I'm looking for a android device to start learning and experimenting on...would like to learn Java in the long run.
I feel a nexus device is probably the best place to start but God dang! that Bezel! Can't stop staring at it...like a huge mole on someones nose or something lol
It should of been 7.7" !!!
Its really putting me off pre ordering, now i'll have to wait and see it in person.
I'm beggining to get my hopes up that Asus will soon release a 'better' version like samsung does after producing the nexus phones.
Too bad you don't like it - but you hold the tablet by the bezel.
In landscape, you hold it with both hands...
Personally, I prefer holding the bezel to accidentally clicking on the touch surface.
I don't see a problem with the bezel. On a phone it would be overkill but you hold tablets in a different way unless you have huge monster hands.
I've also decided to try my hand at a bit of coding and I can't wait until I get to the stage when I can apply it on my Nexus 7 (when I get it).
I'm not talking about the side bezel (portrait mode) its the thick top and bottom that gets me. I feel that even when i'm using it, it will get under my skin. I hope it grows on me in 2 weeks (should be released by then).
The thickness of it seems more than adequate for gripping it properly...even though now that I was holding up a magazine I'm starting to see your point.
It still should of been 7.7 though
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I've also decided to try my hand at a bit of coding and I can't wait until I get to the stage when I can apply it on my Nexus 7 (when I get it).
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Do you currently code?
What you looking to get into?
Yeh I agree aswell. 7.7 would've been a great form factor. Like Samsung's model.
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The Nexus 7 is 7". If you want something different, don't buy it. It's that simple.
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The Nexus 7 is 7". If you want something different, don't buy it. It's that simple.
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Wow whose getting their panties in a twist? Why are you getting all defensive their dude?
I just shared my opinion to see if I was the only one and obviously there was a reason to a thick bezel. Thanks to a couple of friendly fellow members above they proved to me that the top and bottom bezel is handy...so i'll probably use it and forget about the bezel.
Same goes for design, maybe it has its place that I just didn't consider
Martias Duarte, the current Director of User Experience at Android, said the large bezels were a conscious choice, for both aesthetic and usability reasons. He said it will probably go under appreciated, and may even remain unnoticed, but he holds the design of the Nexus 7 very close to his heart.
The asymmetrical bezels were implemented so that you can hold the device nicely in landscape, play games efficiently, and also because artwork is often matted asymmetrically.
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Do you currently code?
What you looking to get into?
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No but it's always something I've liked the idea of. I like to think that my mind works in a logical way (although I guess that remains to be seen).
I don't really know where I want it to lead. At the moment its just a challenge I have set myself. I am starting right at the foundations on CodeAcademy (which uses Javascript). Just finishing the tutorial section on functions.
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The Nexus 7 is 7". If you want something different, don't buy it. It's that simple.
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Yea really, its not worth getting frustrated or bummed out about.. That's what it is, so either buy it or don't buy it.
Make sure Google checks the forums before they make their next product to make sure every spec that everyone wants will be in the device.
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I'm looking for a android device to start learning and experimenting on...would like to learn Java in the long run.
It should of been 7.7" !!!
That's what she said!
Sorry, couldn't help it.
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I have a nook color, and I can speak for the need of a large bezel on a 7" device. I ended up getting a case that folds like a book just so that I'd have something else to hold on to.
I disagree with Matias Duarte completely on the need for larger bezels. I don't mind a thicker device, but I absolutely want the front face to be all screen and no bezel (i.e. a few mm on the side and 5 mm top and bottom). Any concerns for aesthetics (really?) or the need to hold on to something are overridden by the desire to get the thing in a jacket pocket. Nevertheless I ordered a Nexus 7 not because I appreciate the physical design - I don't, I think it's ugly. But who cares, I wanted the Nexus experience and after being disappointed by all the Nexus phones, at least now I can get a device with low financial commitment (low initial cost and no monthly plan) that is the pure Google experience.
I hope in the future that Google comes out with a Nexus 6 using something like Toshiba's very high resolution 6" panel with almost no bezel. Until then, I'll play with the Nexus 7 and dream about the future.
Dara Parsavand
First world problems! jk
I'm fine with the 7" design. It don't matter to me because I just want a more portable tablet for use while on the bus to work. My TouchPad is too bulky for everyday use (for me at least).
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It still should of been 7.7 though
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it hurts my eyes ...
http://www.engvid.com/grammar-past-tense-should/
well there are rumors of a larger nexus tablet. imo the nexus 7 is the perfect size. its about the size of a dvd case which is easy to handle with one hand, large enough to read pages and small enough to where you dont have to carry it in purse or backpack.
I think the bezel on the bottom really sticks out because of those on screen soft keys. I realize that has been pretty standard since ICS though. I don't know how much sense Matias Duarte makes on the whole design of the bezel on the Nexus 7 as being similar to a matted frame. I haven't seen a whole lot of framing with a longer bottom bezel. I've had artwork professionally framed a couple of times, one is hanging in my room, and everything is centered. I could be wrong though. I don't know much about framing aesthetics.
That being said, I'd rather have a higher resolution 7" screen with greater pixel density than a lower res, less ppi 7.7" screen.
I don't think the design of the Nexus 7 is perfect by any means, but this is an affordable tablet. Compared to the Nook Tablet and the Fire, this thing looks pretty decent. Sure it's no Galaxy Tab or iPad, but it's not really at those price points.
>I haven't seen a whole lot of framing with a longer bottom bezel.
Both Nook Tablet and Kindle Fire have the same asymmetric "bottom heavy" bezel design. Much more pronounced on the Nook.
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Yes, but that doesn't exactly fit with their cost-cutting approach.
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I'm beggining to get my hopes up that Asus will soon release a 'better' version like samsung does after producing the nexus phones.
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Unlikely that Asus would bring out a tablet competing with itself anytime soon. Acer's Iconia A110 should be due in Q3 though. (but it's not 7.7 either as far as I know).
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I was thinking about this today, so I went and had another look and feel at the 7.7 As mentioned somewhere in this thread, it makes it more 'pocketable' and is still OK to hold and grip, turn into landscape mode etc.
It however is not going to be the deciding factor of my purchase. The price of the 7.7 here is over £450 ... that is mad money, the new iPad cost less and the Nexus will cost less than half that!
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I am starting right at the foundations on CodeAcademy (which uses Javascript). Just finishing the tutorial section on functions.
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Cool, good luck with that. Can you post a link to the tutorials please.
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it hurts my eyes ...
http://www.engvid.com/grammar-past-tense-should/
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hahahah thanked ! :laugh:
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>I haven't seen a whole lot of framing with a longer bottom bezel.
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I wish there was a picture comparison to a 7.7 samsung
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Yes, but that doesn't exactly fit with their cost-cutting approach.
Unlikely that Asus would bring out a tablet competing with itself anytime soon. Acer's Iconia A110 should be due in Q3 though. (but it's not 7.7 either as far as I know).
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Thanks for the informative post! The 7.7 would of raise the price significantly I imagine, you're right
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It's Official our beloved Nook Color has been Outclassed Completely as best Developer Tablet
Meet the Nexus 7:
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It's got Specs that Dwarf anything Amazon and B&N have yet somehow manages to claim the same Price Tag. Here are the Specs:
7-inch 1280 x 800 display
Quad-processor
Tegra 3 12-core GPU
8 GB and 16 GB models
1 GB of RAM
1.2 MP front-facing camera
Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC, gyroscope
9 hours video playback
300 hours standby
340 grams
Chrome as standard browser
$199 8gb($249 16gb), shipping mid-July to US, Canada, Australia and UK, preorders available today
Includes $25 credit in Google Play store, lots of preloaded goodies
That List One Ups anything else Available in this Price Range. It's Available for Preorder from the Google Play Store HERE
So what do you think of B&N and Amazon's new monolithic Competitor?
I'll definitely be getting one for the hardware (the phone UI throws me). I haven't decided if I'll sell the NC cheap, or re-purpose it for use around the house. It can always be used for use in kitchen as a media stream, living room for remote control, perhaps the car as a GPS/receiver. The NC isn't completely dead :fingers-crossed:
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I'll definitely be getting one for the hardware (the phone UI throws me). I haven't decided if I'll sell the NC cheap, or re-purpose it for use around the house. It can always be used for use in kitchen as a media stream, living room for remote control, perhaps the car as a GPS/receiver. The NC isn't completely dead :fingers-crossed:
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Yeah, with CM9 the Nook Color finally is getting the Tablet treatment it deserves(Not Customised Phone like CM7) but with the Nexus 7 I'm actually considering the selling of my NC that I've used and loved for 2 1/2 years. This is the most torn I've felt in awhile. With the NC only just getting ICS(and still missing certain important things as of now), the Nexus 7 with Jellybean and Quad-Core CPU is flat-out tough to ignore.
My Nook has been my constant companion for a year and a half..had a half dozen different roms starting with autonooter. I even purchased a murse (man purse) to carry it in.... Really going to be hard to put it on a shelf!!!! BUT, this thing looks great and the price for the 16g is what I paid for my Nook!!! And I have a birthday coming in two weeks!!!:silly:
But no SD slot. And phone GUI is standard, even though HD device.
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But no SD slot. And phone GUI is standard, even though HD device.
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Where did you hear about Phone UI? And how is that necessarily a bad thing? Who knows if it works better or not, we haven't gotten our hands on Jellybean yet. Lack of MicroSD slot I agree is a big Con but let's hold out on whether the UI will be bad. The Phone UI on JB might just work better on a 7" screen then the Tablet UI. On CM9 I do notice how things are Kind of squashed/cramped in Tablet Apps with the NC and it can get annoying.
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Where did you hear about Phone UI? And how is that necessarily a bad thing? Who knows if it works better or not, we haven't gotten our hands on Jellybean yet. Lack of MicroSD slot I agree is a big Con but let's hold out on whether the UI will be bad. The Phone UI on JB might just work better on a 7" screen then the Tablet UI. On CM9 I do notice how things are Kind of squashed/cramped in Tablet Apps with the NC and it can get annoying.
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check out the device pictures and the video on the Play device store page. I too am reserving judgement till I've played with one in person
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The Phone UI on JB might just work better on a 7" screen then the Tablet UI. On CM9 I do notice how things are Kind of squashed/cramped in Tablet Apps with the NC and it can get annoying.
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I didn't say the phone gui was bad. I use the phone gui on my nook color and like it. I just wanted people to know that's how it came. No tablet gui.
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I didn't say the phone gui was bad. I use the phone gui on my nook color and like it. I just wanted people to know that's how it came. No tablet gui.
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Sorry, didn't mean to point fingures.
One other downside.....no reason to root right away!!!!:laugh::crying:
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-hands-and-initial-review
Answers our UI question. They have changed it so that Tablets(at Least 7inchers) get the Phone UI but made it so it takes advantage of the larger screen. So yes it's the Phone UI, but No it doesn't suck like the Android 2.2 and 2.3 UIs did.
japzone said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-7-hands-and-initial-review
Answers our UI question. They have changed it so that Tablets(at Least 7inchers) get the Phone UI but made it so it takes advantage of the larger screen. So yes it's the Phone UI, but No it doesn't suck like the Android 2.2 and 2.3 UIs did.
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The phone GUI on the Nexus is exactly the same as ICS in phone mode. Thin status bar on top and bigger, centered navbar at the bottom. Like I said earlier, I use it and like it. Google said they were trying to streamline and standardize the user experience.
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Exciting stuff.
Well I preordered it. I had skipped the kindle/NT (though I do adore the omap4s, I didn't want to reward BN for locking their bootloader)... but dalingrin talked me into this months ago when it was that announced $250 ASUS 7" quad core device, so now that it's finally out I'm getting one.
Also just loaned away my TP-- 10.1" is too big for me, at least with that heavy monster. It was a great deal and a great project, but 7" is right for me.
That said- my NC is my baby and it ain't goin' nowhere.
NC vs Nexus Etc
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Well I preordered it. I had skipped the kindle/NT (though I do adore the omap4s, I didn't want to reward BN for locking their bootloader)... but dalingrin talked me into this months ago when it was that announced $250 ASUS 7" quad core device, so now that it's finally out I'm getting one.
Also just loaned away my TP-- 10.1" is too big for me, at least with that heavy monster. It was a great deal and a great project, but 7" is right for me.
That said- my NC is my baby and it ain't goin' nowhere.
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Hear! Hear! You Certainly have helped make the NC so great.
I would have loved to get a Nexus if it had a sd card slot
Would have bought a Nexus 7 today if it would have had an SD card slot. Oh well.
Preordered 2 of the 16gb models and sold my NC for $115 (w/2g SD) just now. Sooooo.... Here's my last post in the Nook Color forum: Thanks for the fun, devs - see you in the Nexus 7 forum!
There's a case too...
A quick tip for anyone grabbing a n7-- if you get the case, do it in the same purchase order, and you won't be charged extra for shipping.
If you already ordered before the case made its appearance in the store (as I did earlier today), you can call google, cancel the old order and do a new combined one.
$20 for a custom case is a pretty good deal i think considering that HP was charging $70 or something even AFTER they discontinued the touchpad.
As for the venerable NC-- it was introduced in 2010, remember. And its growing inexpense and SD-bootability make it, I think, still a great, fun device for learning to mess around w/Android without much risk of bricking.
(That said, keep in mind I still think the Apple II is awesome :cyclops
The lack of user loadable storage (SDCard) completely destroyed any chance of getting this on my part. I'll probably play with my Nook Color until it either goes bust or something else comes along that is the Nexus + SDCard. This is a disappointing misstep as far as I'm concerned.
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Man, Fat tire and Dalingrin getting one and who knows what other awesome devs are getting one. I have a strong feeling development on this is going to be epic!
I'll also be getting one as soon as I can ( probably on my trip to europe in august )
Lot's of exciting things
Tho , I still hope kernel 3.x will take a giant step forward soon so I can use the nook as the CarPc replacement I intended it for and my N7 as my fun/development tablet
I really hope the PDK will bring some exciting times
one article said they decided to open it to all users instead of just oems - if that's true it might be one of the biggest things ever ( like all-in-all sources library , oem and developers work together )
Heh, yes it's time for yet another versus thread: Nexus 7 vs IdeaPad A2109.
Both have 16GB, 1280x800 res, Teg3.
N7 has 7" LCD, JB.
Idea has 9" LCD, HDMI-out, rear cam, micro-SD. It has 4.0, so there'll be a lag in getting CM10.
Worth it for +$50? Wait for sale at MicroCenter for $250?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...1du_9_Tablet_Nv_T30Sl_1_2_1_16Gb_Android.html (in stock)
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It really boils down to what you prefer. I like the size of the nexus 7 my only gripe is I wish it had an option for tablet view by default. Having a rear camera is pretty much point less. I never used it on my ipad, its quicker and easier to just use your cellphone. A high resolution front camera would have been nice but they have to save something for the next nexus tablet.
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Thats a lenovo, right? if so, no develooement support from cds really. the crazy developement we have for N7 is worth it alone, imo. plus we know jb is performing well on n7. not sure how ics is performing on ideapad.
Isnt this lenovo attempt to copy apple with a square tablet aka 4:3 aspect ratio? I like the 16.9 or 16:10 widescreen formats. better for multimedia. I know lenovo releases a square tsblet. not sure if its this one.
Nothing beats direct os support from google... At least for me...
>Isnt this lenovo attempt to copy apple with a square tablet aka 4:3 aspect ratio?
That's the S2109, which has OMAP4430. The A2109 is 16:10 and Teg3. Yeah, confusing.
Yep, we'll see how the reviews fare, and it'll be worth waiting to see what kind of 9" or 10" KF2 Amazon has lined up for Sep 6 announcement. I'm not worried about dev support. As long as it's a decent tablet, then $300 for a 9" (with micro-SD expansion) is a great deal => many will buy one => good dev support. Same goes for KF2.
I don't see this directly competing with N7, but more with the 10" tabs. Only N7 competitors will be a possible KF2, and of course the iPad mini.
>Nothing beats direct os support from google... At least for me...
I think CM10 will come along much faster than CM9, and since all these cheap Teg3 tabs have same underpinnings, I don't see much of a lag time to get JB as older tabs had with ICS. So, yes, direct Goog support is always good, but it's not an essential as, say, for the Xoom. The micro-SD means more to me.
That's a pretty good deal.
I think I paid like $280 (including tax and shipping) for my 16 GB Nexus 7, although it did come with a $25 Google Play credit.
I'd wait to see if it gets Cyanogenmod support or something though
A2109: 167 DPI
N7: 213 DPI
For me, there's no comparison. I'll never get anything less than 200 DPI again, and stare at a bunch of ugly pixellated text.
The one I just bought from Best Buy does not have a micro-SD card slot. I wonder if the one @ B&H really has one. There's a review up at gsminsider.com (in Chinese) that says it does not. B&H also lists it as having GPS, but mine does not have that, either.
Edit: Mine has GPS after all, but no micro-SD card slot unless it's hiding under the speaker cover panel...
I've posted as little more info here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30778633
Lenovo? Nuff said. Stay away from it.
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>The one I just bought from Best Buy does not have a micro-SD card slot.
Major bummer, but for the price it's still is a good value. Can you post some close-ups? Not that I don't believe you, but a thousand words and all that.
Funny thing, went Googling for tab specs and found this "confidential" doc for A2109A. This 'A' version has the OMAP 4430 and listed a micro-SD port. It was supposed to be out in July. I guess the Kai deal came along, and Lenovo peeps retrofitted to get quad. Sad about the zapped SD port.
http://shop.lenovo.com/ISS_Static/WW/LA/Direct/es/co/products/tablets/ideapad/A2109A Datasheet.pdf
BTW, the OMAP4 version listed on the Lenovo is the older S2109. The new A2109 is only listed below in "new products," with no specs.
http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/new-products/
>For me, there's no comparison. I'll never get anything less than 200 DPI again, and stare at a bunch of ugly pixellated text.
Higher res would've been nicer of course. I think 1280x800 is fine for 10" (or 9"), given the lower price. It does pose an interesting comparison between this and the Acer A700 32GB, which is $425 at Newegg. A700's excessive heat ish scared me off.
Anyway, more cheap tabs to come. Acer A210 should be here shortly, and will take over the A200 slot at $250 ($300?). Also Teg3. Downer? Possibly short battery life, like the A200. But BL should be open as with rest of Acer tabs, and it will have full USB port.
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why? they make solid laptops.
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>The one I just bought from Best Buy does not have a micro-SD card slot.
Major bummer, but for the price it's still is a good value. Can you post some close-ups? Not that I don't believe you, but a thousand words and all that.
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There are pictures at gsminsider.com. Looks just like the one @ best Buy...
Just search for A2109 at gsminsider.com. There are pictures in the linked review.
Sorry, but I can't post a direct link (< 10 posts, here).
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If by solid you mean solid pieces of feces, then yes, you're right. Over the past 2 years I have bought 4 Lenovo laptops for my customers, from high end to mid range. All of them came back to me with fatal issues, 3 of which were motherboard failure. I'd understand if it was a single model having QA issues, but this was multiple models over a 2 year period. I don't trust Lenovo at all anymore. Or Intel boards.
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I have no problem with my Lenovo laptop at all.
I am very interested in the A2109 with its 9" and HDMI out.
Thinking about the Note 10.1, but it may be too expensive for a toy for me...
Is there any word or feeling of community development with this tablet? I am quite interested in this tablet. I have a N7 and love JB and CM10. I would love to be running both of these with this new tablet. It would certainly be a deal breaker for me. It seems that this tablet has no hype and is very underground.Thanks
Lets put tthis bluntly ..lol. there's no hype about it because no one really pressed about it.Lenovo is low key. They do put out some good stuff. But xda developement has always been dead for it. Lets put it this way. Toshiba has better xda support than lenovo. And Toshiba has none..lol. Toshiba and Lenovo are likely the two worst companies whennit comes to xda support. If xda developer support is a concern, then move on stick with nexus 7 or galaxy note 10.1 those are the 2 hottest devices on the market rigght now in tablets. All the major players. Flocking to those devices.
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Lets put tthis bluntly ..lol. there's no hype about it because no one really pressed about it.Lenovo is low key. They do put out some good stuff. But xda developement has always been dead for it. Lets put it this way. Toshiba has better xda support than lenovo. And Toshiba has none..lol. Toshiba and Lenovo are likely the two worst companies whennit comes to xda support. If xda developer support is a concern, then move on stick with nexus 7 or galaxy note 10.1 those are the 2 hottest devices on the market rigght now in tablets. All the major players. Flocking to those devices.
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Thanks for the quick reply. I wish that there was a bigger development scene for this because it has everything I wish the N7 had.
The idea pad is huge not 7 inch and won't fit into your pocket
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Well you cant really fit the N7 in your pocket either lol
Played with one tonight at Best Buy. Screen wasn't as bad as I feared but it's definitely not great. Also strangely uncomfortable to hold for any length of time. Didn't see a microSD slot (at least one site is reporting expandable memory as a feature). Snappy performance. Nothing else really stood out.
Edit: to clarify, when I say the screen isn't great, I'd say out of the N7, GTab2, and iPad, it's definitely the worst of the bunch
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/2/3589280/google-nexus-4-review
Enjoy!
Thanks.
They are cute to keep the notification LED on when photographing.
I'm anxiously waiting for Android Police's review.
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I accidentally knocked the device off of my dining table and onto a hardwood floor... cracking the glass on the back
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I live in the US and I don't care for LTE. If you have to pay lots and lots of money for internet service on your phone, you wouldn't care. I am mostly on WIFI and many places where I live has Wifi hotspots. and HSPA+ gives me about 1MBps which is more than enough for my non-WiFi Connection.
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Yeah, like wtf. So when Apple had glass on their phone for 2 years straight it wasn't a problem but a design of a sleek phone. Now when a Nexus has it, it's a problem because the moron dropped it? Really?
His giving the screen a score of 8, but giving the screen on the Optimus G a 9 seems a little odd.
Disappointing.
I'll probably just stick with my GS2 and wait for my free upgrade in April.
That was a pretty bad review.
The only thing I heard in the video review was: "It has no LTE, yada yada... So basically don't buy it because it DOES NOT HAVE LTE etc etc" The guy sounds like a complete moron only focusing on something idiotic like that.
What I also don't understand is that he gives the Optimus G screen a 9 and the Nex4 an 8. Aren't they identical!?
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Yeah, like wtf. So when Apple had glass on their phone for 2 years straight it wasn't a problem but a design of a sleek phone. Now when a Nexus has it, it's a problem because the moron dropped it? Really?
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Yeah i kinda lol'd, i do agree it would suck a lot, especially given you can't easily replace it(but atleast probably both easier and cheaper than the iphone), but still, this didn't seem to be a very huge point with either the iPhone 4 or the 4s.
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That glass covering is cause for concern, however. While testing the phone, I accidentally knocked the device off of my dining table and onto a hardwood floor... cracking the glass on the back. It's a small fracture, but had I just paid $300 for the device, I would be irate, and I'm not sure what LG or Google's policy is on replacement.
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The glass back — while incredibly prone to shattering on impact — feels as sleek and sexy as ever.
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His giving the screen a score of 8, but giving the screen on the Optimus G a 9 seems a little odd.
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Maybe the screen is calibrated differently, or there are quality fluctuations between the screens.
Camera is better than expected, which was pretty much my only concern with this device. :good:
CRACK OMG I am going to get an otter box for this phone.
I read the whole thing, and its a crap review - so don't bother,
I constantly got the feeling that because this retard broke the back of his phone, it now 'breaks easily' and the fact of no LTE is a big no-no for this guy, so I got the feeling throughout the whole review, that he preferred other devices because of these 2 things.
Even stating its the fastest phone hes used, with super battery etc - the tone of the review all led back to his own stupidity of dropping it on a hard floor and the lack of LTE.
To Verge:
LTE is not the norm AT ALL!
UK has one network only offering it, and its only in selected cities - LTE also gives very little performance increase for browsing (only downloading)
This guy speaks like a typical American, sorry. (Generic)
He's arrogant enough to think America has it, so assumes everyone else has (or doesn't care that nobody else has it,but because he can get it and wants it - then it should have it or its crap), and because he wants to load websites a second longer and boast of speed test results, doesn't mean everyone is willing to double their monthly costs for LTE when most people use internet for just browsing, not to mention the crazy data caps, high battery drain etc that LTE brings - it also slows down software updates!
Im glad the review cleared up super performance & battery - but the rest just stunk of bitterness for his own stupidity.
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I'm not sure what to make of it lol.
In his unscientific battery life test he says it's good, but according to Anandtech and Engadget battery life is slightly better than the Galaxy Nexus but worse than the Optimus G.
guys read endgadget review and forgot about the verge **** one : http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-4-review/
I am currently running a Galaxy S3 and am considering this phone or the Optimus G .. 4.2 looks incredible, not sure how long it would take LG to update their flagship phone to the current software. Since they built the Nexus 4 you would think that they would have a head start.
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guys read endgadget review and forgot about the verge **** one : http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-4-review/
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Thanks,
This panel is one of the best you can get right now, and is on par with the 720p displays we've played with on the One X and Samsung Galaxy S III. It ranks in between those two competitors when it comes to color saturation. The darks are as dark as you'll see on the One X (but less than the GS3), and the whites are brighter than on either rival phone. We also noticed that the Nexus shows off the darkest reds and magentas, as well as the lightest greens and yellows. As a result, your viewing experience may differ slightly from other 720p displays, but we've been very pleased with what we've seen on the Nexus 4.
Android 4.2
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Thats more like it, it should be similar to ONE X but of course, different colour reproductions always differ from screens, this is neither a good, or bad thing - some colours will look better than one x, whilst others will look better on one x - but a review saying on-par, is what we all expected - certainly the opposite of what verge said.
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guys read endgadget review and forgot about the verge **** one : http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/02/nexus-4-review/
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Thanks, I'd much rather read the Engadget review. The Verge guys are always a bunch of tools, I never take them seriously.
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I read the whole thing, and its a crap review - so don't bother,
I constantly got the feeling that because this retard broke the back of his phone, it now 'breaks easily' and the fact of no LTE is a big no-no for this guy, so I got the feeling throughout the whole review, that he preferred other devices because of these 2 things.
Even stating its the fastest phone hes used, with super battery etc - the tone of the review all led back to his own stupidity of dropping it on a hard floor and the lack of LTE.
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:laugh: The baby crying for dropping his candies on the floor?
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He's arrogant enough to think America has it, so assumes everyone else has (or doesn't care that nobody else has it,but because he can get it and wants it .....
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From time to time, some of them do forget they're also watched by the other 95% population on the planet.:laugh::laugh:
My Brother, is an iPhone guy, mainly for it's smaller size, says he wants to go Android, he really likes the Nexus or Galaxy S3 phones, but says they are way too large, and is a big turn off to a lot of people. And also says the home button on bottom front of the iPhone, is a very important feature to have, you can turn the phone on with one finger while sitting on the desk, to check things. He said most Android phones you need to press the side button to turn on, and while phone is sitting on the desk, that is really a two hand operation.
The big thing he said, which I LOL'd big time, he said will make a $50 money bet right now on this statement; "By the end of 2014, all top end Android phones like the Nexus 6 and Galaxy S5, will realize they have gotten way too large, and will go back down to the proper size and width of the iPhone 4." He didn't say or expect screen size, but said the WIDTH, he said by end of 2014 top Android phones will go down to iPhone 4 WIDTH. He knows the screen size will always be larger on Android compared to the iPhone, but says they are mainly way too wide, and will shrink the width by end next year.
My opinion is that NO WAY will this happen, Android phones in 2013 will be larger than their previous 2012 version. Of course they will reach a point to stop growing in size, can't keep getting bigger year after year, but NO WAY do I see them going backwards to iPhone 4 WIDTH by end of 2014.
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I would take that bet without even thinking. All signs point to the phones staying this large size. Personally my g/f and I will never be able to go back to anything the size iPhone 4 after using the S3 and Note 2. My g/f is 5 feet so she's pretty small, and not once has she complained about her S3 being too big to operate with one hand. She's currently eyeing my Note 2 and waiting to see what the S4 is going to hold.
I would even be willing to bet that by 2014 the iPhone 6 or 6s will have a larger screen probably 4"+ at the very least.
I personally like my Nexus size @ 4.7", it's not too large like the Note 2, and not small like like the iPhone 5.
I had the Galaxy Nexus too, and now the Nexus 4, I find this size very comfortable, just right.
He's thinking too much like an Apple user. There's no such thing as "Android Phone" - the market is full of different sizes already. Android is not restricted to one form factor, unlike iPhones.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/05/sony-reveals-3-5-inch-xperia-e-smartphone-in-single-or-dual-sim/
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He's thinking too much like an Apple user. There's no such thing as "Android Phone" - the market is full of different sizes already. Android is not restricted to one form factor, unlike iPhones.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/05/sony-reveals-3-5-inch-xperia-e-smartphone-in-single-or-dual-sim/
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I love android
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Now my Brother complaining about another Android OS issue, compared to iPhone, he is asking, on a Nexus 7 tablet he's trying "How can I move the cursor to the 'end' of an input box, like in Google search page...? If you have a long sentence in there, seems impossible to move to the right"
He says again "See, on my iPhone browser, If I'm on Google and I want to add more to my long search screen, the minute I tap the box it places the cursor on the far right. That way if u need to add or delete stuff from the end, u can do it"
My brother says swimming in a lake is like swimming in a pond or pool..
Typical iPhone user set in their ways androids will always vairey that's the biggest benefit of android not being tied to one spec or size.I owned an iPhone but when I complained regarding signal I received email telling me I was holding my phone incorrectly lost faith in it,which to this day you still see people holding them that way which I think a lot of younger people don't even realise how that came about and personally I find funny as was Apple's answer to gaining a decent connection.
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Now my Brother complaining about another Android OS issue, compared to iPhone, he is asking, on a Nexus 7 tablet he's trying "How can I move the cursor to the 'end' of an input box, like in Google search page...? If you have a long sentence in there, seems impossible to move to the right"
He says again "See, on my iPhone browser, If I'm on Google and I want to add more to my long search screen, the minute I tap the box it places the cursor on the far right. That way if u need to add or delete stuff from the end, u can do it"
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He's got a good point. That's been an annoyance on Android that's never been resolved. On the Nexus One at least there was a trackball which you could use to move the curser to the end of the line of text, but no Android phones have that ability currently.
It's definitely a problem that's long overdue for a fix.
Of course, with the Apple method as you've just described it, if you wanted to edit somewhere in the middle of the line the curser is going to jump to the end and you'd have to delete back to where you want to edit.
But you get a pointer that you can drag left and right to move the cursor, so what's the problem? Touch... slide... hold. Not does the cursor start where you touch (as it should do), but you have a ridiculously simple way of moving it.
Am I missing something?
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But you get a pointer that you can drag left and right to move the cursor, so what's the problem? Touch... slide... hold. Not does the cursor start where you touch (as it should do), but you have a ridiculously simple way of moving it.
Am I missing something?
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Just tried it on my S2 (JB),and you're right, that behaviour has been massively improved. I've not long moved from a Gingerbread device and it was in dire need of a fix. looks like ICS/JB has done the trick.
I suppose he believes there's only 2 Android Phones? Because the S3 Mini is a lot smaller.
One of the main reasons most people (those 82% of the market, in fact.) don't want an iPhone is the tiny screen... Well, that and the lack of customisation.
Also, this home button thing. There's apps for putting a phone to sleep, and you can wake an SGS up with the.. ohhh, big button on the front!
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Of course, with the Apple method as you've just described it, if you wanted to edit somewhere in the middle of the line the curser is going to jump to the end and you'd have to delete back to where you want to edit.
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You do. I believe there's some sort of loop-feature thing that somehow pops up, but I couldn't find it. Spend half an hour figuring out how change 1 letter in the beginning of a 2 page document on an iPhone 5. It's impossible.
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Just tried it on my S2 (JB),and you're right, that behaviour has been massively improved. I've not long moved from a Gingerbread device and it was in dire need of a fix. looks like ICS/JB has done the trick.
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As I was typing that I thought it may have only come into play with ICS. I forget how much of a jump there was from GB to now, having had "nearly" Jelly Bean for a while and then proper Jelly Bean on both my phone and tablet. It's bizarre to think there are phones still being sold with pre-Gingerbread versions on them.
Let's face it, for 99% of users they don't give a toss about the platform. They just want to know what apps are available. Most people (I believe) want a bigger screen, but not too big. Comfortably big, but thin. That's the way of things at the moment. I remember getting my S2 and thinking it was big, but now it looks like a regular phone compared to some of the phones out there. I really don't see why Apple don't make 3 or 4 different models of each iPhone. They could just make them different sizes (same resolution, to save the OS changes). They may have a big brand, but they could have a much bigger one if they just took their fingers out of their ears and started to listen to the rest of the market.
russeini said:
Tell ur brother he can take his narrow iphone 4 nd ...... it smwhere he cant fit large sizes unlike his ridiculously big mouth!
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Raymond199483 said:
Tell your brother that apple sucks compared to android
Nuff said
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Now...now...settle down.
I believe it's a circular dilemma for phone\device makers.
Phones approaching tablet size then tablets reclining into phone size.
Wireless mobile of course started off huge moved to tiny (early Ericsson cellphones) now sizes are yet to stabilize.
Boils down to what fits flat against your hip.
You're bros high man.
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In my opinion the nexus 4 and the HTC one have prefect screen sizes- 4.7 inches. Not too big and not too small. Note 2 and the Xperia z are way too big for my liking
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4.3-4.7 is the perfect screen size. Even the recently launched SG Grand is 5". Bummer. S3 Mini would have been a better release, and I'm quite sure Samsung won't release it here because they can affect each others sales.
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Most people (I believe) want ... Comfortably big, but thin.
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Not the ladies I've been with they want comfortably big and thick, if you know what I mean
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Not the ladies I've been with they want comfortably big and thick, if you know what I mean
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Been looking at surface rt for fun. They are peaking my curiosity. Kinda bored with android, I had my nexus 7 for 7 months now and its great. Why would I not want to buy a surface rt? They sure are dropping in price fast on craigslist, even the dell xps 10 is now 249-299 brand new with free keyboard covers....... Am I crazy to want a rt?
Should not need to be talked out of anything. If you have the relevent info for both, than get what makes you happy. It is you that has to deal with it, not anyone else.
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Then get a Surface. You don't need our permission.
If you are bored with Android, then you are not going to be happy with Windows.
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If you are bored with Android, then you are not going to be happy with Windows.
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As far as I'm concerned, "Friends don't let friends buy Windows tablets". At least not now.
I had an RT tablet provided by my office for about a month. They bought one for everyone here because of the integrated Office and the keyboard cover, and they figured it would make everyone's lives easier.
It didn't turn out that way.
I'm not going to crap all over Windows 8/RT, because there are a lot of really good things about it and the build quality of the tablet is mostly nice.
But the three biggest problems:
1. The build quality of the soft cover is poor. In less than a month several of us had the soft cover split along the seams. It typed well, but you still had to be careful, because if you didn't hit the key properly sometimes it wouldn't take. On the whole a lot more work than a real keyboard.
2. Office is there, but it's a lot more awkward to use than I thought it would be. Sure, there shortcuts, but the need to pick your finger up to touch the screen all them time really slows you down. Something I'd eventually get used to, I'm sure, but it wasn't easy.
3. There really AREN'T any apps for Windows RT. Sure there are some, and there are apps that are supposed to do many other things, they just aren't the options I would have picked if there was choice. But the things I love tablets for are the apps and they just aren't there.
I also was really disappointed with how much real memory was left after the OS was taken into account. I would have had to manage my media constantly to make it work for me. Again, possible, but not worth it.
After a month our IT group took them back from everyone and said they were looking for another solution.
So, if you're bored with Android, you maybe should try a Windows Tablet, they aren't boring and they will keep you busy, just maybe not for the right reasons.
^thanks man. Solid points. I think I will wait for the new nexus 7. Glad you have a good response unlike the other posters here. I was concerned about the availability of apps for rt. And I'm thinking developers won't hop on board since it seems to be a hard sell and small user base.
Friend has an RT, I have a nexus 7.
Biggest thing is just the feel. I can pull out my nexus 7 and I have my app drawer full of games, customisable homescreen, many apps and things to play with. It's a fun tablet.
When I play with my friend's RT though, after exploring the start menu and desktop, there isn't really much. Games are lacking (except for the big names like jetpack joyride and other popular games), and there's nothing "fun" to do. The desktop is kind of empty, as it can't run windows apps, so pretty much the only thing that populates the desktop is the internet explorer and my computer icon, and assorted computer folders.
However, the RT does win the nexus 7 in many points. Productivity wise, it's brilliant. Microsoft office works really well, and split screen multitasking is cool. If you get the type cover, it becomes a mini laptop that can run all your office apps. The nexus 7 can never catch up unless a better office app shows up on the market.
So now it depends on whether you prefer fun, or productivity.
Sell it and get the Surface then.
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I just got my N7 last week. Still have no case since there's many choices regarding online but less in stores.
There's a slimline moku and another case I'm torn between.
I also got a Bluetooth Logitech keyboard for typing but not really loving it just yet.
Any who anyone find a keyboard / case solution they are happy with?
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Been looking at surface rt for fun. They are peaking my curiosity. Kinda bored with android, I had my nexus 7 for 7 months now and its great. Why would I not want to buy a surface rt? They sure are dropping in price fast on craigslist, even the dell xps 10 is now 249-299 brand new with free keyboard covers....... Am I crazy to want a rt?
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Are you kidding? I've had the opportunity to try a Surface RT, and was happy to give it back to the lender... if you're looking for a windows experience, forget it. It doesn't run any standard Windows programs... the apps it does have are a limited number. The interface is confusing and counterintuitive, and for God's sake, the price is well above what something of its caliberr should run.
I have two cases... and I like both for different reasons.
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I just got my N7 last week. Still have no case since there's many choices regarding online but less in stores.
There's a slimline moku and another case I'm torn between.
I also got a Bluetooth Logitech keyboard for typing but not really loving it just yet.
Any who anyone find a keyboard / case solution they are happy with?
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My main case is a leather portfolio style, with the magnets on the cover for auto on and off. It's the standard go to and there are lots around like it. http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=4882380
But my secondary case, which I use for working and productivity was a real find. I bought it off of a recommendation from talkandroid
http://www.talkandroid.com/147462-n...ooks-great-lasts-long-and-costs-little-video/
it was cheap, so I bought it and it works way better than I ever expected in a situation where I need a keyboard. When it's closed it looks great too. You can't really tell from the pictures but the keyboard fits on top of the Nexus 7 to create a kind of hard clamshell for the top of the unit. It's made in a silver plastic with dots that matches perfectly with the tablet.
Unfortunately I have to choose between the cases, I can't use both at once.
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My main case is a leather portfolio style, with the magnets on the cover for auto on and off. It's the standard go to and there are lots around like it. http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=4882380
But my secondary case, which I use for working and productivity was a real find. I bought it off of a recommendation from talkandroid
http://www.talkandroid.com/147462-n...ooks-great-lasts-long-and-costs-little-video/
it was cheap, so I bought it and it works way better than I ever expected in a situation where I need a keyboard. When it's closed it looks great too. You can't really tell from the pictures but the keyboard fits on top of the Nexus 7 to create a kind of hard clamshell for the top of the unit. It's made in a silver plastic with dots that matches perfectly with the tablet.
Unfortunately I have to choose between the cases, I can't use both at once.
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I also have on of those keyboard covers. They are such great value for money. And the rechargeable battery for keyboard lasts me literally months off a single charge!
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I would get a Surface Pro... if it wasn't so expensive.
If you're bored with android....with all you can do to them.....good luck with anything else.
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Go get a surface. Someone had to buy one eventually..
Don't expect much thou... There are no apps, it's a battery hog, chock full of manufacturing problems, it won't run windows apps (despite the branding).
surface sucks.
done:victory:
I've heard bad things about surface too, like build quality and that the touch screen isn't so good. About apps, you can pay a visit to windows market place yourself to see.
I'd suggest another option, one of those hybrid tablet/laptops running x86 windows 8.
At the very least, you can run bluestacks or virtual android on it, and have a fully functional PC which transforms into android if you need it.
Of course it's a bit more expensive, but it's not like they are giving surfaces away for free.
I've been getting bored with android too, but that's the phone, I'm keeping my N7 forever
I might get a Lumia instead of my Xperia though.
I really want(ed) a Windows 8 tablet, too.
My problem is that there doesn't seem to be many good x86 ones. There's some meh-priced RT tablets but Windows RT is immensely more limited.
I've completely held off from getting a Windows x86 tablet because every damned one I try out in Future Shop and Best Buy with the Atom are slow, sluggish, freeze often and just seem laggy as hell.
I'm avoiding them all for now, and eyeballing Acer's upcoming 8 inch x86 Windows tablet which may be cheaper and has a small form factor like my N7.
I'm personally waiting a year or two for them to smooth things out. The hardware is too overpriced for what you get and having legacy x86 applications isn't that great when they're not meant for touch. Windows RT is also a joke unless they let devs compile for the desktop. They're totally cool though but not good enough for me.
Hopefully Android x86 will also mature by then so I don't have to give up the ecosystem.