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Kaiser TyTN2 8925 gps software

Has anyone used the gps software very much? Better yet has anyone used it outside of the US? I've read good things about Tomtom, but as far as I know it's useless outside of North America. I'm looking for something I can use in China. I know that there are many programs here with the data but I have hardly seen this phone here so don't know if any are compatible with WM6. I have installed Google Maps which has beautiful images, but w/o Edge access it's not useful, and while the images are great there is no street data. Strangely there is no street data, but if I go to Google's China page, ditu.google.cn there is excellent street data, just no phone interface or way of making the gps work with it.
Thanks for any tips (in English or Chinese)!

I use TomTom in the UK and find it acceptable. It can be slow to update when you make a turn but whether that is due to the video drivers, TomTom itself or the GPS receiver I couldn't say.

izmahoby said:
Has anyone used the gps software very much? Better yet has anyone used it outside of the US? I've read good things about Tomtom, but as far as I know it's useless outside of North America. I'm looking for something I can use in China. I know that there are many programs here with the data but I have hardly seen this phone here so don't know if any are compatible with WM6. I have installed Google Maps which has beautiful images, but w/o Edge access it's not useful, and while the images are great there is no street data. Strangely there is no street data, but if I go to Google's China page, ditu.google.cn there is excellent street data, just no phone interface or way of making the gps work with it.
Thanks for any tips (in English or Chinese)!
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Yes GPS works well outside the US. In in Europe and it works great.
Havent used TomTom. but i have used almost every other GPS software there is. Do a search ...some good ones are Garmin xt, Destinator 7, pocket navigator 7..
Google maps.. i didnt like. too amateur and it does have maps to all countries.
DO NOT USE Google Navigator..it %^&*ed up my phone settings and was too slow.

I use Garmin XT. My mother has a garmin Nuvi unit, and its just as good as hers only the screen is slightly smaller, but it works great! GPS has a fix for me within 10 seconds everytime.

izmahoby said:
Has anyone used the gps software very much? Better yet has anyone used it outside of the US? I've read good things about Tomtom, but as far as I know it's useless outside of North America. I'm looking for something I can use in China. I know that there are many programs here with the data but I have hardly seen this phone here so don't know if any are compatible with WM6. I have installed Google Maps which has beautiful images, but w/o Edge access it's not useful, and while the images are great there is no street data. Strangely there is no street data, but if I go to Google's China page, ditu.google.cn there is excellent street data, just no phone interface or way of making the gps work with it.
Thanks for any tips (in English or Chinese)!
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MapKing 2007.

TomTom was the first and is still the best sat nav software.
Developed in Europe and works great.
Have used many others, including Garmin and Navman but TomTom is still the only one that has never sent me the wrong way, after 7 years of use.

http://www.compegps.com/
maybe this is something for you, the 1st software I know which is combining Vector maps AND bitmaps. Check the coverage of the Vektor maps, but for the bitmaps you can use ANY bitmaps.
I have tomtom and all available maps installed on my memory card. US, East and west Europe, Singapore, HongKong, Australia and smoething from Afrika.
The navgation so far was good on a small trip in europe, the other cards are just in case, but I will use it later this year in the US.
For Asia I am realy considering the above mentioned software, I did not have it yet, but it good a good report in a german WM magazin. With the bitmaps you cannot navigate like with Vector maps, but you see at at least where you are.
Best regards,
Claus

Nadavi just posted the info on the Polaris HTC GPS program. Of all that I tried, this is the best. Search it on this forum.

what about google maps. i have used it in a jam and thaught it was pretty good . and it is free. you do need a data plan , but in a pinch it's worth it

mrdobie said:
what about google maps. i have used it in a jam and thaught it was pretty good . and it is free. you do need a data plan , but in a pinch it's worth it
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no voice navigation

I've tested Telenav, TomTom, and Mio Maps. Google Maps and Windows Live I really don't consider a "driving" GPS, so I wont comment on those.
Telenav wasn't great. Looks nice, but paying 9.99 extra a month to dl maps as your driving sucks. Especially as you're driving and the map just times-out.
TomTom is by far the EASIEST to install and use. Drop a CAB file in, and drag and drop the map folder on your SD card and you're ready to go. However, the maps folder is almost a gig. Super user friendly and you can find flash software to make your own POI's. I like modding TomTom, but it does move slow at times.
Mio Maps. By far the BEST looking and accuarte of all I've tried. Also easy to install on the Tilt. Maps can be chosen by state or country and loaded into the maps folder, so the maps don't take-up a lot of memory on your card. It's a european-type GPS, but its VERY nice. So far my favorite visually, though I still use TomTom for its simplicity to use.
***EDIT*** Removed RIDICULOUS insinuation of a warez offer since this post NEVER contained any of the such.

Would love a speaking GPS program for my Tilt.
Please "point me" in the "right" direction to get the tom tom navigator or some other really good speaking navigator for my Tilt.
Thank you millions.

cabforager said:
Please "point me" in the "right" direction to get the tom tom navigator or some other really good speaking navigator for my Tilt.
Thank you millions.
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Thanks a Million for reading our Forum policies. WAREZ are not supported here.
=> First request gets you a warning.
Second request (or dare you post WAREZ) gets you a Ban..
Any questions follow the links in my signature.
Sad that your first post was such...

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Thanks a Million for reading our Forum policies. WAREZ are not supported here.
=> First request gets you a warning.
Second request (or dare you post WAREZ) gets you a Ban..
Any questions follow the links in my signature.
Sad that your first post was such...
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uuuummm...what in the world is WAREZ?
I'm sorry for that but I am trying so hard to find good voice navigated GPS software for my Tilt and when you said that I flipped out and did't mean to post twice but this is literally the first forum I have ever registered for...and I'm not sure why that posted twice since I only posted once...

Actually, I don't care.
I read the "rules" and find in number 8 how you say temple very rude and disturbing to those of the Jewish faith.
Since I have never posted on a forum before, I feel like this was a terrible welcome to the world of forums and do not plan on visiting your forum anymore.
I know that there are forums out there who would appreciate more members and care more about how they write their rules.

cabforager said:
Actually, I don't care.
I read the "rules" and find in number 8 how you say temple very rude and disturbing to those of the Jewish faith.
Since I have never posted on a forum before, I feel like this was a terrible welcome to the world of forums and do not plan on visiting your forum anymore.
I know that there are forums out there who would appreciate more members and care more about how they write their rules.
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What? How could you take that as anything offensive to the Jewish faith. It mentions nothing specific. The only thing offensive in rule eight is the word "liberal." lol.
Warez are illegal copies of or "pirated" software.

michalopoulosgk said:
Nadavi just posted the info on the Polaris HTC GPS program. Of all that I tried, this is the best. Search it on this forum.
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Providing a link is always appreciated. You are meaning this, yes?
I like it, but if you don't have a map to hand it's not exactly handy. It was mostly interesting to see the satellite locations and following the location information. (If you're a geek, you'll love it).
I am using Garmin XT (nicked it off my Dad who no longer used it), but I don't exactly use it often. For the limited GPS assisted travelling I have done, it has been more than adequate. I'll echo what someone said i that it works quite well. Get a lock within 25 seconds of walking out my front door, sometimes before I leave.

Well, you can use the Mapking softwares. This is the one i use in Beijing (version R12.0 is dedicated to the Kaiser although i know that Mapking 2007 is also working). It's working well although it's not super fancy (like Tom Tom) and the maps are pretty old especially in a country where cities change every new moon.
I have been looking for GPS programs to use in China for a while and as far as i know there is not a lot of possibilities if you want to have English maps. If you can read Chinese then you have a lot of choice.
Among the programs i have checked is Gmap, a software that can import maps from GoogleMaps (like the Google Ditu ones for China) ... but it's a bit tricky as it requieres an IBM Java platform (it won't work otherwise). I couldn't make it work on my Kaiser but i might give it a try again.
Apart from that, Destinator 6.1 might also have something soon ... but i haven't really checked yet.
Anyway, I am also curious if someone has any ideas on that matter.
PS: guys, most of your answer are far from the initial topic. The original question was not "What do I have in my nice little Kaiser?" so please if you just want to tell what software you like to use, then create another post. Thanks.

Gps in the caribbean
So far the only gps software i can usefully use in the caribbean is google maps, i am guessing that tomtom and other software manufactures not interested in doing our maps yet.

fivbag said:
So far the only gps software i can usefully use in the caribbean is google maps, i am guessing that tomtom and other software manufactures not interested in doing our maps yet.
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I'm sure you googled "GPS MAPS CARIBBEAN" before you made your FIRST COMPLAINING POST HERE and found the link to FREE maps of Caribbean (http://rwsmaps.griffel.se/) which was the second highest rated link on Google. If not, you may find that not only can you use the maps for free, but you can CONTRIBUTE to their development. I trust that with your assistance, the Caribbean will be well mapped in no time.

TomTom's Official Response regarding TD2

I have a response from TomTom's technical support regarding the Touch Diamond 2.
"I have spoken to our 2nd line technical team about any solutions to your query. Unfortunately, they have stated that regardless of what version you are using, HOME will still give the same message as your device is not supported. I apologize for any inconvenience.
With Kind Regards
The TomTom Customer Care Team"
This was in response to my query regarding transferring my services (Traffic etc) over from my old Touch Pro to the Touch Diamond 2.
What this effectively means is that if you run TomTom Navigator on your TD2, you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE ANY TOMTOM SERVICES, as you cannot move these services over to your new phone. TomTom Home will just give you an error.
If you are used to their Traffic service, you will have to just live without it for the time being.
I will ask them what their timescale is for supporting HTC's current flagship phone, but I expect they'll just say they have no plans.

My response to TomTom:
"Windows Mobile is one of the top selling phone operating systems. HTC are the world's biggest manufacturer of Windows Mobile phones. The "Topaz", or Touch Diamond 2, is currently HTC's flagship phone.
Can you please confirm that you will not, and have no intention of, supporting the flagship phone of the biggest manufacturer of one of the top selling phone operating systems in the world?
Can you also confirm that you are no longer interested in collecting my subscription fees for any TomTom services, as they cannot be used on the Topaz?
Finally, can you please recommend an alternative SatNav software vendor who does support the Topaz, as it'll save myself and all the other Topaz users a bit of time moving away from TomTom and onto a better-supported product?
Perhaps CoPilot, Navigon, Igo, or Garmin? They seem like a helpful bunch :O)"

Hey Jim,
With you all the way on this one (as a long time HTC and Tomtom user), and if you dared to use that level of sarcasm with them, it would be nothing less than they deserved! Go you!

Jim Coleman said:
My response to TomTom:
"Windows Mobile is one of the top selling phone operating systems. HTC are the world's biggest manufacturer of Windows Mobile phones. The "Topaz", or Touch Diamond 2, is currently HTC's flagship phone.
Can you please confirm that you will not, and have no intention of, supporting the flagship phone of the biggest manufacturer of one of the top selling phone operating systems in the world?
Can you also confirm that you are no longer interested in collecting my subscription fees for any TomTom services, as they cannot be used on the Topaz?
Finally, can you please recommend an alternative SatNav software vendor who does support the Topaz, as it'll save myself and all the other Topaz users a bit of time moving away from TomTom and onto a better-supported product?
Perhaps CoPilot, Navigon, Igo, or Garmin? They seem like a helpful bunch :O)"
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You actually sent that? Were you expecting your tantrum to get results? I think you should read "How to win friends and influence people".

andyturner said:
You actually sent that? Were you expecting your tantrum to get results? I think you should read "How to win friends and influence people".
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Does ANYONE expect results from TomTom support?
Far from it. After being left in the lurch by TomTom's woeful support, I simply vented my spleen in response. Of course I don't expect a response. Ever. To anything. After effectively chucking £20-odd down the toilet for a year's subscription to Traffic which I now can't use, I think a little sarcasm blown across their bows is small recompense.
I'm sure you have far more self-restraint than me though, so you're welcome to see if you can get any kind of response out of them.

TomTom customer service has been nothing but terrible every time I have used it. You have to really fight to get anywhere. Shame as the product is good....
R

TT sucks... use iGO (800x480) support. Beautiful !

TomTom is a joke .
If you change device you have to relicense etc . Co-pilot you can move over very simply . I suggest a move to a better supplier , like Copilot etc.
At least your investment is safer when you upgrade your device etc. No 3D graphics blah blah blah .

For Tzeunis
Hello,
For Tzeunis can you give me your Sys.txt and your data.zip branding.zip for IGO 8.
thanks in advance.
@+++

Tzeunis said:
TT sucks... use iGO (800x480) support. Beautiful !
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Seconded - iGo8 is a far superiour product tomtom. I stopped using tomtom ages back when I saw what the competition offered!

dangel said:
Seconded - iGo8 is a far superiour product tomtom. I stopped using tomtom ages back when I saw what the competition offered!
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Yes, this traffic **** did it: I also stepped over to igo8. So much better than TomTom. I even managed to get TMC work with my headset and beemerTPPC's software.

my TT can not connect to gps sat
every thing works exept connecting
all the mony i have spend on getting al the maps i needed, it was all for nothing.
i realy hate TT now... and i never buy any produckt from them again
il go try igo 8
capsonus lijders bey bey Tom Tom...

I know this is not the thread to ask, But with iGo8, is there ANY possibility that I can strip down the maps? as I only need 1 country, not whole Europe.
Thanks.

jeutie said:
I know this is not the thread to ask, But with iGo8, is there ANY possibility that I can strip down the maps? as I only need 1 country, not whole Europe.
Thanks.
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Off course, just put the country in you want and remove all others.

pietrucci said:
Off course, just put the country in you want and remove all others.
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Oh great! thanks for the reply!!

Watch out: There is a file basemap.fbl in the maps-folder. This is required for iGo to work, together with the country-maps you need. But you can safely omit spain.fbl, germany.fbl etc. if you don't travel to these countries.
Have fun!

is it possible to copy iGo to a bigger SD or do you have to use the 2/4 Gig card (and copy you stuff if you just want to use one sd card)
does screen rotate work out of the box?

dnmo said:
is it possible to copy iGo to a bigger SD or do you have to use the 2/4 Gig card (and copy you stuff if you just want to use one sd card)
does screen rotate work out of the box?
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I use a 8 Gb card

Spotify is now releast Official

Spotify is now releast Official
http://www.spotify.com/en/mobile/overview/install-for-android/

And it works really good!!!! =)

fantastic news, but did you really have to post it in multiple forums?
can someone close the one in the hero android development forum??

oh, and the one on the hero forum.....seems someone had a spamming moment!

I dont find the Spotify app from the market with the search. Is it area-related?

Only available in Sweden at the moment, it seems. If you read the triple post on the Hero-forum, I put up a link to the apk-file.

Kiitos! (Works great, tho offline sync seams to be bit slow atm.)

jayjay said:
Only available in Sweden at the moment, it seems. If you read the triple post on the Hero-forum, I put up a link to the apk-file.
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Also available in Norway....

offline sync is nowhere near as fast as the video demo for the iphone appears to be.
but then again, to sync 150 songs, you are effectively downloading them all, so can't really complain its not instant!

Also i'm in the UK on a t-mo G2...
and found it late last night when was browsing through apps on the market..

Spotify DOWN YO!

Can someone explain how its justified to charge £10 a month for this service? Is it really that good?

Allows you to sync your music to listen to it offline.
Yes, IMHO, that's worth a tenner a month.
Regards,
Dave

Is there any kind of trial available?
I'd like to see the full functionality before paying for a subscription.

Well, you can try the Spotify service directly on a Windows PC, but you won't be able to test out the Android client without a premium subscription.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Well, you can try the Spotify service directly on a Windows PC, but you won't be able to test out the Android client without a premium subscription.
Regards,
Dave
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I've being using it on my pc since the trial, but I wanted to see if reception was good enough for me to use this on my commute. I'm not quite sure what the offline listening people have mentioned is. Hence a few days trial would be enough for me to decide one way or another.

Offline listening means you can sync your playlists to your device, so you can listen to them without having to stream them from the net.
Your best bet is to buy a subscription, and cancel it if you are unhappy with the service.
Regards,
Dave

£10 a month
Sorry to sound a bit cynical but whats up wi just plugging ya phone to pc and copy and paste

Copy and paste what? The desktop version of Spotify doesn't allow for offline play, so you've nothing downloaded to the PC.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Offline listening means you can sync your playlists to your device, so you can listen to them without having to stream them from the net.
Your best bet is to buy a subscription, and cancel it if you are unhappy with the service.
Regards,
Dave
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I'm sure I'll sign up to this when I know I can afford it.
How long does syncing take? Would a playlist of 100 songs take hours?

The 'How to teach Google Now' Thread

Okay guys, finally got my N7 yesterday now and am eagerly awaiting google now to start learning my traits.
Feel free to share how google now has picked up your traits - be specific.

Mine thinks work is somewhere at the sea
Sent from my GT-I9100 running CM10

First tip is to set your home/work locations using Latitude.
Next you can ask about when your favourite team/s are playing next, or what the score for their match was etc, that will hopefully teach it the team/s that you support.
Set up calendar items/appointments and it will notify you about them.

If you use Chrome on your desktop and stay logged in to Google, Now will learn from whatever you search. I searched for an address on my laptop the other day and within seconds got an alert on the phone telling me long it would take to get there.

ToL9a said:
First tip is to set your home/work locations using Latitude.
Next you can ask about when your favourite team/s are playing next, or what the score for their match was etc, that will hopefully teach it the team/s that you support.
Set up calendar items/appointments and it will notify you about them.
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The only thing is I'm Australian, and at the moment Australian sports aren't covered. Do you think this will be added in future?

On my laptop I was looking up "cocaine bricks" and then found directions to "the brick"', a furniture store, in my notifications
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noobletsausecakebbq said:
On my laptop I was looking up "cocaine bricks" and then found directions to "the brick"', a furniture store, in my notifications
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
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Damn! I want to party with you!
Lol, jk

wmoore said:
If you use Chrome on your desktop and stay logged in to Google, Now will learn from whatever you search. I searched for an address on my laptop the other day and within seconds got an alert on the phone telling me long it would take to get there.
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That's interesting, I have tried searching things like pizza places etc on my desktop and it hasn't come through on my nexus 7.
Could this be because I'm Australian and it isn't supported?
(Yes My accounts are synced)

Riimez said:
That's interesting, I have tried searching things like pizza places etc on my desktop and it hasn't come through on my nexus 7.
Could this be because I'm Australian and it isn't supported?
(Yes My accounts are synced)
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I'm in Brisbane Are you logged into Chrome with the same account?
Actually I've just tried searching for my nearest Dominos, looked up the location on Maps, then opened Now and it is proving me wrong. Odd.

Does anyone know if you can teach it to take a particular route to work?
It shows me the traffic on a route I don't use because it would cost me about $15 in tolls to save me about 5 minutes of time.
I have tried to go to navigate, then select my preferred route, but Google Now still uses the other one by default.
Riimez said:
The only thing is I'm Australian, and at the moment Australian sports aren't covered. Do you think this will be added in future?
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Having issues getting it to pick up NRL/AFL as well, but it has a few of my European football teams in there.

ToL9a said:
Does anyone know if you can teach it to take a particular route to work?
It shows me the traffic on a route I don't use because it would cost me about $15 in tolls to save me about 5 minutes of time.
I have tried to go to navigate, then select my preferred route, but Google Now still uses the other one by default.
Having issues getting it to pick up NRL/AFL as well, but it has a few of my European football teams in there.
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It might work of you check to avoid tolls in the maps app
Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2

If you want to see something hillarious with Google Now, do the following:
1) Turn ON Safe Search/Profanity Blocker in Google Now settings.
2) Say "****"

It doesn't seem to like when I ask for football teams in Europe.

It also learns from Google maps.. it will display your most visited places from time to time and tell you the traffic etc
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Getting Google Now to work:
http://androidforums.com/nexus-7/588248-all-those-disappointed-google-now.html
see this link for more tips:
http://exzacklyright.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/google-now-tips-and-tricks.html

phonic said:
If you want to see something hillarious with Google Now, do the following:
1) Turn ON Safe Search/Profanity Blocker in Google Now settings.
2) Say "****"
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Awesome... I say "****" and it gives me a stock quote for Sprint.
I guess they somehow... know!

noobletsausecakebbq said:
On my laptop I was looking up "cocaine bricks" and then found directions to "the brick"', a furniture store, in my notifications
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app
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Haha that's a good one
Sent from my Nexus 7

lbbooga said:
It might work of you check to avoid tolls in the maps app
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Can it avoid internet trolls too? That would be an awesome feature.
By the way no I'm not calling you a troll.

ToL9a said:
Does anyone know if you can teach it to take a particular route to work?
It shows me the traffic on a route I don't use because it would cost me about $15 in tolls to save me about 5 minutes of time.
I have tried to go to navigate, then select my preferred route, but Google Now still uses the other one by default.
Having issues getting it to pick up NRL/AFL as well, but it has a few of my European football teams in there.
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The first time it showed me the time to work, it was using toll roads. When I headed to work going the other way, I kept Now open and refreshed it a couple of times during the journey. Now it always shows me that route.
What I think would be good is if you could program a primary and secondary route. Tonight, for example, it was telling me 53 mins to get home because I drive past a football stadium where Monday night footy is on tonight. It would be nice if it said "this way is busy, take the other way instead".
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phonic said:
If you want to see something hillarious with Google Now, do the following:
1) Turn ON Safe Search/Profanity Blocker in Google Now settings.
2) Say "****"
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Very good.
tevinwade said:
It doesn't seem to like when I ask for football teams in Europe.
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Apparently this is because the season isn't on there. This has some truth in it because I searched for Arizona Cardinals and got nothing in Now but then I searched for Red Sox and now apparently they are my team Though I've tried it with Aussie teams and it doesn't work either, even though we are approaching the pointy end of the season. My guess is that it only understands US sports at the moment. Hopefully that will change soon.

You need to ensure that web history is turned on in your google account (not on by default) for searches to show on your phone.
Follow the android forums link a few posts up for a guide.

[Q] Free Maps App w/ Driving Mode, POI and Traffic?

Does anybody know of a free Maps app that has a driving mode and shows traffic & POI while you drive? Similar to Google Maps 6.

Have you tried Nokia maps, they have downloadable maps which is nice for offline navigation

chapelfreak said:
Have you tried Nokia maps, they have downloadable maps which is nice for offline navigation
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Are you talking about HERE Maps (which Nokia owns)? Yes, I actually tried that yesterday, but it doesn't show POIs. Or if it does, I couldn't find out where to enable it.
I love the new driving mode in Google Maps, but I want to see multiple categories of POIs as I drive, not just the ones I search for. For example, I want to see all gas stations and restaurants at the same time, not just one or the other.

MrBrady said:
Are you talking about HERE Maps (which Nokia owns)? Yes, I actually tried that yesterday, but it doesn't show POIs. Or if it does, I couldn't find out where to enable it.
I love the new driving mode in Google Maps, but I want to see multiple categories of POIs as I drive, not just the ones I search for. For example, I want to see all gas stations and restaurants at the same time, not just one or the other.
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Yes..ah ok, my only experience with that kind of feature was the co-pilot paid app, but I haven't even used that since I discovered here maps. I frequently don't have cell service while driving from place to place in rural CA for work.

Just FYI
"Here" is not owned by Nokia anymore. It's owned by a consortium of Audi, Bmw and Mercedes.

Droidphilev said:
Just FYI
"Here" is not owned by Nokia anymore. It's owned by a consortium of Audi, Bmw and Mercedes.
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Holy cow, 3 billion dollars was the price they sold it for!

chapelfreak said:
Holy cow, 3 billion dollars was the price they sold it for!
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Well... since there are still some Microsoft guys "leading" Nokia that money will be gone to bad decisions in no time!