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Tilt will cost $299 with a 2-year contract!

Well, according to this article, Tilt will cost $299 with a 2-year contract and $375 with a one-year contract. Btw, the release date mentioned in the article is October 1st.
Link: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/11/tilt-duo-inferno-and-q9h-to-blow-out-atandts-october/

Finally and it is good to here that it will be reasonable priced which will make the device open to more users...thus it will be hacked sooner. We need cooked ROMs casue you know ATT will **** up the OS. First thing we will need to hack the PTT button since ATT PTT is retarded and its one more button that can be useful.

sherpa said:
Well, according to this article, Tilt will cost $299 with a 2-year contract and $375 with a one-year contract. Btw, the release date mentioned in the article is October 1st.
Link: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/09/11/tilt-duo-inferno-and-q9h-to-blow-out-atandts-october/
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No offense but I think Ill go buy one online if I see another frickin post like this. Not directed at you sherpa, just venting a bit. I am just tired of hearing things like "supposedly" and "we heard" or "rumored" I have had a few sources tell me that it will be this month....PERIOD.... I just want to see a date posted on the site saying it will be released on.... I personally dont care if its 3 ****ing years from now as long as they can just say it rather than the cause the whole guessing game.
O.k. now that I have vented, I'll say that I hope this info is wrong on the October part because I am an impatient child and hope its right on the $299 part

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No offense but I think Ill go buy one online if I see another frickin post like this. Not directed at you sherpa, just venting a bit. I am just tired of hearing things like "supposedly" and "we heard" or "rumored" I have had a few sources tell me that it will be this month....PERIOD.... I just want to see a date posted on the site saying it will be released on.... I personally dont care if its 3 ****ing years from now as long as they can just say it rather than the cause the whole guessing game.
O.k. now that I have vented, I'll say that I hope this info is wrong on the October part because I am an impatient child and hope its right on the $299 part
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Dude, I feel the same way too. I get frustrated hearing all these rumor dates but at the same time get excited. Just like you, I would rather hear a firm date from AT&T (be it three years from now) but it would at least make me constantly visiting different sites all the time. Now, I also hope info posted on the link above is wrong (the date part, that is) and hope the date is something earlier than that.

wpbear said:
Finally and it is good to here that it will be reasonable priced which will make the device open to more users...thus it will be hacked sooner. We need cooked ROMs casue you know ATT will **** up the OS. First thing we will need to hack the PTT button since ATT PTT is retarded and its one more button that can be useful.
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I dunno wp...At 299...something has to be missing..and it's gotta be more then the video call camera...why would the Tilt with more features then the 8525 cost less??? I'm very leery about this...btw wp..haven't seen u on HOFO in a while..

well after seeing another date come and go that it was suppost to go live on I just went ahead and ordered mine online. Better to have it then have to deal with the waiting and then if they end up screwing it hard well...

HTCFAN0923 said:
I dunno wp...At 299...something has to be missing..and it's gotta be more then the video call camera...why would the Tilt with more features then the 8525 cost less??? I'm very leery about this...btw wp..haven't seen u on HOFO in a while..
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The low price can be justified because of iPhone's price slashes! AT&T is thinking of the whole market and not just of us hardcore users. Majority of the market will compare iPhone and Tilt side-by-side, and with iPhone's bigger screen, brand recognition, built-in memory, and popularity, people will go for the iPhone. So, if AT&T prices both reasonably, Tilt will sell well.

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I dunno wp...At 299...something has to be missing..and it's gotta be more then the video call camera...why would the Tilt with more features then the 8525 cost less??? I'm very leery about this...btw wp..haven't seen u on HOFO in a while..
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my guess is cuz they're going up against the iphone's price point

HTCFAN0923 said:
I dunno wp...At 299...something has to be missing..and it's gotta be more then the video call camera...why would the Tilt with more features then the 8525 cost less??? I'm very leery about this...btw wp..haven't seen u on HOFO in a while..
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I think the front camera and the Tom-Tom Software will be removed and thats all. I think GPS will work but you have to use TeleNav, free google maps, live search or buy your own Tom-Tom. My guess as a geek with no insider info....
I got banned for flaming the asshole 14 year old Tito.
I created a cab file for the Blackjack to auto install overclocking and it works but he was the only one to have a problem. Two forums I posted the cab and he was the only one to need a HR. He *****ed that he lost all his contacts and they were so important. I flamed him cause he tried to blame me for his error and for him not backing up his device. What the **** is so important in contacts that 14 year old has. Anyway I flamed, got banned and told HOFO to **** off. I still read over there and can not stand the stupidity that runs rampant on that bored. Change the name on hofo to "here's your sign" (Redneck Comedy)

Either AT&T has been court ordered to donate to charity, or they have severely crippled the Kaiser. I refuse to believe that $299 price point...

Poetique said:
Either AT&T has been court ordered to donate to charity, or they have severely crippled the Kaiser. I refuse to believe that $299 price point...
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I am very surprised, I would of thought $399 and they drop the 8525 to $249. But I like charity

yea that 299 price point does not seem correct being the 8525 cost more. Also the 8925 is suppost to be a flagship type phone for them for highend users and lower end peps then have the Icrap, or the pantach 810 also the blackjack still and a handfull of other pda type phones.

No way it's 299.
and 200 in amazon.com ???
8525's retail price is 599 from att. With a 2 year contract it's 450, which after rebates and everything else it comes down to 350.
the HTC Tytn II is 800 on mobileplanet.com and 850 on htcphonestore.com.
If the carrier branded ones were 300$ cheaper (which is never the case, carrier branded phones are usually 100-150 cheaper than htc branded ones) then ATT's would be 500.
If that was the price everybody would buy one signing up for a 2 year contract and cancel their contract after a month.
Ending up spending 375 or 475 (which is still better than 800)
I'm guessing the retail price is probably going to be around 650-750 and the price with a 2 year contract be around 500-600.

I think everyone is failing to see the point... and most of you are right, its probably not $299 up front... i would bet though that its 299 AFTER rebate....
wpbear.. its always good to be banned from somewhere... even i was banned from the cingular forums for speaking out about their poor moderation or lack there of...

shogunmark said:
wpbear.. its always good to be banned from somewhere... even i was banned from the cingular forums for speaking out about their poor moderation or lack there of...
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Is that "street cred" like a rapper needs to sell albums. At least I only have to get banned and not shot like a rapper.

wpbear said:
Is that "street cred" like a rapper needs to sell albums. At least I only have to get banned and not shot like a rapper.
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[email protected], guess i will put my shiney gun away...

shogunmark said:
[email protected], guess i will put my shiney gun away...
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Man.... we didnt need to hear about how you polish your gun....

wpbear said:
I think the front camera and the Tom-Tom Software will be removed and thats all. I think GPS will work but you have to use TeleNav, free google maps, live search or buy your own Tom-Tom. My guess as a geek with no insider info....
I got banned for flaming the asshole 14 year old Tito.
I created a cab file for the Blackjack to auto install overclocking and it works but he was the only one to have a problem. Two forums I posted the cab and he was the only one to need a HR. He *****ed that he lost all his contacts and they were so important. I flamed him cause he tried to blame me for his error and for him not backing up his device. What the **** is so important in contacts that 14 year old has. Anyway I flamed, got banned and told HOFO to **** off. I still read over there and can not stand the stupidity that runs rampant on that bored. Change the name on hofo to "here's your sign" (Redneck Comedy)
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I agree that Tito kid is so annoying! He seems like a rich little brat and says LOL too much!

killershot20 said:
No way it's 299.
and 200 in amazon.com ???
8525's retail price is 599 from att. With a 2 year contract it's 450, which after rebates and everything else it comes down to 350.
the HTC Tytn II is 800 on mobileplanet.com and 850 on htcphonestore.com.
If the carrier branded ones were 300$ cheaper (which is never the case, carrier branded phones are usually 100-150 cheaper than htc branded ones) then ATT's would be 500.
If that was the price everybody would buy one signing up for a 2 year contract and cancel their contract after a month.
Ending up spending 375 or 475 (which is still better than 800)
I'm guessing the retail price is probably going to be around 650-750 and the price with a 2 year contract be around 500-600.
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Keep in mind that AT&T likely sees these devices as big recurring revenue streams - particularly text messaging, data usage, and their pay GPS service. These phones are likely to be sold to tech-savvy customers who use these features extensively. As a result they may even sell these devices at a loss.....

if at&t price does indeed end up being $299, is there any possibility of it driving the unlocked price down?

Replacement Hero's with 2.1 update

Has anyone had their hero replaced recently? I am getting mine replaced on Tuesday and want to know if anyone's came back with 2.1 or 1.5. I hope mine comes with 1.5 so I can enjoy root for two weeks before I upgrade to the EVO.

Ive heard several users say sprint upgraded their phones without consent. Not much you can really do as sprint does not condone rooting.

My phone was stolen last week & the replacement I got on Saturday already had 2.1 installed on it.

You guys should use your brains a little bit and complain to sprint. There is no reason why they should have upgraded you to 2.1 without consent. If you guys complain enough you might get lucky and end up with a replacement 1.5 os or a Evo if you complain enough. Really now there are millions of "People" if thats what you call them with OCD disorders who have thier phones in such a way if they have a SCRATCH on thier screens they will replace thier phones. What do you think they would do if sprint installed 2.1 on thier device when in thier minds 1.5 was the perfect os for them? Do the right thing and complain and get either a replacement or a new phone.

I've heard of people getting Evo's as replacements for their Hero. What are all you guys having wrong with your Hero? Or what are you saying to Sprint? Because the speaker on my phone is starting to break from the dust issue, and the screen is over 50% filled with dust.

I once got 3 months of free service because sprint updated my phone without my consent and the update wiped my sdcard with my data on it. This was a few years ago but complaining is a major deal to them and they advertise publicly that thier customers are happy with thier service... The worst that can happen to you is they will say no so do yourself a favor and complain.

Powers16 said:
You guys should use your brains a little bit and complain to sprint. There is no reason why they should have upgraded you to 2.1 without consent. If you guys complain enough you might get lucky and end up with a replacement 1.5 os or a Evo if you complain enough. Really now there are millions of "People" if thats what you call them with OCD disorders who have thier phones in such a way if they have a SCRATCH on thier screens they will replace thier phones. What do you think they would do if sprint installed 2.1 on thier device when in thier minds 1.5 was the perfect os for them? Do the right thing and complain and get either a replacement or a new phone.
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They don't need permission to update on a replacement phone, only your current one..............

chfields said:
They don't need permission to update on a replacement phone, only your current one..............
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I see your point, but if i sent a 1 topping pizza back to the store because it was cold and the store sent me back a hot supreme pizza i dont think i would be too happy.I wanted a 1 topping pizza i dont like supreme. Regardless of the store's policy the customer is always right. Its a universal language spanned across many venues. I have many issues with Sprint's Policy anyway like their upgrading policy the fact that i can go on craigslist and buy their phones cheaper than what they sell it retail is absurd. The simple fact that every carrier that i have been with has offered discounts for their customers regardless of how long the customer has been with the company.
This was designed to keep the customer in the network and not to venture on ebay and craigslist to buy phones. The fact that paying full price for any phone is retarded. Att and sprint are the only carriers that i know of that are douche bags when it comes to upgrading phones. T mobile doesn't even require money on hand to upgrade to a recent phone they bill it to you. Verizon lets you upgrade to any phone with a new 2 year re contract agreement and you get a discount. So with that said I feel that if your going to pay full price for any phone you have the god given damn right to ***** and rant about any device that is on their network. When it comes to networks like att and sprint you need to be aggressive because they sure as **** don't give a 2 ****s about you.

It arrived!
I just got my new phone back today! I was super lucky and it had 1.5 installed on it! When the sprint rep looked at it he asked me if I wanted him to update it. I just told him that I updated my old one and was unhappy with battery life so I want to keep 1.5 on it. I am currently working on rooting my phone now. So I guess ask them not to update the phone when they get it out.

I had to go through the assurian insurance route to replace mine, I called on Monday and the phone I got yesterday was still on 1.5. I had it mailed to my house, so the dudes in the store couldn't monkey with it. I DID have to manually program it, and then still had to get on chat to get the activation done right (was getting error code 67), but now everything is kosher. I was rooted and back on 2.1 within minutes of reactivating, lol! I'd forgotten how much 1.5 blows goats, lol!

Powers16 said:
I see your point, but if i sent a 1 topping pizza back to the store because it was cold and the store sent me back a hot supreme pizza i dont think i would be too happy.I wanted a 1 topping pizza i dont like supreme. Regardless of the store's policy the customer is always right. Its a universal language spanned across many venues. I have many issues with Sprint's Policy anyway like their upgrading policy the fact that i can go on craigslist and buy their phones cheaper than what they sell it retail is absurd. The simple fact that every carrier that i have been with has offered discounts for their customers regardless of how long the customer has been with the company.
This was designed to keep the customer in the network and not to venture on ebay and craigslist to buy phones. The fact that paying full price for any phone is retarded. Att and sprint are the only carriers that i know of that are douche bags when it comes to upgrading phones. T mobile doesn't even require money on hand to upgrade to a recent phone they bill it to you. Verizon lets you upgrade to any phone with a new 2 year re contract agreement and you get a discount. So with that said I feel that if your going to pay full price for any phone you have the god given damn right to ***** and rant about any device that is on their network. When it comes to networks like att and sprint you need to be aggressive because they sure as **** don't give a 2 ****s about you.
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Well said, my friend. I agree with you on that.

When I tried to do the legit sprint 2.1 update it fried my radio, so I called C/S, and they promptly mailed me a new Hero with 1.5. I think the stores are doing the updates on the phones, not Sprint itself. If you want to phone without the 2.1 already installed, just get it over the phone, or online, NOT at one of their stores.

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If you wanna be right, start your own company. Until then, learn how to follow the rules and agreements you sign up for. If you are going to break those rules, you're always not gonna like the company's answer.. Get over yourself.

Rooting is not a feature that is illegal or "wrong" to do, and it is NOT a feature that Google doesn't want us doing. They sell the Dev Phones for just that reason. You need to go through a process to root to make sure noobs that have never touched a command line flash a Nexus radio or something. Rooting is not a feature that is blocked by default because Google thinks we should stay stock, because Google WANTS us to root our phones. Now Sprint, that's a different story. They want us to keep all their bloatware and Sprint over-brandedness. They don't want us to root. Google wants power-users to root. That and open-source are the only reasons it's built on Linux.

azyouthinkeyeiz said:
If you wanna be right, start your own company. Until then, learn how to follow the rules and agreements you sign up for. If you are going to break those rules, you're always not gonna like the company's answer.. Get over yourself.
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Do you want me to even retaliate with that response? I think i did a damn good job of nailing it on the head. You must have money to throw away and you must not care that much. The rest of us don't have money to throw away and what we do pay for we better damn well get it.
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The Jero said:
My phone was stolen last week & the replacement I got on Saturday already had 2.1 installed on it.
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Same here except mine wasnt stolen i bricked it.
Sprint called it a "Hardware Failure" and i called bull*hit under my breath.

Whats up with Tmobile Customer service?

So I hear that Tmobile keeps winning award after award for Customer Service. Yet in my (so far short) period of time(approx 1 year) i have YET to have a good customer service call.
The situation:
I had to finance my own cell phone bill so i decided to go on flexpay since I was only 18 at the time and was unsure if I would be able to continue payment while being a college student. So after many month I have decided that I would like to do somethings with my account that wont work with Flexpay, one of the majors being Google Voice as a VM service. So I call Tmobile up and ask if i can change to a regular postpayment, they either tell me that no i cant, due to not fulfilling the 6 month of good payment (i have had 9 months of flawless payment i assure you) OR i cant swap to a post payment and remain off contract on an EM+ plan. I have called at least 10 times in the past month and a half and have never been able to get anywhere, half the time i cant even understand what the other person on the line is saying, either they dont speak english clearly and talk way too f'ing fast, or they are so quiet i cant hear them.
Can someone please help me with this, is there a way to get someone who guarantees speaking english or actually knows what they are talking about. Im pretty sure I can go on post payment and remain off contract, but the Reps think otherwise. And whats with my 9 out of the 6 months not counting?! Whenever I ask why, they confirm that i have done 9 months of flawless payment, then respond that they dont know, when i ask if they can connect me with someone that does, i get rerouted back to Tmobiles main menu!!!
I dont know about you guys, i love tmobiles prices but their customer service is total crap. If this is award winning customer service, i shudder to think what the other carrier's customer service is like.
Please help, im really frustrated and about to say "**** it" and move to another carrier!

I have yet to have a bad customer service experience with T-mobile... or to speak to anyone that doesn't speak American English.

Have you tried going into a local branch?
Tried searching the net for an answer and got nothing. I do know my mother had flexpay contract and moved to postpaid contract without issues at all. But no idea on the no contract transfers.
As for T-Mobile, I've had them since I turned 18, now, 5 years later, still with them. They even gave me "Loyalty" rates. It's like $10 cheaper for the unlimited minutes. Never had a problem, nor got a non english speaker. They've given me many several free replacements & deducted fees when I called in over the years.
I can't compare myself, but having worked at Radioshack some time ago, customers rated service in order of best to worst T-Mo >Sprint >Verizon >AT&T . Again, this is only what the customers who I spoke to would rate them as. Hope that helps.

i guess i should clarify, as i wrote the OP when i was kinda steaming.
All the Reps i have gotten are English speaking, but its the degree of difficulty of trying to understand them (for most english is not their first language) that i was talking about. Also, sadly being a college student, who cant drive and lives in another city from his hometown kinda makes it so i cant really go to a tmobile store. But just to make sure im not insane in the brain. (i know ive asked this before here but w/e) Just to confirm, i can transfer to a post payment plan and still remain off contract on a EM+? This is where the language barrier is becoming a problem, because (either i cant understand them or they cant understand me) they have told me many times, that I cannot do that, but im pretty damn sure you can, which is why i was so steamed earlier as i keep calling and they tell me i cant. Now, im not gonna sit there on a phone and argue with a Rep, i'd much rather spend my time ending the call and trying to get with another Rep, but ive gotten more of the "you cant do that" answer instead of the "yeah, sure you can" answer. And whenever I find someone who says I can do that, they put me on hold or they attempt to transfer me, and all the sudden I GET ROUTED TO THE TMOBILE MAIN MENU!!! This cycle is MADDENING!!!!

Just gave the tmobile forums a sweep. No one has asked your question of Flexpay to Even More Plus, so maybe you should post there. It seems to be your best bet for a clarified answer as to if it's possible, then after that if its yes, you'd need to request a supervisor next time if you can.
Flexpay to EvenMore is mentioned as possible, but I didn't see options for plus.
And as a side note, apparently Flexpay customer service is a separate branch... so what you've been experiencing is what many others describe exactly as you do, and it's not what postpaids experience. That sucks. But that explains the awards vs your experience. that blows..

Do not use htccode.com warning!!!

Hello,
I am new to the forum and just wanted to take a brief moment to share my experience regarding sim unlocking my HTC HD2 from TMobile USA.
I read throughout the forum that the unlock code can be obtained through TMo but seeing that I'm in Canada, that wasn't an option. After reading through the forums, i noticed one of the senior members had recommended HTCCODE.COM so I thought I would use their services.
After paying the fee and sending my phone's info, I did not receive any response for several hours and I thought it was bit odd considering they advertised "instant unlock", "unlocked in under a minute". So I followed up with a couple more emails to the administrator of the site but once again, no response. I figured I would turn to site's forum for some solution or help... unfortunately, it was littered with perverted posts, spam, and former disgruntled customers. Seeing that I had obviously gotten myself into a dead-end situation, I thought it best to file a dispute through Paypal. After doing so, surprise, surprise, I finally received a response from the admin saying he was just about to process my code but noticed I had filed a grievance... and he was in the midst of exams and that's why he couldn't moderate the forums So after some back and forth conversation he finally replied saying that the "most up-to-date" (advertised on homepage) database failed to come up with the code but if I (only) pay an additional $15 (total would be now be $35 USD) he can probably procure the unlock from the newest greatest most-most up-to-date omnipotent database! ... I called BS and demanded a refund!!!
Anyways, I'm not going to belabor my story as I'm sure you can figure out where this is going... long story short, after making a few additional requests for a refund, they finally credited my account today.
Finally, just to bring closure to the story, I went to ebay and used CELLSFORLESSNYC ($24.99), where I contacted the person before paying and he was good about replying quickly and answering my questions. In the end, he sent me a working code within about 30mins!
All in all, my recommendation is NOT to use HTCCODE.COM under any circumstance, if you want to be hassled, send ME the money instead and I can give you the run-around for a few days You're better off spending a couple extra bucks and use a faster, reliable service!
As an editorial, I think the whole sim-unlock system is a joke. Personally, I don't think there's an "old database" ~$10, "new database" ~$25, the rule of thumb through my experience (esp on ebay) is, if you have a new phone (up to a year old), expect to pay $20+ regardless of what the adverts say.
Good Luck, and remember:
HTCCODE.COM SCAM
HTCCODE.COM WARNING
HTCCODE.COM SUCKS
HTCCODE.COM TERRIBLE SERVICE
HTCCODE.COM DO NOT USE
HTCCODE.COM NOT MY RECOMMENDATION
HTCCODE.COM AWFUL

Thank you for sharing your story. I'm sure it'll help some people.

Same problem with htccode.com!
First I've sent 15 eur from their site (via Monyebookers), and then he asked for additional 11.55 eur as for "new exclusive database, bla bla", beside that on site is stated:
Unlock any HTC phone locked to any network worldwide instantly!
All phones cost €15 (20% off - normal price €18) to unlock.
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I've sent that difference via moneybookers to his e-mail address. Then I've received some unlock code that was bad. After few days he sent me some application that will 'digg' in phone to find code, because my "network are using different codes, bla bla". App not worked, I've tried it on 3 different computers so asked for refund. After days and days waiting and asking for refund, he finally refunded just 15 eur, and did not want to refund that additional 11.55 eur "as it was not sent from site"...
I'll try to make claim with Moneybookers.
My recommendation is NOT TO USE it as they are very unprofessional with this price rising!
Edit: finally today (13. feb) I've received full refund from them!

i guess u deserve it
buy it from ebay , u can get a refund if it doesnt work out

souljaboy said:
i guess u deserve it
buy it from ebay , u can get a refund if it doesnt work out
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Do you like hate everyone on this forum?

xdunlapx said:
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm sure it'll help some people.
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I hope so... it's too bad this site didn't have a user approved rating system for unlockers (a la eBay) to help weed out the frauds.
...and souljaboy... seriously, why you hatin'?!?!?

Same story
Same problem, totally and utterly unresponsive after getting the money. I opened a dispute on Paypal and even then the guy didn't respond. One hopes nothing serious has happened to him. In any case, Paypal refunded to me. I recommend GSMLiberty instead.

mine wasnt even $9 on ebay , how u guys come up with these fools is beyond me

ive had the same problem with http://unlockcellphonecode.com, its been 10 days and ive sent numerous emails asking for a refund but they have not responded. Google checkout should be sending me a refund soon though so im not stressing about it.

souljaboy said:
mine wasnt even $9 on ebay , how u guys come up with these fools is beyond me
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Ha ha, this guys funny. At least when we get to see posts, we can identify idiots such as yourself.
Back on topic, I think there are quite a few warnings about this site scattered around XDA. I had him asking for more money after his claim of 'We unlock all HTC' and I asked for a refund immediately, which I had to go through PayPal to get.
PayPal should just close this guys account, it's basically a scam.

AndyCr15 said:
Ha ha, this guys funny. At least when we get to see posts, we can identify idiots such as yourserf
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paying triple price for something and still acting around like that shows ur a potentional apple fanboy, maybe just without the money

Ha ha, see. I think maybe he drinks when he posts.

Trying to choose where to work: At&T or Verizon

what's up guys.
long time member, but i dont post much... i use the search button ALOT!
but i did have a question about an employment oppurtunity....
i have two sales rep positions i got offered and i dont know which one to go with, being with ATT and Verizon.
i try to do extensive research before i make a major decision b/c i'm just coming out of college and want to embed myself within a company and grow as high as possible...
my situation: just graduated college, and attending school in Dallas to work on my masters in Finance.
i've made a bit of a list, but still torn between the two.
ATT: part time (30 hours) at 12.75 plus commision... they said i get a phone, business cards, and tons of discounts. They offer tuition reimbursement, but i'm not sure how much... also, the company headquarters are located IN the city i'm going to school in. the store is full of OLDER people, so i know i could do well in sales being the new young guy...
plus, there's just a different vibe in that store when i go in... its in a VERY affluent part of town (frisco and plano)
i talked to a sales associate that was part time and he said he raked in $45K last year... so i think i would be able to live off that! i do not know the structure of the commision, though, so i dont know how possible that is.
Verizon: full time... havent discussed my hourly , perks, or extras (if yall have any info on that, please let me know). They offer tuition reimbursement as well, but its for MAX 8K...
looks like the store is full of younger guys, but still older than me. its in a nice part of town as well. (flowermound, lewisville area).
i'm very torn on which one to go with. can someone please provide some insight into being a retail associate for either or both of these companies. it would be greatly appreciated.

I don't know about retail associate but i work for att as an outside plant maintenance splicer here in California and its a very good job! One of the best paying jobs in my area. And att was the second most profitable company in the USA last year behind Exxon oil. Unfortunately right now we are working without a contract as we are CWA union but so is Verizon. But i think att mobility has a different contract. Anyways just thought id give you my experience!
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Based on money, I would probably choose ATT because you said the store is full of older people and you said you get commission. A lot of times older people are easier to convince then your younger crowd, and older people are more willing to listen to a representative.
Based on happiness, I would also choose ATT because it seems like ATT is more interested in offering you the job since they have already discussed money, perks, etc, and they will be more interested in you. (That's a good thing)
Also, the Frisco/Plano area is a better place to live as it has better malls, nicer houses, better restaurants, etc.

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@Ali: that's what I've been thinking... the area is pretty nice and I think the money would flow. Being full time at Verizon would be pretty sweet. I'm not sure if I would make paper like that though.
Have you ever visited the Dallas area? Plano/Frisco is that much nicer than flowermound?
@eroracing: that's great. The thing I'm looking for most is a place to grow... I think I'm talented enough, plus I'll have the educational aspect, to make moves up the ladder.

You'll definitely get a better selection of phones from AT&T. As to work atmosphere, I feel like AT&T stores are a lot lower pressure when I go in than VZ, but VZ tends to have more customers the majority of the time. With all the switchups going on with service right now I have no idea what the future will look like, though.

to be honest, its not just about the phones...
however, the appeal of even a GSM phone would be very enticing...

Don't sell your soul to AT&T.

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what makes you say that? i have to sell my soul to either att or verizon!

Verizon VS AT&T
It's been a while... Who did you actually choose? I have two opportunities for part-time with Verizon and full-time with AT&T. Just got done with my third interview for each one of them. I like AT&T better.. just the atmosphere of the stores for being a sales rep. I went to both during busy hrs and Verizon was kind of... idk careless with their customers. However, Verizon does have much better benefits but theyre not a union. I know AT&T is still amazing pay, but verizon is by far better. But i don't get the happy vibe from them as I do from AT&T... and I am looking for a long time position while I continue my education, At this point I think its either for the money/benefits or for the happy job. Also AT&T doesnt give you full benefits until after 6 months of employment, Verizon starts you from day 1. My boyfriend says I can always work my way up and if I don't like the customer service they provide at the store I can try and change that.
So i guess I answered my question. But also the co-manager that interviewed me for AT&T, he's been in the company for 2 months and just switched from Verizon after being manager for them for over 4 years. & so is their #1 Northern California sales rep. He said something within the lines of not getting enough recognition. If I get the offers I want to make sure I make the right choice. Can you please let me know which one you ended up picking, that'd be very very helpful ... thank you