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[Q] Even lighter rom for X8?

Hey guys i just wanna know if a custom rom for our X8 can go lighter than 80Mbs..
Example.. Froyobread is around 91Mbs.. GingerDX also.. but X10i roms can go til 72Mbs.. i just wanna know if its possible with our X8

I think it's possible but no one has built one yet..

I had 111mb free ram with stable 2.2 rom by lizypen
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I am just curious.. why there are so many asking for ROMS with more free RAM? Why do you want to have always lots of free RAM?
You should be worried about how to better use your RAM than be worried about not using it.
It is really strange but I never saw something like this when people are always askin for more free RAM just to never use it.

Nothing beats Stock Rom .. however one can use task killers app to free up some ram though..

We need free ram for smoothness, anyway,i can.t. ask for more,the newer version of rom,the less ram we will have.
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dotsen9 said:
We need free ram for smoothness, anyway,i can.t. ask for more,the newer version of rom,the less ram we will have.
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That is not necessary true. Less free RAM not always implies slugginesh. android is based on Linux, and Linux have a RAM administration model wich tries to always use the free RAM. Per example if you load all your aplications ans system and you have 100MB RAM free then android will try to use that memory for fetching app data, increase storage cache, etc. All this to do a smart usage of the available resources... think a little, why do you want to have extra RAM just to leave it unused?
If an application needs more RAM then android will free the necessary ammount of RAM, unloading fetch and cache data and preloaded apps.

Well it's true,but why devs has created supercharger script or let's take the juwe's script.This got to be a reason for that.
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er guys.. i'm asking about the size of the ROM itself.. there's nothing about RAM here...

Well, it's easy to make a smaller ROM. Most ROMs nowadays include several extra apps (Google Apps, Keyboard, Calculator, etc...) for many user.
Just delete all Google Apps (Maps, street view, ...) and other unused apps, you will have a lighter one.

i've deleted many unused apps from the rom.. i managed to lower it to 85mbs.. x8 doesn't have much in terms of internal mem.. but i gues thats what app2sd is for.. is it recommended to store my apps in sd card instead?

Yes,i do that too.
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I got 67mb with the miniCM7 after delete a load of stuff ill never use
super.sense on x8

Point in using task killer?

Question given, i still use Advanced task killer, but I see not much else people do.
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There is NO point using a task killer on Android, as it will only load the needed/wanted stuff back into memory and thus using even more battery than NOT killing the task.

thanks for the heads up, good to know.

what about ram manager apps (like RAM Manager Pro)? I have f**ked my phone a few times with ram tweaking so I'm skeptic with these and don't really wanna test until I'm clearly sure.

I used to use ram tweaker programs but now just use spica123's hp mod or v8 superscript. Just searck xda for them.
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Using v6 its pretty cool.
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Generally it is discouraged to use any kind of task killler on gingerbread because it messes with the built-in memory manager. If by any chance you are using froyo or earlier version of android, then it is ok.
As for the v6 supercharger, I'm using it too.

oops I meant V6, Just wanted more power

Just as stevvie said, you will kill the apps for a few seconds, but they will just reload again. It kills your battery.
Also, I've noticed that sometimes apps that weren't even running before the killing launch after the killing (i.e. you kill 10 apps, 12 apps launch a couple of seconds later).
Most importantly, your widgets can get messed up, unless you exclude the widget app in ATM.

How to have more free ram ??

Which kernel should i choose ??
i use DjangoManouche 1.5 now
i have a total of 330mb ram only
any good idea i can do

I believe you have 330 mb because the rest up to 512 mb is reserved for system apps. So you can use root explorer and go to /system/app and remove some system apps you don't use and reboot the phone. Just be careful not to touch stuff that is required for the phone to boot. And no, I don't know exactly which these apps are. But here is a tip: I always remove gallery, news and weather, all google apps, music player, stock email, navigation software if there is any, live wallpappers, file explorer (not before getting another though) and everything that's about visualization in general. These things are safe to remove.
And btw the amount of free ram is pretty much irrelevant to the phone's work because the kernel tries to utilize as much ram as possible and then it gives it away to ram requiring apps for the moment. I am just trying to say that you need not worry about free ram if the phone is working correctly. And if it's not it is most likely not because of used ram but some app is not behaving as it should and is using the CPU too much.

You should consider using a kernel that has OTF settings or a RAMhack. I recommend Etana but for some reason I love Temasek's Kernel. They both have the RAMhack option. It basically takes some of the RAM that is reserved for your GPU and makes it available for your device so you'll have more RAM for running applications etc. You shouldn't set the RAMhack too high though, 32mb/48mb should be fine. Additionally you could freeze some system apps that you don't need and use an autostart-manager in association with a task killer to kill applications and not allow them to restart themselves.
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xExabyte said:
You should consider using a kernel that has OTF settings or a RAMhack. I recommend Etana but for some reason I love Temasek's Kernel. They both have the RAMhack option. It basically takes some of the RAM that is reserved for your GPU and makes it available for your device so you'll have more RAM for running applications etc. You shouldn't set the RAMhack too high though, 32mb/48mb should be fine. Additionally you could freeze some system apps that you don't need and use an autostart-manager in association with a task killer to kill applications and not allow them to restart themselves.
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thank,
but Temasek and Etana's kernel can use in 20s?

complete123 said:
thank,
but Temasek and Etana's kernel can use in 20s?
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No.
And I heard that ramhack cannot be used with stock rom.
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googgiggs said:
No.
And I heard that ramhack cannot be used with stock rom.
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if some1 comes up with ram hack for stock based kernels ill be back to stock right away...

Gueste OC 1.8.1 stock kernel is awesome. Activate z ram in it and u will have really fast phone .
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heavencanwait said:
I believe you have 330 mb because the rest up to 512 mb is reserved for system apps. So you can use root explorer and go to /system/app and remove some system apps you don't use and reboot the phone. Just be careful not to touch stuff that is required for the phone to boot. And no, I don't know exactly which these apps are. But here is a tip: I always remove gallery, news and weather, all google apps, music player, stock email, navigation software if there is any, live wallpappers, file explorer (not before getting another though) and everything that's about visualization in general. These things are safe to remove.
And btw the amount of free ram is pretty much irrelevant to the phone's work because the kernel tries to utilize as much ram as possible and then it gives it away to ram requiring apps for the moment. I am just trying to say that you need not worry about free ram if the phone is working correctly. And if it's not it is most likely not because of used ram but some app is not behaving as it should and is using the CPU too much.
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What did I just read?
Don't do what was posted, you'll most likely break everything.
System apps uses system storage not ram. Deleting those apps will not give you more ram. But more system storage maybe.
Ram is used to save the current state of opened applications. Though the reason you only have 330mb left, is cause the gpu uses it as shared memory.
A ram hack is an option, as it reduces the amount of ram that goes to the gpu. But the use of a ram hack over 48mbs will break lots of things, such as recorder, camera and instability in games.
In all honesty, there is no use for a ram hack 330mb of ram is enough.
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If you use DjangoManouche you have ram profiles, another option are to use swap, the benefits, i'm not sure there are
Like a previous post said.....android are coded to use all ram except the amount needed for system to run smooth, apps you open will then be stored in ram which are the fastest "sd card lol". Next time you open its from ram. If you use many apps its useful with much ram. After reboot you start all over again. If there's a memory leak you can get issues like lagging Best solution are to choose a profile with much ram for apps and not much more than nessesary for system
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Use guestekrnl 1.8.1 and enable ZRam, works a charm. See my recent post in the flix123 v20s thread as well.

What are you planning to do with the free ram?

Sell it on Ebay! :good:

tonyp said:
Sell it on Ebay! :good:
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I was going to buy a new phone with it ):
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KoolSavas95 said:
I only have 70Mb free Ram. Using stock. Any suggestions?
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Get rid of stock, lol.
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Dear god, when will people learn that free RAM is wasted RAM?

Hard to get rid of Windows habbit lol
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To have more free RAM means it has to take some from the normally non accessible system dedicated RAM. This way your device has less RAM for things like graphics which can worsen video playback and record performance.
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The opinion free ram is wasted ram is wrong. you should realize it from daily use. its because when you have for example 70MB free and you open browser with some tabs, some game, etc. it closes other apps you dont want or it closes some of the tabs in browser and you have to load them every time you switch them. you need enough free ram to open what you want without system automatic closing other and under 100MB really isnt enough

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Task manager
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Hell no!
tomsi91 said:
The opinion free ram is wasted ram is wrong. you should realize it from daily use. its because when you have for example 70MB free and you open browser with some tabs, some game, etc. it closes other apps you dont want or it closes some of the tabs in browser and you have to load them every time you switch them. you need enough free ram to open what you want without system automatic closing other and under 100MB really isnt enough
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Hell no!
This doesn't make sense. The system will get you the ram you need whenever you need it.
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App killer

Do you use some kind of apps to kill running applications? Or you think that you don't need that and you have enough battery for a day?
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I don't bother, I've had no problems with battery life. I usually go 1.5d on a charge.

On healthy Android you should not use any Task Killer because is not needed and it's not a good solution but sometime I used Task Killer because my cooked Android didn't do well his job so I tried to help.

its usually a bad thing to use a task killer because android will have to restart alot of those services it kills which burns more battery than it saves.

drksilenc said:
its usually a bad thing to use a task killer because android will have to restart alot of those services it kills which burns more battery than it saves.
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^ That ^

Moze666 said:
Do you use some kind of apps to kill running applications? Or you think that you don't need that and you have enough battery for a day?
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Each app has a set criteria and if you use an app killer then you are wasting your time because the app will simply restart when the app's criteria is met again.
Your best bet is to use apps like autostarts or greenify or both, as they will alter the set criteria and will actually save battery.
Been using autostarts for years, you'd be surprised to see what starts up and when.
Avoid active task killers like the plague they're all crap.

I was using autostarts on my X10, but I was rooted then and now I'm not rooted, so I will look up greenify
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I have been using Qualcomm Snapdragon BatteryGuru since I last flashed 290. It's a bit vague about what it does (other than give you charge reminders and control some background data for some apps), but I can easily stretch a charge into 2d if I want to. Obviously, heavy use still tops out around 18h, but it does seem to make some improvements. Wish I knew more about what it was doing, though.

xasbo said:
I have been using Qualcomm Snapdragon BatteryGuru since I last flashed 290. It's a bit vague about what it does (other than give you charge reminders and control some background data for some apps), but I can easily stretch a charge into 2d if I want to. Obviously, heavy use still tops out around 18h, but it does seem to make some improvements. Wish I knew more about what it was doing, though.
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Exact the same experiece here! :good:

[NuLL Rom] Ram Efficiency

Has anyone successfully froze any packages or made any changes to free up more Ram on their GEAR? typically i sit around the 360MB mark with only a small amount of Free Ram. Using Launcher 8 right now, which doesn't appear to be a memory hog.
Any suggestions?

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Has anyone successfully froze any packages or made any changes to free up more Ram on their GEAR? typically i sit around the 360MB mark with only a small amount of Free Ram. Using Launcher 8 right now, which doesn't appear to be a memory hog.
Any suggestions?
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I usually have between 80 and 120mb free with a lot of apps/tweaks installed, which is excellent considering its a watch. Bare in mind it only has 470mb of usable ram. Using 380mb seems perfectly acceptable to me :thumbup:
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John_wba said:
I usually have between 80 and 120mb free with a lot of apps/tweaks installed, which is excellent considering its a watch. Bare in mind it only has 470mb of usable ram. Using 380mb seems perfectly acceptable to me :thumbup:
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Yeah but it's samsung... there is usually some bloat ware that can be frozen or something. What apps/tweaks have you done for memory, just curious? i have about 60-80 after running a launcher which i suspect to be pretty good considering the above ram as you have stated.
thanks for any input my friend

BigBison420 said:
Yeah but it's samsung... there is usually some bloat ware that can be frozen or something. What apps/tweaks have you done for memory, just curious? i have about 60-80 after running a launcher which i suspect to be pretty good considering the above ram as you have stated.
thanks for any input my friend
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Anything can be deleted mate, trial and error till you find your perfect set up, use titanium backup to back things up and delete them, then you can always restore if something went wrong. Personally I have all stock bloat intact as most of it adds use to the watch (weather, notifications etc) as for memory tweaks I use @zeppelinrox supercharger script, which really does help the watch run smooth and fast (it makes a noticeable improvement in terms of speed and memory issues)
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