Maybe this was discussed in another thread but I couldn't find it.
I know Google is said to be selling these at cost (at least the 8GB one), but does it really cost $50 to go from 8GB to 16GB?
1) They're not selling at cost (estimated profits are $15-$47 for the 8GB version)
2) It's very unlikely that the additional 8GB costs $50. This is something they call, among devices with no SD card option, "screwing you over".
I read that it cost Google $8-12 more for the 16gb
at $250, it's still a great deal for the hardware.
You know the difference in PRICE for iPad 16n 32GB? Ever complained !!!
Stop trolling..
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You know the difference in PRICE for iPad 16n 32GB? Ever complained !!!
Stop trolling..
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$100 (aka the same $6.25/extra GB that we're facing now).
I hope you're not seriously suggesting that we look to Apple pricing standards as something to be proud of.
Thanks to thebobp, raafaell and adiliyo for your thoughts.
xperiax10.awesome & Thador: My question was an honest one and I was hoping for serious responses.
I came from the Evo 3D forum expecting better ...but the retards will always be around. Nobody is trolling its just a simple question, if you can't answer it and want to dish out another answer, do it elsewhere
Different sources are claiming that there is either a very small profit or small loss on the 8GB, it'll depend from region i suspect and what the pricings have taken into account. If you're talking simply in terms of BOM, the 8GB costs $184 to make and their selling it for $199....profit you'd think, however factor in the $25 app credit along with other marketing and advertising costs and it does add up. VAT in the UK makes a difference too along with some sort of import duty to all the countries it will be sold in. At the end of the day it's all mixed in the books so we can never know the full truth.
Here's your link
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27820-nexus-7-costs-$184-to-build
It's stilla great deal, But I think it's kind of cheap not to include a SD card slot.
Here's a newer teardown cost appraisal: http://allthingsd.com/20120711/googles-nexus-7-costs-152-to-make-ihs-isuppli-teardown-finds/
Basically the 8GB version is the loss leader to get people interested and then they buy the 16GB version just in case. No different than any other retail operation.
Marketing is the study of taking the most money from the most people in the least amount of time.
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$100 (aka the same $6.25/extra GB that we're facing now).
I hope you're not seriously suggesting that we look to Apple pricing standards as something to be proud of.
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You're absolutely right. How DARE Google try to make any sort of profit at all, while still giving us by far the best 7" tablet we've seen yet?!
Plus, as has been reported, any actual hardware profit goes to ASUS not Google
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1) They're not selling at cost (estimated profits are $15-$47 for the 8GB version)
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It cost Google like $185 to make the 8gb model. With your logic that's 15 dollars profit per device (before shipping)... What about the price of packaging each device? What about the price of distribution to third party retailers? What about the price of marketing and advertisement? And that free $25 Play Store credit, and other freebies... it might be free to us but money for those items still comes from somewhere. They're selling these for a loss...
They are in business. Since when was it *NOT* okay to make a profit when you manufacture a product?
Whatever it costs for them to make, market, and ship internally, both products are well within a fair market value.
One other thing:
If the 16GB model were $208 ($8 being the presumed cost of the additional RAM), would anyone buy the 8GB model?
Not likely. And all the 8GB models produced would sit around in a warehouse collecting dust.
When I learned of the cost for the Nexus 7, I thought hell yeah, $200 for a nice tablet. I'm in. Then when I learned it was 8 gb with no sd card, I thought, "crap, I don't want to run out of room after I put a couple big games on it. Feel cramped and out-grown while the rest of the specs are still good." I have used an old, smaller sd card on a phone before and know the frustrations of running on limited space. Always having to scour the folders to delete anything extra. I didn't want that limitation, so I went with the 16gb even though a part of me was screaming, "Are you crazy! You are paying 25% more for the exact same thing with a little bit more space!"
Even now that I know we will be able to use a usb flash drive for expandable storage, I am happy I went with the 16gb just because I won't want a dongle on it all the time. In comparison to the 8gb version, the 16gb version is no where near as good of a price. That being said, it is still a good deal, if you compare it to everything else on the market except the 8gb nexus7. I think the extra $50 is going to be a big difference to me in not having to worry as much about space and I am glad I ponied up the extra.
Price seems ok, no complains..
All,
FYI, the build COST of iPads is just 320 dollars!!!
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First, for a genuine answer. No, it does not cost Asus $50 to add an extra 8 GB of flash storage.
$250 for the Nexus 7 is still a bargain either way.
For a more personal subjective answer. Asus/Google can charge what they want. You vote with your wallet, it's that simple.
So to all those people saying people are getting screwed over buying the 16 GB version.
Is Google forcing you to buy the 16 GB at gun point? No.
Will you die of hunger if you don't buy the 16 GB version? No.
Does the 8 GB version have a time bomb that explodes, punishing you for not buying the 16 GB version? No.
Will god kill a kitten for every person that pays for the 16 GB version? No.
Like I said above. You are given a choice. You vote with your wallet. It really is that simple.
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They are in business. Since when was it *NOT* okay to make a profit when you manufacture a product?
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I'm not sure why you quoted me. I made no comments suggesting it's not okay to make a profit!
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I agree with you. I think the tablets are a very good value. I was just asking a simple and honest question.
I do feel that google or Asus did kind of gouge my eyes out with the price jump by bit including the the microsd. Even with everyone saying that they have to make a profit, which I agree, I still think that it was unnecessary for the price of the 16gb model and still without a microSD slot.
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Hi folks, this may be OT a bit, so Moderators please move this thread if needed.
I found this video of a $35 computer which turns out to have the Android OS. India is marketing this as a new mass-market solution to bring computer access to the less fortunate.
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/tech/2010/07/23/pkg.35.dollar.computer.cnnibn
Has anyone else seen or hear of this device? What's it called? It looks like a 6-7-inch tablet to me.. and running on Android OS!
Too cheap , i afraid it can not guarantee the quality, and speed.
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Too cheap , i afraid it can not guarantee the quality, and speed.
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i guess it's because the device was meant as a mass market device for education purposes...and to be released by the government.
....don't really care about any guarantees....for $35, I'll take 2
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....don't really care about any guarantees....for $35, I'll take 2
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Same here
I'm not sure though that it will be available outside of India and if it will i don't think it will cost 35$
If you watched the video, they said the device costed 1500 (whatever currency they use) to make, but they are selling it for 500 (or $35), so you can best bet that the parts cost more than $35. Probably somewhere around $100 or so, which would put the cost of making it somewhere around that of say, an HTC Hero (seeing as the Nexus One costed around $175 in parts). Going off on a limb here, but it probably has a 528-600MHz processor and 256mb of RAM.
Still though, its good to see a government apt on helping its people learn--especially if it does so with an Android powered device. I'm glad they took that initiative.
Just wondered how many went with the 8gb and how many went with the 16gb
I went with the 8gb because:
1) That $199 price is so damn sexy
2) I don't clutter up my electronics w/ excess rarely used music & movies
3) Dropbox / Google Drive / Skydrive / Box.net cloud storage.
I'm getting more and more into using the cloud. Didn't seem worth it to spend an extra $50.
16GB. 8GB and i'ts like i have my little ipod touch again.
8 gigs. Nothing to put on there... a few pdfs of school books and everything else is on cloud. I couldn't justify putting anything else on. lol
Don't forget that 8/16 GB is an overall flash storage capacity.
Judging by my Nook devices there will be about 5/13 GB available for user.
8gb
I went with the 8gb since I am getting it as kidtainment system for my toddlers apps, I figure even with the all those apps I will have plenty of room for some "lower quality" videos for him as well. Other uses will include the occasional eBook or magazine as well as for use as an xbmc remote and for the occasional browsing etc. Point being actual media storage is not a concern, and though a microSD slot would have been nice the trend seems to be away from it.
Just preordered 16gb (£209 including delivery).. 16gb not ideal but should be enough.. I would use it for movies and games when away on business and all sorts at home.. excited as hell now..
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Just preordered 16gb (£209 including delivery).. 16gb not ideal but should be enough.. I would use it for movies and games when away on business and all sorts at home.. excited as hell now..
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£209 is about 325$ May I ask why it's so pricey?
When its available in the Netherlands i will probally go with the 8GB.
Im not going to watch movies on it (got a big ass tv for that ) or put music on it (got me phone for that) .
Gonna use it for reading Ebooks nad magazines and general browser on the go.
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£209 is about 325$ May I ask why it's so pricey?
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We pay a lot in tax and just generally get price gorged in the UK compared to the US.
Having said that, £159 to £199 is actually a pretty good price for a device with this spec in the UK . Got my order in already...
I'm so happy, I have just ordered the 16gb one today with my spare money from my 18th birthday (today ). Also, today I have just gone out and bought the galaxy s3 international with most of my birthday money (and money I have saved up the last year) I can't believe how cheap it is, I know that I will need the 16gb version. Wow, I can't believe what a good day this has been, the galaxy s3 and the nexus 7 I just can't wait for the amazing development to start on this tab, seen as how it is a nexus
Spare money from your birthday? Lucky, I've not had this much with all birthdays combined!
I'd go for 16gb.
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We pay a lot in tax and just generally get price gorged in the UK compared to the US.
Having said that, £159 to £199 is actually a pretty good price for a device with this spec in the UK . Got my order in already...
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Well, as I saw in checkout, the tax is £34 so if you subtract and convert £ to $, you will get $255. And price for 16GB in USA is $249 without tax. So I would say the price is big surprise... At least I was nicely surprised....
I preordered the 8gb at 4:30 this morning but I am debating weather I should change the order and go for the 16gb, I looked at my phone and tablet, not including the music on my phone, I have less than 2gb of data on each, so it looks like 8gb would be plenty for me but as its is impossible to add storage after purchase Im finding it hard to make up my mind.
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I preordered the 8gb at 4:30 this morning but I am debating weather I should change the order and go for the 16gb, I looked at my phone and tablet, not including the music on my phone, I have less than 2gb of data on each, so it looks like 8gb would be plenty for me but as its is impossible to add storage after purchase Im finding it hard to make up my mind.
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I also ordered the 8gb version and still not sure if I should get the 16gb model. On my Sensation, if you don't count music, nandroid backups, etc. I'm using 3gb of storage on my SD card. I know it's only $50 but that could go toward something else (e.g., a new Kindle Touch with backlighting).
One way I decide when spending money is to put it this way: I'll give you either a Nexus 7 8gb and $50 or a Nexus 7 16gb. Which would you take?
16 for sure. With all the games that I'm going to have on it I will need all the space I can get.
I preordered a 16GB but I'm waiting on the phone right now to change it to the 8GB. I don't see myself putting any music on this thing and will most likely use it for web browsing and streaming videos. I'll save the money to buy the next Nexus phone instead since I'm in the market for a phone this year. I just hope they give us more than 16GB with the next GSM Nexus phone.
8 for me. I mostly use the cloud even when I had huge sd cards I would always stream unless absolutely necessary.
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I pre-ordered the 16GB tablet. I didn't want to get to a point where I start running out of room and think, ****, I should have gone with 16...
copped the 16
Source: http://www.slashgear.com/googles-nexus-7-stops-orders-due-to-demand-22239712/
Google has decided to stop taking orders from its online store, assumedly because it has such a huge backlog it doesn’t even know when it will be able to fulfill new customer purchases. The 16 GB $249 tablet had been showing up as being delayed for one to two weeks. As of now, though, it’s impossible to place an order. The 8 GB model, at $199, is still available for orders.
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Just FYI
Welcome to about 4 days ago, the 16gb stopped being available for order around 4 wednesday of last wk.
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The 16GB been out of stock since last week..
Well... good that the are stopping orders for now, they need to focus on getting the orders they already have shipped out. But bad that the 16GB may be delayed 1-2 weeks... I think that $300 went missing from my credit card as I haven't spent that much on it since I last made a payment but I won't know until layer monday when my bank updates the transactions online... hoping to see a charge for my 16GB Nexus 7 on there.
I'm not particularly mad at Google... just mildly annoyed. and I hope this was a good learning experience for them.
I think the 8gb model is good enough anyway. The transformers movie is streamed anyway by default. Unless you plan on loading tons f apps it should be fine for most.
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All I'm gonna say is someone did a terrible job at forecasting for the 16gb.
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All I'm gonna say is someone did a terrible job at forecasting for the 16gb.
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What crystal ball are you looking at?
Markets are a fickle thing... hard to really know what is going to be a big hit and what wont be. It would appear, that the 16gb is outselling the 8gb, but who really knows real numbers are. Maybe they made a ton more of the 8gb units thinking they would sell better.
Was the Kindle Fire more popular because it was under $200 or because it was released first before the Nook tablet which was $249 or is it because it was Amazon with decent content etc...
Getting stuck with a ton of product that didn't catch on can be expensive. and playing catchup a hot product is a good position for a company to be in if they can ramp up fast enough. Sometimes constraints of available product also promote higher demand under the false sense that they are more popular than they really are. Who knows....
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All I'm gonna say is someone did a terrible job at forecasting for the 16gb.
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Or someone did a great job choking off the supply of 16GB units to force impatient buyers to the 8GB, making them more likely to buy into Google's cloud services.
"Supply crises" are much more often planned than not. Not saying they won't get the 16GB back on the market quickly, because they will. But how many buyers in the meantime will settle for 8GB and a Google Drive subscription?
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Or someone did a great job choking off the supply of 16GB units to force impatient buyers to the 8GB, making them more likely to buy into Google's cloud services.
"Supply crises" are much more often planned than not. Not saying they won't get the 16GB back on the market quickly, because they will. But how many buyers in the meantime will settle for 8GB and a Google Drive subscription?
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That depends....Are people going to want to buy these anyways after reading all these articles mentioning all these defects. No one knows for sure if it's just 8gb or 16gb or both. Sure they got a lot of money up front but it doesn't help when you constantly have to replace them and with that kind of launch are people really going to take that risk right now. If not and they want to wait a couple months some other tablet could come out around the same price range or just a better tablet in general. You're talking lost profits at that point. Forecasting does come into it at some point but this launch didn't help at all
hmm. So they won't ship it, or refund it. Great
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Trying to find any news on the 8 gig Nexus 7 pricing. Staples still has it listed as 199. Anyone know or have confirmation if the price has dropped?
I believe that it's been discontinued, but we should be able to find remaining stock -- heavily marked down -- in stores and online. The 8gb version does not appear on Play.Google.com or on Walmart.com. I would think that the 8gb versions, while they last, should be marked about $150.00, but...
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I believe that it's been discontinued, but we should be able to find remaining stock -- heavily marked down -- in stores and online. The 8gb version does not appear on Play.Google.com or on Walmart.com. I would think that the 8gb versions, while they last, should be marked about $150.00, but...
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I was looking for the same thing hopping to get a bargain 8G version
If anyone knows any retails in the UK please post some links
Thanks
I don't think the 8GB version was sold in retail stores.
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I don't think the 8GB version was sold in retail stores.
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It is/was. Staples near me still has some in stock but they are 199.99
I sold my 8GB yesterday for $175. Barely ahead of today's announcements. I paid $150 with magnetic case for it on Craig's List. Putting it aside for the Nexus 10. N7 was too small for my eyesight to read comfortably. So I guess my suggestion would be to also check out alternate sources as I did.
It originally wasn't supposed to be sold in stores because going the retail route on the 8gb would end up costing them money since the unit was sold so cheap. The 8gb started showing up when the 16gb models couldn't stay stocked, which was a last ditch effort from Google/Asus to keep the supply flowing.
So there ARE 8gb models in the wild and ARE discontinued. I would think that Staples and a select other few would have them discounted. Walmart only had 16gb when I went there last. Craigslist and other 2nd hand sites are likely to be experiencing a rush of 8gb and 16gb models because they are trading for the 32gb.
8GB should be 150$
I'm sad that the 8GB model has been discontinued.. I just bought it the first of this month back when none of this news wasn't around..
I don't wanna go through the process of selling this and getting the 16gb.
:'(
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Lookin to buy my wife an 8gig now as well... id check slickdeals periodically too, they are known for finding great prices on discontinued stock
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Every place I checked was sold out of the 8GB units over a month ago, and it was even difficult to track down unopened 16GB models. Everyone in the distribution chain knew about the product shuffling.
The ones you are likely to find now are customer returns, and there will be few that fall within the common 14 or 30 day return window.
Have the screen separation issues been completely resolved? I have a launch 8gb that I want to get replaced. I'm not trying to get a 16gb out of this and I'm hoping if I go through the process now, they won't give me hassle, accusing me of trying to upgrade.
just actually posted my Nex 7 8gb on Craigslist yesterday. we don't use it since we have the ipad.
listing at $150 but taking $125 if i get it. Hate losing $75 so quickly, but that's tech. look on craigslist.
I doubt they'll sell it cheaper for now. Probably keep it for 199 until supplies settle down and when they only have a few, then probably sell them off on clearance.
People are still idiots with this stuff. If they advertise it for 199 people will come in and buy the 8gb probably without looking. Kinda dishonest but companies always do this crap.
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I got an 8GB a while back. I don't really need much more storage than that. The music goes on the phone and I hardly keep big games on it.
As a staples employee I can tell you we have stopped selling the 8Gb model. A week before the price drop it went inactive for us.
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So i'm thinking about selling my nexus 6 on a facebook community buy/sell.
I usually give my devices to my family, but its not needed this time so i'm after some opinions on how much i should be asking for.
The phone is 3-4 months old, i lost the reciept recently but its around somewhere... 32GB, bought outright, so unlocked from any network, in perfect working condition. etc, there's just like maybe, 5 to 6 tiny little dints in the screen from keys in pocket :/. You literally cannot feel them, nor see them when the screen is on and takes certain angles to see them when screen is off (thats the only thing wrong with the phone, which i plan on telling on my post). I paid $876 AUD, do you think i could ask for $400-$500?
Opinions? If you were going to resell, what circumstances would you lower the price for & if you were i, how much would you ask for?
amazon is selling the n6 brand new at 399 for the 32gb version, so your $400-500 would be considered a joke, especially a device with a little bit of damage.
@rhystagram,
Your best bet is to go to Swappa.com and look at recent sold prices.
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@rhystagram,
Your best bet is to go to Swappa.com and look at recent sold prices.
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good though
please note its in AUD and i'm in Australia, most retail stores still sell at same price as my purchase, as does google store.
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So i'm thinking about selling my nexus 6 on a facebook community buy/sell.
I usually give my devices to my family, but its not needed this time so i'm after some opinions on how much i should be asking for.
The phone is 3-4 months old, i lost the reciept recently but its around somewhere... 32GB, bought outright, so unlocked from any network, in perfect working condition. etc, there's just like maybe, 5 to 6 tiny little dints in the screen from keys in pocket :/. You literally cannot feel them, nor see them when the screen is on and takes certain angles to see them when screen is off (thats the only thing wrong with the phone, which i plan on telling on my post). I paid $876 AUD, do you think i could ask for $400-$500?
Opinions? If you were going to resell, what circumstances would you lower the price for & if you were i, how much would you ask for?
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For safety's sake, have a look at this:
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please note its in AUD and i'm in Australia, most retail stores still sell at same price as my purchase, as does google store.
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But Amazon is still selling it for much cheaper brand new. Most prospective buyers will look on Amazon first to see what prices are for both new and used.
What local retailers sell them for brand new means nothing when it can easily be attained somewhere else for a cheaper price.
I normally give people hell on those Facebook groups for asking entirely too much for a phone or tablet. Especially if it is used with even the slightest damage.
For instance, a woman was trying to sell a Droid Maxx for almost $400 USD claiming it was new and never pulled from the box, but her pictures clearly showed otherwise because of the damage on the phone and the fact that it didn't have any of the factory protective film on it anymore. The device in mint condition used only goes for about $150.
Basically, it's better to be fair instead of thinking you can charge top dollar for it. Much less troubles in the long run.
Good luck.
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I'm sorry, but how is pointing out the proper process for preparing a Nexus 6 for resale completely missing the point? I'm trying to help you avoid future headaches. ???
If you're looking for resale prices, check completed listings on swappa or eBay.
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But Amazon is still selling it for much cheaper brand new. Most prospective buyers will look on Amazon first to see what prices are for both new and used.
What local retailers sell them for brand new means nothing when it can easily be attained somewhere else for a cheaper price.
I normally give people hell on those Facebook groups for asking entirely too much for a phone or tablet. Especially if it is used with even the slightest damage.
For instance, a woman was trying to sell a Droid Maxx for almost $400 USD claiming it was new and never pulled from the box, but her pictures clearly showed otherwise because of the damage on the phone and the fact that it didn't have any of the factory protective film on it anymore. The device in mint condition used only goes for about $150.
Basically, it's better to be fair instead of thinking you can charge top dollar for it. Much less troubles in the long run.
Good luck.
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I agree with checking eBay or local buy/sell/trade sites for prices to get a feel for how much it will cost.
Note this, however: Amazon Australia does not sell the Nexus 6 that I can find. It is true that there was a Prime Day deal today in the states for it (pretty sure it's over now), but Prime Day is only for the US site, not for the international versions.
Plus $500 AUD is $368 ish USD.
Mate. Put it on Gumtree. You could likely get around 400 to 450 bucks for it if it is indeed in the condition you say.