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Did anyone else think the Nexus was larger?

It might be just me, but I read that 7" form factor and kind of ignored it. In pictures and reviews, it looks pretty big (well, not iPad big, but bigger than I thought). But once I saw a picture of the nexus next to a galaxy nexus, I was kind of shocked. It's only a little more than 3" larger than the phone I think.
Also I went into a Best Buy and played with another 7" tablet. These things are tiny! I hope that the better resolution makes it seem a little larger.

its not the size that maters, its how you use it...

sadoway said:
its not the size that maters, its how you use it...
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Lol should have seen it coming! It is true in regards to the Nexus though..well played.

... im not going to say it, read ur last post LOL.
anyways, I already have a first gen ipad. and while browsing the web and reading on it are very comfertable on the eyes, the size just feels slightly bigger than it needs to be, going to give this 7inch a whirl, and if i dont like it, meh, it was 250, not a huge loss.

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... im not going to say it, read ur last post LOL.
anyways, I already have a first gen ipad. and while browsing the web and reading on it are very comfertable on the eyes, the size just feels slightly bigger than it needs to be, going to give this 7inch a whirl, and if i dont like it, meh, it was 250, not a huge loss.
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Haha damn it!!! Not even intentional.
But yeah I'm just worried about room. Not sure if I'll like it as this is my first tablet and I don't mind the size of an iPad too much. But it is large. That was intentional.

Nope. 7" is pretty much a STANDARD MEASURE.

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Nope. 7" is pretty much a STANDARD MEASURE.
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Well then there's the bezel and on screen buttons and..I dunno. Guess I just thought the actual screen real estate was 7".

altrikdout21 said:
Well then there's the bezel and on screen buttons and..I dunno. Guess I just thought the actual screen real estate was 7".
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The screen real estate is 7"

Although I'm familiar with Kindle Touch, which is almost exactly as big as Nexus only 2cm shorter. I still made a paper model of Nexus 7 and have been starring at it from time to time. I also glue a 6 inch photo on it to simulate how big the screen is. (It's a few mm smaller than a 6 inch photo). It's been fun. I like it more and more now.

The screen is about as large, as the Galaxy Note is (more specifically, 1cm wider, and about the same height depending on how you're counting).
I'm looking forward to reading pdfs, believe it or not. They're almost readable on the Nexus, and 1.5x the width should make all the difference while not being too cumbersome. At least that's the theory. TBH I might've preferred a 7.7 to be safe and amoled.

altrikdout21 said:
Well then there's the bezel and on screen buttons and..I dunno. Guess I just thought the actual screen real estate was 7".
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the actual screen real estate is 7".
This thread is makes me weep for the future...

kanzlerin said:
Although I'm familiar with Kindle Touch, which is almost exactly as big as Nexus only 2cm shorter. I still made a paper model of Nexus 7 and have been starring at it from time to time. I also glue a 6 inch photo on it to simulate how big the screen is. (It's a few mm smaller than a 6 inch photo). It's been fun. I like it more and more now.
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bahahahahahahahaha.
I needed that.
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thebobp said:
The screen is about as large, as the Galaxy Note is (more specifically, 1cm wider, and about the same height depending on how you're counting).
I'm looking forward to reading pdfs, believe it or not. They're almost readable on the Nexus, and 1.5x the width should make all the difference while not being too cumbersome. At least that's the theory. TBH I might've preferred a 7.7 to be safe and amoled.
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Well the Galaxy Note's screen size is 5.3 inches and the Nexus 7 is 7 inches.

I had no idea what screen size the nexus was going to be until I viewed the keynote online. and the 7" form factor is imo awesome! perfect size to hold one handed and perfect for thumb-typing too. Try thumb typing on an iPad and you look like a retard.

This thread reminds me of the 3inch/ 6inch theory from middle school. lol

Its just shrinkage it will look bigger when it warms up I swear
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In my opinion the reason it looks larger is cause everyone takes really close up photos of it, but because it has such a high res screen it looks normal. (i dunno if that even makes sense)
But anyway I think the 7" form factor is great and just to clarify the screen is 7" and not the bezel. It probably might look smaller in comparison to a phone with a 4.7-5" screen, but I don't have one of those just yet
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colonel187 said:
bahahahahahahahaha.
I needed that.
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I'm still not sure if he was joking or not...

MaxCarnage said:
I'm still not sure if he was joking or not...
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...I think he was serious lol
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truthkillszz said:
...I think he was serious lol
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This he is a she. And why not? I'm sadly very bored. If Nexus doesn't reach this shore soon, I'll be knitting a model just to look at it, with different photos glued to it every day. :fingers-crossed:

WARNING if planning to use NAVIGATION wearing polarized sunglasses

My plan was to add the 7 to my array of GPS devices, mostly to get traffic info. bought a windshield mount intended for landscape use, which is how I want to use it. Put it in the mount, fired up Maps and started to drive away and the screen was suddenly off... hit the button, but nothing... hit the button again and it came back on. Started to leave again and screen went off again (way sooner than it is set to).
Pulled over, took off my sunglasses and instantly it was back on.... hmmm. Apparently, something that is not mentioned in any review or specification that I saw... the friggin' screen is POLARIZED! As are all my sunglasses.
If you are planning to use in landscape mode in the sun, be prepared to not be able to wear polarized sunglasses.
I still am really liking my new 7, but not luvin' it as much as I planned on.

I think that's the case with polarized glasses and all LCD screens isn't it?
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Hwaiting said:
I think that's the case with polarized glasses and all LCD screens isn't it?
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I've been trying to remember if I have ever tried looking at any of my phones in landscape while wearing sunglasses. Will check tomorrow.
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Hwaiting said:
I think that's the case with polarized glasses and all LCD screens isn't it?
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Exactly. This is a notorious problem with any LCD screen. My Nook Color gets blacked out in portrait and my Nexus 7 gets blacked out in landscape. It's a problem that's common and not Google's or Asus's fault. You'll just have to deal with it. Most Navigation apps I found use portrait by default anyway.
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It's your sunglasses, not the nexus 7. Get some cheaper sunglasses .

Well, you may try portrait mode or just use a navi app with voice navigation.
It seems not only for Nexus 7's LCD, a lot of other LCDs are encountering the same problem with sunglasses.

This is the case with all LCD screens and polarized sunglasses. Had a pilot new to an aircraft with LCD screens complain that the screens were broken. When I looked everything was perfect. I looked at him to see if he was trying to be funny, then realized that he still had his sunglasses on. I asked if they were polarized then told him to take them off a second. Sure enough, problem solved.
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db1911 said:
This is the case with all LCD screens and polarized sunglasses. Had a pilot new to an aircraft with LCD screens complain that the screens were broken. When I looked everything was perfect. I looked at him to see if he was trying to be funny, then realized that he still had his sunglasses on. I asked if they were polarized then told him to take them off a second. Sure enough, problem solved.
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Yes I noticed that! No big deal for me though, thankfully. I know for a fact it didn't happen on my Transformer Prime or Wildfire S. In fact, I've never noticed it with any of my tablets or phones. Weird though how it's only landscape mode

Hwaiting said:
I think that's the case with polarized glasses and all LCD screens isn't it?
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Ips slcd/slcdII's .... Yep.

jaycustom said:
Weird though how it's only landscape mode
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No, not weird at all. Think about what a polarizing lens does - it's like a million microscopic parallel lines running one direction. When you have 2 lenses (screen and sunglasses), rotating one or the other so the lines are perpendicular to each other causes the image to black out. If the lines are all running in the same direction, there's no interference.

This really doesn't have anything to do with Navigation on the device
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jcffrcy said:
This really doesn't have anything to do with Navigation on the device
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It does if you are planning on using during the day and wear polarized sunglasses and want to use in landscape mode. I didn't want to try to put all that in title.
When I get my Proclip holder when they come out, I will be able to use in portrait. The generic cheapee holder I got to use in meantime is only usable in landscape.

drumtrucker said:
I've been trying to remember if I have ever tried looking at any of my phones in landscape while wearing sunglasses. Will check tomorrow.
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I tried with my Droid Bionic today and it does NOT go blank when turned, so it must NOT be polarized.

drumtrucker said:
I tried with my Droid Bionic today and it does NOT go blank when turned, so it must NOT be polarized.
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Droid Bionic uses a Pentile SAMOLED screen. More info on the difference here:
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/difference-between-lcd-and-led.htm
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I never buy polarized sunglasses. They are so annoying, especially if you rid motorcycles and use a full face helmet. Even in a car, the dash is plastic and in some cars you get a rainbow effect. If you buy decent sunglasses, you don't need them to be polarized. I use Sergenti drivers and they are the best for me.

buellwinkle said:
I never buy polarized sunglasses. They are so annoying, especially if you rid motorcycles and use a full face helmet. Even in a car, the dash is plastic and in some cars you get a rainbow effect. If you buy decent sunglasses, you don't need them to be polarized. I use Sergenti drivers and they are the best for me.
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This^
I only wear polarized sunglasses when protecting my eyes from water glare. Many cars have ploarized windows that look blotchy when wearing Polarized sunglasses. I never wear them when riding my motorcycle because they can block puddles of water and pot holes from being seen in the road. I can't see the radio display in the car when wearing them either.
Get another pair of glasses with good coatings.

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I never buy polarized sunglasses. They are so annoying, especially if you rid motorcycles and use a full face helmet. Even in a car, the dash is plastic and in some cars you get a rainbow effect. If you buy decent sunglasses, you don't need them to be polarized. I use Sergenti drivers and they are the best for me.
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Hadn't thought to try my Serengeti's, THANKS. they are NOT polarized and will go back to being my primary pair.
Some interesting comments and info generated in here.

I saw this brought up in this forum previously and in other forums, with polarized glasses being an issue. I wear a pair of polarized glasses while driving almost every day. I also use the nexus 7 almost exclusively in my car, and its always locked in landscape mode. I haven't had any issues with being able to use it or seeing the screen in any app. Everything seems to display fine for me?

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I saw this brought up in this forum previously and in other forums, with polarized glasses being an issue. I wear a pair of polarized glasses while driving almost every day. I also use the nexus 7 almost exclusively in my car, and its always locked in landscape mode. I haven't had any issues with being able to use it or seeing the screen in any app. Everything seems to display fine for me?
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I am skeptical that your sunglasses are actually polarized...

It's not that the screen is polarized exactly. All LCD screens just use a filter that allows light to go through in one direction. I'm pretty sure that's how you create black on a LCD, it will shift and no light escapes. The back light of an LCD is always on.
You could try turning the Nexus 7 upside down to what direction you had it. That will probably let you see the screen. It may be a little darker than normal though. I like polarized sunglasses for day driving because it stops glare so well and the glare kills my eyes. I never had problems not seeing potholes or puddles though...

Why I Think the nexus 7 screen is great

When i used the nexus 7 first i was sad that the screen isn't vibrant as the competition. They got everything right but the main thing wrong. Today i realized that they didnt get the screen wrong
I has a book for college in a pdf format. I decided to read it on the my cousins ipad 3 rather than my laptop thinking it will be cool bexause of the "RETINA" display. I read for 5 minutes then stopped. If i would have have carried on i would have gone blind. Then i thought hmmm let do in in the nexus. Reading book on laptop is pointless and boy was i amazed.
The screen was amazing for the book and didnt hurt my eyes at all and from now i am a Perfectly satisfied Nexus 7 Customer.
Google... You are Awesome

I read all the time on my iPad 3 and my eyes never hurt. Not sure how better calibrated colors are causing you problems reading PDF files.

I never really saw much of a huge difference between the vibrance of displays with the n7 vs other tablets... And this is coming from someone who's gets yearly for blindness tests. Glad to hear it works for you though!
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I don't have much of a comparison to the ipad other then I know this is easier to hold, but I do know I read know more now than ever before in my life because of this thing. It's just so easy and comfortable.
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Did you try changing the brightness of the ipad at all? I've read plenty on my ipad and never had a problem. The nexus has a good display but it does lacks little in contrast and colors. But it's good enough for what I use it for.
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buggatti said:
When i used the nexus 7 first i was sad that the screen isn't vibrant as the competition. They got everything right but the main thing wrong. Today i realized that they didnt get the screen wrong
I has a book for college in a pdf format. I decided to read it on the my cousins ipad 3 rather than my laptop thinking it will be cool bexause of the "RETINA" display. I read for 5 minutes then stopped. If i would have have carried on i would have gone blind. Then i thought hmmm let do in in the nexus. Reading book on laptop is pointless and boy was i amazed.
The screen was amazing for the book and didnt hurt my eyes at all and from now i am a Perfectly satisfied Nexus 7 Customer.
Google... You are Awesome
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I agree. My big brother & his wife has a Ipad 1 (mom & me got for wife's bday), which I sometimes use when at their house. That thing is a PAIN. I much prefer my Nexus 7, much better to use and hold in hand. Now my big b uses my Nexus EVERYTIME I'm at his house.
Poor Ipad

I have used both and have no problems with either device. Was a tough decision to buy the nexus after using my friends ipad 3. In the end it came down to portability and price. I can fit my nexus in my big coat pocket and head off to Uni. Its great
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Its not a bad screen but my one x does put it to shame!
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xvitality said:
Its not a bad screen but my one x does put it to shame!
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N7 screen is great ，but Ipad 2 better than N7 .

Here's what many professional analysis results found regarding the Nexus 7.
The display "hardware" is exceptional!!! There is no debate there.
But the firmware display calibration is "lousy" and thus impacts the display negatively for those that are wanting a much better color match. So if Google fixed this in a future update, then the display would move to the forefront of the 7" pack.
Here's hoping that an update results the calibration issues and pushes this display to the top of the 7" pack.

I have a KFHD7 and N7 in hand right now. Side by side, they are almost comparable. The N7 auto brightness is very aggressive and keeps the screen very dimmed. If you adjust your own brightness, the colors on the N7 will come through, however the KFHD has more contrast creating slightly more vibrant colors and deeper blacks. Something like that could be fixed with color calibration software. I'm honestly liking the N7 over the KFHD. Yes, the KFHD has better colors and definitely better sound, but I like the size and thinness of the N7. Feels much lighter and less bulky.

LCD screen door effect?

Anyone noticing a screen door effect with their LCD screen? Mine definitely has it, wondering if this is normal. My last two phones have been AMOLED, so I'm not sure.

Do you mean like this?
Nexus 4 has a pattern on the display.
(I'm trying to consolidate all these threads as more and more people finally get their hands on the phone)

crachel said:
Do you mean like this?
Nexus 4 has a pattern on the display.
(I'm trying to consolidate all these threads as more and more people finally get their hands on the phone)
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No, it's not dots like the digitizer. It's very fine horizontal and vertical lines like seen on some cheap TN panel monitors.
Unfortunately it's so fine I doubt I could capture it with a picture. But it seems to detract from the sharpness of the screen.

Guessing it's just me. I assume if I think my Galaxy Nexus screen looks better than the Nexus 4, then I probably got a defective Nexus 4. RMA time it seems.
I'm cursed. Had to RMA my Galaxy Nexus a couple times because of the purple effect. My Nexus 7 because of the lifted glass, now this. Ugh.

If I look close, I can make out a very slight screen door effect at times. I'm guessing all of them have this to some extent, but maybe it's worse on yours if it's so noticeable as to bother you.

Ravynmagi said:
No, it's not dots like the digitizer. It's very fine horizontal and vertical lines like seen on some cheap TN panel monitors.
Unfortunately it's so fine I doubt I could capture it with a picture. But it seems to detract from the sharpness of the screen.
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I've noticed it.... Thought I was the only one loll
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Is it as bad as the pentile screens like gs3 or note?
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Can't see it at all on mine, although I'm coming from a 50 dollar cheapo Optimus V so this thing just looks incredible no matter what lol
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Well good news for me, I no longer see this issue on my screen. It seems to have cleared up and it looks sharp and clear now. *Whew* I'm happy and love the screen.

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Well good news for me, I no longer see this issue on my screen. It seems to have cleared up and it looks sharp and clear now. *Whew* I'm happy and love the screen.
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I can definitely see it on mine, grays make it pop out more. It's not too bad to warrant the hassle of trying an exchange, though.
Not sure why it would clear up by itself, but if it does I am not gonna mind it

My LG thrill has that, and so does the HTC inspire.
Its normal I guess

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Is it as bad as the pentile screens like gs3 or note?
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No way, not even close to as bad as pentile.

I also see these vertical lines. Been driving me crazy when I focus on them. No worries though. Great phone.
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trent25 said:
I can definitely see it on mine, grays make it pop out more. It's not too bad to warrant the hassle of trying an exchange, though.
Not sure why it would clear up by itself, but if it does I am not gonna mind it
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You are right, it didn't. I think after using a while, I started seeing past it. Then I was messing around with my Galaxy Nexus and tablet. Then went back to the phone and I can notice those lines again.
It also depends on what I'm looking at. It really stands out looking at the XDA forums, on the brown colors (I'm using the XDA 2010 theme).

Boy do I miss the blacks...

I'm guessing many N4 owners were previously using an S3, Galaxy Nexus, Note (like me) or any other device with an amoled display. I just compared my screen (On the Clock app in night mode) with my dad's One S side by side and although I knew the blacks would never be as good on the N4, it hit me hard - the blacks suck.
I guess that can sound very wrong if taken out of context but in my opinion LG could have done better here, I'd like to hear what you guys think.
Not that it will change anything but a pointless conversation between some black screen enthusiasts - what else is the internet for anyway?
Shaizer out.

No. Just stop.

AshtonTS said:
No. Just stop.
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kindly elaborate

IMHO, I think you've gotten too used to AMOLED screens.
But, you do notice the non pentile? The more natural colors? Brighter display?
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Shaizer said:
I'm guessing many N4 owners were previously using an S3, Galaxy Nexus, Note (like me) or any other device with an amoled display. I just compared my screen (On the Clock app in night mode) with my dad's One S side by side and although I knew the blacks would never be as good on the N4, it hit me hard - the blacks suck.
I guess that can sound very wrong if taken out of context but in my opinion LG could have done better here, I'd like to hear what you guys think.
Not that it will change anything but a pointless conversation between some black screen enthusiasts - what else is the internet for anyway?
Shaizer out.
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Just warning you but all the fanboys are going to flame you for posting any criticism, regardless of how true it may be. Brace yourself it had already begun.
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Guess you never ran the black color test to see how bad gradients were on the Note/s3
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Once you go AMOLED black, you never go back

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IMHO, I think you've gotten too used to AMOLED screens.
But, you do notice the non pentile? The more natural colors? Brighter display?
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I got over the colours a while ago, the N4 does seem much more natural and premium but the issue here is the black - I can see it when I turn my lights off - probably will take some more time to get used to that.

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It's an LCD. You knew that when you bought the phone. No need to make another thread complaining about some aspect of this phone, especially something not specific to this phone in any way at all

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Haha I don't believe in taboos, I live and feed on internet controversy. I highly doubt anyone can say they prefer the N4 IPS black to amoled black, colours are a different argument but blacks - hands down amoled.

You're wrong in guessing that most people came from an AMOLED screen. I am coming from a One X and the LCDs are beautiful. To each his own.

There are pros and cons to both technologies. *shrug*
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2 more to the list.

your complaining about a physical constraint of an IPS panel. You can't compare amoled black because it doesn't produce black, its just off.
I'm more happy that I no longer have screen burn in and my movies don't ghost.
Edit: if you compare this IPS to maybe the iPhone IPS then we can have a discussion
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criticism of an already known fact.
the OP stresses an advantage of AMOLEDs and dismisses the various great aspects of LCDs like sharpness, bright display, less power consumption.. etc. he should have known what he was sacrificing when he chose to buy a phone with an LCD display. pointless thread.

The blacks are about as good as it gets on an LCD, TBH. They'll never be as good as AMOLED and if that's important to you then just stick with AMOLED. I've found that I spend a very small amount of time looking at screens with predominantly dark backgrounds, while I spend way more time looking at screens with white backgrounds, like webpages. And the whites on AMOLED are sickly looking.

After a year of having the GNex I can definitively say I like the display on the n4 much better. I am still using a solid black background on my n4 and the blacks seem plenty black to me. Putting them side by side I can definitely see a slight difference in black level but overall the n4 display looks better.

this thread is bordering on the edge of racism methinks!
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I miss the real blacks from the galaxy nexus, but this one is great too.
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I'm coming from a Galaxy S with an AMOLED then a S2 with an AMOLED over the last two and a half years. This screen looks wonderful to me. I haven't sat down and examined the difference between the two screens in different conditions, and tested it or whatever else, but I am quite happy with the screen. I don't think I'm just being a fanboy here and rather being realistic, and I've showed my friends too and they can't see anything wrong with the Nexus' screen.