulda read this:
http://forums.wireless.att.com/cng/board/message?board.id=cingular&thread.id=47760
duh! that's why i found this place.
-raven
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LOL! I can't even read that anymore.
I'm not surprised...that's why I'm on T-Mobile!
i love coverage att has but their tech support and website is to the sheep. its worthless
jakeypoo said:
i love coverage att has but their tech support and website is to the sheep. its worthless
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They probably might not release official WM6 for 8525...Instead they will make us to buy 8925...same thing as they did with Wizard...
I love the coverage of AT&T, but their customer service sucks...
I got banned last week!!
jakeypoo said:
i love coverage att has but their tech support and website is to the sheep. its worthless
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Yeah, I totally agree. I would change companies, but I don't think I could get as good coverage or as much for my money with another company. Oh well, I've got at least 20 months left on my contract to shop around.
I know what you mean!
I got tired of having my post edited, So I said something about and I did not use any abusive words, I was professional, I again got my post hacked for being direct. All I said was that some of the so called cooks/hacks out there had some good ideas and that many OEM's got some of their ideas from people like that. My main ***** was as with my Blue Angle not update ever came they lied "Fall" Q2, Q3 then the Mobile 5 devices and they just droped the whole thing. SO I got a CU500 last year saw it at Comdex AT&T had a isplay about Video calling "soon to be on the AT&T network" but they didn't sell the CU 500V just the CU500 but I was told that if I bought the CU500 I update "Firmware" upgrade would be out in January to make it a 500v and I would be able to use it for video calling. Guess what they never upgraded the 500. Now I get a 8925 bacause the soon to be WM6 will be out and I will be able to upgrade for free. and I am tired of waiting they said spring then Q3 Now it's Q4 and the new WM6 device is out and do they want people to upgrade no they want you to buy a new phone with a new 2 year contract.. Well I want the Kaiser and even though I can get it through the business channel of AT&T for $300.00 I am buying it from HTC for $759.00 I will never give AT&T another dime of my money except for the air charges. THey have good coverege but that is it ,Customer service SUCKS! Sorry for the rant, for the guy who got banned from their fourm your not the first nor the last to get banned. Funny I also got flammed from some of the other users felt like AT&T had shell posters. Ed...
Ed, I'm positive they had shell posters. Just in the last couple of days, there were a lot of first time posters that were siding with AT&T in the WM6 thread.
I really don't care about being banned. I've learned way more in this forum than I ever learned in theirs. But, it was kind of fun taunting them with XDA.
I am sure your right about their use of shell's
I just could not believe the come-backs I was getting. One guy I had to wright back an ask if he thought he was going to be offered a job from AT&T. I never saw such brown noising in all my life. I remember noticing that they were all first time posters so looks like the moderators are pulling double duty. I also thought it was funny how they edited the reference I made in comparing AT&T to Cuba's control of it News and TV stations, which they edited the word "Cuba" and then reminded me about my use of language and not to flame (not their words) others which I was talking about AT&T and defending another poster which the Moderator's were jumping on. I have been with AT&T then Cingular and now AT&T now for 10 years and when it comes to customers service, I mean when I need help with adding or changing service plans or bill issues, they are fine even pleasant , Now when it comes to Tech Support they are the worst, their people are not trained, you can talk to 5 people and get 5 answers none of which are close to the truth. It's like their reading from que cards , ask a question that's not on the card and they put you on hold and go ask the giant orb in the room for the answer. Then they come back with the answer which leads you into the next question and on hold you go again. WM6 is not the issue, the issue is I am being manipulated and lied to, for the purpose of being led into buying and extending my contract. When and if they release WM6 you and I know it will be filled with memory leaks and demo software and slow as hell. The first thing I do when I get something from them is unlock and re flash. I just don't like paying someone to screw me. If I wanted that I could go to a whore house, at least I would be smiling. anyway nice to know someone out there feels like I do. Take care!!
Ed...
Being that they are such a friendly neighborhood forum, maybe XDA should respond in kind... (IE: instant ban on referrals originating from at$t subnets, also banning all known at&t subnets registered in DNS, and, simply a bash session of questions that would be more suited for 'novice' forums like at&t rather than a polite ‘nudge’ to forums more suited for the user, and finally, instant ban on anyone even hinting of the company name at&t... or hey, even better, why not patent the B.S. at&t puts customers through as a business process and litigate for infringement...)
Just a thought...
?Glitch
edbutler said:
[...]Well I want the Kaiser and even though I can get it through the business channel of AT&T for $300.00 I am buying it from HTC for $759.00 I will never give AT&T another dime of my money except for the air charges. [...] Ed...
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Well in fact I would buy that from AT&T, because they are sponsoring this phone, ie they loose money on each phone sold. Unless they obtain an over 50% discount from HTC, which I really doubt
I agree with a lot of your post. I would switch away from AT&T and try T-Mobile if they didn't have the best coverage in my home area. To bad. You are right about customer service with AT&T. I once had a $532 dollar phone bill and kept arguing about it. After I talked to 4 different managers at AT&T they finally reversed all of the charges except for the $67 that was my monthly service fee. There customer service is far better then Verizon or even Sprint. I've been with AT&T / Cingular / AT&T for 11 years. Had the same number the whole time. I guess I have a dumped a signifigant amount of money into there company.
Anyone know how to get "Un-banned" from the at&t forums?
We're sorry, but you have been banned from using this site.
You have been banned for the following reason:
Wireless Forums from AT&T Guidelines and the individually enforced policy for the 'AT&T/Cingular (HTC)' forum prevents users from posting software from third party locations when the content has been modified and thereby violated proprietary rights of its manufacturer.​
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All I have to say to that is that it's BS as I never posted any links to "These evil forums" and they just don't want me posting about the fact they broke 3G authentication with AT&T Legacy SIM's!
Hey Die Hard, I've seen your recent posts on the AT&T forum and sympathize with you.
I don't know if you can get unbanned, but you can re-join under a different user name. Since I had been reading the forum using Firefox, I simply fired up IE and went to their support page, chose the ATT/Cingular (HTC) forum, chose register, and then chose potential AT&T customer rather than existing customer. Bam, I'm back on the forum. You could also clear out your AT&T account info and use the same browser you were using when you got banned.
I found my IP somewhere in the profile settings on their forum, so they must not ban by IP address.
Yesterday, someone went really crazy and started posting pics of 2 old men having sex and got the whole WM6 thread deleted.
I have already made a new account... And I even linked it to another number in my Family Plan.
I just think they are doing everything wrong currently!
I am assuming I must have posted in a thread that someone else posted links in or something and they just banned everyone in the thread but like I said.. that's just wrong!
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Nice they delete posts asking about how to get unbanned as well!
You are not allowed to access this site
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Nice now they banned my new account for no reason even. I only had 4 posts!
Register as a potential AT&T customer instead of one connected to your account.
The thing is, I don't think you're going to get your problem resolved by venting in that forum. I would try emailing Stan Sigman who is the President and CEO. I have done that in the past and have gotten my problems resolved to my satisfaction. Also, filing a complaint with the better business bureau couldn't hurt.
Of course, you could keep doing what you're doing and getting the same results.

What company would you get rid off the planet?

I made this thread because I'm pretty sure other threads are made of this topic but I wanted to create a newer one since all these new products are coming out.
I would choose Apple because:
1)Selling over priced, under powered (for the price) computers that have no customization (well barely and I mean like building your own)
2) Changing the animal on their OS, add a .1, add features that can come in an update, and calling it a whole new OS.
3) Selling the iPhone and making the iPad (the iPod touch seems like the only good Apple Product). They don't know what the term "smart" phone means. I mean no multi tasking, boring, un-creative UI. The features in the iPhone/iPad may have been ground breaking 7 years ago but not today.
4) How it makes the fanboyz/fangirlz go crazy about the product because they hypnotized them about how they are good and the other companies are evil. The fanboyz/fangirlz are mad because they spent a lot of cash on an over priced piece of doo-doop) and they have to unleash their anger on past mistakes of another company while forgetting about the new features in the product today.
I like only one thing of apple products and mostly their software for computers: They have pretty good video editing software and that is pretty much it.
Unleash your inner fanboy/fangirl and just rant.
Apple has done a lot for the world though, with the ipod influencing other MP3 players, as well as showing that the linux based operating system can be used in mainstream media. I'd go more with AT&T and verizon mostly because of the monopolies that they have on the cell phone market right now. I'd rather have no contract phones which allow a pay per use plan. Either that or Walmart because of their screwing consumers.
All the oil/petroleum companys!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AndroidNoobie said:
I made this thread because I'm pretty sure other threads are made of this topic but I wanted to create a newer one since all these new products are coming out.
I would choose Apple because:
1)Selling over priced, under powered (for the price) computers that have no customization (well barely and I mean like building your own)
2) Changing the animal on their OS, add a .1, add features that can come in an update, and calling it a whole new OS.
3) Selling the iPhone and making the iPad (the iPod touch seems like the only good Apple Product). They don't know what the term "smart" phone means. I mean no multi tasking, boring, un-creative UI. The features in the iPhone/iPad may have been ground breaking 7 years ago but not today.
4) How it makes the fanboyz/fangirlz go crazy about the product because they hypnotized them about how they are good and the other companies are evil. The fanboyz/fangirlz are mad because they spent a lot of cash on an over priced piece of doo-doop) and they have to unleash their anger on past mistakes of another company while forgetting about the new features in the product today.
I like only one thing of apple products and mostly their software for computers: They have pretty good video editing software and that is pretty much it.
Unleash your inner fanboy/fangirl and just rant.
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I agree with you completely. Don't forget Quicktime (terrible UI and runs background services), iTunes (way to lock up music, Apple), iPods (same dial, same disk space, half the price elsewhere), and the iPod touch (what's the purpose or purchasing a stand-alone portable media wifi device again? that must come in real handy on the beach, in clubs, bars, and everywhere else wifi doesn't exist).
Also, who can really respect a company that basically releases dumbed-down technology basically saying that their customers are slow and stupid and lack self-respect when it comes to not being able to customize their portable devices? Notice how in the Windows Phone 7 Series walk-through found on MSDN today, the president/manager of the project said, "If you buy the phone we are going to let you customize it."
Also, special mention for Verizon, who really has worked hard to rip off the average consumer.
verizon. worst company ever.
AT$T has to go. This is undoutedly the worst company in the world. They have their heads so far up Apple's ass they should be called Apple T$T.
They simply do not care that people hate them, they have no new phones, except updated Tilts and Diamonds. They have the absolute worst customer service
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/...sumer-reports-best-cell-phone-service-survey/
Latest example: My wife and I split ( no big deal , long time coming ) she decided that she wanted to take the iPhone that I bought her and the Propel that I bought her son, both of which I had put on my account, and get her own acount with AT$T. Without any notice to me, AT$T allowed her to take the phones and signed her up to two new two year contracts, and as I only found out yesterday, charged me with $300 dollars in early termination fees. When I challenged them on this, they said that I can always continue to pay for the numbers until the contract runs out. I asked them , since they allowed her to take the phone off of my account, why don't they just terminate the contract.
They informed me that the contract was for the numbers not the handsets. And that who ever was using the handsets, was out of their control. They further said that the contracts are meant to offset the subsidizing of the phones. I clearly pointed out that holding me to the balance of the original contract for the phones and then signing them up to two new two year contracts for the same two phones, was " double dipping " and that any reasonable customer service rep who wanted to keep a 7 year customer with four phones on AT$T would see that by cancelling the two contracts, AT$T was not losing any money and had infact guaranteed themselves more money by signing the ex and her son to two new 2 year contracts.
At which point they continued their mantra " the contract was for the phone numbers, not the phones themselves. " At which point, I cancelled the two phones that I had that were out of contract. Put the ex and her son's # on suspended service for $9.99 a month until the contract expires. And now must make a decision on what to do with my iPhone in July when that contract runs out. In the last seven years, I have paid AT$T $ 10,000- $14,000 in connection fees, and some dope in their customer service dept is forcing me to go elsewhere over $300 in early termination fees that are being paid for by " double dipping " in another account. Stupidity like this has got to go.
Where would this company be if Steve Jobs decides to yank there heads out of his butt ?
Oh Yeah, iPhone, Mac Book, iPod touch, 2 iMacs, U2 iPod classic = Apple Fanboy here.
Everybody hates the people who " get it "
Rogers Wireless, which used to be Rogers AT&T. We're seeing a pattern here
Probably AT&T. AT&T has terrible service nearly everywhere, crappy customer service (moreso than most telcos), and poor overall selection of devices.
Ever since the iPhone was introduced, AT&T has basically given up on maintaining their network at a usable level. The worst is when you call their terrible customer service only to be greeted by a voice announcing that they are "home of the iPhone" before you actually get help. I don't hate the iPhone, I have a few of them in fact, but I hate how AT&T having exclusivity over the iPhone has led to them ignoring all other aspects of their company.
They've almost forgotten about Windows Mobile and have completely ignored Android and WebOS devices, instead opting for more feature phones, because we all need more $20 Nokias and Samsungs. AT&T stopped trying once they got exclusivity of the iPhone, figuring that they wouldn't have to actually get business by being good at what they do, but rather by forcing people into switching in order to get their desired device.
If you don't believe me about the terrible customer service, I have a story for you. For Christmas of 2009, my mother and sister wanted iPhone 3GSes to replace their aging original iPhones. My father I waited to go to the AT&T store until the night before, because one of the incompetent CS representatives we talked to over the phone said that the original iPhones would deactivate, and we didn't want them deactivated for very long, should they need their phones. However, this was untrue, meaning we had to wait in long lines on Christmas Eve when we could have bought the iPhones months ago with no negative effects
After we finally got served by a representative, we were told that the bill we had mailed out almost two weeks ago still hadn't been processed yet, and in order to pay the lower upgrade price instead of the full retail price (~$500), we would have to pay the bill at the store, and have the check we mailed out be credited to our account. After we did that, the lady sold us the iPhones, which seemed fine. Except it wasn't fine, since she upgraded of the iPhones on my father's account, instead of my mother's which was a pain to deal with when we bought my father an iPhone a few weeks later. After we finally got the iPhones and drove home, we immediately got a call from the AT&T store, letting us know that the woman who sold us the iPhones had forgotten to put one of them back in the box after activating it, meaning we had to drive back again and pick up the phone which they forgot. The moral of this story is that AT&T is a horrible company, and a good portion of their customer service representatives are incapable of doing their jobs properly or giving correct information.
I actually have a few more AT&T stories to share, but I think I'd probably run past the 10,000 character post limit were I to share them all
AT&T...I left them a few years ago because of their ripoff plans, iphonia, no customer support, etc.
No point mentioning any as basically every coporation would be on my hit list
Fallen Spartan said:
No point mentioning any as basically every coporation would be on my hit list
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This is true! I listed one, but could have easily listed hundreds!
I'm not against corporations in general; I'd love to take money from consumers to better myself. But I do have a problem with every Apple idiot thinking Apple is doing great when really they are just taking advantage of people without their own identities and morons.
Yesterday's closing stock prices:
Microsoft>$28.63
RIM ( Blackberry )>$70.40
Nokia>$13.35
Motorola>$7.05
Palm>$9.31
HTC Corp.>$9.65
Apple>$201.47
Wow, sure must be a lot of us idiot, identity lacking , morons, getting taken advantage of by Apple.
Down with Tootsie Roll Industries, Inc.!
denco7 said:
Yesterday's closing stock prices:
Microsoft>$28.63
RIM ( Blackberry )>$70.40
Nokia>$13.35
Motorola>$7.05
Palm>$9.31
HTC Corp.>$9.65
Apple>$201.47
Wow, sure must be a lot of us idiot, identity lacking , morons, getting taken advantage of by Apple.
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And don't forgot Google at $543!
galaxys said:
And don't forgot Google at $543!
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Lawlz. Apple got pwned. Google gets lot of money from gmail, gtalk, google maps, etc. Plus they put all that on their android phones too.
Apple
Check this out:
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denco7 said:
Yesterday's closing stock prices:
Microsoft>$28.63
RIM ( Blackberry )>$70.40
Nokia>$13.35
Motorola>$7.05
Palm>$9.31
HTC Corp.>$9.65
Apple>$201.47
Wow, sure must be a lot of us idiot, identity lacking , morons, getting taken advantage of by Apple.
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I'm hoping that this is sarcasm and that you realize that this is actually support against Apple's dominance. Stock prices for the most part are based on hype and a LACK of knowledge about a company. There's more idiots than smart people in the US, so a company like Apple should thrive. George W. Bush got elected twice. There are plenty of idiots around to think Apple is worth it.
A carpet die company somewhere in LA county. The XXXX told me to XXXX when I asked if they could sell me a smaller portion of carpet die for a smaller price.
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poetryrocksalot said:
A carpet die company somewhere in LA county. The XXXX told me to XXXX when I asked if they could sell me a smaller portion of carpet die for a smaller price.
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hahahahhahaa

Anyone cancel their plan and recieve google ETF? This IS the cheapest way to get a N1

Okay first off, this is a thread also to show all the people who bombarded me with smart comments about how i WILL definitely recieve a $200 ETF from T-Mobile for cancelling my plan for my nexus...I did not.
This isn't a mean thread either, I just wanted to let everyone know that this did work, So here i am even after being told that I would NEVER come back to say if it worked or not, because i was scared of the "flaming."
So here I am waiting for Google to charge me the $150 ETF, but it still hasn't happened and it has been over 2 months since i cancelled my T Mobile account.
So here I am (Lucky or maybe just waiting) with my nexus which now only has cost $212 without a contract
Order with T mobile contract for $179
Taxes and all that stuff brought it to $212
T MOBILE ETF $0
Google ETF 150??
Final price $212 (for now)
So has anyone cancelled and recieved the ETF yet? I cancelled and the T Mobile rep said to just hand the nexus back over to the fedex guy so maybe T mobile screwed up something but in the end im sure google knows that that phone is in use right now? But also this was close to the time when the nexus store was Closing or they ran out of phones so maybe that confused something? Or most likely, I am just waiting and will recieve it someday.
sassyness77 is pretty smart
someone loves sassyness77!
and it's his girlfriend <3
Nobody else likes you, because you're taking stuff at someone else's expense. When you cancelled T-Mobile, they charged back the commission that Google used to subsidize your phone. Google is out a few hundred bucks right now. You seem to think it's all okay because YOU didn't have to pay what you owe. That makes you a parasite, an unrepentant one at that since you seem happy to brag about getting away with it (for now at least).
This isn't howardforums, if you want to brag about exploiting companies, go there for a receptive audience.
Okay, whoa. I'm sorry you feel angry about this but to call me a parasite? Calm down. As if this truely hurts Google, all I did was find a smarter way to save money in all honesty.
ATnTdude said:
Nobody else likes you, because you're taking stuff at someone else's expense. When you cancelled T-Mobile, they charged back the commission that Google used to subsidize your phone. Google is out a few hundred bucks right now. You seem to think it's all okay because YOU didn't have to pay what you owe. That makes you a parasite, an unrepentant one at that since you seem happy to brag about getting away with it (for now at least).
This isn't howardforums, if you want to brag about exploiting companies, go there for a receptive audience.
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wtf you talking about. what do you think googles ERF is for? if google feels the loss they will charge them for it ... @OP
id wait 4 months before celebrating...thats when they will realize tmos not paying the subsidy
sassyness77 said:
Okay, whoa. I'm sorry you feel angry about this but to call me a parasite? Calm down. As if this truely hurts Google, all I did was find a smarter way to save money in all honesty.
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Not sure how, but you're confusing dishonesty for intelligence. Parasite was the appropriate term, as what you did amounts to stealing and fraud.
sassyness77 said:
Okay, whoa. I'm sorry you feel angry about this but to call me a parasite? Calm down. As if this truely hurts Google, all I did was find a smarter way to save money in all honesty.
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If you do not like the term, don't be a parasite. You KNOW a Nexus One doesn't cost what you paid for it. You KNOW someone had to take that loss. It doesn't matter if they never charge you back, that's just your feeble attempt at justifying yourself. Off the top of my head, I can think of a few ways to dodge the charge (most of which are more clever than what you're taking pride in). I didn't do any of them because...wait for it...I'm not a parasite.
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wtf you talking about. what do you think googles ERF is for? if google feels the loss they will charge them for it ... @OP
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I am fully aware of what the ERF is for, apparently you don't, so I'll break it down for you.
1) HTC makes, sells and delivers a N1 to Google, HTC charges Google somewhere around, but probably somewhat less than, $530.
2) T-Mobile pays Google a commission for every 2 year contract signed over a N1. New activations pay more than upgrades, which is why the N1 costs more when upgrading your plan.
3) Google takes this commission, and gives it to you by subsidizing the phone down to as low as $180. That $350 difference comes from T-Mobile paying Google.
4) You buy the phone, and pay for the service. Google either gets paid immediately (and receives a chargeback if you cancel or downgrade) or doesn't get a check until you've had the service for 120 days (not sure which, since I'm not privy to the specifics of their agreement, but it's one or the other, probably the former as that's the general way the US cellphone market works).
5) T-Mobile, like most US carriers, uses a billing system which will automatically apply sales commissions on activations, and chargebacks on cancellations. As such, the moment you cancel, T-Mobile's systems take back their money.
6) This leaves Google out the amount of your subsidy ($250-$350), which is essentially the cost of the phone, minus what you paid for it($180-$280). Whether or not they (rightfully) charge you for that loss is irrelevant to the fact they took a material loss.
Welcome to how the real world works. For more info, go to college, or get a job.
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I am fully aware of what the ERF is for, apparently you don't, so I'll break it down for you.
1) HTC makes, sells and delivers a N1 to Google, HTC charges Google somewhere around, but probably somewhat less than, $530.
2) T-Mobile pays Google a commission for every 2 year contract signed over a N1. New activations pay more than upgrades, which is why the N1 costs more when upgrading your plan.
3) Google takes this commission, and gives it to you by subsidizing the phone down to as low as $180. That $350 difference comes from T-Mobile paying Google.
4) You buy the phone, and pay for the service. Google either gets paid immediately (and receives a chargeback if you cancel or downgrade) or doesn't get a check until you've had the service for 120 days (not sure which, since I'm not privy to the specifics of their agreement, but it's one or the other, probably the former as that's the general way the US cellphone market works).
5) T-Mobile, like most US carriers, uses a billing system which will automatically apply sales commissions on activations, and chargebacks on cancellations. As such, the moment you cancel, T-Mobile's systems take back their money.
6) This leaves Google out the amount of your subsidy ($250-$350), which is essentially the cost of the phone, minus what you paid for it($180-$280). Whether or not they (rightfully) charge you for that loss is irrelevant to the fact they took a material loss.
Welcome to how the real world works. For more info, go to college, or get a job.
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Google changed their ERF because they felt they could take the loss vs customer backlash who would be forced to pay $750 for the nexus if they werent satisfied with Tmobile. It used to be $350, now its $150. Thats called business.
You do not know the deal that tmobile and google made with each other for the specific subsidy amounts. Tmobile pays google once the 120 days of service are up
FYI i have a B.S.S.E and a minor in business. Its not being a parasite for using valid methods to get a phone for cheap. I dont think you have any understand how business works but you just like to throw around things everyone already knows and thinks it helps your argument...but it doesnt
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You do not know the deal that tmobile and google made with each other for the specific subsidy amounts. Tmobile pays google once the 120 days of service are up
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The "subsidy" is obvious, $250 to $350, because the subsidy is what YOU get. I never said what the "commission" is, and acknowledged I cannot know when the payment is sent, or the exact amount. Try to use the correct word when arguing with people.
...but since you've basically agreed that T-Mobile is financing everything, I rest my case.
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...but since you've basically agreed that T-Mobile is financing everything, I rest my case.
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Perfectly stated.....
This thread is going to turn into nothing but flaming... @Op, you knew that starting the thread.... Why? Why do it? Just to brag and wait for how many different ways people can call you out on "ripping off a nexus one?".....
I'm not hear to discuss the issue of getting an n1 for cheap, just to call you out on posting a thread KNOWING you'll get nothing but negative responses..... A lot of that going on on XDA lately and it's kinda sad.....
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The "subsidy" is obvious, $250 to $350, because the subsidy is what YOU get. I never said what the "commission" is, and acknowledged I cannot know when the payment is sent, or the exact amount. Try to use the correct word when arguing with people.
...but since you've basically agreed that T-Mobile is financing everything, I rest my case.
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The last part of that statement WAS to tell you when google got their payment.
Tmobile does NOT give google the payment if you cancel your contract. Thats when google steps in and gets their "commission" from you instead of tmo
When you buy the phone from google, you pay google 179. When you have been with tmobile for 120 days, tmobile pays google the rest of the money at their agreed upon rate (between 150-350, we dont know) if you cancel, google takes 150 to take their material losses.
Tmobile isnt footing anything, google is. and google makes sure they dont take a loss from this kind of situation. Note the phone's hardware costs $175, so the immediate material loss is already paid for when you buy the phone.
Congrats, you ripped someone off.
Your mistake was thinking anyone here would care. If you wanted "ZOMG DEWD GRATS BRAH!!!!!11one!!1" you're in the wrong forum.
Yadda yadda, someone is a db.. Let's just wave our hands until the Mods see and close this thread..
Due to the nature of the thread, I will close it down.

[Q] To change jobs, or not to change jobs: that is the question.

Background:
I am a recent graduate with a BS in electrical engineering. During college I worked for 3 different companies doing work related to my major through the COOP program. I put in more than 6 months of full time work at each.
Company A:
I have been working at Company A for 3 months in 5 days; also, in 5 days my probationary period will expire. Company A is a German born company. A large majority of my coworkers are German and since all of the equipment was made in Germany all of the code and designs are in German. And I do not speak any German. The job currently is mostly maintenance with some development, and much more development planned in the future. The company is global with approximately 5,500 employees. They are a market leader in the automotive field and are expanding. Also, I am a salaried employee.
Company B:
Recently I was contacted by Company B and offered a job. I had multiple interviews with them during the job hunt process that landed me the job with Company A. Company B is a much smaller development firm. They have been in business for 60 years.
Comparison:
The equipment and devices used in the offered job are more the standard in the United States. So if Company A was to let me go 20 years down the road it might be harder for me to find a job in the USA. The job offered, is a hourly based job and 10 minutes from home(vs 30). The jobs have comparable pay and benefits, assuming I work 3 hours of OT each week at Company B. I was told it is normal to work 5 hours OT each week. Company B seems like there is more room for growth. The work at Company B will most likely be more demanding and rewarding than that at Company A. I have no personal issues with Company A and would feel bad about leaving them and the friends I have made.
The Dilemma:
Stay with a secure large company using foreign technologies that pays slightly more or move to a company that offer more room for growth and possibly be better for my career.
Any input would be greatly appreciated!
my advice , take a german course(take your time , self development always pays) , get a nice position in the said upcoming dev projects , and they wont let go of you even if theres a workforce dismantling in the US outsource , and u need to take that in account in these hard times
and about the 30 min vs 10 min , reward yourself with a nice car system , and turn that dullride to a joyride
while you're younger you should take more risk. In my opinion, i'd go for the company where there's more chance for growth and is more demanding, giving you valuable experience you will likely use the rest of your career. Personaly, i would take a pay cut to work in an environment where i was truly needed and appreciated with daily challenges and long term goals.
I would work at Company B
Any advancement in your life is what you should strive for. As humans we always look for a challenge and the next best thing for us, and as you already know a challenge and a push to try harder is just fundamental (That's why you're on xda haha) Plus if you really think about it company B sounds more stable anyways, and the 10 minute car drive opposed to the 30 minute one would probably be paying you back for the slightly lowered pay from company B...you'll save on gas haha
My overall summary: Shoot for improvement and self-adaptation, you should still take that German course though, it'll be helpful to boast about haha Go for company B
Is company B offering 40% increase over your salary? Otherwise, the stress and the drawbacks of changing companies won't be worth it. Besides, you'd need an excuse to change companies, but you can easily stay without compromising your status quo.
You can say that you are leaving for a better offer, but it seems like they are paying you even less.
So, unless there's something wrong with Company A (toxic environment, abusive boss/coworkers, etc.) other than a different language, I'd suggest you stick with Company A for the time being
Yours Sincerely
-An accountant that changed too many jobs-
I like what I've been reading in the responses you've gotten up-thread of this one from me, but I'd like to offer a different perspective on this situation. In part, I will be echoing souljaboy's comments.
In any professional environment, you need to do deep research on every company you either are working for or which is a potential suitor. To fail to do this is both foolish and dangerous. What I mean about "deep research" incorporates a number of things. First, you need to see how their stock (whether publicly or privately held) is doing, and what its performance has been over its history. Remember, context isn't "everything", it is the "only thing".
Second, you need to look into what their customers in total have been saying about them, along with vendors and anyone else you can find out about (Google is thy friend, but so are contacts and social networks). When a company -- especially an American company -- makes any claim to stability, it's not so much that you should be skeptical, but you need to remember we in America are short-sighted, and so a "long term" plan means maybe a year or two (at best, if you're lucky).
The fact that Company B has a 60 year track record is nothing to sneeze at, so that's a good start, but you need to know more.
Third, you need to learn something of the inside politics of the company. How long have the BoD been there? Who are they? What do people (stockholders, others in the industry, etc.) say about them? Remember that companies are just like fish: the rot starts at the head. A company can "look" alright but may have decaying leadership and other issues which seriously jeopardize its future viability. Don't be too easily deceived.
Ok, apart from fully investigating Company B, let's take a look at Company A.
It's a German company, which means that it's based in a member country of the European Union, and it also means its future is tied to such things as the value of the Euro, the EU member bail-outs (think Greece, for instance) and then step back and realize that all of these basically "political" factors may have long-term effects. Also remember that the EU, the U.N., and others are discussing changing the global currency backing from the U.S. Dollar to something else, and this is liable to have a sharply negative impact on U.S. <> German economic interactions.
Because Company A is a member of the automotive industry, you need to look long and hard at what's going on in other, seemingly-unrelated areas like oil, wind/solar/battery, etc. Even a stable company that's made no mistakes on its own can crumble if the rug is pulled out from underneath it harshly enough.
Also, you need to ask yourself a question: What are the fundamental reasons (this list should not exceed two or three items) that company set up U.S. operations to begin with? Then, ask yourself: if the U.S. economy (or the German economy) went to hell, or if things like tax rates for foreign companies, or import duties, were to go up significantly, at what point would your U.S. operation no longer remain viable? Then, lastly, ask yourself where things are presently in relation to that upper cut-off.
While it obviously pays to not be tin-foil hat conspiracy-theorist on this, it also pays to remember the Titanic and Britannic were "unsinkable" too.
Good luck to you, whatever you may decide.
SciFiSurfer said:
I like what I've been reading in the responses you've gotten up-thread of this one from me, but I'd like to offer a different perspective on this situation. In part, I will be echoing souljaboy's comments.
In any professional environment, you need to do deep research on every company you either are working for or which is a potential suitor. To fail to do this is both foolish and dangerous. What I mean about "deep research" incorporates a number of things. First, you need to see how their stock (whether publicly or privately held) is doing, and what its performance has been over its history. Remember, context isn't "everything", it is the "only thing".
Second, you need to look into what their customers in total have been saying about them, along with vendors and anyone else you can find out about (Google is thy friend, but so are contacts and social networks). When a company -- especially an American company -- makes any claim to stability, it's not so much that you should be skeptical, but you need to remember we in America are short-sighted, and so a "long term" plan means maybe a year or two (at best, if you're lucky).
The fact that Company B has a 60 year track record is nothing to sneeze at, so that's a good start, but you need to know more.
Third, you need to learn something of the inside politics of the company. How long have the BoD been there? Who are they? What do people (stockholders, others in the industry, etc.) say about them? Remember that companies are just like fish: the rot starts at the head. A company can "look" alright but may have decaying leadership and other issues which seriously jeopardize its future viability. Don't be too easily deceived.
Ok, apart from fully investigating Company B, let's take a look at Company A.
It's a German company, which means that it's based in a member country of the European Union, and it also means its future is tied to such things as the value of the Euro, the EU member bail-outs (think Greece, for instance) and then step back and realize that all of these basically "political" factors may have long-term effects. Also remember that the EU, the U.N., and others are discussing changing the global currency backing from the U.S. Dollar to something else, and this is liable to have a sharply negative impact on U.S. <> German economic interactions.
Because Company A is a member of the automotive industry, you need to look long and hard at what's going on in other, seemingly-unrelated areas like oil, wind/solar/battery, etc. Even a stable company that's made no mistakes on its own can crumble if the rug is pulled out from underneath it harshly enough.
Also, you need to ask yourself a question: What are the fundamental reasons (this list should not exceed two or three items) that company set up U.S. operations to begin with? Then, ask yourself: if the U.S. economy (or the German economy) went to hell, or if things like tax rates for foreign companies, or import duties, were to go up significantly, at what point would your U.S. operation no longer remain viable? Then, lastly, ask yourself where things are presently in relation to that upper cut-off.
While it obviously pays to not be tin-foil hat conspiracy-theorist on this, it also pays to remember the Titanic and Britannic were "unsinkable" too.
Good luck to you, whatever you may decide.
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+1
I am, of course, speaking as an accountant that can market his skills across a vast range of industries. Engineers will have a different take on things as well.
I wanted to thank everyone for their input!
I decided to go with Company B. I gave Company A my 2 weeks notice on Monday. After that Company A came back with an offer for a rather large salary increase along with an increase in my annual bonus. Not to mention they pointed out some benefits I did not know existed. Like full reimbursement on any higher education as long as the grade in the course is a B or higher and pertained to my job.
With that in mind it makes really hard to leave the benefits, stability, and salary of Company A. So I am calling back Company B to let them know I plan to stay with Company A after all...
Thanks again.
Blauvster said:
I wanted to thank everyone for their input!
I decided to go with Company B. I gave Company A my 2 weeks notice on Monday. After that Company A came back with an offer for a rather large salary increase along with an increase in my annual bonus. Not to mention they pointed out some benefits I did not know existed. Like full reimbursement on any higher education as long as the grade in the course is a B or higher and pertained to my job.
With that in mind it makes really hard to leave the benefits, stability, and salary of Company A. So I am calling back Company B to let them know I plan to stay with Company A after all...
Thanks again.
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Definitely sounds like good news

Nexus 6 at Best Buy?

Has anyone heard anything on the Nexus 6 at Best Buy? If this is an option, any one going this route?
I have a Best Buy card and I am considering getting the Nexus 6 from Best Buy if the option is there. I believe it's is 0% interest if you pay it off within a year's time from purchase. Plus you get rewards for using your Best Buy card.
Havent heard anything from them yet.
I want to go through best buy too since I am the elite plus member and I have some GC to use.
I assume they should get it on the 12th too though...
You can't ask B B either because they can only look at the same website you look at.....
I did see one of the Google pages that had the white Nexus 6 for sale showing a bunch of greyed out logos indicating where the phone would be available, one of which was Best Buy. Worth watching.
My best buy said they probably wouldn't get any at all so we will see
Quite a few rumors of them selling it, plus they sell for the big 3 carriers so I imagine they would have to. They already have the nexus 9 listed up, so I bet they'll get the 6 too.
I'm currently with T-Mobile and they are only going to carry the Midnight Blue. I plan just to buy the white from Best Buy with my Best Buy card then take it to T-Mobile for their service. Best Buy has told me they will carry the phone but they do not have a date. Hope that Best Buy gets the Cloud White!
evolving said:
My best buy said they probably wouldn't get any at all so we will see
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You have to be careful on who to ask when it comes to stock on some devices at BB locations. A few of the ones I traveled to had Apple Product Salespeople hanging around the cellphone department acting as they work in the department but are simply trying to do whatever they can to pull you towards interest of an iPhone. They would tell me when I ask about the stock of the Nexus 5 and the coming stock of the Nexus 6 "We do not carry T-Mobile devices" in which I just walk away from them and try to get the attention of a proper employee of the department.
It amazes me the ignorance of some sales people considering that they sold the Nexus devices contract free. It makes me wonder where the hell they pull these people from.
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You have to be careful on who to ask when it comes to stock on some devices at BB locations. A few of the ones I traveled to had Apple Product Salespeople hanging around the cellphone department acting as they work in the department but are simply trying to do whatever they can to pull you towards interest of an iPhone. They would tell me when I ask about the stock of the Nexus 5 and the coming stock of the Nexus 6 "We do not carry T-Mobile devices" in which I just walk away from them and try to get the attention of a proper employee of the department.
It amazes me the ignorance of some sales people considering that they sold the Nexus devices contract free. It makes me wonder where the hell they pull these people from.
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They're underpaid workers who are not techies. Anyone who knows, really knows, anything about computers or electronics finds a much better job than BestBuy.
Always been that way.
im on verizon unlimited everything.. i am going the BB rout too. pay with my BBcard.. i hope BB gets it on launch date. just like the N9
Skripka said:
They're underpaid workers who are not techies. Anyone who knows, really knows, anything about computers or electronics finds a much better job than BestBuy.
Always been that way.
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Yep. That's like asking the guy stocking cough syrup at the grocery store about medicine...
Don't expect him to know anymore than you, and in reality he probably knows far less.
He's essentially the best warm body they could get for what they pay, which isn't much.
I was just given this information. I can't provide source due to this person could be an employee of Best Buy. How much of this is a fact, I don't know.. I did cut out one line to help protect this person if it is legit.
This is what I was told;
""""I dug through some employee systems and found the nexus 6 listed on AT&T at full retail of $649.99 with a street date listed as 11/21. So it should be in stock there or shortly after.
No other carriers in best buy at the moment. I forgot the sku but I'll find it for you again when I work.""""
and now its known.. http://www.androidauthority.com/nexus-6-best-buy-release-566428/
Thank you for this. I've been calling maybe every other few days and asking their reps here and I've even gotten "I didn't even know there was Nexus 6". One even asked me if I ment the 9. We don't have a T-Mobile here in Alaska so options here are scarce...

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