it seems that the website DroidHive.com is down.
very shocking! planned to see the update of CM9 on Droid Bionic, but couldn't log on for days.
anyone knows?
theyve changed locations again and seem to be having troubles keeping thier sites up .... ( learning not to anger hackers it seems)
http://rombot.org/forums/
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okay, thx a lot
People are saying the owner put the domain (DroidHive.com) up for sale and skipped off with all the donations so I would think twice about donating, would also be concerned if you use the same login and password on anything else.
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People are saying the owner put the domain up for sale and skipped off with all the donations so I would think twice about donating, would also be concerned if you use the same login and password on anything else.
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This is not accurate. Please refrain from spreading rumors.
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DroidTh3ory changed his twitter handle to @KillDroidHack
DroidHive is no longer DroidHive, the main contributors have set up at least 2 new sites, one of which is Rombot.org (krackflashers.org)
Donations are donations; if you appreciate the work that someone has put into a ROM, or an app, or a website, then donate. Donations are not a service agreement. If you like a site, and then donate, but the site operator decides he can lo longer support the site, this is not 'skipping off with the donations'. The developers on DroidHive, and many other android developer sites have jobs, families, and other obligations that sometimes cause their hobby of developing for Android to take a backseat.
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This is not accurate. Please refrain from spreading rumors.
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At least what I posted is what has been said by some of the staff on Twitter and in the chat part of the Hive, if it's inaccurate maybe you can tell us why:
1. It has been operating under http://krackflashers.com,
2. The domain is up for sale @ godaddy.com?
3. The forums are offline?
4. The DNS as well as displayed sight names have been changing daily?
5. DroidTh3ory was the site owner, is that correct? what happened to his twitter account and why has he all of a sudden gone missing from everything?
You'll admit any website displaying the above listed facts should be approached with caution.
So what's the scoop then???? If your saying it's not accurate please inform us, the Android community (especially those who have contributed money) have a right to know don't we?
KDH did not just vanish and I highly doubt donations have been stolen. Unreal.
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KDH did not just vanish and I highly doubt donations have been stolen. Unreal.
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Cool, then what's the real story with DroidHive?
under new name and look, but droidhive community is bulletproof. we take care of one another and frankly *i dont even care* what my donation was used for. it was given as a sign of gratitude.
Why do people insist on spreading crap about which they know nothing about? If you MUST know what really happened, he went on vacation with his family and all this crap happened while he was gone. And people just made up rumors based on what they assumed happened. He was very pissed when he got back as he should have been. Believe what you want but stop spreading rumors and conjecture as fact. Honestly, I never understood why people get into this kind of nonsense...
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Why do people insist on spreading crap about which they know nothing about? If you MUST know what really happened, he went on vacation with his family and all this crap happened while he was gone. And people just made up rumors based on what they assumed happened. He was very pissed when he got back as he should have been. Believe what you want but stop spreading rumors and conjecture as fact. Honestly, I never understood why people get into this kind of nonsense...
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Agreed...these people spreading rumors are idiots. What does it matter what he does with the donations anyways? People donate to him because he spends his time making amazing ROMs for people, and he has made countless amount of ROM's for us people who have no clue what we are doing. So we donate to him in appreciation for what he has done for us. So he can do whatever he wants with that money. It would be different if we donated to him in anticipation for something and then he bounced, however that is not the case.
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Agreed...these people spreading rumors are idiots. What does it matter what he does with the donations anyways? People donate to him because he spends his time making amazing ROMs for people, and he has made countless amount of ROM's for us people who have no clue what we are doing. So we donate to him in appreciation for what he has done for us. So he can do whatever he wants with that money. It would be different if we donated to him in anticipation for something and then he bounced, however that is not the case.
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Exactly. I donated cause he provides a useful site, does amazing work for the community, and puts up with stupid people. He could go blow that money on beer and hookers for all I care. LOL.
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Exactly. I donated cause he provides a useful site, does amazing work for the community, and puts up with stupid people. He could go blow that money on beer and hookers for all I care. LOL.
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Give me money, and I GUARANTEE that I will spend it on beer and hookers. Transparency rules.
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Give me money, and I GUARANTEE that I will spend it on beer and hookers. Transparency rules.
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Roflmao!
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Right from the site: http://droidhive.us.to/forums/index.php
MEMBERS, WITH THE LAST HACK DROIDHIVE SUFFERRED THE DONATION MONEY DISAPPEARED AS WELL... WE HAVE $200 NOW AND NEED ANOTHER $400 TO KEEP THE SITE OPEN FOR ANOTHER MONTH. IF NOT THE SITE WILL SHUT DOWN MONDAY MORNING.. IF U CARE TO OR ARE ABLE TO HELP PLEASE CLICK THE DONATE TAB TO THE LEFT IF YOUR ON THE CONCISE THEME, AND HELP WITH WHAT YOU CAN EVERY DOLLAR IS APPRECIATED THANKS FOR ALL YALL HAVE DONE IN THE PAST YOU GUYS REALLY ARE THE BEST!!!
So it looks like no money was stolen, it just disappeared cause of wherever it was that hacked the site and now they need another $400 to stay open? How do we know the money won't "Disappear" again?
I make donations for ROM's and feel people need to support those who develop for our devices. However I wouldn't put to much trust in Droid Hive right now.
Then don't donate. Who's holding a gun to your head to do so?
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Then don't donate. Who's holding a gun to your head to do so?
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The OP asked about the web site and I answered the question with what I have heard in the last few weeks. I'm not saying anyone shouldn't donate (just I wouldn't @ this time) or the site owner shouldn't do whatever with the money, Just that everyone should look at whats going on and make a informed decision based on what they feel is happening.
And Sorry, I didn't mean to quote you in post #17
I support and wish the best for everyone involved with the hive, and will continue to support it with donations if it's still around in a month or so.
It appears that rombot.org is now gone as well.
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[size=+2] Phone purchased from leoiden[/size]
We all know how much P1tater has helped and contributed to this community. I thought it might be a good thing if we all chipped and showed him some support after all the help and support he has provided. He unfortunately had an accident and his phone ended up destroyed. How about we all chip in a little and get him a refurbished phone? What do you guys think???
I will be accepting the money on P1tater's behalf. Whatever you guys can chip in would be greatly appreciated.
$320 US Dollars donated as of May 5th, 2008 9:00pm PST.
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I am in for $ 50 he has helped me out many times.
-McMex
Just donated 5.00, he has helped me and i d/l from him all the time, thats all i can afford right now.
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We all know how much P1tater has helped and contributed to this community. I thought it might be a good thing if we all chipped and showed him some support after all the help and supported he has provided. He unfortunately had an accident and his phone ended up destroyed. How about we all chip in a little and get him a refurbished phone? What do you guys think???
I will be accepting the money on P1tater's behalf. Whatever you guys can chip in would be greatly appreciated.
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I dont trust my money in your hand !
kidding , I am actually working out some hot deal for a brand new tilt . If it went through, he will get a tilt for deep discount. If not , my money in your bank.
i know its not much but i just donated $20. he's never personally helped me, but i certainly do appreciate what he does for this community
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oh wait, i have downloaded from his 4shared folder......so there you go, thanks for that tater
Nice work guy's we are already up to $75
Can you outline what he has done for the community? I am up for donating by all means.
However, I don't believe I've ever used any of his ROM's, and I don't know what other contributions he's done. Has he made tools for use to developers and such?
Sell me with the points and things he's been credited for and I'll definitely donate. Just curious for what he's known for here. ;-)
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Can you outline what he has done for the community? I am up for donating by all means.
However, I don't believe I've ever used any of his ROM's, and I don't know what other contributions he's done. Has he made tools for use to developers and such?
Sell me with the points and things he's been credited for and I'll definitely donate. Just curious for what he's known for here. ;-)
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P1 has done a lot for this forum including support a lot of people that needed help. Aside from that I am sure he has helped many cooks testing their work before they published it to this forum. He has done beta testing for ROMS that you might have used in the past or might be running now. I see him as one fo the key people that keeps information moving in this forum. Those are just my two cents.
-McMex
Here are my 10$!
Pleased to help the forum.
Still no need of specific help, but doing my homework - who knows for tomorrow???
Indeed, an oiled phone lets you always make very fluid calls.....
$25 sent just a minute ago. Don't ask about the email address... it's left over from my days of running a Video Game Emulation site...
hi,
Ok, donation made, you can add another 15$
This way he can buy a brand new castrol... ops, i mean another kaiser...
glad to helt such a great member of this community.
cheers
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Can you outline what he has done for the community? I am up for donating by all means.
However, I don't believe I've ever used any of his ROM's, and I don't know what other contributions he's done. Has he made tools for use to developers and such?
Sell me with the points and things he's been credited for and I'll definitely donate. Just curious for what he's known for here. ;-)
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ohhh myyyy gooood, you have got to be kidding me, the man dropped his phone in oil, if you want to donate then do so, if not don't, p1tater has a BIG reputation, the fact that he has a FTP site for everyone to use was well worth the donation i made. you can find all kinds of cool FREE software to download for FREE. If thats not justification for a donation i don't know what is. Also if you had dropped your phone in oil and helped a bunch of people on here wouldn't you hope that others would donate. Just for the fact of being able get him a new device so he can help beta test to make the programs you download work properly. you should be ashamed of even righting what you did.
For Tater I'll throw in $40.
Tater is the bomb.
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Can you outline what he has done for the community? I am up for donating by all means.
However, I don't believe I've ever used any of his ROM's, and I don't know what other contributions he's done. Has he made tools for use to developers and such?
Sell me with the points and things he's been credited for and I'll definitely donate. Just curious for what he's known for here. ;-)
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Nobody need to sell you the idea because this is a DONATION.
Engrish is my 2nd language but I do understand the meaning and spirit of the word. If you dont , please look up in the dictionary.
Extra money in the pot is good , but there is no one come after your ass for this donation. If you care, thanks for your support. If you dont, mind your own business mate.
Can you sell me your idea of writing your post ? maybe penis envy or small man complex. You aint losing no money so drink your anger management pill and relax. Or just spend that extra money on some grass and call it a day.
important factor: P1tater himself did not ask for any donation. We doing it not for benefit nor fame , not even to prove that my pocket is deeper than yours. We do it cuz he is our fellas in the XDA care bear club.
Beside working on a new cheap Tilt, I guess $20 would help a bit. Its few weeks until my next pay check , but hey, p1tater may slit his wrist with his V3 by then .
He has not directly help me anything ,but I looted his cab here and there . and we all should not ignore the fact that his ****ty attitude keeps stupid post away !!!
ATW !! you should start doing some smart to keep the pot update man
p/s , ****, my paypal is screwed upon me . will send it as long as I get home to jump on my gf account lol
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ATW !! you should start doing some smart to keep the pot update man
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Will do I will add it to the first post
$165 US Dollars so far
i know its not much but
here is another 5 from me Alltheway. I know its not much but hopefully it helps; if i could i would definitly do more. P1tater does alot on this forum trying to help everyone out and it would be great if i can help him out by my donation.
p.s. we just need to make sure he does not end up dropping this one while working on his hot rod again ...
I'm kickin' in $5 just for all the times I've shot Red Bull out of my nose from reading his flames.
Sorry I can't give more, but they upped the rate on my truck insurance because I manage a business that does delivery in OTHER LOCATIONS!!!
Thank you so much to all who have donated so far
This is truly a great community indeed.
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Thank you so much to all who have donated so far
This is truly a great community indeed.
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no problem we take so much from this community and its users/developers/members/mods/cooks. Its only fair that we pitch in to help out.
peace,
sire
Count me in for $10.00
Jeff
I have bail money
I am not trying to start anything, I just want to know. He is the OP of a pretty significant theme aggregate thread I would like to know when we can expect him back to continue to update the catalog or if we are going to need to do it all over again.
I hope it is the former. I'm pleeding for his life, judge! Don't take my boy!
lol Why did he get banned?
Here comes the drama..
And OP, I'm not sure.
threadrape, though i believe its a political smear campaign. he knows NO means NO but some have convincing false evidence. if the sig don't fit you must acquit.
Hopefully not for too long. Even if you don't agree with how he's handled the whole fixxxer situation, he's funny and contributes a lot.
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what?!! Horrible news! WE LOVE YOU NEB!! The mods have been going gnarly lately. I'm not liking it. I kinda like our free-for-all method that we had before they organized our subforum. The grass is always greener....
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The mods have been going gnarly lately.
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Which why I would recommend taking it easy and make sure threads like this don't get out of control.
I think they let the power go to their heads....................
Yes, the miss have totally letter power get to their heads and they can't categorize worth a **** either so yeah... that's why I have decided to stop contributing ideas that everyone can take credit for and leave me in the dust. I'll still post, but bot with innovative ideas.
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I am not trying to start drama, not trying to criticize decisions. Just respectfully asking for one piece of information. Not that I am entitled. Just askin'
(did I cover all of my bases)
OH and I am not responsible if your phone is bricked.
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I am not trying to start drama, not trying to criticize decisions. Just respectfully asking for one piece of information. Not that I am entitled. Just askin'
(did I cover all of my bases)
OH and I am not responsible if your phone is bricked.
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My guess us 3 day. That's what tejas, kcarpenter and I were threatened with. And I followed the instructions you posted in the op about removing the battery and I think you caused my phone to be bricked. I deem you responsible
Edit got my phone working you had failed to provide instructions on reinserting the battery
my two cents on everything is simple.
before we got the first port of 2.1-dec 09, thanks to flipz. there was NO DRAMA. it was all development.
i know i joined in january but i watched everyone and everything. there were never any developers leaving because someone posted warez, or people pointing fingers at someone. or even someone degrading mods.
mods are mods for a reason. they use their power to keep pointless **** from starting up. this thread needs to close. XDA is for development/help of phones. not to degrade people. we are on the internet. we dont know eachother personally. which is how it needs to be.
so please keep these issues to a minimal. we finally get our own general and dev threads and its being shot to hell.
as for the op's questions. alot of the bans are a week to a month. there was obviously a reason. its no ones business except neb and the mods.
no offense to anyone. i just want issues to be DROPPED and lets continue to help and develop.
Its a real shame to see a great forum ruined by censorship. I belong to several dozen forums covering things from pc components, to video games, car forums to home improvement and on and on and never have I seen a forum so poorly handled. You let people openly admit to criminal activity and actually encourage it, while on the other hand, you ban people for standing up to them and calling them out. You play favorites by banning people you don't like and letting your "pals" do what they want. Worst of all, now you delete threads for no legitimate reason other than not liking it or not agreeing with it. This forum wasn't great before the "organization", but now its turning into something even worse. Maybe you guys are having a bad day, I don't know, but I hope you get your act together and go back to doing what your supposed to do, that is moderate, not police and censor.
Have a good night and thanks to the devs and their hard work................
its all good
Oh look, bans are worthless here too. Mods aren't even smart enough to find the forum plugin to block an ip address. This place is truly depressing, and I will take the time now to personally thank flips for ****ing the community that this place once was. All because he had a burr up his ass one day.
That's my five bucks worth. Screw two cents.
Also. How much you wanna bet that fixers new id doesn't get banned? Childish **** right there, make a new account after you lost your first one due to stupidity.
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And to re post what fixer wrote before he edited his post right above my previous one, he said his account got banned too so its all good, it was worth it in the end.
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EDIT: Nevermind, I don't think I want to know or be part of whatever this bs is....obviously i'm not up to speed and I think I would rather stay that way.
What Does flipz have to do with this?
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Oh look, bans are worthless here too. Mods aren't even smart enough to find the forum plugin to block an ip address. This place is truly depressing, and I will take the time now to personally thank flips for ****ing the community that this place once was. All because he had a burr up his ass one day.
That's my five bucks worth. Screw two cents.
Also. How much you wanna bet that fixers new id doesn't get banned? Childish **** right there, make a new account after you lost your first one due to stupidity.
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The baby mama drama didn't get so extreme till his actions a month or so ago when he leaked a file that was supposed to be held private at the time. Do some research.
What Does flipz have to do with this?
Oh look, bans are worthless here too. Mods aren't even smart enough to find the forum plugin to block an ip address. This place is truly depressing, a
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hahaha i like the "OO" instead of "00"
nice
Didn't realize he was the one who leaked it.....Thanks for the harsh reply to a honest question.
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The baby mama drama didn't get so extreme till his actions a month or so ago when he leaked a file that was supposed to be held private at the time. Do some research.
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All this superhero DONATEWARE OH MY GOD NO bull**** needs to stop. It is not, and never was, the intent of nathan or pulser to charge money for a rom. Superhero 1.0.0 was clearly marked a beta test, and under normal circumstances would have only been tested by the villain team. However, being nice dudes, they decided to let people who paid for their website and hosting try it out as well as an added bonus for their donation.
Let me remind you again that this entire time, superhero was clearly marked beta test and every indication was made that a less buggy and feature complete version would be released to the public on xda.
Of course, all you entitled sons of *****es cried that it was UNFAIR and that you wanted to be a part of the cool kids club, simply because your internet ego was so goddamn big that you thought you could get whatever you wanted from crying hard enough. Well, when you didn't get your way of course you just started crying more about how unfair it was, how terrible the villain team was, how they ate babies to fuel their rom-o-tron 9000, and how they lied publicly about superhero to get the dollars.
Well, things certainly look different now, dont they? Superhero 1.1.0 is public and free, just like you wanted, and you dont care because feeyo is your newest internet qq target. Shut the **** up, let our devs work, and take your bull**** crying out of the DEVELOPMENT forum so the devs can work without you filling their threads with nonsense.
Mods: please let this stay in development for a while so everyone can read it.
I just lol'd
I too lol'd. I lol'd in agreement.
lol you got some serious frustrations. And yes Feeyo has dropped here with the best rom out at the moment.
Go cry man. And please remove this thread or drop it in general or put it in the cry baby thread.
Wanker
I love you.
And this free publishing, why ?????
Is this not a forum ???
Can I say EVERYTHING that I want, with respect????
Stop teaching me how good and ONG is the villainteam, please, I have my own opinion, and don't need to hear your apocaliptic sermon.
Regards
PS. Please, delete this thread, noting important apporting to the forum
against gpl
its against gpl to take money for it ;p
Moving this thread to off-topic since it is not directly related to Android development. There is an expiring redirect in place so that people viewing the forum can find the thread in its new home.
Going forward, please keep language in check, or the thread will have to be closed and removed from public view. Remember, XDA is a family-friendly forum.
Thanks,
NATF
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I think OP's point was more, they're not taking money for it. They're doing a closed beta with their donators. If other people want to help out by donating and testing, there's no problem, surely.
I just can't grasp how incredibly tight you'd have to be to begrudge a guy a few quid when he dedicates that much time to development, "against the GPL" or otherwise
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All this superhero DONATEWARE OH MY GOD NO b****t needs to stop. It is not, and never was, the intent of nathan or pulser to charge money for a rom. Superhero 1.0.0 was clearly marked a beta test, and under normal circumstances would have only been tested by the villain team. However, being nice dudes, they decided to let people who paid for their website and hosting try it out as well as an added bonus for their donation.
Mods: please let this stay in development for a while so everyone can read it.
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Please watch you lenguage. Everybody is entitled to his or her opinion but with rescpect for this forum and its users
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^^
What they said
Seriously... No comment.
i'm ashamed to say i got it off usenet without donating, but i don't believe that's legally theft.
we should have a forum for inter-ROM team toe2toes.
I don't care about donateware, as long as I don't see it on the forum.
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i'm ashamed to say i got it off usenet without donating, but i don't believe that's legally theft.
we should have a forum for inter-ROM team toe2toes.
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No, it's not theft at all because Android (and derivatives) are licenced under the GNU GPL.
Doing a 'little bonus' for people that donated is nothing wrong IMHO, but apparently it can quickly look like something else.
so on that subject, I completely agree with the OP.
I don't agree with his tone and language, but I do agree on his statement .
What this has to do with Freeyo and his ROM is a mystery to me though. More and more I see why dev's go away from XDA... the most vocal people on the fourm are the users of the ROMs and the devs don't have a normal place to talk amongst each other besides moving to different forums or use something else... a shame.
the mentality of the Android (and (gsm) Hero specially) section is sooo much different from the WinMo section I for example don't want to try cooking for Android... there is little to no community feel on XDA on the Android sections.
Anyone that decide to post their works on xda have to know what is the purposing of the forum...
If anyone don't agree with this way of work, then can choose any of the million of forums in the web.....
I think is very simply...
Regards....
EDIT: And don't forget that a lot of dev's that today have their own forum, had started their job here, and used the forum for their purposing.....
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its against gpl to take money for it ;p
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nope, that is a common misconception that a lot of people have about the gpl. as a matter of fact there is nothing in the gpl that restricts people from selling it, the only requirement of the gpl is that the source code has to be released and thats it. there are tons of commercial software out there that contains gpl code.
and for those of you who wants proof here is a link to the official gpl faq:
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney
lol... so ppl who actually pay money are the ones to get the buggiest version of your software? Nice policy I'm sure you'd have tons of happy customers I wouldn't have cared the tiniest bit about superhero being donate rom (since there are plenty of fast vanilla roms out there), had it not been a thread in the development section for more than a week?! I mean... I'm ok with ppl selling stuff, I'm not okay with selling it on xda...
Android is open. That's why I have my Samsung Galaxy S, my Nexus One and my Sapphire.
I have these phones because the open community can do better than the professionals, and I am proud to be a member of a community that has recently hacked Froyo onto the G1, Android2HD2 (and other Winmo devices), created great skins and themes, rooted almost every droid to date, hacked google navigation to work in other countries etc etc etc.
There is amazing work being done is this community.
Kingklick was able to put out a lot of ROMs which satisfied a lot of people. Contributors to Cyanogenmod (disclaimer. notably not Cyanogen himself) and others (fans and friends - disclaimer. note lack of word fanboys - of cyanogenmod, disclaimer. plus some others too) have flamed and flamed away about Kangklick (notably via twitter - I have stopped following any of those jerks that clogged up my feeds with what could've - screw that - should've been settled MUCH more privately..I followed you guys for dev news or the occasional interesting insight into your real life, not your petty bickering, but you have every right to post what you like...hence why I stopped following you all, I didn't flame you...note 'bigger man').
Rule 12 of XDArules clearly states that using the work of others must be done with permission, independent of whether it is open source or not. If this is not upheld then the post will be bought down, it does not say the user will be banned. I would understand the formality of taking the post down and requesting Kingklick reposts the ROM with due credit, but I believe - note believe...implies opinion - that moderators may have been influenced by pressure from other (high ranking, public eye) members and thus did not adhere to normal or just (I do not know if not giving creds is normally treated in this way, but you will discover I believe it shouldn't be) protacol. Kingklick broke the rules of XDA, but then again I see his banning as the least contentious issue here.
I believe that members of the XDA community in the public eye (ie with large Twitter follower base) due to their work via XDA (no matter what you say, cyanogenmod may be based at its own domain, but it still posts at XDA to maintain its public profile and feed of the massive XDA userbase, and is hence in part bound by this) have a responsibility to follow the rules of XDA on XDA rules and disputes. I do not think this is something which can be policed ('I'm banning you Wes for Trolling Kingklick...on Twitter'... not gonna work) but I think it is a moral obligation (anyone that thinks the internet is not bound by morality should take a reality check...the reason why we have open source is essentially ethics).
Do we give credit to Linus Torvalds every time we distribute linux kernels or work to do with linux? Do we give credit to those that helped him create this base? Do we give credit to Google for creating Android? HTC? Our carriers? Martin Cooper for inventing the mobile phone and cell networks? Time Berners-Lee for inventing the internet, giving rise to this forum, Google and thus the Phones/Devices we love and use? The fact is we don't give credit where due (although you may say its obscure to thank these people, they DO deserve our thanks). None of the ROM chefs/coders give all credit where due, but a lot do in part, with those directly involved. But who still thanks the original rooters?
Kingklick has been declared a copier by the jury...I haven't delved through the evidence to confirm this...but shouldn't we be much more relaxed about copying in general? All users should be open about their work with Android, but they are not. If kingklick based a build off Cyanongenmod, and gave due credit for that, he would be called unoriginal, despite his attempts to make improvements. I also believe that there should be transparency, a log of all complaints of interest and the community told in a statement from the mods why someone was banned...at least in part (keeping gory details to themselves thank you very much).
Donations are generally given by 'end-users'...noobs who can flash and maybe do some work on the builds but their contributions are limited. End users generally want user experience, and reward devs with commendation and donations. If kingklick does work on a build which satisfies more users and he hence gets donations, is that stealing donations? No. The original dev works on an open source project knowing that their work is open, but the end user can reward as he/she likes. Perhaps kingklick developed his following due to his branding...he did always use words like FAST and STABLE and SMOOTH, but Apple do the same and they're not banned from trading despite the hyperbole.
I do not doubt that a lot of devs thanks fellow devs with donations. Cyanogen is well known for donating, as is kingklick, however a lot of donations come from end users, and if kingklick replaces a few files using winrar (something which I generally contest, I believe kingklick does a lot of great work) and that satisfies more end users by being fast and stable and smooth (or perceived as being so thanks to branding) then he can get donations for that, they are a gesture of satisfaction and goodwill.
Kingklick was immoral by not giving true credit, however I believe that he could have been warned and asked to give credit once he got back from his night out (whether that excuse, or what ever his actual excuse was, was true).
I also laugh at the accusation that kingklick does not fill a niche within the 'open'/'free' community. This should not result in grudges and flame wars, whether it is true or not. Kingklick did fill a niche in my opinion: reviewers (and consumers) see vanilla android as being sterile. Hell it is sterile, and it's never going to be as successful as others if it doesn't sort this out. Cyanogenmod and other big names are based off this sterile form of Android, but they don't delve into Sense UI and other alternative skins, mainly due to preferences or copyright problems etc, not that that stops them with other things. Kingklick did work with these and he filled his niche by delivering great, fast, usable roms of these whilst others sneered at them for being inefficient coding or whatever...geeky snobbery.
Kingklick also delivered various fixes and things which other groups did not. I won't list all of these and I am sure representatives of Cyanogenmob et al will say 'we were gonna fix these issues anyways' or 'that's redundant' or 'that was patchy code', but kingklick has contributed. Obviously we have to hold ethics above output, we can not say that 'his holiness' (inteneded to mock those who believe cyanogen alone is a god, not cyanogen himself) Cyanogen's contributions to android exempt him from following conduct, but we do a great job of driving away good developers with flaming and telling tales. Perhaps you'll say kingklick was not a good developer, Drizzy, even Haykuro etc etc, but I only flashed Cyanogenmod on my Nexus once and I didn't like it for various reasons (personal preference yada yada) but I kept going back for more kingklick...whether that's perceived speed and branding etc or just satisfaction.
King's desire roms are great, but we never mobbed, trolled and banned the poor guy for not giving creds to HTC. Surely the morality of our community using software like Rosie on the Nexus is more ethically questionable than a fellow member of XDA's work, since HTC is a firm which employs people. I bought a Nexus over the Desire because I knew I could still have Sense and a bigger dev community, however the cost included in the Desire which goes to the developers of Sense is hence forgone (perhaps indeirectly, I don;t know HTC internal funding); therefore I have - and anyone who has ever flashed a Sense ROM or devved with Sense - indirectly caused loss of welfare for people who rely of developing as their source of income, tehir families, communities and economies. Surely that is less ethical than not saying thank you, but XDA has no problem with that. Perhaps it is too small to notice, but it will have an indirect impact nonetheless.
Yes kingklick should've said his please and thank you, but I think it's community hyped double standards, pretensical courtesy (not that I wouldn't give creds, it's just that pleases and thank yous are nice, but not actually useful). A wise man once said 'there is no threshold for immorality', just because kingklick did a larger 'crime' than the rest of the community in not giving his thanks out, that does not exempt the other rule breakers (ie everyone), it just means their punishment should be less severe...we choose to ignore it because it's less direct or forgotten about.
In conclusion, I think we should start a 'contributors to Android' part of XDA, added to by mods or specifically appointed members of the community (like the portal). This could be informative and could mean that forgotten about contributors could not be forgotten, but their contributions immortalised in the open community of Android. Even if the contributions become redundant, they are the foundations for the next chapter in the Android story.
Finally. www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html is a very good read..and think about what AOSP stands for (I'll give you a clue...Android Open Source Project!). Can you steal what is open? What right have others to dictate what can and cannot be distributed in the open aspects of Android code (ie the underlying OS and vanilla UI...I'm not confused with Apps). Perhaps kingklick was guilty of plagiarism? But so is anyone that claims they worked really hard in that kernel without crediting Linus and leaving a donation link to his family or favourite charitable causes. Anyone that says I've reworked the UI without giving credits to The Astonishing Tribe for the original Android concepts which all UIs are based off...
Android is closed, that's why I question this 'community'.
I am not proud to be a member of this 'community'...right now.
Ps. Cyanogenmob was originally a typo (using words like mobbed in my piece...Freudian slip on the keyboard rather than fat finger syndrome)...but I kept it in as I thought it was funny...the Cyogenmob should replace team douche IMHO!
Wow, didn't realise how long it was...out of interest has anyone actually read the whole thing !?
Yeah, I read it and agree to some extent.
While what he did was wrong, he shouldn't be banned for it. I do not know all the circumstances around it but from what I read it appears he made sense UI for the Nexus one?
I believe that cyanogen is becoming more and more powerful as a body and it is starting to strong arm others when they believe they are in the wrong. I don't understand why people should shunned as he was simply because he didn't give due credit. From seeing all these devs get the boot from websites because they didn't give all the sources for their work. This is a major hinderance from some people wanting to develop new ROMs. I mean it seems that some people want to get credit for what they did and want to have the fame of what they developed, and not just because they wanted to further the development of phones and custom ROMS.
Some people may not agree with my stance, but I just think you give people another chance for slip ups like that one and not just a boot with no questions asked.
The problem is NOT just using other people work with/without permission...
The problem is cheating the users to get more donations:
Example:
-DevA: Oh, i've been 3 nights compiling the code for you all!!!!
-Users: Ohhh, thankyou, gonna donate for your hard work!!!
-DevA: Ok, here you have the link (and the download is from DevB work with a little text-editor touch-up).
That's not the way of doing things (imho)
sorry but no. the proper way is
devA: "i took all of jubeh's work and 'optimized a text file' and uploaded it, pretty awesome right?"
you: "cool story bro"
devA: "i need a new phone"
you: "im poor but wth if you keep not making your own work and ask for donations"
devA: "ya rly"
you: "maybe i should've donated to the guy that made this all and not the one that file pushed the wifi files over... =("
wow lets have some proof of this please and i quote "Cyanogen is well known for donating, as is kingklick" we know cyan does but prove king does if not take the statement out
If King put in the same amount of effort HazzBazz put in to creating this thread/writing that ever so long first post, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But really, did we need another thread on this topic ? I lost track but theres been atleast 10+ threads discussing this and all resulting in a lock/user under investigation.
See guys no one from cm contributors told anyone bout banning kk but yes every one was angry that he never gave credit to anyone. We told him a hundred time already to give credit. I don't know if bbannin does justice here but still he violated a lot of rules. He never released his kernel source. Never gave credits for others hard work. Bout drizzy he got banned for scamming a user. It's not winrar but winzip Get ur facts right. We r talking bout crediting the work of the community. If u do something spending day n night on expecting nothing but some respect or credit for ur work u get angry in ur language doing 1 month job n not getting paid. I would recommend u all try contributing before writing such justifications n flames n more. So kingklick was wrong n given many warnings before being banned. He was not a bad dev or something but as I told u reward for a contributor is credits. Bout donating I guess from tomorrow I'll start packaging cm froyo nightlys change the name of the Rom post it n start asking for donations. I'll even put some unicorns n ponies in it for u guys so it ismagical. N if u thing stuff can be fixed without the source u r wrong. For fixing 99% percent of stuff u need to know how to work with source n compile. Rest 1% are silver by pushing files. And again no one from cm asked any mod to ban him. It was their internal decision. There was no influence whatsoever
And one more thing. U all remember Eugene whom u all made run away from magic n dream. He even caught kingklick using his work by adding a coded name oc the Rom that clearly said Eugene n this made king cry. He started accepting he used Eugene work then more proofs came in of he just changing build.prop n posting as his
Hey guys seriously, i spent like all weekend making a site for you to help hax your phones. bandwidth is expensive, so please donate to me!!!!!!! if you like all the work i put into this. you can check my site out at: http://forum.xda-developers.com and if it helps you out, please buy my a nexus. thanks and i'm still here
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Hey guys seriously, i spent like all weekend making a site for you to help hax your phones. bandwidth is expensive, so please donate to me!!!!!!! if you like all the work i put into this. you can check my site out at: http://forum.xda-developers.com and if it helps you out, please buy my a nexus. thanks and i'm still here
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I lawl'd.
I don't have enough money for my family, but you can have some. Where's your donate link you hard worker?
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Hey guys seriously, i spent like all weekend making a site for you to help hax your phones. bandwidth is expensive, so please donate to me!!!!!!! if you like all the work i put into this. you can check my site out at: http://forum.xda-developers.com and if it helps you out, please buy my a nexus. thanks and i'm still here
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Damn man, that site is stupid fast
Im poor and living on the streets but i cant imagine how much work it must've been. Im donating to u
AnderWeb said:
The problem is NOT just using other people work with/without permission...
The problem is cheating the users to get more donations:
Example:
-DevA: Oh, i've been 3 nights compiling the code for you all!!!!
-Users: Ohhh, thankyou, gonna donate for your hard work!!!
-DevA: Ok, here you have the link (and the download is from DevB work with a little text-editor touch-up).
That's not the way of doing things (imho)
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Kingklick developed a fanbase. If they donated is that a crime? He didn't hold for ransom, he just released work without due credit, perhaps mostly someone else's work (havent seen evidence) and hey I put a paper out last term without my complete bibliography done because I was so excited to get it out and I was going away for a week...I finished it off over the break and put it out when I was back, funny that didn't start a war on the internet.
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sorry but no. the proper way is
devA: "i took all of jubeh's work and 'optimized a text file' and uploaded it, pretty awesome right?"
you: "cool story bro"
devA: "i need a new phone"
you: "im poor but wth if you keep not making your own work and ask for donations"
devA: "ya rly"
you: "maybe i should've donated to the guy that made this all and not the one that file pushed the wifi files over... =("
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I like how you're not using any form of personal attack in discussing this issue...give me an example of when kingklick asked asked for donations...theyre just appreciated. And hell did Jubreh give credit to ALL the people who helped him...Linus Torvalds etc? No, so we are all in part imperfect for not giving 'full credit'...call me anal or not.
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If King put in the same amount of effort HazzBazz put in to creating this thread/writing that ever so long first post, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
But really, did we need another thread on this topic ? I lost track but theres been atleast 10+ threads discussing this and all resulting in a lock/user under investigation.
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None of them were philosophical...Ive just finished my second year on joint honours in Philosophy so I find it interesting...and it's not exactly an effort to pile out this when I did it all through term time anyway.
charnsingh_online said:
It's not winrar but winzip Get ur facts right.
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LOL I guess that makes me an invalid...nice
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We r talking bout crediting the work of the community. If u do something spending day n night on expecting nothing but some respect or credit for ur work u get angry in ur language doing 1 month job n not getting paid.
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well uhhhh no its not because you expect to be paid for your job, and in fact you have legal rights ...open source developing is COMPLETELY different
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I would recommend u all try contributing
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True yeah we should all try it...I'm hoping to do computer science post-grad if I get a first...but we dont all have the time or the expertise. I do some file pushing for myself, but I dont release it because if I did (despite getting my roms running fast and to my liking) I'd get slated by some snooty coders and fanboys.
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before writing such justifications n flames n more.
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nb. see lack of flaming...
charnsingh_online said:
It was their internal decision. There was no influence whatsoever
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Try twitter.com and look at a lot of members of Cyanogenmob's (still sticking by that, will use that in non-derogatory circumstances, still revelling in the typo!) tweets.
And hey if kingklick can deliver to the end users then there's no use slagging him off...youre equally insulting anyone that thought his roms were good. His slide rom has so much positive feedback for instance.
JAguirre1231 said:
I lawl'd.
I don't have enough money for my family, but you can have some. Where's your donate link you hard worker?
tl;dr
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Damn man, that site is stupid fast
Im poor and living on the streets but i cant imagine how much work it must've been. Im donating to u
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Yay mock donators now too.
HazzBazz, since you're gonna be like this here goes:
We all know the kangers. They're everywhere from your local grocer to the bus driver. Yes, kangers live peacefully among us. What you didn't know is that the real issue, for me at least, is that when I had my old Windows phone w/Android ported on it, we would bust our asses off (look at the Vogue thread) and people would micro-manage or "release" our work as theirs. Basically we would bust our asses off for free (never have I ever asked for a donation nor have I received a single penny for my time) and these people would zip it up and host it on their own site and build a fan base.
Ok so what right? well the people that post in those threads then have bugs to report. who do they report them too? the guy that said he made the ROM-- not us. he says "lolz i don't know guys" then we fix it then he gets thanked. then, he gets the donation. it pisses me off and I never got paid. imagine the unemployed devs out there.
You can at least see my point, right?
F'sure. Hence why I dont release anything. But to you guys kangers are pests. I do not doubt that kangers should be policed. However the credit issue is something which is neglected at a small level by everyone, so no one is perfect...and the great thing about a big site like xda is that most kangers on other websites have tiny fanbases.
I respect your work because of its own credence, and plagiarism will sure as hell piss anyone off who puts time into things, but we must remember that these are donations, given freely. I think we should do more to inform the 'end users' than ban and drive away devs who deliver what some users want...albeit with some undue credit (inform..allow the end users to make informed decisions).
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Kingklick developed a fanbase. If they donated is that a crime? He didn't hold for ransom, he just released work without due credit, perhaps mostly someone else's work (havent seen evidence)
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I will stop you there as the rest of what you say is boring.
Oh and use the search button or cache on google to find(as you call it) evidence
Have a Nice Day
If you like my work, buy bill gates a stuffed penguin.
Love it yeah. Your logical, fair and anticipatory argument leaves me speechless.
'Rest of what you say is boring'...darn I'm upset and speechless...that hurts. It's like Primary school bullies here, only fails.
With regard to 'haven't seen evidence'...I wasn't saying kingklick did or did not do that or this...Im simply saying I (personally) havent seen the evidence (not because it doesn't exist or does exist), but ultimately Kingklick was found guilty of using someone else's work without saying please and thankyou, and was hence driven away from us.
I will be hated on, but I don't care. Bring the King back. I love his Desire Sense UI ROM's.
I am starting this thread because I am sick and tired of losing developers for a phone that desperately needs them. First it was the WC and BC fiasco that damn near put us out and now some person with no sense of flashing and a lack of understanding when it comes to reading directions has driven away one of our most helpful and successful developers. (WHEN YOU ARE TOLD NOT TO FLASH UNLESS YOU FULLY AND COMPLETELY KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING THEN DONT FLIPPING FLASH IT)
To make it worth while I am starting a donation thread, to reward one of the people who have busted their ass (can I say that in the forums?) to help us and give us the phone we know the VIVID should be. I realize more then just PG has done a lot for us and I hope I am not offending anyone.
To put it simple I am starting out with a personal $100 donation. It is not much but it is what I have right now. If anyone wants to flame about what I am doing here do me a favor and don't. MODS, if this turns into a bashing war I would hope for some regulation and the ultimate closure of the thread if problems arise, I am not here to make enemies.
To quote DeamonFish on IRC: "BABY COME BACK! YOU CAN BLAME IT ALL ON ME..."
I'll give 10, I know it's measly, but its all I can give without my wife noticing ; ) saving for Ireland
At this point in time I cannot donate, but I hope to soon.
PirateGhost, please, keep doing what you do. I personally enjoy your ROMs, they're absolutely Amazing.
Thanks, and I hope you reconsider.
I will contribute $20 if he decides to come back. I was very close to flashing his Ice Cream Float before the drama happened, and I want to help showing that there are some people out there who do read, listen to directions, and THINK before going on a forum.
I was and am planning on donating to PG and some of the others as well. I know PG was responsible for a lot of the good work here. The irony is that his RUU might be the one thing that actually could have saved my phone, (At least may have been.) and now it's gone, along with another talented developer. Win, lose or draw, I will donate to this cause after I get some sleep and calm down a little bit.
What others did TO THEIR OWN PHONE and blamed PG was just plain stupid. I'll be donating.
There was a fair warning from the very beginning..
I'll donate. I just need to transfer some funds to my PayPal first.
PG and the other devs left for different reasons but I can pretty surely say that money is not the problem. They did all this developing from free will, not for donations. If PG does come back, he'll just get hit with the same bull**** he's been having to deal with these past few days. I'm just not sure raising money is the right way to go.
We (as in the Vivid forum) were not ready for an ICS release. Based on the huge number of people with bricked phones or bootloops, you can all see how many people jumped in without knowing ANYTHING and for lack of a better term, winged it...which led to their problems. These members didn't wait for an RUU, didn't read any of the stickys, didn't read any of the answers PG already posted in his 20 page threads and on top of that, a couple even went as far as to blame their own failures on, as well as make crazy accusations towards PG. For that, the rest of us suffer and that's how it is.
I love the support so far, please keep it going. Hopefully word gets out
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PG and the other devs left for different reasons but I can pretty surely say that money is not the problem. They did all this developing from free will, not for donations. If PG does come back, he'll just get hit with the same bull**** he's been having to deal with these past few days. I'm just not sure raising money is the right way to go.
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I totally agree, but I feel that pledging to donate to him is a show of good faith that there are a number of us who enjoy his roms respectfully. I think it's time for the minority of users with good experiences to overshadow the stupid noobs who have ruined it for the rest of us.
I would for sure donate to the cause...
I myself have been known to ask stupid noobish questions, so I can only imagine how many posts, repeat questions and PMs he must have gotten after releasing this. I was amazed how many people blamed him for their own mistakes, I too bricked my phone but never once blamed him as after I did so I read everything again and again and then realized what I did wrong.
I do hope he comes back after maybe taking a little time away, but there has to be a way for him to have some protection from people, their questions and comments...
P.S.- A semi unrelated but somewhat related statement (and I don't want to start a firestorm) but I do wish in some of these DEV threads the fluff and worthless posts (mine included sometimes) would be erased to keep threads small and more full of worth while information.
I think people got their phone bricked cuz this update was for ATT Stock not any other carriers. So if they tried to flash, it's their own risk. Not to blame all the good devs out there give us better phone than stock.
I would donate too.
I myself asked a question in that very thread that got closed. I wanted to know if that ROM was for my phone because I didn't find any reference to "Velocity". Although people say Vivid and Velocity are interchangeable, I thought I'd ask. And I'm glad I did, otherwise I would have a bricked phone too.
Just one or two IDIOTS spoiling the party for everyone.
PG - can you start a private share so that you can control who has access to your zips and we can still download them?
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Just one or two IDIOTS spoiling the party for everyone.
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And this is precisely why we can't have nice things.
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I leave for a few hours to go to dinner with some friends and this is what I come back to?
What happened?
I've read 99% of all the posts in the Vivid section, including PG's. Can't belive how much patience and time he put in those replies. I, for one I wouldn't even bother to answer most of them. Unfortunately people don't always appreciate it from obvious reasons (have no idea what developing is). Hope he comes back, it's nor fair to leave us for one or two mindless posters. Is not the noobs, or only the Vivid owners, is the whole Android community that needs him.
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I leave for a few hours to go to dinner with some friends and this is what I come back to?
What happened?
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That is where I was at last night... Some Galaxy nexus moron didnt read instructions and bricked his wifes Vivid from what I caught on to. Then he blames it on PG. See General thread First Rom Flash Rum Float Beta for exact details.
I agree with everyone here. When I was told HTC flashing on the vivid was different from other phones and older HTC phones I listened. I waited 48 hours to flash until I made sure I knew everything. Even then I sat in the IRC and continued asking new stupid questions. I was never chewed out, never driven off. I was answered, had my own laughs for stupidity and ended up with ICS.
When someone flashes a rom its like accepting a TOS agreement that comes with software. You agree that it is your own fault if the flash fails, especially if it was successful for so many others.
I am sure PG doesnt care about the money, but its an attempt to show him that just because some people are morons doesnt mean no one supports him and appreciates what he does.
I still haven't flashed ics and won't until I have the time to do it correctly and the knowledge. I have reread how to do it many times. I want to understand how it works before I put it on my phone. It would be awesome to have the newest thing but not at the expense of my phone for not following instructions. I wish I had time to develop but I work two jobs and have a baby coming in a few months.
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I'm not sure that he is taking donations at this point. I donated $10 earlier today and he refunded it?!?
I appreciate the gesture but I cannot bring myself back.
Jazz, I refunded your donation partly because of the way you handled yourself with WC, and partly because I want no expectations from any of this.
I refunded Uberamd because sending me a donation does not give you the right to say whatever you like. It's not a free pass to talk ****.
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