I would like to unlock and root my Nexus 7, but I am reluctant because I don't want to void my warranty. SO far my Nexus 7 has performed flawlessly and hasn't had any issues that others have experienced. So I am wondering if I did unlock, will this completely void my warranty meaning that if any of these manufacturing defects did show up, would I be SOL?
I believe you can unroot if that happens.
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Im totally not sure of what google policy is about unlocking and rooting a device.. But at the same time. they made the device simple to unlock simple to root . They posted all software and code for the developers. My guess is they do not care what you do with the software on the device as long as you keep it legal and honest.
Just my guess .. But i will look into there exact policy.
remember because they post the above for all you can flash it back stock and lock it if need be ..
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I believe you can unroot if that happens.
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This.
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Yeah, I know you can unroot and re-lock, but does re-locking reinstate your warranty? That wouldn't make much sense.
Unlocking does not void your warranty against mfg defects.
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Asus's full terms of the warranty don't seem to be listed on their site. If you're worried, call Asus and ask them specifically about software modification and ask for a complete copy of the warranty terms as well.
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Yeah, I know you can unroot and re-lock, but does re-locking reinstate your warranty? That wouldn't make much sense.
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N00b question, but how would anyone know you unlocked and rooted and then unrooted and relocked?
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You have rights. Watch this video. He does a good job telling you your rights. http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/your-warranty-is-not-void-xda-tv/
As a example would a car manufacture void your warranty because you changed the radio, tinted the windows, or added a spoiler. Same concept with electronics how can they not cover a hardware issue such as a bad board or nand flash chip for you setting a simple sticky bit?.
The whole point of getting a Nexus is to unlock and unleash the power of development. Just do it and don't look back!
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You won't void any hardware defects. Only way it wouldn't be covered is if you brick it by flashing bad software
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Well, I can't get the unlock tool to work with the newest update anyway...so perhaps this is a moot point.
The update doesn't effect the ability to unlock the bootloader
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The update doesn't effect the ability to unlock the bootloader
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It's not working here. Just locks up the computer...as in completely unresponsive lockup. No CTRL-ALT-DEL, nothing. Let it sit for over an hour and it is dead as a doornail.
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Well, I can't get the unlock tool to work with the newest update anyway...so perhaps this is a moot point.
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You don't need a tool. All you need is the fastboot drivers and the fastboot.exe.
Then run in a cmd prompt: fastboot oem unlock
Your phone should ask you to confirm and that's it. The boot loader is unlocked.
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Anyone have a fully working HULU Plus after unlocking/rooting? I ask because it stops streaming on my other devicesnand it's one of the few things that is stopping me from unlocking myself.
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It's not working here. Just locks up the computer...as in completely unresponsive lockup. No CTRL-ALT-DEL, nothing. Let it sit for over an hour and it is dead as a doornail.
EDIT: Found the problem
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Please share the problem and the fix incase others run into it on their end.
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You have rights. Watch this video. He does a good job telling you your rights. http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/your-warranty-is-not-void-xda-tv/
As a example would a car manufacture void your warranty because you changed the radio, tinted the windows, or added a spoiler. Same concept with electronics how can they not cover a hardware issue such as a bad board or nand flash chip for you setting a simple sticky bit?.
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Those are bad examples.
You change the radio you could void your electrical warranty. Adding a spoiler/body kit or simply changing the color of your car voids the body warranty. Throwing on a turbo or go beyond the means of factory for your engine voids you engine warranty. As long as you stay within factory tolerances your warranty will never be voided for any modifications.
If you change your ROM(engine) on your phone(car) then your hardware warranty(body) will always be covered. Software wise they will not give you support. Now if you overlock your CPU/GPU/RAM and they burn out you voided your warranty and this is where they repair them and start up your device they'll know as you couldn't bring it back to stock at that point.
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You have rights. Watch this video. He does a good job telling you your rights. http://www.xda-developers.com/xda-tv-2/your-warranty-is-not-void-xda-tv/
As a example would a car manufacture void your warranty because you changed the radio, tinted the windows, or added a spoiler. Same concept with electronics how can they not cover a hardware issue such as a bad board or nand flash chip for you setting a simple sticky bit?.
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Actually, yes a car manufacturer can do those things. If its an electrical problem they can easily say it was caused by the aftermarket radio. The spoiler and tinted windows can void things like if the trunk rusts quickly or the window motors go bad.
Your insurance could void a claim for the latter 2, as well. Lowered visibility.
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Well, basically the drivers could not install because Windows 7 was installed the "correct" drivers (for lack of a better term) for the Nexus 7. So in device manager I had to disable Nexus 7 under "portable devices" and then I had to manually update the Nexus (I think) driver under unknown devices. I pointed it to the directory where the tool was installed. Everything worked after that.
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My Nexus One has developed a stuck pixel. As a launch week buyer, I have 2 more months on my warranty. I also don't own any other phone compatible with my carrier, so I'd prefer a device swap over waiting for a repair - especially since I'm located in Canada.
Any experiences to report involving warranty swaps now that the Nexus One is no longer sold?
Also, I have a little scuff on the corner of my phone, which may or may not count as normal wear and tear. Has anyone here ever been charged for phone damage after a device swap?
I've rooted it but the bootloader is still locked. I was thinking that if I restore to stock via PASSIMG, Google shouldn't know the difference. Perhaps I'll even be able to restore the nandroid backup of one phone to the other.
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Feh. The device swap is no longer an option unless I use a US address. I'm not incredibly excited at the prospect of having to cross the border and pick up my device in a strange place in order to obtain warranty service.
And since I don't currently own any other phone that'll work on WIND Mobile, sending it in for warranty is not an option either.
My choice is, cough up some money for an interim replacement phone, or cross the border for a device swap.
You can have it shipped to my house...
LOL, i just shipped mine out, using a dumb phone is really freakin me out!
Miss my Nexus one already.
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You can have it shipped to my house...
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Heh thanks, but Baltimore is pretty far from Vancouver.
I'll mull over my options. Warranty ends early in January, but I have a 1-year extension due to my credit card's extended warranty program. I could go with a receiving service in Blaine or Point Roberts but it's just a pain. Or alternately I could get myself a secondary phone to tide me over... which costs money.
Off topic, But did you have to call google to setup the exchange? My power button is beginning to not want to work all the time so i'm thinking about warranty exchanging it. However, my phone is rooted with s=off think that will be a problem?
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Heh thanks, but Baltimore is pretty far from Vancouver.
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I'm in Washington state...
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Where in WA?
If I go ahead with it via a US address, I could always use The Letter Carrier in Point Roberts. Still it's a pain.
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I'm in Washington state...
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Remember that HTC uses SLCD on their Nexus One phones. I called Warranty Repair to setup a swap and she said that all phone are exchanged with the new SLCD screens.
So if you have an AMOLED and you don't want an SLCD just think of your options. Either deal with the pixel and keep Amoled or swap to a new SLCD. Some people say that they've swapped and they've gotten AMOLED in return, so I think its a 50/50 chance.
I've seen the SLCD Desire models. I think I actually like them better because the jagged edges of the Pentile matrix give me a headache after a while. So that wouldn't bother me too much. However it would make ROM Manager useless until Clockwork Recovery is updated to support SLCD. So I'd need to flash Amon recovery manually via flash_image.
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I think the speaker on my One has blown. The sound is very distorted even when on low volumes. Could this be a software issue or is it most likely to be hardware?
I have unlocked the bootloader and flashed the latest version of TrickDroid so I'm not sure where I stand with the warranty.
Thanks is advance.
On HTC warranty - most probably it is void now. You can call them and check if they are willing to fix a rooted phone.
In EU (and I assume you are in UK) you have Statutory Warranty - 2 years.This is regulated by consumer regulations and this comes from EU. This one is NOT void through rooting - http://piana.eu/root. This said - I am currently having serious problems with fixing my S3 this way in Norway (legislation is identical) and I have to go through consumer counsel/tribunal which takes up to 6 months in total...
If you're in a country where covered by appropriate legislation, a Sale of Goods Act law will almost certainly a problem like this so soon after purchase, especially considering you're not at fault.
Check out if your country has such legislation which covers you, and if so ask for a replacement under that legislation. If not, eh... ask politely?
I think the speaker on my One has blown. The sound is very distorted even when on low volumes. Could this be a software issue or is it most likely to be hardware?
I have unlocked the bootloader and flashed the latest version of TrickDroid so I'm not sure where I stand with the warranty.
Thanks is advance.
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Forgive my ignorance as I have only had Samsung phones the past few years but, shouldn't you just be able to flash back to stock and unroot? I wouldn't think it would be too difficult. However, as I said, I have only had experience with Samsung phones for a while.
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Forgive my ignorance as I have only had Samsung phones the past few years but, shouldn't you just be able to flash back to stock and unroot? I wouldn't think it would be too difficult. However, as I said, I have only had experience with Samsung phones for a while.
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Yes I agree. Flash stock and get a replacement
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Forgive my ignorance as I have only had Samsung phones the past few years but, shouldn't you just be able to flash back to stock and unroot? I wouldn't think it would be too difficult. However, as I said, I have only had experience with Samsung phones for a while.
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The bootloader is nlocked through HTCDev so they have the IMEI. Also when you relock it says 'relocked' instead of 'locked' (exactly like when you mess with pc odin and you flash back to a samsung rom it says 'official' but the flash counter isn't reset). To be able to get back a 'locked' status (so the equivalent of triangle away on samsung devices) you need s-off.
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The bootloader is nlocked through HTCDev so they have the IMEI. Also when you relock it says 'relocked' instead of 'locked' (exactly like when you mess with pc odin and you flash back to a samsung rom it says 'official' but the flash counter isn't reset). To be able to get back a 'locked' status (so the equivalent of triangle away on samsung devices) you need s-off.
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Unlocking doesn't void the warranty more than likely. At least here in the U.S they don't care
It depends on the carrier
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Dump your hboot and upload it here. Then tell me what should be written there instead of relocked I can rename it for you
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Dump your hboot and upload it here. Then tell me what should be written there instead of relocked I can rename it for you
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Magic isn't allowed on XDA.
I'm gonna report on this tomorrow... I got a couple of pops in my speaker when playing YouTube videos on the lowest volume at first. For some reason when I played music at full volume there were no problems but as soon as I put the volume lower and played a YouTube video every know and then i would get a pop sound.
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I just took then phone back to a Phones4U shop and they replaced it there and then. It would seem if the phone develops a fault within 28 days of purchase you can take it back to the retailer instead of HTC. Most retailers wouldn't have a clue if you have unlocked the bootloader and flashed custom Roms so it didnt matter.
As I couldnt find the correct RUU I just took it into the shop with TrickDroid's Rom still installed and they didn't question it at all!! :laugh:
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I just took then phone back to a Phones4U shop and they replaced it there and then. It would seem if the phone develops a fault within 28 days of purchase you can take it back to the retailer instead of HTC. Most retailers wouldn't have a clue if you have unlocked the bootloader and flashed custom Roms so it didnt matter.
As I couldnt find the correct RUU I just took it into the shop with TrickDroid's Rom still installed and they didn't question it at all!! :laugh:
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Yours might possibly be a newer batch phone now. Can u check for the iconic 'gap' at the top and bottom or for any overhang.
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Yours might possibly be a newer batch phone now. Can u check for the iconic 'gap' at the top and bottom or for any overhang.
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Oh my god didn't notice that before. Yes there is a small gap at the top, very minor at the bottom. Cant see any overhang.
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Oh my god didn't notice that before. Yes there is a small gap at the top, very minor at the bottom. Cant see any overhang.
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OK they are definitely still shipping first batch phones. Anyone wanting exchange should still wait.
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I have the same issue on my phone. Tried the included Thor movie, speakers crackle at any volume. So many issues with the phone! Still love it, will arrange for a return and exchange hopefully with a second batch phone.
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I think the speaker on my One has blown. The sound is very distorted even when on low volumes. Could this be a software issue or is it most likely to be hardware?
I have unlocked the bootloader and flashed the latest version of TrickDroid so I'm not sure where I stand with the warranty.
Thanks is advance.
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Hi there, do you have the youtube link for the crack sound? I want to try with my New One estimate to arrive tomorrow.
After further investigation, the sound problem only shows up when certain videos are played (hi-def MKVs I think). Sound is fine otherwise, so I think it is a software issue. Can anyone else try THOR on HTC Watch, at the beginning of the film, when it should be silent, do you hear the speakers crackle even at low volumes?
On my replacement handset the bottom speaker has totally gone. No sound coming through it at all. Back to Phones4U :crying:
Wth, how am I suppose to buy this phone online when there are so many problems detected????? I need to buy 4 phones online and the main problem is that I won't even be able to return in case of problems since im from faaar away where HTC has long gone.
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Wth, how am I suppose to buy this phone online when there are so many problems detected????? I need to buy 4 phones online and the main problem is that I won't even be able to return in case of problems since im from faaar away where HTC has long gone.
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Wait a while until the new batches are out and most problems should be sorted by then.
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Samsung Knox 2.0 brings two-factor authentication and better sandboxing
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You may have thought that you could get away from more Samsung news after the tsunami of Galaxy S5 coverage, but Samsung never strays too far from the headlines in the mobile world. During the S5 announcement, Samsung promised a new version of its Knox security would be unveiled, and now we know what to expect. Not surprisingly, Knox 2.0 leverages the Galaxy S5's new fingerprint scanner, and offers quite a bit more for the enterprise crowd.
The new version of Knox will offer a special treat for those who grab the new Galaxy S5 by allowing users to set up two-factor authentication on their devices. This would mean needing to both scan your fingerprint and enter your password to access your data. Samsung also has plenty of new features for those with older devices, and many focus on making management easier for both users and the IT department.
Users get better sandboxing, so you can set up separate containers for different jobs or multiple locations or even as a way to separate your work data from personal data. It has also been made easier to get the apps you want and need. Now, any apps that support Android's multi-user framework can be installed into a secure container.
On the enterprise management side, there is a new cloud-based console for IT admins to keep control of devices, user accounts, access, and apps. The system now supports iOS devices in addition to Android as well. Samsung has also set up a new Knox Marketplace, where businesses can discover and install Knox services.
Samsung has been pushing hard to gain more share of the enterprise market, but the numbers are difficult to parse. Samsung has said that it has sold 25 million devices with Knox since it first launched in , but there are only 1 million active users. It also reported 210,000 new activations each month. Knox 2.0 will be rolling out in Q2 of 2014 and will require Android 4.4.
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Any words???
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Samsung Knox 2.0 brings two-factor authentication and better sandboxing
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Any words???
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Goodbye Knox 0x0 root for ever.\
Bye SAMMY
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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Goodbye Knox 0x0 root for ever.\
Bye SAMMY
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bdithug said:
I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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Nobody ever said that you can't root or that you lose your warranty.
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Nobody ever said that you can't root or that you lose your warranty.
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Are you sure? I'm pretty sure if you trip your Knox counter, your warranty is void.
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Are you sure? I'm pretty sure if you trip your Knox counter, your warranty is void.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50219902&postcount=1983
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That was in the EU though. Samsung Canada or North America might have different policy.
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I knew six months ago that any new Galaxy phone I upgrade to, will be a Google Play Edition only.
That or the Developer edition. Either should be easier to root/ROM.
AT&T and Verizon are for sure locked down. No AOSP ROM's at all.
Not sure about Sprint or T-Mobile?
Just went to best buy and spoke with a Samsung agent from their Samsung department. Rooting your phone does void your warranty here in Canada and most likely the US as well.
Screw samsung
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I ditched my s4 before the 4.2 update to avoid Knox. I am no fan of any device I can not root/recovery and then return it to factory state.
Loving life in nexus land.
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Just went to best buy and spoke with a Samsung agent from their Samsung department. Rooting your phone does void your warranty here in Canada and most likely the US as well.
Screw samsung
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It'll probably be the same for all except maybe Motorola and Sony dev editions.
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I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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Yeah, I said the same thing. I ended up leaving VZW for Tmo (the ETF payoff thingy) and their Note 3 has unlocked bootloader. Basically a developers edition.
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I knew six months ago that any new Galaxy phone I upgrade to, will be a Google Play Edition only.
That or the Developer edition. Either should be easier to root/ROM.
AT&T and Verizon are for sure locked down. No AOSP ROM's at all.
Not sure about Sprint or T-Mobile?
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lol ill repeat myself... thats the same thing I said as well before switching to Tmo and getting their Note 3 which has unlocked bootloader. Basically a developers edition.
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I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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because you can't brick your computer unless you do stupid things with your motherboard bios or whatever.
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I read that article this morning. All it means is I'm done with Samsung until they revamp their Knox / warranty policy. When you spend hundreds of dollars on a phone, you should be able to customize the software without voiding your warranty. Samsung is garbage now.
When I buy a computer that is preloaded with Windows, then install Linux to dual boot, I don't void my warranty on it. Why should it be different with a phone?
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+1.
What is a device that do not provide me the way I wanted it to. I truly believe the very popularity of the Samsung is not just for their heavy Touchwiz UI but it provides the customization to the user to use it as they wish.
I never will let Samsung decide how I have to use my phone and it is me who should think what I have to do with my phone.
All that I say is Samsung S5 is Sorry5, Goodbye5, Sucks5 and Knox -5
I don't see what the big deal about Knox is.?? I don't have it but if I did and I have to do a warranty exchange, I'll hard brick it by flashing a bad rom etc. They can't tell it's been flashed or rooted if it won't turn on right?
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They can't tell it's been flashed or rooted if it won't turn on right?
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If they can boot it to download mode they can see the Knox flag so that won't work. And to anyone who said that Knox won't void your warranty in Europe etc.... Are you ready to take Samsung to court just to prove a point? They have voided warranties for custom stuff before and even though many countries have strong consumer laws, you would most likely have to sue Samsung. That would cost more time and money than most people have just to get a warranty repair/replacement.
Plus Samsung isn't the only manufacturer who's doing this. Sony has began locking their bootloaders and it's getting more and more difficult to unlock+root their phones without leaving traces. Same applies to HTC who have an "unlocked" flag for unlocked bootloaders. And LG is catching up etc.
Basically Samsung or not, the days of rooting + flashing without issues are gone. That's just how it is now.
If you want a phone to toy around, get a Nexus or be prepared to take responsibility of your device even if the fault isn't yours.
I never cared for warranty stuff,as far as I'm concerned, Knox can kiss my a$$.
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If they can boot it to download mode they can see the Knox flag so that won't work. And to anyone who said that Knox won't void your warranty in Europe etc.... Are you ready to take Samsung to court just to prove a point? They have voided warranties for custom stuff before and even though many countries have strong consumer laws, you would most likely have to sue Samsung. That would cost more time and money than most people have just to get a warranty repair/replacement.
Plus Samsung isn't the only manufacturer who's doing this. Sony has began locking their bootloaders and it's getting more and more difficult to unlock+root their phones without leaving traces. Same applies to HTC who have an "unlocked" flag for unlocked bootloaders. And LG is catching up etc.
Basically Samsung or not, the days of rooting + flashing without issues are gone. That's just how it is now.
If you want a phone to toy around, get a Nexus or be prepared to take responsibility of your device even if the fault isn't yours.
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True... but cut the wires off your USB charger so they're exposed. do the same on an old power cord, connect 'em and plug it in... oh, wear some rubber gloves while you do this "Hey man, the damned thing just COMBUSTED in my hand!"
(Actually, would be better with something like 24V... enough to fry the main board but not enough to generate TOO much outward hints)
Just a out of curiosity how many times you guys used your warranty for one of your phones? I have been owning phones since 2000, and I never used my warranty once..
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Just a out of curiosity how many times you guys used your warranty for one of your phones? I have been owning phones since 2000, and I never used my warranty once..
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I've never done so on the manufacturer's warranty, it's always been on the insurance my carrier offers, I've done that a couple of times. They don't (or at least, never have) cared about root or warranty flags or any of that.
I called Sony Support and asked them exactly what breaks my warranty, and to my suprise they told me that both rooting and/or unlocking bootloader will nullify my warranty.
I thought that rooting without touching the bootloader meant that the warranty was intact.
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I called Sony Support and asked them exactly what breaks my warranty, and to my suprise they told me that both rooting and/or unlocking bootloader will nullify my warranty.
I thought that rooting without touching the bootloader meant that the warranty was intact.
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You loose the warranty once you modify the system, it's doesn't matter if bootloader is unlocked or nah, but you can root and if you want to go back to warranty, only flash you carrier firmware, I did that, I don't know how's you carrier working.
PD: sorry for my bad English.
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I can't exactly tell about the bootloader, but you can root your phone without any worries about warranty. Just make sure that after you return it for warranty that you flash an FTF, so the phone would be exactly like stock. That includes wiping all partitions when flashing an FTF in flashtool.
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Ask your self this, why should they offer you a warranty if you screw with their software/firmware?
"Hey look jonny, I can overclock my Z1 to 2.8 GHz and over volt the GPU... Hey jonny, my phone wont boot any more, any idea what's wrong with it?"
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Magnussen moss act is why
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Magnussen moss act is why
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"protect consumers from deceptive warranty practices.*"
How does that apply to a user being a f-wit. Does apple replace your ifone if you drop it in the crapper while taking a nude selfie?
don't even bother with a reply as you must be from the US where it is ok to sue your parents for not buying you the latest iBone or not paying for you to go to varsity
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"protect consumers from deceptive warranty practices.*"
How does that apply to a user being a f-wit. Does apple replace your ifone if you drop it in the crapper while taking a nude selfie?
don't even bother with a reply as you must be from the US where it is ok to sue your parents for not buying you the latest iBone or not paying for you to go to varsity
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Calm down bro don't take it seriously and you are correct that Sony is providing good software/hardware why should we mess with it I want to add those port apps from z2 but it needs root so I'm not installing it anyway
I'll wait for official kitkat
Sorry, it must be my anti US day of the month
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It does not protect the consumer from abuse claims. But rather instances of hardware failure not being covered because of an installed app. Or the nv flash going bad because of root.
In easier terms let's use a car as an example. If your manufacture says you have to change your oil at said interval they cannot deny your claim to a bad wheel bearing or your compressor going out etc.
Another example is with computers. When I used to support them for one of the big manufacturers we would not support them if they installed any other os. But once they reinstalled them we would.
So while rooting and unlocked bootloaders CAN damage things you can change the burden of proof and you still have rights.
So yes I am from America, and I modify almost everything. Hardly use warranties. But am by no means stupid. So please keep your assumptions out of this discussion
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It does not protect the consumer from abuse claims. But rather instances of hardware failure not being covered because of an installed app. Or the nv flash going bad because of root.
In easier terms let's use a car as an example. If your manufacture says you have to change your oil at said interval they cannot deny your claim to a bad wheel bearing or your compressor going out etc.
Another example is with computers. When I used to support them for one of the big manufacturers we would not support them if they installed any other os. But once they reinstalled them we would.
So while rooting and unlocked bootloaders CAN damage things you can change the burden of proof and you still have rights.
So yes I am from America, and I modify almost everything. Hardly use warranties. But am by no means stupid. So please keep your assumptions out of this discussion
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Issue is that after locking an flashing stock, we should still have DRM licences. It is stupid to loose them by unlocking bootloader. We bought the software with the phone. I do not loose my microsoft licence if I install linux and then I put windows back.
And think of how much money it would save them if they put an easy way to save/recovery them out. Even if it required a call or email with verification etc.
But most companies declare you do not buy software but rather license the user of it...stupid IMHO as open source usually had better results
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craoul said:
Issue is that after locking an flashing stock, we should still have DRM licences. It is stupid to loose them by unlocking bootloader. We bought the software with the phone. I do not loose my microsoft licence if I install linux and then I put windows back.
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From this day on, promise me that you will start using "lose" instead of "loose"
loose
adjective, loos·er, loos·est.
1. free or released from fastening or attachment: a loose end.
2. free from anything that binds or restrains; unfettered: loose cats prowling around in alleyways at night.
3. uncombined, as a chemical element.
4. not bound together: to wear one's hair loose.
5. not put up in a package or other container: loose mushrooms.
blueether said:
Sorry, it must be my anti US day of the month
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look here mr new zealand,
If it wasn't for the USA you wouldn't be typing in this forum now ,would you!
remember the USA made the internet
oh,don't tell me the someone from new zealand would have done it,yea right
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look here mr new zealand,
If it wasn't for the USA you wouldn't be typing in this forum now ,would you!
remember the USA made the internet
oh,don't tell me the someone from new zealand would have done it,yea right
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but it took a brit to give the 'internet' it's WWW, and we gave you the split atom for your beloved Nucs.
Hello guys!
If I root my phone without unlocking the bootloader, what limitations do I have to accept?
And, it I unlock the bootloader, how can I first of all backup my phone in order to return to stock anytime I need to? Will flashing with flashtool do the trick, with an unlocked bootloader?
Will hijack this post for a question, when i use flashtool to unlock boot loader it says hold menu button but where is the menu button because i had to power off. Cant figure that one out.
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Will hijack this post for a question, when i use flashtool to unlock boot loader it says hold menu button but where is the menu button because i had to power off. Cant figure that one out.
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use volume up button to get into fastboot mode
http://unlockbootloader.sonymobile.com/fastboot-buttons
So here's my situation, I have an at&t nexus 6 for as long as the phone is sold on at&t. I actually work for at&t and it's my company phone and I'm never going to switch out. But eventually when the phone goes end of life, I'll have to give it back. So if I unlock the bootloader and root, I will have to give it back to them and they will see that one of their employees voided the warranty, because I don't think I can relock the bootloader without some kind of message letting the entire world know that it was unlocked at some point. I'm also worried that the unlock/relock will have some sort of timestamp so they will be able to see when I do it. I tried searching for the answer to my ultimate question but found nothing, so I ask you fine people: is there a way to relock the bootloader while somehow hiding the fact that I tampered with it?
Thanks everyone! I'd really love to greenify and grab a battery friendly kernel when one is available, battery life has been a little subpar to this point, imo.
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On nexus, there's usually not a flag tripped if you unlock the bootloader. I'm not sure if Motorola did it for AT&T or not, but I doubt it. Just flash factory images, and fastboot oem lock and you should be good to go. Unlocking the bootloader doesn't automatically void the warranty on Nexus devices.
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Also make sure you put the death Star splash screen back when flashing the factory images.
When you unlock usually it sets tamper flag to let warranty departments know the bootloader has been unlocked in the past. This app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.segv11.bootunlocker&hl=en allowed Nexus users to relock and reset the tamper flag in the past but I'm not sure if it works or has been updated for the new devices yet.
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When you unlock usually it sets tamper flag to let warranty departments know the bootloader has been unlocked in the past. This app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.segv11.bootunlocker&hl=en allowed Nexus users to relock and reset the tamper flag in the past but I'm not sure if it works or has been updated for the new devices yet.
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Thanks for this, I'll email the developer and see if I can find out more about it [emoji106]
So in case anyone else ever needs to research this topic I figured I'd update, I emailed the developer of bootunlocker and haven't received anything back yet. It's only been a day so I'm still hopeful, but I also haven't seen a single ago review from anyone using the nexus 6. Since this is my company phone I am afraid to test but if I come across anything I will add it here.
Here's my opinion:
I really really doubt that your employer is going to be check (or care) whether the tamper flag was tripped or not. They will likely check for physical damage, custom ROM, encryption status and your bootloader status. Unless you pissed off your IT person and he just wants to find some problem and decides to check anything more, it is unlikely they will bother. And even if they did, plead ignorance (play dumb).
I (in all likelihood) do not work for your employer, so please use your better judgement.
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Here's my opinion:
I really really doubt that your employer is going to be check (or care) whether the tamper flag was tripped or not. They will likely check for physical damage, custom ROM, encryption status and your bootloader status. Unless you pissed off your IT person and he just wants to find some problem and decides to check anything more, it is unlikely they will bother. And even if they did, plead ignorance (play dumb).
I (in all likelihood) do not work for your employer, so please use your better judgement.
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Well I'm a sales consultant in a store. As far as I know when they send them back it's the same process as warranty. You send it back, they check for damage, they flash stock firmware, and refurb it for use as a warranty exchange, as you stated. However, if I'm wrong I could potentially lose my job for tampering with company property. That's why I haven't done it yet and it's why I probably won't. I need a 100% guarantee that there will be no evidence of tampering and there's no such thing in this world. This could still have good info if someone needs to research the topic of bootloader relock but I think until a few more services get art support anyway I really don't need unlock/root that badly. I just need to keep my turbocharger handy for now.
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Well I'm a sales consultant in a store. As far as I know when they send them back it's the same process as warranty. You send it back, they check for damage, they flash stock firmware, and refurb it for use as a warranty exchange, as you stated. However, if I'm wrong I could potentially lose my job for tampering with company property. That's why I haven't done it yet and it's why I probably won't. I need a 100% guarantee that there will be no evidence of tampering and there's no such thing in this world. This could still have good info if someone needs to research the topic of bootloader relock but I think until a few more services get art support anyway I really don't need unlock/root that badly. I just need to keep my turbocharger handy for now.
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Any phone sent back is checked by a tech for if it has damage, water damage, and the number matches so they can mark the account as having it returned, if it boots, they are going to immediately flash it to stock and then verify it works, and move on to the next phone .... Really.
It's just above the conversation of a person with a unlocked rooted phone who has actually bricked it (not thought so in 99% of cases here in which members have resurrected it), if it was turned in bricked, they verify it doesn't even boot at all, and it gets scrapped for parts for other refurbs to get assembled, busted screens, etc. and then they move on to another phone return.
I know this because I've worked with people who used to do it for Asurion ... I wouldn't worry about it.
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Well I'm a sales consultant in a store. As far as I know when they send them back it's the same process as warranty. You send it back, they check for damage, they flash stock firmware, and refurb it for use as a warranty exchange, as you stated. However, if I'm wrong I could potentially lose my job for tampering with company property. That's why I haven't done it yet and it's why I probably won't. I need a 100% guarantee that there will be no evidence of tampering and there's no such thing in this world. This could still have good info if someone needs to research the topic of bootloader relock but I think until a few more services get art support anyway I really don't need unlock/root that badly. I just need to keep my turbocharger handy for now.
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While there shouldn't be a problem, there are a lot of 'what ifs' to consider. What if you end up with a broken screen or major water damage where your phone doesn't even turn on? If the IT team is able to change the screen/battery, they will see the unlocked bootloader - etc. Anyway, given your concern, I agree - play it safe.
Personally, the main reason I root are for Xprivacy (not possible at the moment because XPosed/ART issues), and for adaway. (For example: XDA forums using chrome are very very cluttered with ads and I find it almost unusable. Yes, I could use tapatalk or similar apps, but the ads are on almost all sites. I find adaway to be a must have.
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While there shouldn't be a problem, there are a lot of 'what ifs' to consider. What if you end up with a broken screen or major water damage where your phone doesn't even turn on? If the IT team is able to change the screen/battery, they will see the unlocked bootloader - etc. Anyway, given your concern, I agree - play it safe.
Personally, the main reason I root are for Xprivacy (not possible at the moment because XPosed/ART issues), and for adaway. (For example: XDA forums using chrome are very very cluttered with ads and I find it almost unusable. Yes, I could use tapatalk or similar apps, but the ads are on almost all sites. I find adaway to be a must have.
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I agree. Same here the main reason I root is for greenify (that one makes sense) and xposed (if your devices' screen is over 4.7" check out a module called "flying android", its a game changer!! True one-handed operation). I think if/when xposed gets art support I'll just go buy my own. I'm in love with the nexus 6 and my only complaint is the front facing camera quality, but unless my wife is around I don't touch that camera anyway haha
is there a fast boot command that allows you to check the tamper status like the nexus 5 'fastboot oem device-info' ?
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Well I'm a sales consultant in a store. As far as I know when they send them back it's the same process as warranty. You send it back, they check for damage, they flash stock firmware, and refurb it for use as a warranty exchange, as you stated. However, if I'm wrong I could potentially lose my job for tampering with company property. That's why I haven't done it yet and it's why I probably won't. I need a 100% guarantee that there will be no evidence of tampering and there's no such thing in this world. This could still have good info if someone needs to research the topic of bootloader relock but I think until a few more services get art support anyway I really don't need unlock/root that badly. I just need to keep my turbocharger handy for now.
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It is a VERY long stretch to assume that you'll get in any kind of trouble for using the device ***AS INTENDED***. Bootloader unlock, ESPECIALLY on a Nexus device, DOES NOT VOID THE WARRANTY!!! (even if they warn you that it *might* -- that warning is really there just to tell you that you are losing SOFTWARE SUPPORT). I.e., if you eff up the system image so it won't boot, then you send it back for warranty, they will tell you that you effed it up yourself and send you a repair bill. THAT IS ALL IT IS FOR.
Even the device INSTRUCTIONS tell you how to unlock it!
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
Nobody can possibly claim that this is anything besides INTENDED USE, because the instructions explain how to do it!
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It is a VERY long stretch to assume that you'll get in any kind of trouble for using the device ***AS INTENDED***. Bootloader unlock, ESPECIALLY on a Nexus device, DOES NOT VOID THE WARRANTY!!! (even if they warn you that it *might* -- that warning is really there just to tell you that you are losing SOFTWARE SUPPORT). I.e., if you eff up the system image so it won't boot, then you send it back for warranty, they will tell you that you effed it up yourself and send you a repair bill. THAT IS ALL IT IS FOR.
Even the device INSTRUCTIONS tell you how to unlock it!
https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
Nobody can possibly claim that this is anything besides INTENDED USE, because the instructions explain how to do it!
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Its true that Google play purchased devices will not be voided by unlocking, but pretty much any other carrier or retailer will void your warranty. This was true on the nexus 5 too. Play devices fine, but anything going back to LG would be voided if unlocked. There's no reason to assume its different on the 6.
I specifically bought from Play this time to prevent this being an issue for me.
but does locking the bootloader hide any signs of tampering, at least that Motorola would look for...........?
what is status code 2, someone must know....?
just bumping this up.............
any experts out there know how to check the nexus 6 for tamper flags?
do you know what the bootloader: locked status code: 2 means....
looking for reassurance..............
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just bumping this up.............
any experts out there know how to check the nexus 6 for tamper flags?
do you know what the bootloader: locked status code: 2 means....
looking for reassurance..............
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Please don't bump threads within 24 hours. Its against the rules.
I see you're asking similar questions all over the place. I'm going to answer what I hope is all of your questions in 1 post.
How can you check the Tamper flag? We do not know. There seems to be no fastboot command to check it.
What is status 2?: We don't know. We assume it means "locked" but we can't be sure. Unlocked seems to be status 3.
What is the most I can do to ensure warranty? Relock your bootloader.
Is this enough to get warranty? If you bought from Google directly, it doesnt matter if it is locked or not. Anywhere else, we dont know.
Thanks for the reassurance......
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Its true that Google play purchased devices will not be voided by unlocking, but pretty much any other carrier or retailer will void your warranty. This was true on the nexus 5 too. Play devices fine, but anything going back to LG would be voided if unlocked. There's no reason to assume its different on the 6.
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Absolutely (a) nonsense, (b) illegal of them.
Those LG "service reps" (aka India), are trained to try to avoid paying out warranty claims. Hence manufacturing details that are in direct violation of the laws where the devices are sold, and even the INTENTION of the manufacturer. Some people (you) just need to try a little harder to escalate matters before giving in to that kind of tactic.